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I hope that you will spare me a few minutes of your time to tell you about
something that I saw on Monday, October 27. I had been attending a conference in Annapolis and was coming home on Sunday. As you may recall, Los Angeles International Airport was closed on Sunday, October 26, because of the fires that affected air traffic control. Accordingly, my flight, and many others, were canceled and I wound up spending a night in Baltimore. My story begins the next day. When I went to check in at the United counter Monday morning I saw a lot of soldiers home from Iraq. Most were very young and all had on their desert camouflage uniforms. This was as change from earlier, when they had to buy civilian clothes in Kuwait to fly home. It was a visible reminder that we are in a war. It probably was pretty close to what train terminals were like in World War II. Many people were stopping the troops to talk to them, asking them questions in the Starbucks line or just saying "Welcome Home." In addition to all the flights that had been canceled on Sunday, the weather was terrible in Baltimore and the flights were backed up. So, there were a lot of unhappy people in the terminal trying to get home, but nobody that I saw gave the soldiers a bad time. By the afternoon, one plane to Denver had been delayed several hours. United personnel kept asking for volunteers to give up their seats and take another flight. They weren't getting many takers. Finally, a United spokeswoman got on the PA and said "Folks. As you can see, there are a lot of soldiers in the waiting area. They only have 14 days of leave and we're trying to get them where they need to go without spending any more time in an airport then they have to. We sold them all tickets, knowing we would oversell the flight. If we can, we want to get them all on this flight. We want all the soldiers to know that we respect what you're doing, we are here for you and we love you." At that, the entire terminal of cranky, tired, travel-weary people, a cross-section of America, broke into sustained and heartfelt applause. The soldiers looked surprised and very modest. Most of them just looked at their boots. Many of us were wiping away tears. And, yes, people lined up to take the later flight and all the soldiers went to Denver on that flight. That little moment made me proud to be an American, and also told me why we will win this war. If you want to send my little story on to your friends and family, feel free. This is not some urban legend. I was there, I was part of it, I saw it happen. Will Ross Administrative Judge United States Department of Defense |
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RGrew176,
Great story, thanks. I'm not in favor of this war but I do support those that are called on to wage it, they are true heroes. Paul "RGrew176" wrote in message ... I hope that you will spare me a few minutes of your time to tell you about something that I saw on Monday, October 27. I had been attending a conference in Annapolis and was coming home on Sunday. As you may recall, Los Angeles International Airport was closed on Sunday, October 26, because of the fires that affected air traffic control. Accordingly, my flight, and many others, were canceled and I wound up spending a night in Baltimore. My story begins the next day. When I went to check in at the United counter Monday morning I saw a lot of soldiers home from Iraq. Most were very young and all had on their desert camouflage uniforms. This was as change from earlier, when they had to buy civilian clothes in Kuwait to fly home. It was a visible reminder that we are in a war. It probably was pretty close to what train terminals were like in World War II. Many people were stopping the troops to talk to them, asking them questions in the Starbucks line or just saying "Welcome Home." In addition to all the flights that had been canceled on Sunday, the weather was terrible in Baltimore and the flights were backed up. So, there were a lot of unhappy people in the terminal trying to get home, but nobody that I saw gave the soldiers a bad time. By the afternoon, one plane to Denver had been delayed several hours. United personnel kept asking for volunteers to give up their seats and take another flight. They weren't getting many takers. Finally, a United spokeswoman got on the PA and said "Folks. As you can see, there are a lot of soldiers in the waiting area. They only have 14 days of leave and we're trying to get them where they need to go without spending any more time in an airport th en they have to. We sold them all tickets, knowing we would oversell the flight. If we can, we want to get them all on this flight. We want all the soldiers to know that we respect what you're doing, we are here for you and we love you." At that, the entire terminal of cranky, tired, travel-weary people, a cross-section of America, broke into sustained and heartfelt applause. The soldiers looked surprised and very modest. Most of them just looked at their boots. Many of us were wiping away tears. And, yes, people lined up to take the later flight and all the soldiers went to Denver on that flight. That little moment made me proud to be an American, and also told me why we will win this war. If you want to send my little story on to your friends and family, feel free. This is not some urban legend. I was there, I was part of it, I saw it happen. Will Ross Administrative Judge United States Department of Defense |
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This might be one of the few uplifting off topic discussion I have read in
