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OT BushCo lies about John Edwards
This contains out and out slander, lies, and flip flops from the White
House about John Edwards. Note that even a fellow republican wants the drivel from BushCo to stop. From the Progress Center: Oh, and Calif Bill, again, just like SFGate, it's not copyrighted, so don't ask to show it. Sen. John Edwards (D-NC) is scheduled to address the Democratic Convention tonight, bringing his "Two Americas" theme that propelled him to such a strong primary showing. While wealthy elites on Wall Street, well-paid pundits and the Bush White House try to deny the economic chasm that divides America, Edwards has given voice to millions of Americans left behind by the Bush administration's policies. As the Minneapolis Star-Tribune notes, Edwards has "blended tales of his working-class roots with passionate denunciations of 'two Americas' and a down-home brand of economic populism." With wages stagnating, few Americans feeling any tax relief, and the Bush administration pushing policies that would squeeze working America even more, Edwards' message appears to be resonating. And the only thing his critics seem to come up with is the fact that he was a trial lawyer – an attack that allows Edwards to talk about his experience representing average people against the corporate interests that fund the Bush campaign. CONSUMER CONFIDENCE SHOWS THE TWO AMERICAS: Slate's Daniel Gross puts some numbers behind Edwards' Two Americas theme. In the past, different income groups have generally trended the same direction in terms of consumer confidence. And if the economy were undergoing a broad-based expansion, if a rising tide were lifting all boats equally, you might expect that trend to continue. But under President Bush, that has changed. Today, the over-$50,000 and under-$50,000 groups are moving in opposite directions: between December 2003 and June 2004, confidence in the over-$50,000 set rose from 99.3 to 104.1. In the under-$50,000 set, it fell from 87.4 to 85.5." As Gross notes, "the growing pessimism of the poor and the growing optimism of the rich—suggest the economy's improvement isn't helping everyone." WHITE HOUSE ATTACKS INEFFECTIVE: The White House has unleashed a series of vicious attacks on Edwards for his experience representing average Americans in court. The problem with this tactic, however, is that Edwards can counter with all the stories of how he helped average people defend themselves against corporate abuse. As one Republican lawyer asked, "If the rap on Edwards is that he is the friend of personal-injury trial lawyers, where does this leave the Republican National Committee? Is the RNC the friend of the drunken driver?" EDWARDS' DEFINING MOMENT IS AN ASSET, NOT AN ALBATROSS: As the "trial lawyer" attacks continue, the Washington Monthly reports, "the defining case in Edwards' legal career" occurred in 1993, when a five-year-old girl "became caught in an uncovered drain so forcefully that the suction pulled out most of her intestines." Edwards filed suit on the Lakeys' behalf against Sta-Rite Industries, and soon discovered that 12 other children had suffered similar injuries from Sta-Rite drains. Attorneys "describe his handling of the case as a virtuoso example of a trial layer bringing a negligent corporation to heel." THE HYPOCRISY OF THE TRIAL LAWYER ATTACKS: The dirty little secret of the White House's trial lawyer attacks is that a cadre of key Republican Senators started their careers as trial lawyers. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, is a former trial lawyer. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) was a trial lawyer "in a state where juries have awarded numerous multimillion-dollar verdicts in plaintiffs' cases." And Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) said, "I have a number of trial lawyers that support me personally – they are friends of mine...I don't look at ATLA or trial lawyers as an enemy by any means." REPUBLICAN SENATOR DEMANDS WHITE HOUSE STOP ITS ATTACKS: Earlier this month, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a former trial lawyer, went on national television and told the White House to stop its baseless attacks on Edwards' legal career. Calling Edwards a "great guy," Graham told ABC's This Week on 7/11/04 that "people in my party beat on John Edwards for being a trial lawyer. As far as I know John made his money honestly. I used to represent people in courts in the south. So I wish we'd get off that." Two weeks later, Vice President Cheney said "Lindsey Graham is doing a great job for the people of South Carolina," though moments later he delivered another diatribe against lawyers. TRIAL LAWYER ATTACK WON'T FLY IN FLORIDA: The Gainsville, Florida Sun reports that the White House is trying to take its trial lawyer attacks to Florida, but may find some stiff resistance. While Gov. Jeb Bush has been outspoken in his criticism of the profession, promising ''to whack'' the trial lawyers, "even some Republicans say making trial lawyers the 'boogeymen' of this year's election may prove difficult." The leading GOP contender is former Bush Cabinet Secretary Mel Martinez, a successful trial lawyer who was president of the Academy of Florida Trial Lawyers. Similarly, the president of the state trial lawyers' association is a lifelong Republican, whose father once ran for governor. |
OT BushCo lies about John Edwards
Edwards managed to get through his entire speech without mentioning George Bush
