"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"JGK" wrote in message
...

Its the people not the bots that are a
problem.

But GENERALLY speaking, certain kinds of people seem to get their hands on
certain kinds of toys, and aren't smart or considerate enough to use them
without driving others crazy. So, the two things (people and toys) can't
really be separated.

Around these parts, we call them "penis boats", because they are
nothing more than a phallic symbol for those lacking in that
department, UNLESS you actually race boats, different story all
together. But, if you just generally go to where the crowds are, and
make noise, etc., then yes, it's a substitute for a real penis. You
know who you are...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
Dave: No comments from the peanut gallery.

I'm using the term "speedboats" to describe boats which sound like they have
(and probably do have) a pair of 400+ cubic inch motors in the back? In
order to achieve their purpose (speed), is it absolutely necessary for them
to be as noisy as they are, or are they just designed that way, in the same
way some morons alter their motorcycles because "loud pipes save lives"?
And, when they're idling, why do they sound (and smell) as if the engines
are only firing on half their cylinders?

Well guys, there is quiet a bit of discussion on this thread. I'd like
to add that ulitmately it comes to personal freedom of the one vs.
personal freedom of the other. One finds it fun to roar around the
other finds it fun to listen to the sounds of nature.

Nobody is wrong but from my experience it is that the faster and more
powerized sport/toy/vessel will someday be stripped of its freedom
with overly harsh laws and regulations thus totally wrecking ALL fun.

If you can, then please do not annoy others as they team up and get
laws in place to end your hobby. Be kind and helpful, accept a small
limitation to your sport/fun before it will be taken away for good.
Dont annoy, hurt (yourself or others) and you will enjoy your sport
for much longer as you go annoticed and you can enjoy what you like.
By drawing negative attention to your hobby you will make it harder to
do what you like.

Often little things help. Slow down a little to reduce wake or noise
does make others feel like you try to make their life comfprtable and
they will have less sentiment against you, thus opposing YOUR sport
less.

I i.e. usually slow down when passing stopped vessels, although the
wake at slow speed is much bigger than my wake at WOT... people notice
that someone takes and effort...

Do what you can to keep your sport alive. Trust me on that: There are
already people working on regulations to keep your boat in your the
driveway. Dont give them the fuel they need to light the "Lets outlaw
[insert your sport here]" fire.

Matt

Matt Lang wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
Dave: No comments from the peanut gallery.

I'm using the term "speedboats" to describe boats which sound like they have
(and probably do have) a pair of 400+ cubic inch motors in the back? In
order to achieve their purpose (speed), is it absolutely necessary for them
to be as noisy as they are, or are they just designed that way, in the same
way some morons alter their motorcycles because "loud pipes save lives"?
And, when they're idling, why do they sound (and smell) as if the engines
are only firing on half their cylinders?

Well guys, there is quiet a bit of discussion on this thread. I'd like
to add that ulitmately it comes to personal freedom of the one vs.
personal freedom of the other. One finds it fun to roar around the
other finds it fun to listen to the sounds of nature.

Nobody is wrong but from my experience it is that the faster and more
powerized sport/toy/vessel will someday be stripped of its freedom
with overly harsh laws and regulations thus totally wrecking ALL fun.



"Wrong" is to disturb everyone else's peace so you can "enjoy" the noise
your penisboat makes.

There is no reason why these penisboats have to be so loud. They can be
muffled so they are not annoying, and they can be rigged with
pass-troughs for offshore use.

Harry Krause wrote in message ...
Matt Lang wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
Dave: No comments from the peanut gallery.

I'm using the term "speedboats" to describe boats which sound like they have
(and probably do have) a pair of 400+ cubic inch motors in the back? In
order to achieve their purpose (speed), is it absolutely necessary for them
to be as noisy as they are, or are they just designed that way, in the same
way some morons alter their motorcycles because "loud pipes save lives"?
And, when they're idling, why do they sound (and smell) as if the engines
are only firing on half their cylinders?

Well guys, there is quiet a bit of discussion on this thread. I'd like
to add that ulitmately it comes to personal freedom of the one vs.
personal freedom of the other. One finds it fun to roar around the
other finds it fun to listen to the sounds of nature.

Nobody is wrong but from my experience it is that the faster and more
powerized sport/toy/vessel will someday be stripped of its freedom
with overly harsh laws and regulations thus totally wrecking ALL fun.



"Wrong" is to disturb everyone else's peace so you can "enjoy" the noise
your penisboat makes.