this forum. Thanks for sharing. "RGrew176" wrote in message ... I hope that you will spare me a few minutes of your time to tell you about something that I saw on Monday, October 27. I had been attending a conference in Annapolis and was coming home on Sunday. As you may recall, Los Angeles International Airport was closed on Sunday, October 26, because of the fires that affected air traffic control. Accordingly, my flight, and many others, were canceled and I wound up spending a night in Baltimore. My story begins the next day. When I went to check in at the United counter Monday morning I saw a lot of soldiers home from Iraq. Most were very young and all had on their desert camouflage uniforms. This was as change from earlier, when they had to buy civilian clothes in Kuwait to fly home. It was a visible reminder that we are in a war. It probably was pretty close to what train terminals were like in World War II. Many people were stopping the troops to talk to them, asking them questions in the Starbucks line or just saying "Welcome Home." In addition to all the flights that had been canceled on Sunday, the weather was terrible in Baltimore and the flights were backed up. So, there were a lot of unhappy people in the terminal trying to get home, but nobody that I saw gave the soldiers a bad time. By the afternoon, one plane to Denver had been delayed several hours. United personnel kept asking for volunteers to give up their seats and take another flight. They weren't getting many takers. Finally, a United spokeswoman got on the PA and said "Folks. As you can see, there are a lot of soldiers in the waiting area. They only have 14 days of leave and we're trying to get them where they need to go without spending any more time in an airport then they have to. We sold them all tickets, knowing we would oversell the flight. If we can, we want to get them all on this flight. We want all the soldiers to know that we respect what you're doing, we are here for you and we love you." At that, the entire terminal of cranky, tired, travel-weary people, a cross-section of America, broke into sustained and heartfelt applause. The soldiers looked surprised and very modest. Most of them just looked at their boots. Many of us were wiping away tears. And, yes, people lined up to take the later flight and all the soldiers went to Denver on that flight. That little moment made me proud to be an American, and also told me why we will win this war. If you want to send my little story on to your friends and family, feel free. This is not some urban legend. I was there, I was part of it, I saw it happen. Will Ross Administrative Judge United States Department of Defense |
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RGrew176 wrote:
By the afternoon, one plane to Denver had been delayed several hours. United personnel kept asking for volunteers to give up their seats and take another flight. They weren't getting many takers. Finally, a United spokeswoman got on the PA and said "Folks. As you can see, there are a lot of soldiers in the waiting area. They only have 14 days of leave and we're trying to get them where they need to go without spending any more time in an airport then they have to. We sold them all tickets, knowing we would oversell the flight. If we can, we want to get them all on this flight. We want all the soldiers to know that we respect what you're doing, we are here for you and we love you." Isn't it nice that the corporate representative worked so hard to shift the blame or guilt from overselling the flight from his company onto the passengers in the terminal? United acted as it did, "knowing we would oversell the flight." If United gave a crap, it would have made another plane available, or it wouldn't have overbooked so drastically. Here's another issue to ponder: why isn't the military picking up the tab for getting these soldiers home for leave? Yes, I know, the military doesn't usually do this, but Bush's dirty little war in Iraq is not our usual sort of strategic or nation-building exercise. This mess Bush has gotten us into in Iraq is going to have a serious impact on the future of the reserve forces. I hope the troops on leave got home to their families. We'll all be lucky to survive this incompetent idiot we now have in the White House. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:45:45 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote: All flights are oversold, Interesting. I've been on flights that only had 10 or 15 people on them. Musta been a lot of no shows. bb |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message - Isn't it nice that the corporate representative worked so hard to shift the blame or guilt from overselling the flight from his company onto the passengers in the terminal? Even with this touching story, poor Harry can't even find something decent to say about humanity. What a louse. |
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:32:54 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote: Most flights are allowed to be oversold. Some few flights in specific high-traffic markets have predictable high show rates, and their allowed overbooking percentage is usually very low. Other flight segments rarely if ever fill up at certain times or on certain days, so clearly there is no need for any overbooking policy there. Much better. BTW, it just might be an opportune time to check your computer's calendar. bb |
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"bb" wrote in message BTW, it just might be an opportune time to check your computer's calendar. Naw, it's just my "forward thinking" that has you confused. Thanks. Messing with the system and changing IPs simultaneously, and failing to check all details. JG |
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He reminds of the kind of person everyone walks away from when he walks into