by name. Raises the bar pretty high. Let's see if Kerry can also rise above attack politics here on out. If he does, the nation will notice the contrast when the R's use their convention to badmouth and smear Kerry and Edwards. The technique is likely to backfire on the side using it- if the other side doesn't reciprocate. If we're finally to the point where the electorate will respond to a positive message rather than to "my opponent sucks, my opponent sucks, my opponent sucks" hope may indeed be on the way. :-) |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Edwards managed to get through his entire speech without mentioning George Bush by name. Raises the bar pretty high. Let's see if Kerry can also rise above attack politics here on out. If he does, the nation will notice the contrast when the R's use their convention to badmouth and smear Kerry and Edwards. The technique is likely to backfire on the side using it- if the other side doesn't reciprocate. Giving your partisan crystal ball a go at it again. Too bad it is giving you false outlooks. Want to wager? |
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OT BushCo lies about John Edwards
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Edwards managed to get through his entire speech without mentioning George Bush by name. Raises the bar pretty high. When the bar is already on the floor it is not difficult to raise it. Let's see if Kerry can also rise above attack politics here on out. A political campaign for political office is by nature a fourm for attack politics. How else are you going to point out the other guys failings. If he does, the nation will notice the contrast when the R's use their convention to badmouth and smear Kerry and Edwards. The technique is likely to backfire on the side using it- if the other side doesn't reciprocate. It politics, stupid! If we're finally to the point where the electorate will respond to a positive message rather than to "my opponent sucks, my opponent sucks, my opponent sucks" hope may indeed be on the way. :-) And this is where Bush wins. Kerry has spent so many years in the US Senate and has done a damn thing but run his mouth. |
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Edwards managed to get through his entire speech without mentioning George Bush by name. Raises the bar pretty high. When the bar is already on the floor it is not difficult to raise it. Let's see if Kerry can also rise above attack politics here on out. A political campaign for political office is by nature a fourm for attack politics. How else are you going to point out the other guys failings. If he does, the nation will notice the contrast when the R's use their convention to badmouth and smear Kerry and Edwards. The technique is likely to backfire on the side using it- if the other side doesn't reciprocate. It politics, stupid! If we're finally to the point where the electorate will respond to a positive message rather than to "my opponent sucks, my opponent sucks, my opponent sucks" hope may indeed be on the way. :-) And this is where Bush wins. Kerry has spent so many years in the US Senate and has done a damn thing but run his mouth. 3 months of heroic service in Viet Nam....over 240 months of worthless flip flop service in the Senate. And now he says he will *define* himself tonight. I guess those 240 months in the Senate are not the way he wants to define himself. |
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Bert Robbins wrote:
If we're finally to the point where the electorate will respond to a positive message rather than to "my opponent sucks, my opponent sucks, my opponent sucks" hope may indeed be on the way. :-) And this is where Bush wins. Kerry has spent so many years in the US Senate and has done a damn thing but run his mouth. Bush has had nearly four years in office, and has come damned close to destroying the United States. We are far worse off as a nation now, compared to four years ago, in dozens of ways. We are NO SAFER now after spending hundreds of billions of dollars on Bush's war in Iraq or on his unPatriotic Act or on Homeland inSecurity. Under normal circumstances, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, but the fact that we haven't had another massive attack on US soil since 9-11 doesn't mean we can enjoy the pudding. Anyone with a brain knows there are thousands and thousands and thousands of terrorists out there who are NOT and never have been in Iraq. Did you follow the news on that incident with the Syrian musicians on the airliner? That was bad enough, but whar was really horrific is this: the various governmental agencies involved DID NOT KNOW the procedures for resolving and following up the visa issues involving possible terrorists, THREE YEARS AFTER 9-11. Shove THAT up your butt, Tom Ridge and George W. Bush. We pretty much shot our military wad in Iraq. We'll be there for a long time, and we don't have the resources available to chase al Qaeda or other organizations that want to destroy us. Additionally, we have taken no serious diplomatic steps to patch things up with our traditional allies. And, most important, the dumb****s currently controlling our government have made NO SERIOUS EFFORT to settle the dispute between the Israelis and the so-called Palestinians, and they haven't since they presumed office. Bush and his misAdministration are absolute, total, complete failures. They have done virutally nothing right in four years. But they sure are terrific at dividing Americans and forcing wedge issues, eh? George W. Bush is the dumbest foch to ever occupy the Oval Office, and possiblly the most dangerous. But not to terrorists. To Americans. If we don't get Bush out of there and replace him with someone with a working brain, we're doomed. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
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I want Carter back.