There is no reason why these penisboats have to be so loud. They can be
muffled so they are not annoying, and they can be rigged with
pass-troughs for offshore use.


Yes correct. And if I would own one I would make sure I dont annoy
others too much as otherwise they will start imposing laws on me which
will prevent me from boating. It may take a few years but the most
powerized seems to always lose in these matters.

Its usually better to just give up a little bit then head for the all
out confrontation.

Matt

Harry Krause wrote:

Matt Lang wrote:


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...

Dave: No comments from the peanut gallery.

I'm using the term "speedboats" to describe boats which sound like they have
(and probably do have) a pair of 400+ cubic inch motors in the back? In
order to achieve their purpose (speed), is it absolutely necessary for them
to be as noisy as they are, or are they just designed that way, in the same
way some morons alter their motorcycles because "loud pipes save lives"?
And, when they're idling, why do they sound (and smell) as if the engines
are only firing on half their cylinders?

Well guys, there is quiet a bit of discussion on this thread. I'd like
to add that ulitmately it comes to personal freedom of the one vs.
personal freedom of the other. One finds it fun to roar around the
other finds it fun to listen to the sounds of nature.

Nobody is wrong but from my experience it is that the faster and more
powerized sport/toy/vessel will someday be stripped of its freedom
with overly harsh laws and regulations thus totally wrecking ALL fun.




"Wrong" is to disturb everyone else's peace so you can "enjoy" the noise
your penisboat makes.

There is no reason why these penisboats have to be so loud. They can be
muffled so they are not annoying, and they can be rigged with
pass-troughs for offshore use.


Only the classiest of these will understand. The new money will want
their redneck rights, screw everbody else. Then they wonder why what
goes around comes around when they get screwed.

Terry K

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:44:38 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


"Wrong" is to disturb everyone else's peace so you can "enjoy" the noise
your penisboat makes.

There is no reason why these penisboats have to be so loud. They can be
muffled so they are not annoying, and they can be rigged with
pass-troughs for offshore use.

Again you show your ignorance.

People spend thoudands of dollars on their engine, to tweak every bit
of power from them, and that includes a less restrictive exhaust.

But you would never know this, being the closest thing you ever get to
boating, is all your cut-n-post lies you spew here.

On 17 Aug 2004 12:33:02 -0700, (Matt Lang) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
Dave: No comments from the peanut gallery.

I'm using the term "speedboats" to describe boats which sound like they have
(and probably do have) a pair of 400+ cubic inch motors in the back? In
order to achieve their purpose (speed), is it absolutely necessary for them
to be as noisy as they are, or are they just designed that way, in the same
way some morons alter their motorcycles because "loud pipes save lives"?
And, when they're idling, why do they sound (and smell) as if the engines
are only firing on half their cylinders?

Well guys, there is quiet a bit of discussion on this thread. I'd like
to add that ulitmately it comes to personal freedom of the one vs.
personal freedom of the other. One finds it fun to roar around the
other finds it fun to listen to the sounds of nature.

Nobody is wrong but from my experience it is that the faster and more
powerized sport/toy/vessel will someday be stripped of its freedom
with overly harsh laws and regulations thus totally wrecking ALL fun.

If you can, then please do not annoy others as they team up and get
laws in place to end your hobby. Be kind and helpful, accept a small
limitation to your sport/fun before it will be taken away for good.
Dont annoy, hurt (yourself or others) and you will enjoy your sport
for much longer as you go annoticed and you can enjoy what you like.
By drawing negative attention to your hobby you will make it harder to
do what you like.

Often little things help. Slow down a little to reduce wake or noise
does make others feel like you try to make their life comfprtable and
they will have less sentiment against you, thus opposing YOUR sport
less.

I i.e. usually slow down when passing stopped vessels, although the
wake at slow speed is much bigger than my wake at WOT... people notice
that someone takes and effort...

Do what you can to keep your sport alive. Trust me on that: There are
already people working on regulations to keep your boat in your the
driveway. Dont give them the fuel they need to light the "Lets outlaw
[insert your sport here]" fire.


You are absolutely right. But it is a shame that people have to resort
to "hiding" their activities out of fear of them being "rubbed out"
by people who demand tolerance and respect for their activities, but
offer none in return.

Dave

Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On 17 Aug 2004 12:33:02 -0700, (Matt Lang) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
Dave: No comments from the peanut gallery.