a cocktail party. What a putz. "NOYB" wrote in message m... "Harry Krause" wrote in message - Isn't it nice that the corporate representative worked so hard to shift the blame or guilt from overselling the flight from his company onto the passengers in the terminal? Even with this touching story, poor Harry can't even find something decent to say about humanity. What a louse. |
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:50:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message - Isn't it nice that the corporate representative worked so hard to shift the blame or guilt from overselling the flight from his company onto the passengers in the terminal? Even with this touching story, poor Harry can't even find something decent to say about humanity. What a louse. Trouble is, though, he's right. When I buy a hunting or fishing license, I know the score. I might get lucky, I might not. It is a risk I understand and accept. When I buy a ticket, I have a reasonable expectation of *using* that ticket to claim *my* seat, NOT as a receipt for a hunting license. And definitely not becoming an unwilling participant in a lottery for the seat I paid for.... with doe-eyed passengers looking on to see how hard-hearted I am.... and by proxy, passing the blame for lack of surrender on to anybody else with a greater conscience. Harry is clearly correct, the unpatriotic and un-American persons involved were the sellers of tickets that they *knew* were not good and would not be honored. Suppose they told these service men and women up front? In another thread we discussed the morality of paying for goods and services received. Do you think a no-show will receive a refund? Even if that flight was overbooked and people were turned away. This is a crappy way to do business. My point (and I hope Harry's) is that these people did the right thing and performed a greater good for these service men and women to show their appreciation for their sacrifices to our country and *right the wrong* done to them by a transportation system driven by corporate greed and paid to stay in business by the Federal Government. My $.02. |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:50:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message - Isn't it nice that the corporate representative worked so hard to shift the blame or guilt from overselling the flight from his company onto the passengers in the terminal? Even with this touching story, poor Harry can't even find something decent to say about humanity. What a louse. Trouble is, though, he's right. When I buy a hunting or fishing license, I know the score. I might get lucky, I might not. It is a risk I understand and accept. When I buy a ticket, I have a reasonable expectation of *using* that ticket to claim *my* seat, NOT as a receipt for a hunting license. And definitely not becoming an unwilling participant in a lottery for the seat I paid for.... with doe-eyed passengers looking on to see how hard-hearted I am.... and by proxy, passing the blame for lack of surrender on to anybody else with a greater conscience. Harry is clearly correct, the unpatriotic and un-American persons involved were the sellers of tickets that they *knew* were not good and would not be honored. Suppose they told these service men and women up front? In another thread we discussed the morality of paying for goods and services received. Do you think a no-show will receive a refund? Even if that flight was overbooked and people were turned away. This is a crappy way to do business. My point (and I hope Harry's) is that these people did the right thing and performed a greater good for these service men and women to show their appreciation for their sacrifices to our country and *right the wrong* done to them by a transportation system driven by corporate greed and paid to stay in business by the Federal Government. My $.02. Indeed, the passengers who agreed to be "bumped" to allow the service personnel to board were gracious and generous. The corporation behaved like - your typical corporation. Further, it really annoys me that the service personnel have to pay for their own tickets to get home on leave from a war zone. It's one thing to pay for your ticket home from a billet in Germany; it's quite another to have to pay to get home for two weeks from a frippin' war. Why isn't Bush stepping up to the plate to do something for these warriors? Why? Because he's a detached pile of crap. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message Very well put Gene. |
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I blocked Harry, JPS and jamaice a long time ago so I dont have to read
their hatefull post. "Paul Garcia" wrote in message news:1yutb.156408$mZ5.1065788@attbi_s54... He reminds of the kind of person everyone walks away from when he walks into a cocktail party. What a putz. "NOYB" wrote in message m... "Harry Krause" wrote in message - Isn't it nice that the corporate representative worked so hard to shift the blame or guilt from overselling the flight from his company onto the passengers in the terminal? Even with this touching story, poor Harry can't even find something decent to say about humanity. What a louse. |
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Joe wrote:
Some of these same evil corporations are donating millions of sky miles to the most needy soldiers. Are you donating yours? To donate your Delta SkyMiles, send the following information: 1.. Your SkyMiles account number 2.. Your name, address and phone number 3.. The amount of miles to be donated, and 4.. A request to have your miles donated to "SkyMiles for Heroes" You may send your donation request via: a.. Fax to 404-773-1945 b.. Mail to: Delta Air Lines Inc., SkyMiles Service Center, Dept. 654, P.O. Box 20532, Atlanta, Ga. 30320-2532. c.. Email to Sorry, but it is my position that the U.S. taxpayers ought to pick up the tab for back-home leave for soldiers risking their lives in a war zone. Or perhaps Corporate America should pick up the tab directly. After all, it is the corporations that will make out like bandits from Bush's war. The vets will return home injured or ill, and be subject to third-class treatment from the military and the VA. Soldiers serving in a war zone always get a raw deal, while corporations make huge profits from the aftermath of war. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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This is due to years of democrats undermining the military. We are losing
