"Bob D." wrote in message
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You've raised many valid points. Here are a few more to consider:

Not wanting offshore boats to run unmuffled IS NOT synomynous with any
lack of appreciation for performance. I am sure that many of the posters
who resent people who run their boats without a diverter, enjoy an auto
or boat race as much as the next guy. The difference is:

1. It is an actual race vs someone showing off a toy.

2. They are making an informed decision and electing
to partake in the event versus someone forcing them
to listen to a bunch of noise.

As for ear splitting sound. Maybe maybe not. My criteria for annoyance
in this matter is obviously lower than yours, as I find it annoying long
before any physical damage to my hearing is done. While I can't speak
for everyone, for me it's often not just the noise, its the intent. If an
unmuffled boat idles by, I may not like it, but as you state, it will come
to pass. I have friendly acquaintances at a marina I frequent, two
couples, each with an offshore. They idle in and out quickly and at
reasonable times of day, no problem.

I thought about this a lot and it seems that its not the loud boats at all.
I appreciate the sound of performance engines and they are almost music to
my ears.
However I have a very low tolerance for rap music with the heavy bass, hate
it when
I'm at a light and the car behind me has a stereo that has so much bass it
makes my rear
view mirror vibrate. The sound of a Harley is irritating because if I had a
Corvette that hit
the same DB as those bikes I'd get a ticket but the Harleys are un touched,
not to mention
the little Japanese cars that now have more exhaust than engine.
What we are complaining about are people who are rude and have no common
curtsey for others.
Not sure what can be done.... Yeah you can pass laws for noise, get them to
enforce it but then
you have a bigger problem with the government.
Performance boats are not the problem. if I came home from fishing at 3 in
the morning and decided
to rinse my 125 outboard before I went to bed I'm sure the neighbors would
think it was just as loud as
what you are complaining about. Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.
Remember you cannot legislate morality or common sense. Less Government is
better government.

"JGK" wrote in message
...

Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.

But GENERALLY speaking, certain kinds of people seem to get their hands on
certain kinds of toys, and aren't smart or considerate enough to use them
without driving others crazy. So, the two things (people and toys) can't
really be separated.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"JGK" wrote in message
...

Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.

But GENERALLY speaking, certain kinds of people seem to get their hands on
certain kinds of toys, and aren't smart or considerate enough to use them
without driving others crazy. So, the two things (people and toys) can't
really be separated.

Around these parts, we call them "penis boats", because they are
nothing more than a phallic symbol for those lacking in that
department, UNLESS you actually race boats, different story all
together. But, if you just generally go to where the crowds are, and
make noise, etc., then yes, it's a substitute for a real penis. You
know who you are...

On 6 Aug 2004 04:44:47 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"JGK" wrote in message
...

Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.

But GENERALLY speaking, certain kinds of people seem to get their hands on
certain kinds of toys, and aren't smart or considerate enough to use them
without driving others crazy. So, the two things (people and toys) can't
really be separated.

Around these parts, we call them "penis boats", because they are
nothing more than a phallic symbol for those lacking in that
department, UNLESS you actually race boats, different story all
together. But, if you just generally go to where the crowds are, and
make noise, etc., then yes, it's a substitute for a real penis. You
know who you are...


You really need to get a clue, since you obviously know nothing about
what you're talking about.

Dave

Dave Hall wrote:
On 6 Aug 2004 04:44:47 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"JGK" wrote in message
...

Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.

But GENERALLY speaking, certain kinds of people seem to get their hands on
certain kinds of toys, and aren't smart or considerate enough to use them
without driving others crazy. So, the two things (people and toys) can't
really be separated.

Around these parts, we call them "penis boats", because they are
nothing more than a phallic symbol for those lacking in that
department, UNLESS you actually race boats, different story all
together. But, if you just generally go to where the crowds are, and
make noise, etc., then yes, it's a substitute for a real penis. You
know who you are...