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Edwards managed to get through his entire speech without mentioning George Bush by name. Raises the bar pretty high. Let's see if Kerry can also rise above attack politics here on out. If he does, the nation will notice the contrast when the R's use their convention to badmouth and smear Kerry and Edwards. The technique is likely to backfire on the side using it- if the other side doesn't reciprocate. If we're finally to the point where the electorate will respond to a positive message rather than to "my opponent sucks, my opponent sucks, my opponent sucks" hope may indeed be on the way. :-) |
OT BushCo lies about John Edwards
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Edwards managed to get through his entire speech without mentioning George Bush by name. Raises the bar pretty high. When the bar is already on the floor it is not difficult to raise it. Let's see if Kerry can also rise above attack politics here on out. A political campaign for political office is by nature a fourm for attack politics. How else are you going to point out the other guys failings. If he does, the nation will notice the contrast when the R's use their convention to badmouth and smear Kerry and Edwards. The technique is likely to backfire on the side using it- if the other side doesn't reciprocate. It politics, stupid! If we're finally to the point where the electorate will respond to a positive message rather than to "my opponent sucks, my opponent sucks, my opponent sucks" hope may indeed be on the way. :-) And this is where Bush wins. Kerry has spent so many years in the US Senate and has done a damn thing but run his mouth. Really? Please provide complete details on his voting record, as well as his commentary on why he voted certain ways. You can probably just google for something like "kahngrechinal voating rekids". |
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Giving your partisan crystal ball a go at it again. Too bad it is giving
you false outlooks. Want to wager? Wager what? That GWB and or Cheney will smear Kerry/Edwards at the Republican convention? What stakes did you have in mind? Some Washington salmon vs whatever-it-is-you have back there? I'd be up for something along that line. |
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A political campaign for political office is by nature a fourm for attack
politics. How else are you going to point out the other guys failings. Good question. Here's the answer. In clean politics, your opponent isn't evil. He's merely misguided. His policies aren't dedicated on destroying the United States, making us a vassal of France, or handing the keys to the White House to Osama bin Ladin.....they're just not a effective as the policies you are going to implement in their stead. Members of the opposing political party aren't "traitors and socialists" or "war mongers and fascists", they're fellow Americans with a different, but legitimate point of view. It's OK to point out the deficiencies in the opponent's record. It's wrong when you assassinate character in the process. Good example (of dirty politics) is a radio ad running here recently. It's an anti-Bush ad. In this ad, they point out how George Bush campaigned for governor in Texas by stating he was in favor of a Patients Bill of Rights. When he took office, one of the first pieces of legislation he was asked to approve was a newly passed Patients' Bill of Rights, and he promptly vetoed it. When the legislature got together enough votes to override his veto, he then went around taking personal credit for the passage of the bill! While publicly crowing about how he had fulfilled his promise to create a Patient's Bill of Rights, he ordered the AG to go to the Supreme Court to see if it could be overturned. Assuming the facts they outline are true, the dirty little jab in this radio ad is an out-of-context quote by Bush at the very end, "That's the kind of leadership style I bring to Washington." I think the ad is sponsored by Americans for Family Values, or some such group, but we all know it's really the Democrats in disguise- just like Viet Nam Vets against Kerry is a Republican group. And this is where Bush wins. Kerry has spent so many years in the US Senate and has done a damn thing but run his mouth. Senators are generally unelectable. After long careers in the Senate, they have too long a voting record and even though times and conditions change from decade to decade, it's so elementary to pick out different positions a Senator adopts during his service and say, "See! He has a character flaw! In 1984, he voted against abortion rights, and in 1999 he voted for a woman's right to choose! He changes his mind (over 15 years)! We can't trust this guy to run anything except his mouth!" This Senator might have a chance. I think a lot of conservatives would be surprised to discover that outside of the Limbaugh and Hannity radio shows, somewhere around half the country thinks militant conservatives are FOS. It's been funny (sort of) watching this current group of clowns who lost the popular vote govern as if they had a landslide mandate. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Giving your partisan crystal ball a go at it again. Too bad it is giving you false outlooks. Want to wager? Wager what? That GWB and or Cheney will smear Kerry/Edwards at the Republican convention? What stakes did you have in mind? Some Washington salmon vs whatever-it-is-you have back there? I'd be up for something along that line. I don't think you'd want what passes for fish in the 'Cleveland' area! |
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I don't think you'd want what passes for fish in the 'Cleveland' area!
