Jesus....some of you so called "boaters"....
A boat needs to have a nice big ass fire breathing big block in it to even
be CALLED a boat! If you all don't like the sound, I suggest you crawl
aboard a sail-bote and leave the water to the rest of us...lol!
I've owned many different boats and with the exception of one (my first) all
with big blocks, all with open exhaust....the way God intended.
The sound is good, and manly men appreciate this. Girly men don't...it is
as simple as that. What....you'd put a muffler on a race car? You guys
want to hear loud? Go to some F1 races and hear those beautiful V10s
screaming at 18,000 rpm. Or go to some Top Fuel/Funny Car races. Loud
exhaust = good fun. But yes, it is up to the owner to have consideration
for other more "sensitive" types, of course. No need to blow the gel-coat
off someone else whilst idling thru the marinas.



"Jim Brinson" wrote in message
...
Those "dumb boats" most likely are illegal. Section 44 of the NYS
Navigation Law appears to restrict the type of operation you are
complaining about.
Of course having a law and enforcing that law are two different animals.
Worse, I never found a significant difference in performance between the
through transom setups and those that exhausted through the outdrive.
If you are talking about a thoroughly tuned racing setup then, sure you
will have a performance advantage with reduced exhaust pressure. But the
average consumer boat? Naw - its just the "look at me" syndrome that
****es people off rather than impressing them.
Good luck and good boating,
Jim


Doug Kanter wrote:
"Greg" wrote in message
...

I do agree these folks may be calling undue attention to boats. It may
be

just

a matter of time before we are all running air pumps and catalytic

converters.


I brought up the subject because after being a chauffeur for my 15 yr
old
son and his friends for most of the day, I ran out of time to get the
boat
in the water. So, I meandered down to the inlet where Irondequoit Bay
meets
Lake Ontario. Every 30 seconds, one of these needle-dick boats came
blarping
through the inlet. Even at idle speed, it completely drowned out ALL
other
sound. I couldn't hear the guy standing 10 feet away from me, who was
yelling about why these dumb boats aren't illegal.

LOL bajaman.....I was thinking pretty much what you said but didn't have the
heart to put it quite like you did. Can't say I agree more.

I've never owned a boat w/ anything smaller than a 502. Don't see that
changing in my lifetime either. But then again, I intend to live my life to
the fullest too and not watch it go buy.

Buck
"bajaman" wrote in message
nk.net...
Jesus....some of you so called "boaters"....
A boat needs to have a nice big ass fire breathing big block in it to even
be CALLED a boat! If you all don't like the sound, I suggest you crawl
aboard a sail-bote and leave the water to the rest of us...lol!
I've owned many different boats and with the exception of one (my first)
all
with big blocks, all with open exhaust....the way God intended.
The sound is good, and manly men appreciate this. Girly men don't...it is
as simple as that. What....you'd put a muffler on a race car? You guys
want to hear loud? Go to some F1 races and hear those beautiful V10s
screaming at 18,000 rpm. Or go to some Top Fuel/Funny Car races. Loud
exhaust = good fun. But yes, it is up to the owner to have consideration
for other more "sensitive" types, of course. No need to blow the gel-coat
off someone else whilst idling thru the marinas.



"Jim Brinson" wrote in message
...
Those "dumb boats" most likely are illegal. Section 44 of the NYS
Navigation Law appears to restrict the type of operation you are
complaining about.
Of course having a law and enforcing that law are two different animals.
Worse, I never found a significant difference in performance between the
through transom setups and those that exhausted through the outdrive.
If you are talking about a thoroughly tuned racing setup then, sure you
will have a performance advantage with reduced exhaust pressure. But the
average consumer boat? Naw - its just the "look at me" syndrome that
****es people off rather than impressing them.
Good luck and good boating,
Jim


Doug Kanter wrote:
"Greg" wrote in message
...

I do agree these folks may be calling undue attention to boats. It may
be

just

a matter of time before we are all running air pumps and catalytic

converters.


I brought up the subject because after being a chauffeur for my 15 yr
old
son and his friends for most of the day, I ran out of time to get the
boat
in the water. So, I meandered down to the inlet where Irondequoit Bay
meets
Lake Ontario. Every 30 seconds, one of these needle-dick boats came
blarping
through the inlet. Even at idle speed, it completely drowned out ALL
other
sound. I couldn't hear the guy standing 10 feet away from me, who was
yelling about why these dumb boats aren't illegal.