lives because of the liberals giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Terrorist listen to the democrats here and figure if they can just hold out a little longer, they will win. If the dems would put as much effort into helping this country as they do bad mouthing it, the terrorist problem would have been handled years ago. Bob "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Joe wrote: Some of these same evil corporations are donating millions of sky miles to the most needy soldiers. Are you donating yours? To donate your Delta SkyMiles, send the following information: 1.. Your SkyMiles account number 2.. Your name, address and phone number 3.. The amount of miles to be donated, and 4.. A request to have your miles donated to "SkyMiles for Heroes" You may send your donation request via: a.. Fax to 404-773-1945 b.. Mail to: Delta Air Lines Inc., SkyMiles Service Center, Dept. 654, P.O. Box 20532, Atlanta, Ga. 30320-2532. c.. Email to Sorry, but it is my position that the U.S. taxpayers ought to pick up the tab for back-home leave for soldiers risking their lives in a war zone. Or perhaps Corporate America should pick up the tab directly. After all, it is the corporations that will make out like bandits from Bush's war. The vets will return home injured or ill, and be subject to third-class treatment from the military and the VA. Soldiers serving in a war zone always get a raw deal, while corporations make huge profits from the aftermath of war. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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Robert White wrote:
This is due to years of democrats undermining the military. We are losing lives because of the liberals giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Terrorist listen to the democrats here and figure if they can just hold out a little longer, they will win. If the dems would put as much effort into helping this country as they do bad mouthing it, the terrorist problem would have been handled years ago. Hehehe. You righties are a panic. Simple thoughts in your simple minds. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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This is due to years of democrats undermining the military. We are losing
lives because of the liberals giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Terrorist listen to the democrats here and figure if they can just hold out a little longer, they will win. If the dems would put as much effort into helping this country as they do bad mouthing it, the terrorist problem would have been handled years ago. Ever consider moving to a police state? In such a system, *nobody* is allowed to express any dissent when the government launches a war or question the motives/wisdom of participating in same. It makes a very efficient system. The government simply declares how it is proper to think about this subject or that, and those who disagree better darn well keep mouth shut- or they'll be a burning corpse by morning. Anybody in Iraq who might wonder what the official will of the American people might be, has only to look out the window and see the occupation troops on the street. Only to huddle in the cellar and pray to Allah as the bombs and artillery rounds fall on structures that may be very nearby. (As was the case 2-3 nights ago) When the country is wrong, should we avoid speaking out simply because the people "in charge" are making the mistake? Under a police state, the republicans will have to keep silent wehn the democrats are in charge or be suspected of treason. Same when the reverse is true. Would you like such a system? It seems to be what you're advocating in your post. |
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Gould 0738 wrote:
This is due to years of democrats undermining the military. We are losing lives because of the liberals giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Terrorist listen to the democrats here and figure if they can just hold out a little longer, they will win. If the dems would put as much effort into helping this country as they do bad mouthing it, the terrorist problem would have been handled years ago. Ever consider moving to a police state? In such a system, *nobody* is allowed to express any dissent when the government launches a war or question the motives/wisdom of participating in same. It makes a very efficient system. The government simply declares how it is proper to think about this subject or that, and those who disagree better darn well keep mouth shut- or they'll be a burning corpse by morning. Anybody in Iraq who might wonder what the official will of the American people might be, has only to look out the window and see the occupation troops on the street. Only to huddle in the cellar and pray to Allah as the bombs and artillery rounds fall on structures that may be very nearby. (As was the case 2-3 nights ago) When the country is wrong, should we avoid speaking out simply because the people "in charge" are making the mistake? Under a police state, the republicans will have to keep silent wehn the democrats are in charge or be suspected of treason. Same when the reverse is true. Would you like such a system? It seems to be what you're advocating in your post. The saddest part is the bit about giving "aid and comfort" to the enemy. What enemy? The people in Iraq resisting the forces of the United States? Those people weren't "resisting" us until we invaded their country. Those are the people we are "fighting" in Iraq. We're certainly not fighting the terrorists responsible for planning or carrying out 9-11. We don't have much like finding those folks. But the Iraqi people? Well, they're available, and some of them fight back. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:28:46 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