It might be novel to have food that glows in dark. |
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Gould you need to do some reading up on the campaigns in the early to middle
of the 19th century. The nastiness of today doesn't compare to then. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... A political campaign for political office is by nature a fourm for attack politics. How else are you going to point out the other guys failings. Good question. Here's the answer. In clean politics, your opponent isn't evil. He's merely misguided. His policies aren't dedicated on destroying the United States, making us a vassal of France, or handing the keys to the White House to Osama bin Ladin.....they're just not a effective as the policies you are going to implement in their stead. Members of the opposing political party aren't "traitors and socialists" or "war mongers and fascists", they're fellow Americans with a different, but legitimate point of view. It's OK to point out the deficiencies in the opponent's record. It's wrong when you assassinate character in the process. Good example (of dirty politics) is a radio ad running here recently. It's an anti-Bush ad. In this ad, they point out how George Bush campaigned for governor in Texas by stating he was in favor of a Patients Bill of Rights. When he took office, one of the first pieces of legislation he was asked to approve was a newly passed Patients' Bill of Rights, and he promptly vetoed it. When the legislature got together enough votes to override his veto, he then went around taking personal credit for the passage of the bill! While publicly crowing about how he had fulfilled his promise to create a Patient's Bill of Rights, he ordered the AG to go to the Supreme Court to see if it could be overturned. Assuming the facts they outline are true, the dirty little jab in this radio ad is an out-of-context quote by Bush at the very end, "That's the kind of leadership style I bring to Washington." I think the ad is sponsored by Americans for Family Values, or some such group, but we all know it's really the Democrats in disguise- just like Viet Nam Vets against Kerry is a Republican group. And this is where Bush wins. Kerry has spent so many years in the US Senate and has done a damn thing but run his mouth. Senators are generally unelectable. After long careers in the Senate, they have too long a voting record and even though times and conditions change from decade to decade, it's so elementary to pick out different positions a Senator adopts during his service and say, "See! He has a character flaw! In 1984, he voted against abortion rights, and in 1999 he voted for a woman's right to choose! He changes his mind (over 15 years)! We can't trust this guy to run anything except his mouth!" This Senator might have a chance. I think a lot of conservatives would be surprised to discover that outside of the Limbaugh and Hannity radio shows, somewhere around half the country thinks militant conservatives are FOS. It's been funny (sort of) watching this current group of clowns who lost the popular vote govern as if they had a landslide mandate. |
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Gould you need to do some reading up on the campaigns in the early to middle
of the 19th century. The nastiness of today doesn't compare to then. Why are conservatives always justifying something that is crooked or screwed up by pointing out something that is or was worse? |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Gould you need to do some reading up on the campaigns in the early to middle of the 19th century. The nastiness of today doesn't compare to then. Why are conservatives always justifying something that is crooked or screwed up by pointing out something that is or was worse? Conservatives? It's clear he was talking about the nastiness of the Democratic Party, and the Libs in this NG. Jack |
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Conservatives? It's clear he was talking about the nastiness of the
Democratic Party, and the Libs in this NG. Jack There are some so blinded and consumed by negativity they cannot see what is right before their eyes. It was absolutely obvious he was talking about: the campaigns in the early to middle of the 19th century. Why do conservatives so often look for any excuse to lash out with an insult like: It's clear he was talking about the nastiness of the Democratic Party, and the Libs in this NG. Were the "libs in this NG" involved in the campaigns in the early to mid 19th Century? If not, you just took a lame excuse for launching an insult and rode it all the way to Mars. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Conservatives? It's clear he was talking about the nastiness of the Democratic Party, and the Libs in this NG. Jack There are some so blinded and consumed by negativity they cannot see what is right before their eyes. It was absolutely obvious he was talking about: the campaigns in the early to middle of the 19th century. Why do conservatives so often look for any excuse to lash out with an insult like: It's clear he was talking about the nastiness of the Democratic Party, and the Libs in this NG. Because it is true. Just read the replies from Krause, jps, Kanter and Basskisser....they are filled with hatred and personal insults. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message om... "jim--" wrote in message ... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Edwards managed to get through his entire speech without mentioning George Bush by name. Raises the bar pretty high. Let's see if Kerry can also rise above attack politics here on out. If he does, the nation will notice the contrast when the R's use their convention to badmouth and smear Kerry and Edwards. The technique is likely to backfire on the side using it- if the other side doesn't reciprocate. Giving your partisan crystal ball a go at it again. Too bad it is giving you false outlooks. Want to wager? Absolutely!! I'd LOVE to wager that the Republicans will smear the Kerry/Edwards ticket at their convention. Just what would you like to wager? There was plenty of smearing of the Administration last night. So I guess Chuck has lost already. You can send the salmon (smoked and on ice) to me anytime Chuckster. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Conservatives? It's clear he was talking about the nastiness of the Democratic Party, and the Libs in this NG. Jack There are some so blinded and consumed by negativity they cannot see what is right before their eyes. It was absolutely obvious he was talking about: the campaigns in the early to middle of the 19th century. Why do conservatives so often look for any excuse to lash out with an insult like: It's clear he was talking about the nastiness of the Democratic Party, and the Libs in this NG. Were the "libs in this NG" involved in the campaigns in the early to mid 19th Century? If not, you just took a lame excuse for launching an insult and rode it all the way to Mars. Brushing all this aside for the moment, Mark Twain wrote an essay or two about campaign antics in his time. Pretty funny stuff. |
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There was plenty of smearing of the Administration last night. So I guess
Chuck has lost already. You can send the salmon (smoked and on ice) to me anytime Chuckster. Send me your address and I'll send you some smoked salmon. Not because I lost the bet: (you never accepted the bet or stated what stakes you offered on your end). Not because Bush/Cheney made it all the way through their convention without attacking the Demos: (which was the specific subject of the bet). But because some pure food from unpolluted waters might do just a bit to help clarify your often fuzzy perspectives. Can't e-mail fish, so send me an address. (will be holding my breath) :-) |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... There was plenty of smearing of the Administration last night. So I guess Chuck has lost already. You can send the salmon (smoked and on ice) to me anytime Chuckster. Send me your address and I'll send you some smoked salmon. (will be holding my breath) :-) You can stop holding your breath. While the offer sounds tasty I will pass for reasons I care not to post here. |
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"jim--" wrote in message ... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... There was plenty of smearing of the Administration last night. So I guess Chuck has lost already. You can send the salmon (smoked and on ice) to me anytime Chuckster. Send me your address and I'll send you some smoked salmon. (will be holding my breath) :-) You can stop holding your breath. While the offer sounds tasty I will pass for reasons I care not to post here. Tell her to bathe more often. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... There was plenty of smearing of the Administration last night. So I guess Chuck has lost already. You can send the salmon (smoked and on ice) to me anytime Chuckster. Send me your address and I'll send you some smoked salmon. Not because I lost the bet: (you never accepted the bet or stated what stakes you offered on your end). Not because Bush/Cheney made it all the way through their convention without attacking the Demos: (which was the specific subject of the bet). But because some pure food from unpolluted waters might do just a bit to help clarify your often fuzzy perspectives. Can't e-mail fish, so send me an address. (will be holding my breath) :-) He-he-he Unpolluted, eh? http://murray.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=189347 http://www.pugetsound.org/p2/execsum.html http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/95872_sound18.shtml http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/j...03/western.htm |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Giving your partisan crystal ball a go at it again. Too bad it is giving you false outlooks. Want to wager? Wager what? That GWB and or Cheney will smear Kerry/Edwards at the Republican convention? What stakes did you have in mind? Some Washington salmon vs whatever-it-is-you have back there? I'd be up for something along that line. I don't think you'd want what passes for fish in the 'Cleveland' area! I am sure the fish out of the Halifax Harbour glow in the dark: http://www.aims.ca/Media/1999/prjul1399.html http://www.seasidelive.ca/oceanslive...ted_sewage.htm My, my my. ;-) |