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:06:56 -0500, "buck183"
wrote:

I've never owned a boat w/ anything smaller than a 502. Don't see that
changing in my lifetime either. But then again, I intend to live my life to
the fullest too and not watch it go buy.

==================================

You need to find another way to stoke your ego. Ever thought about
community service?

Well Buck, as you can see we are in the minority in our opinions but WE know
what we like and have bought what we want. You and I both know that most of
the namby-pambys whining here secretly wish they had what we have. I
suspect most of them are the types that let their wives run their lives,
make their decisions for them....lol! And yes, they are the kind of guys
that have always not got what they want, likely are totally politically
correct, drive 55 on the highway to save gas....in other words.....BORING!
But the world needs those guys too, and to each his own I guess.

Bajaman


"buck183" wrote in message
...
LOL bajaman.....I was thinking pretty much what you said but didn't have
the
heart to put it quite like you did. Can't say I agree more.

I've never owned a boat w/ anything smaller than a 502. Don't see that
changing in my lifetime either. But then again, I intend to live my life
to
the fullest too and not watch it go buy.

Buck
"bajaman" wrote in message
nk.net...
Jesus....some of you so called "boaters"....
A boat needs to have a nice big ass fire breathing big block in it to
even
be CALLED a boat! If you all don't like the sound, I suggest you crawl
aboard a sail-bote and leave the water to the rest of us...lol!
I've owned many different boats and with the exception of one (my first)
all
with big blocks, all with open exhaust....the way God intended.
The sound is good, and manly men appreciate this. Girly men don't...it
is
as simple as that. What....you'd put a muffler on a race car? You guys
want to hear loud? Go to some F1 races and hear those beautiful V10s
screaming at 18,000 rpm. Or go to some Top Fuel/Funny Car races. Loud
exhaust = good fun. But yes, it is up to the owner to have
consideration
for other more "sensitive" types, of course. No need to blow the
gel-coat
off someone else whilst idling thru the marinas.



"Jim Brinson" wrote in message
...
Those "dumb boats" most likely are illegal. Section 44 of the NYS
Navigation Law appears to restrict the type of operation you are
complaining about.
Of course having a law and enforcing that law are two different
animals.
Worse, I never found a significant difference in performance between
the
through transom setups and those that exhausted through the outdrive.
If you are talking about a thoroughly tuned racing setup then, sure
you
will have a performance advantage with reduced exhaust pressure. But
the
average consumer boat? Naw - its just the "look at me" syndrome that
****es people off rather than impressing them.
Good luck and good boating,
Jim


Doug Kanter wrote:
"Greg" wrote in message
...

I do agree these folks may be calling undue attention to boats. It
may
be

just

a matter of time before we are all running air pumps and catalytic

converters.


I brought up the subject because after being a chauffeur for my 15
yr
old
son and his friends for most of the day, I ran out of time to get
the
boat
in the water. So, I meandered down to the inlet where Irondequoit
Bay
meets
Lake Ontario. Every 30 seconds, one of these needle-dick boats came
blarping
through the inlet. Even at idle speed, it completely drowned out ALL
other
sound. I couldn't hear the guy standing 10 feet away from me, who
was
yelling about why these dumb boats aren't illegal.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:42:56 GMT, "bajaman"
wrote:

You and I both know that most of
the namby-pambys whining here secretly wish they had what we have.

================================

Naaah. I have no problem with going fast, I just don't feel the need
to make a lot of noise and annoy people while I'm doing it. You
wouldn't either if your sense of self worth and self esteem were a
little higher. Little kids like to make a lot of noise because they
haven't yet found any positive ways of drawing attention to
themselves. Take your boat offshore and make all the noise you want.
That's where it was designed to run.

Good points bajaman.

Something tells me the majority of the complainers were 4.0 students in
school. I bet their rooms were spotless with everything in it's place.
They probably wear suits to work and drive mini vans too. LOL

One good thing has come from this thread though.....................AT LEAST
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BOATS!!!!!

Buck
"bajaman" wrote in message
ink.net...
Well Buck, as you can see we are in the minority in our opinions but WE
know
what we like and have bought what we want. You and I both know that most
of
the namby-pambys whining here secretly wish they had what we have. I
suspect most of them are the types that let their wives run their lives,
make their decisions for them....lol! And yes, they are the kind of guys
that have always not got what they want, likely are totally politically
correct, drive 55 on the highway to save gas....in other words.....BORING!
But the world needs those guys too, and to each his own I guess.