Joe wrote: Some of these same evil corporations are donating millions of sky miles to the most needy soldiers. Are you donating yours? To donate your Delta SkyMiles, send the following information: 1.. Your SkyMiles account number 2.. Your name, address and phone number 3.. The amount of miles to be donated, and 4.. A request to have your miles donated to "SkyMiles for Heroes" You may send your donation request via: a.. Fax to 404-773-1945 b.. Mail to: Delta Air Lines Inc., SkyMiles Service Center, Dept. 654, P.O. Box 20532, Atlanta, Ga. 30320-2532. c.. Email to Sorry, but it is my position that the U.S. taxpayers ought to pick up the tab for back-home leave for soldiers risking their lives in a war zone. Or perhaps Corporate America should pick up the tab directly. After all, it is the corporations that will make out like bandits from Bush's war. The vets will return home injured or ill, and be subject to third-class treatment from the military and the VA. Soldiers serving in a war zone always get a raw deal, while corporations make huge profits from the aftermath of war. Harry, if corporations are making out so well, where did this post come from? The Bush Economy continues: Baltimore City Public School System Facing Massive Layoffs http://www.btimes.com/News/article/a...ID=34960&sID=4 Zhone completes merger, dumps workers http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjo...0/daily65.html Adobe Systems cuts 3% of work force http://www.ajc.com/business/content/...tml/Financial/ AP.V7162.AP-Adobe-Job-Cuts.html Job ends for civilian report technicians http://www.wivb.com/Global/story.asp...1&nav=0RapJ8H3 Conference confronts Macon job losses http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap...y.asp?ID=24244 Nineteen lose jobs at Boston Herald http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs....114/APF/311140 937 Plant closings cost Salem 620 jobs http://www.theworldlink.com/articles...ews/news11.txt Berkshire Health Systems Cuts http://www.capitalnews9.com/content/...asp?ArID=47707 County Forces Unpaid Leave at SB Courts http://www.ucsbdailynexus.com/news/2003/6091.html Telemarketers Blame Layoffs on Do not Call Registry http://www.ucsbdailynexus.com/news/2003/6091.html Tyco Set to Cut 100 Jobs http://www.bgdailynews.com/cgi-bin/v...o20031114_news. html+20031114+news Vistakon completes layoffs with 279 Jax cuts http://jacksonville.bizjournals.com/...003/11/10/dail y33.html Returning Troops Complain of Job Problems http://www.nbc4.com/employment/2636233/detail.html Police Budget Heading for the Red http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com...992~1766750,00. html Budget woes hammer state and local government jobs http://www.mlive.com/news/aanews/ind...68824510113360. xml Hoover Lays off 30 salaried workers http://www.morningjournal.com/site/n...id=46377&newsi d=10514236&PAG=461&rfi=9 Bechtel could lay off 200 by Jan. 31 http://www.tri-cityherald.com/tch/lo...-4384050c.html Wafer Plants Closing in Salem http://www.oregonlive.com/business/o...se/business/10 68815001294900.xml Steelcase Inc - More Layoffs Possible http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...,1,5113811.sto ry?coll=chi-business-hed Big Bear stores to go up for auction http://www.zanesvilletimesrecorder.c...14/localnews/6 40298.html Proposed job cutbacks stun Cleveland Police, Fire unions http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaind...cuyahoga/10688 05886245050.xml Cuts too depp for tasks at hand http://www.nj.com/news/expresstimes/...s-8/1068804442 28580.xml Amid layoffs, CSX has $1-million for Super Bowl seats http://www.sptimes.com/2003/11/14/Bu..._CSX_has.shtml Franklin Mint dismisses 200 workers from Suburban Center http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?n...2&PAG=461&dept _id=465812&rfi=6 Housing Authority Cuts Jobs http://www.bouldernews.com/bdc/count...BDC_2423_24277 40,00.html Cone cuts 190 Jobs at White Oak Mill http://www.news-record.com/money/new...oak_111403.htm Layoffs Looming Large at Valley Crest http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?n...9&PAG=461&dept _id=455154&rfi=6 Des Moines School Layoffs could affect 45 http://www.dmregister.com/news/stori.../22759582.html Budget Cuts in Westchester to Force 236 Layoffs http://tinyurl.com/v2nn N.E. Acquarium to Lay off Staff http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mone...67/detail.html Ahold consolidation could mean layoffs for Giant in Maryland http://www.gazette.net/200346/busine.../187963-1.html Mayor Campbell addresses layoff proposal http://www.newsnet5.com/news/2635979/detail.html Yesterday's figures don't look much better, but then, the AJC says: Jobless Claims Low Enough to Breed Optimism http://www.ajc.com/business/content/...14jobless.html --------------------------------------------- Thanks, Dubya. -- Email sent to is never read. John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD |
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JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:28:46 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Joe wrote: Some of these same evil corporations are donating millions of sky miles to the most needy soldiers. Are you donating yours? To donate your Delta SkyMiles, send the following information: 1.. Your SkyMiles account number 2.. Your name, address and phone number 3.. The amount of miles to be donated, and 4.. A request to have your miles donated to "SkyMiles for Heroes" You may send your donation request via: a.. Fax to 404-773-1945 b.. Mail to: Delta Air Lines Inc., SkyMiles Service Center, Dept. 654, P.O. Box 20532, Atlanta, Ga. 30320-2532. c.. Email to Sorry, but it is my position that the U.S. taxpayers ought to pick up the tab for back-home leave for soldiers risking their lives in a war zone. Or perhaps Corporate America should pick up the tab directly. After all, it is the corporations that will make out like bandits from Bush's war. The vets will return home injured or ill, and be subject to third-class treatment from the military and the VA. Soldiers serving in a war zone always get a raw deal, while corporations make huge profits from the aftermath of war. Harry, if corporations are making out so well, where did this post come from? Uh...my comment was directed towards those corporations that are or will be involved in war profiteering as a result of Bush's dirty little war in Afghanistan and Iraq. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message Joe wrote: Some of these same evil corporations are donating millions of sky miles to the most needy soldiers. Are you donating yours? and Harry replied..... Sorry, but it is my position that the U.S. taxpayers ought to pick up Translation : NO, not me! It's the government's job! I complain a lot, but I'm not going to do anything to help. S&#T!!!! N.A.T.O., Harry. |
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John Gaquin wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message Joe wrote: Some of these same evil corporations are donating millions of sky miles to the most needy soldiers. Are you donating yours? and Harry replied..... Sorry, but it is my position that the U.S. taxpayers ought to pick up Translation : NO, not me! It's the government's job! I complain a lot, but I'm not going to do anything to help. S&#T!!!! N.A.T.O., Harry. Oh, I'm going to do a lot to help. I'm going to work very hard next year to defeat Bush and his brown-shirted thugs, and I'm also going to donate as much money as I can to aid in that effort. As for paying to get those troops on leave from a battlefield home: the Bush Administration sent them over there with our dollars; I see no reason for us to hold back our dollars to get them home for leave. As a taxpayer, I have no objection to paying for travel home for leave for soldiers in a combat zone. Aren't *any* of your righties capable of independent thought? Or are you all BushBorgs? Bush is a disaster; can't you righties begin to admit it? -- Email sent to is never read. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message Bush is a disaster; can't you righties begin to admit it? Oh, I freely admit it! And revel in it! GW is an unmitigated disaster for you, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Patrick Leahy, Judy Woodruff, Katie Couric, Barbra Streisand, and many, many others of similar ilk, and this can only be a wonderfully good thing for our Nation. I am unabashedly ecstatic! |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:26:09 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
John Gaquin wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message Joe wrote: Some of these same evil corporations are donating millions of sky miles to the most needy soldiers. Are you donating yours? and Harry replied..... Sorry, but it is my position that the U.S. taxpayers ought to pick up Translation : NO, not me! It's the government's job! I complain a lot, but I'm not going to do anything to help. S&#T!!!! N.A.T.O., Harry. Oh, I'm going to do a lot to help. I'm going to work very hard next year to defeat Bush and his brown-shirted thugs, and I'm also going to donate as much money as I can to aid in that effort. As for paying to get those troops on leave from a battlefield home: the Bush Administration sent them over there with our dollars; I see no reason for us to hold back our dollars to get them home for leave. As a taxpayer, I have no objection to paying for travel home for leave for soldiers in a combat zone. Aren't *any* of your righties capable of independent thought? Or are you all BushBorgs? Bush is a disaster; can't you righties begin to admit it? Harry, are you going to sell your boat(s)? It would provide a sizeable donation and, in your estimation, do a lot to help get the country on the track you desire - socialism. If you decide to sell, please let me know. Sure wish you had been around during Vietnam. I could have used some of the money to help me fund my R&R. Have you considered going to an airport and buying a soldier a ticket? No? John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:26:09 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
John Gaquin wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message Joe wrote: Some of these same evil corporations are donating millions of sky miles to the most needy soldiers. Are you donating yours? and Harry replied..... Sorry, but it is my position that the U.S. taxpayers ought to pick up Translation : NO, not me! It's the government's job! I complain a lot, but I'm not going to do anything to help. S&#T!!!! N.A.T.O., Harry. Oh, I'm going to do a lot to help. I'm going to work very hard next year to defeat Bush and his brown-shirted thugs, and I'm also going to donate as much money as I can to aid in that effort. As for paying to get those troops on leave from a battlefield home: the Bush Administration sent them over there with our dollars; I see no reason for us to hold back our dollars to get them home for leave. As a taxpayer, I have no objection to paying for travel home for leave for soldiers in a combat zone. Aren't *any* of your righties capable of independent thought? Or are you all BushBorgs? Bush is a disaster; can't you righties begin to admit it? PS Harry, keep this in mind while doing your bashing: "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998 Did you get out on the water today? It would have done your serenity good. John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:25:12 -0800, jps wrote:
In article , says... This is due to years of democrats undermining the military. We are losing lives because of the liberals giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Terrorist listen to the democrats here and figure if they can just hold out a little longer, they will win. If the dems would put as much effort into helping this country as they do bad mouthing it, the terrorist problem would have been handled years ago. Bob We don't bad mouth our country, we bad mouth the people running it. That is called dissent and since you cannot tell the difference between that and "aid and comfort to the ememy," your opinion is worth nothing. Secondly, do you not think the Iraqis value their country as much as the US does? If someone invaded and occupied our country because they disagreed with our leadership, would we sing and dance in the streets and worship the occupiers? Hell no, "people" like you would be trying to pick off every enemy soldier you could from the "media room of your split level." You'd consider anyone who hailed the conquering troops as heros traitors. If the invaders own people were partially against the actions of their country would it serve as a catalyst in your resolve to fight? **** no. You'd fight because you don't want to be occupied by a foreign power, without regard to what anyone thinks. May you be personally subject to a full body search by John Ashcroft for dubious reasons having nothing to do with terrorism but based on the Patriot Act. Then maybe you'll realize what's worth a fight. jps, pay attention: "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998 Does your heart good, doesn't it? Now, have you been fishing or boating at all this year? Do you own a boat? Do you think you are engaging in intelligent conversation? John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD |
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JohnH wrote:
Harry, are you going to sell your boat(s)? It would provide a sizeable donation and, in your estimation, do a lot to help get the country on the track you desire - socialism. If you decide to sell, please let me know. My boats are always "for sale," John, since I'm always looking forward to the next one. Sure wish you had been around during Vietnam. I was. I could have used some of the money to help me fund my R&R. Have you considered going to an airport and buying a soldier a ticket? No? Any soldier returning home for leave from the battlefield should have his ticket paid for by Uncle Sam, courtesy of the US taxpayers. Why should a soldier have to pay his way home for leave from a war zone? -- Email sent to is never read. |
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Sorry, but it is my position that the U.S. taxpayers ought to pick up the tab for back-home leave for soldiers risking their lives in a war zone. Ask not what.............................................. ................. |
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JohnH wrote:
jps, pay attention: "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998 What's your point here, John? Such letters are written and signed every single day by every member of Congree for every possible reason. Besides, Bush invaded Iraq for reasons connected to 9-11, or so he claimed at the time, plus a handful of other reasons that proved equally fallacious. Now, I see, Bush is bowing to reality and is planning to skip out of "running" Iraq just before the fall elections. So. we'll have *ANOTHER* Bush president who failed to resolve the serious issues of Iraq. About that time, Americans are going to be asked whether they are better off than they were four years ago. For most, the answer will be a resounding no. C.f. this piece which ran in the NY Times yesterday and was syndicated today to hundreds of hometown newspapers: For Middle Class, Health Insurance Becomes a Luxury DALLAS The last time Kevin Thornton had health insurance was three years ago, which was not much of a problem until he began having trouble swallowing. "I broke down earlier this year and went in and talked to a doctor about it," said Mr. Thornton, who lives in Sherman, about 60 miles north of Dallas. A barium X-ray cost him $130, and the radiologist another $70, expenses he charged to his credit cards. The doctor ordered other tests that Mr. Thornton simply could not afford. "I was supposed to go back after the X-ray results came, but I decided just to live with it for a while," he said. "I may just be a walking time bomb." Mr. Thornton, 41, left a stable job with good health coverage in 1998 for a higher salary at a dot-com company that went bust a few months later. Since then, he has worked on contract for various companies, including one that provided insurance until the project ended in 2000. "I failed to keep up the payments that would have been required to maintain my coverage," he said. "It was just too much money." Mr. Thornton is one of more than 43 million people in the United States who lack health insurance, and their numbers are rapidly increasing because of ever soaring cost and job losses. Many states, including Texas, are also cutting back on subsidies for health care, further increasing the number of people with no coverage. The majority of the uninsured are neither poor by official standards nor unemployed. They are accountants like Mr. Thornton, employees of small businesses, civil servants, single working mothers and those working part time or on contract. "Now it's hitting people who look like you and me, dress like you and me, drive nice cars and live in nice houses but can't afford $1,000 a month for health insurance for their families," said R. King Hillier, director of legislative relations for Harris County, which includes Houston. *Paying for health insurance is becoming a middle-class problem, and not just here. "After paying for health insurance, you take home less than minimum wage," says a poster in New York City subways sponsored by Working Today, a nonprofit agency that offers health insurance to independent contractors in New York. "Welcome to middle-class poverty." *In Southern California, 70,000 supermarket workers have been on strike for five weeks over plans to cut their health benefits.