You really need to get a clue, since you obviously know nothing about
what you're talking about.

Dave

Oh, puh-lease, Dave. Buy a clue about something. Owners of superloud
"pleasure boats" are desperately trying to demonstrate their "manhood"
to all, just like the owenrs of superloud cars with "through" exhausts,
or overage teeny-boppers with "throbbing" bass speakers and huge amps
powering their car stereos.

There's very little more annoying out on the Bay than trying to enjoy a
relazing afternoon while penis boats go flying by at 60-80mph (and
usually on their way to nowhere) with roaring, unmuffled exhausts and
some overly sunburned type A asshole at the helm, hoping everyone
notices. The usual comments are..."hmmm...any logs in the water out
there he might hit?"



--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:24:51 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On 6 Aug 2004 04:44:47 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"JGK" wrote in message
...

Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.

But GENERALLY speaking, certain kinds of people seem to get their hands on
certain kinds of toys, and aren't smart or considerate enough to use them
without driving others crazy. So, the two things (people and toys) can't
really be separated.

Around these parts, we call them "penis boats", because they are
nothing more than a phallic symbol for those lacking in that
department, UNLESS you actually race boats, different story all
together. But, if you just generally go to where the crowds are, and
make noise, etc., then yes, it's a substitute for a real penis. You
know who you are...


You really need to get a clue, since you obviously know nothing about
what you're talking about.

Dave

Oh, puh-lease, Dave. Buy a clue about something. Owners of superloud
"pleasure boats" are desperately trying to demonstrate their "manhood"
to all, just like the owenrs of superloud cars with "through" exhausts,
or overage teeny-boppers with "throbbing" bass speakers and huge amps
powering their car stereos.

There's very little more annoying out on the Bay than trying to enjoy a
relazing afternoon while penis boats go flying by at 60-80mph (and
usually on their way to nowhere) with roaring, unmuffled exhausts and
some overly sunburned type A asshole at the helm, hoping everyone
notices. The usual comments are..."hmmm...any logs in the water out
there he might hit?"

Gee, you don't stereotype too much do you? Like I said before, you
obviously know little bout the sport or you wouldn't make silly claims
like that.....


Dave

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dave Hall wrote:
On 6 Aug 2004 04:44:47 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"JGK" wrote in message
...

Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.

But GENERALLY speaking, certain kinds of people seem to get their hands
on
certain kinds of toys, and aren't smart or considerate enough to use
them
without driving others crazy. So, the two things (people and toys)
can't
really be separated.

Around these parts, we call them "penis boats", because they are
nothing more than a phallic symbol for those lacking in that
department, UNLESS you actually race boats, different story all
together. But, if you just generally go to where the crowds are, and
make noise, etc., then yes, it's a substitute for a real penis. You
know who you are...


You really need to get a clue, since you obviously know nothing about
what you're talking about.

Dave

Oh, puh-lease, Dave. Buy a clue about something. Owners of superloud
"pleasure boats" are desperately trying to demonstrate their "manhood"
to all, just like the owenrs of superloud cars with "through" exhausts,
or overage teeny-boppers with "throbbing" bass speakers and huge amps
powering their car stereos.

There's very little more annoying out on the Bay than trying to enjoy a
relazing afternoon while penis boats go flying by at 60-80mph (and
usually on their way to nowhere) with roaring, unmuffled exhausts and
some overly sunburned type A asshole at the helm, hoping everyone
notices. The usual comments are..."hmmm...any logs in the water out
there he might hit?"



It must be snowing in Hell.....I totally agree with you and basskisser.

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:24:51 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


Oh, puh-lease, Dave. Buy a clue about something. Owners of superloud
"pleasure boats" are desperately trying to demonstrate their "manhood"
to all, just like the owenrs of superloud cars with "through" exhausts,
or overage teeny-boppers with "throbbing" bass speakers and huge amps
powering their car stereos.