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"jim--" wrote in message ... I am sure the fish out of the Halifax Harbour glow in the dark: http://www.aims.ca/Media/1999/prjul1399.html http://www.seasidelive.ca/oceanslive...rine_beach_deb ris/untreated_sewage.htm My, my my. ;-) Interesting. First link quotes an old buddy of mine...Bill Maden. We were all regulars at the YMCA weightlifting room when he and a few others dreamed up that Polar Bear foolishness in the late 60's. I quickly put distance between myself & that loony bunch. Imagine...New Years day swimming in Halifax Harbour. Wasn't sure what was worse..polution or water temperature. Come on down now...you'll see lots of construction to finally help cleanup that mess. |
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jim-- wrote:
You live in the armpit of America, dunghole. It seems odd for you to be putitng down other parts of the continent. Your city lost its claim to fame when George Szell departed. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
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Don White wrote:
"jim--" wrote in message ... I am sure the fish out of the Halifax Harbour glow in the dark: http://www.aims.ca/Media/1999/prjul1399.html http://www.seasidelive.ca/oceanslive...rine_beach_deb ris/untreated_sewage.htm My, my my. ;-) Interesting. First link quotes an old buddy of mine...Bill Maden. We were all regulars at the YMCA weightlifting room when he and a few others dreamed up that Polar Bear foolishness in the late 60's. I quickly put distance between myself & that loony bunch. Imagine...New Years day swimming in Halifax Harbour. Wasn't sure what was worse..polution or water temperature. Come on down now...you'll see lots of construction to finally help cleanup that mess. Remember, Dennis lives near Cleveland...and that's one hop, skip and jump away from Love Canal. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "jim--" wrote in message ... I am sure the fish out of the Halifax Harbour glow in the dark: http://www.aims.ca/Media/1999/prjul1399.html http://www.seasidelive.ca/oceanslive...rine_beach_deb ris/untreated_sewage.htm My, my my. ;-) Interesting. First link quotes an old buddy of mine...Bill Maden. We were all regulars at the YMCA weightlifting room when he and a few others dreamed up that Polar Bear foolishness in the late 60's. I quickly put distance between myself & that loony bunch. Imagine...New Years day swimming in Halifax Harbour. Wasn't sure what was worse..polution or water temperature. Come on down now...you'll see lots of construction to finally help cleanup that mess. Remember, Dennis lives near Cleveland...and that's one hop, skip and jump away from Love Canal. -- Seems your waterway has some major pollution problems Harry. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jul17.html http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040719_314.html http://www.alliancechesbay.org/asktheexpert.cfm?ID=37 And your city is well above average in crime http://baltimore.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm Seeing you are quite ignorant about Cleveland, here is some information for you: Cleveland Rankings . A Top 10 Summer Vacation Destination, msn.com (May 2004) . Six Greater Cleveland restaurants earned AAA Four Diamond Award for 2004; Century at the Ritz Carlton, Ristorante Giovanni's, The Baricelli Inn, The Leopard Restaurant, Lockkeepers and Classics. Cleveland has more Diamond restaurants than any other restaurants in our competing regions. . Named one of the 10 ten safest and culturally most fascinating cities to visit in the U.S., Travel Smart (January 2004) . Named a Top 10 city for walking by The American Podiatric Medical Association, www.msn.prevention.com (November 2003) . Named a 2003 Top 25 Arts Destination, www.americanstyle.com (October 2003) . Named one of 10 great places to take a hike in the big city. "Once known as the 'Mistake on the Lake,' Cleveland, bordering Lake Erie, is now America's No. 1 turnaround story. Walkers will appreciate the 60-mile string of parks and greenbelts known as the 'Emerald Necklace.' And if you walk to the rock 'n' roll beat, you'll love the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum." USA Today (September 2003) . A Top 10 Summer Vacation Destination, msn.com (June 2003) . 4th Best Beer in the Country, Great Lakes Brewing Company, Dortmunder Gold, American Heritage (July 2002) . One of the Best Park Systems in the CountryNational Park & Recreation Association (October 2001) . Cleveland Browns Fans are #1 Fans in Pro Football, Street & Smith's Sports Business Journal(July 2001) . Jacobs Field Ranked #3 Ballpark in Major League Baseball, MSN.com (July 2001) . Cleveland Ranked #3 City That Works Hardest to Accommodate Group Tours, Destinations (April 2001) . Top Five U.S. City for Meetings, Get There Direct Meeting Company (February 2001) . Cleveland Browns fans ranked first in NFL fan support, Sports Business Journal (January 2001) . One of the "most livable cities" in America , Partners For Livable Communities (Sept. 2000) . One of the Top 10 Cities for African-American Women to Live and Work , Ebony (2000) . #2 City for Recreation in North America , Places Rated Almanacd (1999) . #2 Most Livable City in the MidWest , Money (1998) . #6 Top Rated City for Hispanics , Hispanic (1998) . #4 Big City for Public Golf Courses , Golf Digest (July 1998) . One of the Top 35 Best Sports Cities , The Sporting News (July 6, 1998) . #5 Best American City for African, American Families - Essence (June 1998) . #17 Art Destination , American Style (Summer 1998) . Four of Top 100 High Schools in the Country , Newsweek (May 1998) . #2 Best City for Legal Associates , The Associate (Spring 1998) . One of the 30 Best Cities for Young Professionals to Live , 30 Great Cities Start Out in by Sandra Gurvis (1997) . Best Running Path , Rocky River - Runner World (December 1997) . #6 Improved North American City for Business , Fortune (November 1997) . One of World's Top 10 Hot Spots for Travelers , Travel & Leisure (1997)) . #3 for New/Expanded Manufacturing Facilities , Site Selection Magazine (1994-1996) ) . #7 Top Rated City for Hispanics , Hispanic (May 1996) . #2 Hottest New Destination in US for Auto Travel , AAA (1996) . Top 35 for the Arts , Places Rated Almanac (1996) . One of the Best Places to Play Jazz in America , Down Beat (February 1996) . #8 Best Performing Local Stocks for Second Quarter , Money (August 1995) . #39 for Nurturing Business , Forbes (February 27, 1995) . One of 20 Best Cities in US for Global Success , World Trade Magazine (1993) . Residents Have Lowest Average Monthly Mortgage Rates , Chicago Title and Trust Company (1994) . #6 In Nation for Per Capita Donation to Charities , The Chronicle of Philanthropy (1994) . Gold Medal Award for Excellence in the Field of Park and Recreation Management , The Sports Foundation, Inc. (1994) . Best Band in the Land , Cleveland Orchestra - Time (January 1994) . One of 6 Hot Cities for Black Business , Black Enterprise (May 1994) . Four Greater Cleveland Hospitals Ranked Among the Best in the Nation , US news and World Report (1994) . #1 Largest Most Comprehensive Rainforest in Country , American Zoo & Aquarium Association (1992) . Five Time All, American City Award Winner - National League of Cities (1949,1982, 1984, 1986, 1993) |
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"jim--" wrote in message ... Cleveland Rankings . A Top 10 Summer Vacation Destination, msn.com (May 2004) . Six Greater Cleveland restaurants earned AAA Four Diamond Award for 2004; Century at the Ritz Carlton, Ristorante Giovanni's, The Baricelli Inn, The Leopard Restaurant, Lockkeepers and Classics. Cleveland has more Diamond restaurants than any other restaurants in our competing regions. . Named one of the 10 ten safest and culturally most fascinating cities to visit in the U.S., Travel Smart (January 2004) etc...etc **Who would have thought?? I read an article in our local Saturday newspaper about Cincinnati turning things around...but Cleveland? |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "jim--" wrote in message ... Cleveland Rankings . A Top 10 Summer Vacation Destination, msn.com (May 2004) . Six Greater Cleveland restaurants earned AAA Four Diamond Award for 2004; Century at the Ritz Carlton, Ristorante Giovanni's, The Baricelli Inn, The Leopard Restaurant, Lockkeepers and Classics. Cleveland has more Diamond restaurants than any other restaurants in our competing regions. . Named one of the 10 ten safest and culturally most fascinating cities to visit in the U.S., Travel Smart (January 2004) etc...etc **Who would have thought?? I read an article in our local Saturday newspaper about Cincinnati turning things around...but Cleveland? It would take thought, Don, and you haven't exhibited that. You usually just parrot Harry, and bash the USA. Jack |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... jim-- wrote: You live in the armpit of America, dunghole. It seems odd for you to be putitng down other parts of the continent. Your city lost its claim to fame when George Szell departed. I've been to Maryland, Harry. If Cleveland is the armpit, then Maryland is decidedly the anus. Jack |
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But because some pure food from unpolluted waters might do just a bit to
help clarify your often fuzzy perspectives. Can't e-mail fish, so send me an address. (will be holding my breath) :-) He-he-he Unpolluted, eh? http://murray.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=189347 http://www.pugetsound.org/p2/execsum.html http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/95872_sound18.shtml http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/j...03/western.htm One of those articles deals with an oil spill in the Columbia River three or four years ago, and the rest are about "Puget Sound". There is very little commercial fishing done in Puget Sound, which is an inland estuary of the Pacific Ocean. Nice try though, and being from back in the mudwets, nobody would expect you to know any better. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... But because some pure food from unpolluted waters might do just a bit to help clarify your often fuzzy perspectives. Can't e-mail fish, so send me an address. (will be holding my breath) :-) He-he-he Unpolluted, eh? http://murray.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=189347 http://www.pugetsound.org/p2/execsum.html http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/95872_sound18.shtml http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/j...03/western.htm One of those articles deals with an oil spill in the Columbia River three or four years ago, and the rest are about "Puget Sound". There is very little commercial fishing done in Puget Sound, which is an inland estuary of the Pacific Ocean. Nice try though, and being from back in the mudwets, nobody would expect you to know any better. I realize where the Puget Sound is. I don't know where you live though other than somewhere in Washington. So I took a shot and was wrong. So shoot me. The point is that just about every major waterway in the US is polluted to one degree or another, your area of the Pacific being no exception. ;-) |