I'm using the term "speedboats" to describe boats which sound like they have
(and probably do have) a pair of 400+ cubic inch motors in the back? In
order to achieve their purpose (speed), is it absolutely necessary for them
to be as noisy as they are, or are they just designed that way, in the same
way some morons alter their motorcycles because "loud pipes save lives"?
And, when they're idling, why do they sound (and smell) as if the engines
are only firing on half their cylinders?

Well guys, there is quiet a bit of discussion on this thread. I'd like
to add that ulitmately it comes to personal freedom of the one vs.
personal freedom of the other. One finds it fun to roar around the
other finds it fun to listen to the sounds of nature.

Nobody is wrong but from my experience it is that the faster and more
powerized sport/toy/vessel will someday be stripped of its freedom
with overly harsh laws and regulations thus totally wrecking ALL fun.

If you can, then please do not annoy others as they team up and get
laws in place to end your hobby. Be kind and helpful, accept a small
limitation to your sport/fun before it will be taken away for good.
Dont annoy, hurt (yourself or others) and you will enjoy your sport
for much longer as you go annoticed and you can enjoy what you like.
By drawing negative attention to your hobby you will make it harder to
do what you like.

Often little things help. Slow down a little to reduce wake or noise
does make others feel like you try to make their life comfprtable and
they will have less sentiment against you, thus opposing YOUR sport
less.

I i.e. usually slow down when passing stopped vessels, although the
wake at slow speed is much bigger than my wake at WOT... people notice
that someone takes and effort...

Do what you can to keep your sport alive. Trust me on that: There are
already people working on regulations to keep your boat in your the
driveway. Dont give them the fuel they need to light the "Lets outlaw
[insert your sport here]" fire.


You are absolutely right. But it is a shame that people have to resort
to "hiding" their activities out of fear of them being "rubbed out"
by people who demand tolerance and respect for their activities, but
offer none in return.

Dave

But, if you are blasting by someone who's activity is peace and quiet,
then YOU are being intolerant of THEIR activity.

Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On 17 Aug 2004 12:33:02 -0700, (Matt Lang) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
Dave: No comments from the peanut gallery.

I'm using the term "speedboats" to describe boats which sound like they have
(and probably do have) a pair of 400+ cubic inch motors in the back? In
order to achieve their purpose (speed), is it absolutely necessary for them
to be as noisy as they are, or are they just designed that way, in the same
way some morons alter their motorcycles because "loud pipes save lives"?
And, when they're idling, why do they sound (and smell) as if the engines
are only firing on half their cylinders?

Well guys, there is quiet a bit of discussion on this thread. I'd like
to add that ulitmately it comes to personal freedom of the one vs.
personal freedom of the other. One finds it fun to roar around the
other finds it fun to listen to the sounds of nature.

Nobody is wrong but from my experience it is that the faster and more
powerized sport/toy/vessel will someday be stripped of its freedom
with overly harsh laws and regulations thus totally wrecking ALL fun.

If you can, then please do not annoy others as they team up and get
laws in place to end your hobby. Be kind and helpful, accept a small
limitation to your sport/fun before it will be taken away for good.
Dont annoy, hurt (yourself or others) and you will enjoy your sport
for much longer as you go annoticed and you can enjoy what you like.
By drawing negative attention to your hobby you will make it harder to
do what you like.

Often little things help. Slow down a little to reduce wake or noise
does make others feel like you try to make their life comfprtable and
they will have less sentiment against you, thus opposing YOUR sport
less.

I i.e. usually slow down when passing stopped vessels, although the
wake at slow speed is much bigger than my wake at WOT... people notice
that someone takes and effort...

Do what you can to keep your sport alive. Trust me on that: There are
already people working on regulations to keep your boat in your the
driveway. Dont give them the fuel they need to light the "Lets outlaw
[insert your sport here]" fire.


You are absolutely right. But it is a shame that people have to resort
to "hiding" their activities out of fear of them being "rubbed out"
by people who demand tolerance and respect for their activities, but
offer none in return.

Dave


Well I wouldnt say hiding .. but often it happens that you have to
find new grounds where you can do your sport because others moved into
your area ...

Try to see their point and try to live with the others as peaceful as
possible ... maybe your boat is too load? It may not be and often
others are just unreasonable.... Still look at whats in for you in the
end.

Another example is people moving close to a shooting range and then
sue their a** off because now they feel endangered and dont like the
noise ... Guess who ends up packing up?

Often there may not be good solutions though

Matt