Bajaman


"buck183" wrote in message
...
LOL bajaman.....I was thinking pretty much what you said but didn't have
the
heart to put it quite like you did. Can't say I agree more.

I've never owned a boat w/ anything smaller than a 502. Don't see that
changing in my lifetime either. But then again, I intend to live my
life
to
the fullest too and not watch it go buy.

Buck
"bajaman" wrote in message
nk.net...
Jesus....some of you so called "boaters"....
A boat needs to have a nice big ass fire breathing big block in it to
even
be CALLED a boat! If you all don't like the sound, I suggest you
crawl
aboard a sail-bote and leave the water to the rest of us...lol!
I've owned many different boats and with the exception of one (my
first)
all
with big blocks, all with open exhaust....the way God intended.
The sound is good, and manly men appreciate this. Girly men
don't...it
is
as simple as that. What....you'd put a muffler on a race car? You
guys
want to hear loud? Go to some F1 races and hear those beautiful V10s
screaming at 18,000 rpm. Or go to some Top Fuel/Funny Car races.
Loud
exhaust = good fun. But yes, it is up to the owner to have
consideration
for other more "sensitive" types, of course. No need to blow the
gel-coat
off someone else whilst idling thru the marinas.



"Jim Brinson" wrote in message
...
Those "dumb boats" most likely are illegal. Section 44 of the NYS
Navigation Law appears to restrict the type of operation you are
complaining about.
Of course having a law and enforcing that law are two different
animals.
Worse, I never found a significant difference in performance between
the
through transom setups and those that exhausted through the
outdrive.
If you are talking about a thoroughly tuned racing setup then, sure
you
will have a performance advantage with reduced exhaust pressure. But
the
average consumer boat? Naw - its just the "look at me" syndrome
that
****es people off rather than impressing them.
Good luck and good boating,
Jim


Doug Kanter wrote:
"Greg" wrote in message
...

I do agree these folks may be calling undue attention to boats. It
may
be

just

a matter of time before we are all running air pumps and catalytic

converters.


I brought up the subject because after being a chauffeur for my 15
yr
old
son and his friends for most of the day, I ran out of time to get
the
boat
in the water. So, I meandered down to the inlet where Irondequoit
Bay
meets
Lake Ontario. Every 30 seconds, one of these needle-dick boats
came
blarping
through the inlet. Even at idle speed, it completely drowned out
ALL
other
sound. I couldn't hear the guy standing 10 feet away from me, who
was
yelling about why these dumb boats aren't illegal.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 03:20:26 GMT, "bajaman"
wrote:

No need to blow the gel-coat
off someone else whilst idling thru the marinas.

=========================

Or by my house. One of my neighbors just installed a silent choice
system on his Scarab after a visit from the local PD. Everyone on the
canal staged a little revolt and decided we'd had enough. There are
noise laws on the books most places, the problem is getting them
enforced.

bajaman wrote:
Jesus....some of you so called "boaters"....
A boat needs to have a nice big ass fire breathing big block in it to even
be CALLED a boat! If you all don't like the sound, I suggest you crawl
aboard a sail-bote and leave the water to the rest of us...lol!
I've owned many different boats and with the exception of one (my first) all
with big blocks, all with open exhaust....the way God intended.
The sound is good, and manly men appreciate this. Girly men don't...it is
as simple as that. What....you'd put a muffler on a race car? You guys
want to hear loud? Go to some F1 races and hear those beautiful V10s
screaming at 18,000 rpm. Or go to some Top Fuel/Funny Car races. Loud
exhaust = good fun. But yes, it is up to the owner to have consideration
for other more "sensitive" types, of course. No need to blow the gel-coat
off someone else whilst idling thru the marinas.


A muffler on a race car? I think not; the noise is part of the
excitement. My company used to supply many of the pickup boats when the
unlimited hydros came to town. The noise was deafening! But then came
the turbines - much faster - Miss Budweiser blew by the old piston
boats. But it just wasn't the same. The noise added to the experience.
But that's racing - not pleasure boating.
And the pleasure that you derive with your increased db levels comes at
the expense of annoying most other boaters.
I sold many performance boats to people with fat wallets and the Mr. T
starter kits. So yes, I contributed to the problem. The waste of
resources (80 gph) and the intrusion on other boaters eventually
bothered me to the point that I could no longer effectively sell this
type of boat.
If it is a sign of manliness to not care about other people - then I
guess I just joined the ranks of the girly men. Sheesh! Such arrogance.