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"Jack Goff" wrote in message .com... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... jim-- wrote: You live in the armpit of America, dunghole. It seems odd for you to be putitng down other parts of the continent. Your city lost its claim to fame when George Szell departed. I've been to Maryland, Harry. If Cleveland is the armpit, then Maryland is decidedly the anus. Jack, the fact that Harry lives in Maryland is a bad thing but, having driven over 400 miles this weekend through Maryland, West Virginia and Virginia I have to say that West Virginia is the anus out of the three. |
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"Jack Goff" wrote in message .com... It would take thought, Don, and you haven't exhibited that. You usually just parrot Harry, and bash the USA. Jack Not the whole USA...just the 45% that support Bush. |
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Don White wrote:
"jim--" wrote in message ... Cleveland Rankings . A Top 10 Summer Vacation Destination, msn.com (May 2004) . Six Greater Cleveland restaurants earned AAA Four Diamond Award for 2004; Century at the Ritz Carlton, Ristorante Giovanni's, The Baricelli Inn, The Leopard Restaurant, Lockkeepers and Classics. Cleveland has more Diamond restaurants than any other restaurants in our competing regions. . Named one of the 10 ten safest and culturally most fascinating cities to visit in the U.S., Travel Smart (January 2004) etc...etc **Who would have thought?? I read an article in our local Saturday newspaper about Cincinnati turning things around...but Cleveland? Whatever...it's still Cleveland. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
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"jim--" wrote in message ...
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... But because some pure food from unpolluted waters might do just a bit to help clarify your often fuzzy perspectives. Can't e-mail fish, so send me an address. (will be holding my breath) :-) He-he-he Unpolluted, eh? http://murray.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=189347 http://www.pugetsound.org/p2/execsum.html http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/95872_sound18.shtml http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/j...03/western.htm One of those articles deals with an oil spill in the Columbia River three or four years ago, and the rest are about "Puget Sound". There is very little commercial fishing done in Puget Sound, which is an inland estuary of the Pacific Ocean. Nice try though, and being from back in the mudwets, nobody would expect you to know any better. I realize where the Puget Sound is. I don't know where you live though other than somewhere in Washington. So I took a shot and was wrong. So shoot me. As usual. You do nothing but make wild assumptions, with no basis of fact. |
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"jim--" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message om... "jim--" wrote in message ... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Edwards managed to get through his entire speech without mentioning George Bush by name. Raises the bar pretty high. Let's see if Kerry can also rise above attack politics here on out. If he does, the nation will notice the contrast when the R's use their convention to badmouth and smear Kerry and Edwards. The technique is likely to backfire on the side using it- if the other side doesn't reciprocate. Giving your partisan crystal ball a go at it again. Too bad it is giving you false outlooks. Want to wager? Absolutely!! I'd LOVE to wager that the Republicans will smear the Kerry/Edwards ticket at their convention. Just what would you like to wager? There was plenty of smearing of the Administration last night. So I guess Chuck has lost already. You can send the salmon (smoked and on ice) to me anytime Chuckster. Uh, Jim--, it was YOU who made the wager.... |
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"jim--" wrote in message ... "Gould 0738" wrote in message Dennis the dope: I realize where the Puget Sound is. I don't know where you live though other than somewhere in Washington. So I took a shot and was wrong. So shoot me. Priceless. An asshole who lives in the Cleveland metro area casting aspersions on coastal areas of the country... Cleveland!!! Hehehe. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
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