Again you prove yourself and idiot, and show once again you know
nothing about boating.

There's very little more annoying out on the Bay than trying to enjoy a
relazing afternoon while penis boats go flying by at 60-80mph (and
usually on their way to nowhere) with roaring, unmuffled exhausts and
some overly sunburned type A asshole at the helm, hoping everyone
notices. The usual comments are..."hmmm...any logs in the water out
there he might hit?"

LOL! You sure are a hoot man...keep up the good work!

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On 6 Aug 2004 04:44:47 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"JGK" wrote in message
...

Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.

But GENERALLY speaking, certain kinds of people seem to get their hands
on
certain kinds of toys, and aren't smart or considerate enough to use
them
without driving others crazy. So, the two things (people and toys)
can't
really be separated.

Around these parts, we call them "penis boats", because they are
nothing more than a phallic symbol for those lacking in that
department, UNLESS you actually race boats, different story all
together. But, if you just generally go to where the crowds are, and
make noise, etc., then yes, it's a substitute for a real penis. You
know who you are...


You really need to get a clue, since you obviously know nothing about
what you're talking about.

Dave

This will require focusing on the numbers in the paragraph.
Imagine a body of water. It's between 50 and 200 feet deep everywhere, 4
miles wide, and the water's flat as a pancake with no wind. Imagine that it
has an East side and a West side. For whatever reason, the fishing's
terrific on the East side along the shore. There are 20 boats anchored or
drifting in a zone from the shore to a half mile out. Not a sound. A penis
boat is flying back and forth within 1/4 mile of those boats, over and over
again, when it could be doing its thing on the opposite side of the body of
water. Forget the wake. Pretend it does not exist. Focus on the noise.

This is NOT what you like to call a "straw man". It's real. Why does the
owner of the penis boat not understand the situation?

If 10 of us had driveways right next to our neighbors' bedroom windows, and
we all wanted to operate table saws on Saturday afternoon, how many of us
might ask our neighbors if anyone's taking a nap before turning on the saws?

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:02:12 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On 6 Aug 2004 04:44:47 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"JGK" wrote in message
...

Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.

But GENERALLY speaking, certain kinds of people seem to get their hands
on
certain kinds of toys, and aren't smart or considerate enough to use
them
without driving others crazy. So, the two things (people and toys)
can't
really be separated.

Around these parts, we call them "penis boats", because they are
nothing more than a phallic symbol for those lacking in that
department, UNLESS you actually race boats, different story all
together. But, if you just generally go to where the crowds are, and
make noise, etc., then yes, it's a substitute for a real penis. You
know who you are...


You really need to get a clue, since you obviously know nothing about
what you're talking about.

Dave

This will require focusing on the numbers in the paragraph.
Imagine a body of water. It's between 50 and 200 feet deep everywhere, 4
miles wide, and the water's flat as a pancake with no wind. Imagine that it
has an East side and a West side. For whatever reason, the fishing's
terrific on the East side along the shore. There are 20 boats anchored or
drifting in a zone from the shore to a half mile out. Not a sound. A penis
boat is flying back and forth within 1/4 mile of those boats, over and over
again, when it could be doing its thing on the opposite side of the body of
water. Forget the wake. Pretend it does not exist. Focus on the noise.

This is NOT what you like to call a "straw man".

It's a perfect example of a strawman. It does not reflect reality.

It's real.

Assuming that you're 100% factual, and have not injected any bias or
prejudice into your "strawman", the fact that ONE guy acts like an
idiot does not translate to the whole sport being subject to the same
prejudice.


Why does the
owner of the penis boat not understand the situation?

You are projecting the actions of jetski's onto those of performance
boat operators. Guys who spend $30k a piece on a custom set of big
block engines, $800 a piece on custom stainless props, and over $100K
total in the rest of the boat do not do that so that they can run back
and forth in the same little 1/4 mile stretch of water. I know I
wouldn't (and don't). It makes no sense.

Dave