Good luck and good boating,
Jim

Jim Brinson wrote:

bajaman wrote:
Jesus....some of you so called "boaters"....
A boat needs to have a nice big ass fire breathing big block in it to even
be CALLED a boat! If you all don't like the sound, I suggest you crawl
aboard a sail-bote and leave the water to the rest of us...lol!
I've owned many different boats and with the exception of one (my first) all
with big blocks, all with open exhaust....the way God intended.
The sound is good, and manly men appreciate this. Girly men don't...it is
as simple as that. What....you'd put a muffler on a race car? You guys
want to hear loud? Go to some F1 races and hear those beautiful V10s
screaming at 18,000 rpm. Or go to some Top Fuel/Funny Car races. Loud
exhaust = good fun. But yes, it is up to the owner to have consideration
for other more "sensitive" types, of course. No need to blow the gel-coat
off someone else whilst idling thru the marinas.


A muffler on a race car? I think not; the noise is part of the
excitement. My company used to supply many of the pickup boats when the
unlimited hydros came to town. The noise was deafening! But then came
the turbines - much faster - Miss Budweiser blew by the old piston
boats. But it just wasn't the same. The noise added to the experience.
But that's racing - not pleasure boating.
And the pleasure that you derive with your increased db levels comes at
the expense of annoying most other boaters.
I sold many performance boats to people with fat wallets and the Mr. T
starter kits. So yes, I contributed to the problem. The waste of
resources (80 gph) and the intrusion on other boaters eventually
bothered me to the point that I could no longer effectively sell this
type of boat.
If it is a sign of manliness to not care about other people - then I
guess I just joined the ranks of the girly men. Sheesh! Such arrogance.

Good luck and good boating,
Jim


Sanctioned boat racing noise is one thing...it happens once in a while,
it's for entertainment value, those who are offended by it can do
something else somewhere else that day.. . but to have to hear the
dipsticks with the deliberately loud boats on a regular basis-blech.


--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Jim Brinson wrote:

bajaman wrote:
Jesus....some of you so called "boaters"....
A boat needs to have a nice big ass fire breathing big block in it to
even
be CALLED a boat! If you all don't like the sound, I suggest you crawl
aboard a sail-bote and leave the water to the rest of us...lol!
I've owned many different boats and with the exception of one (my
first) all
with big blocks, all with open exhaust....the way God intended.
The sound is good, and manly men appreciate this. Girly men don't...it
is
as simple as that. What....you'd put a muffler on a race car? You
guys
want to hear loud? Go to some F1 races and hear those beautiful V10s
screaming at 18,000 rpm. Or go to some Top Fuel/Funny Car races. Loud
exhaust = good fun. But yes, it is up to the owner to have
consideration
for other more "sensitive" types, of course. No need to blow the
gel-coat
off someone else whilst idling thru the marinas.


A muffler on a race car? I think not; the noise is part of the
excitement. My company used to supply many of the pickup boats when the
unlimited hydros came to town. The noise was deafening! But then came
the turbines - much faster - Miss Budweiser blew by the old piston
boats. But it just wasn't the same. The noise added to the experience.
But that's racing - not pleasure boating.
And the pleasure that you derive with your increased db levels comes at
the expense of annoying most other boaters.
I sold many performance boats to people with fat wallets and the Mr. T
starter kits. So yes, I contributed to the problem. The waste of
resources (80 gph) and the intrusion on other boaters eventually
bothered me to the point that I could no longer effectively sell this
type of boat.
If it is a sign of manliness to not care about other people - then I
guess I just joined the ranks of the girly men. Sheesh! Such arrogance.

Good luck and good boating,
Jim


Sanctioned boat racing noise is one thing...it happens once in a while,
it's for entertainment value, those who are offended by it can do
something else somewhere else that day.. . but to have to hear the
dipsticks with the deliberately loud boats on a regular basis-blech.

Fortunately, there are places like the Adirondacks. Eleven days....total
peace & quiet, no TV, no phones, 24x7 fishing, and NO LOUD BOATS.