* The insurance crisis is especially visible in Texas, which has the highest proportion of uninsured in the country almost one in every four residents. The state has a large population of immigrants; its labor market is dominated by low-wage service sector jobs, and it has a higher than average number of small businesses, which are less likely to provide health benefits because they pay higher insurance costs than large companies. State cuts to subsidies for health insurance to help close a $10 billion budget gap will cost the state $500 million in federal matching money and are expected to further spur the rise in uninsured. In September, for example, more than half a million children enrolled in a state- and federal-subsidized insurance program lost dental, vision and most mental care coverage, and some 169,000 children will lose all insurance by 2005. "These were tough economic times that the legislature was dealing with, and the governor believed in setting the tone for the legislative session that the government must operate the way Texas families do and Texas businesses do and live within its means," said Kathy Walt, spokeswoman for Gov. Rick Perry. She noted that the legislature raised spending on health and human services by $1 billion this year, and that lawmakers passed two bills intended to make it easier for small businesses to provide health insurance for their employees. Those measures, however, will not help Theresa Pardo or other Texas residents like her who have to make tough choices about medical care they need but cannot afford. Ms. Pardo, a 29-year-old from Houston, said that having no insurance meant choosing between buying an inhaler for her 9-year-old asthmatic daughter or buying her a birthday present. The girl, Morgan, lost her state-subsidized insurance last month, and now her mother must pay $80 instead of $5 for the inhaler. Rent, car payments and insurance, day care and utilities cost Ms. Pardo more than $1,200 a month, leaving less than $200 for food, gas and other expenses. So even though her employer, the Harris County government, provides her with low-cost insurance, she cannot afford the $275 a month she would have to pay to add her daughter to her plan. When Morgan's dentist recently wanted to pull a tooth, Ms. Pardo hesitated. The tooth extraction proceeded, but: "I had to ask him, if you pull this tooth, will it cause other problems? Because if it does, I can't afford to deal with them." Lorenda Stevenson said her choice was between buying medicine to treat patches of peeling, flaking skin on her hands, arms and face and making sure her son could continue his after-school tennis program. "There's no way I will cut that out unless we don't have money for food," she said. Mrs. Stevenson's husband, Bill, lost his management job at WorldCom two years ago, when an accounting scandal forced the company into bankruptcy. They managed to pay $900 a month for Cobra, the government policy that allows workers to continue their coverage after they lose their jobs, but when the cost rose to $1,200, they could no longer afford it. When their son, a ninth grader, needed a physical and shot to take tennis, Mrs. Stevenson turned to the Rockwall Area Health Clinic, a nonprofit clinic in Rockwall, a city of 13,000 northeast of Dallas. The clinic charged her $20 instead of the $400 she estimated she would have paid at the doctor's office. "I sat filling out the paperwork and crying," she said, tears streaming down her face. "I was so embarrassed to bring him here." A salve to treat her skin condition costs $27, and she pays roughly $50 a month for medications for high blood pressure and hormones. She does without medication she needs for acid reflux, treating the conditions sporadically with samples from the clinic. Carol Johnston cannot afford even doctor visits. A single mother in Houston, she lost her job in health care administration in May and said she was still unemployed despite filling out 500 to 600 applications and attending countless job fairs. Cobra would have cost $214 a month, or more than one-fifth of the $1,028 in unemployment she gets a month. As it is, her monthly bills for rent, car, utilities and phone exceed her income. She got a 12-month deferral on her student loans, and Ford pushed her car payments back by two months. The Johnstons rely on television for entertainment and almost never use air-conditioning, despite Houston's muggy, hot climate. Now Ms. Johnston's 16-year-old son is losing the portion of his insurance that covered treatment for his learning and emotional disabilities because of state cutbacks. Ms. Johnston herself does not qualify for Medicaid, the government insurance program for the indigent, because her income is too high, the same reason she qualifies for only $10 a month in food stamps. "I worry, I worry so much about making sure my son is safe," she said. As for her own health, Ms. Johnston has two cysts in one breast and three in another but has had only one aspirated because she cannot afford to check on the others. "Do I have to move to Iraq to get help?" she asked. "They have $87 billion for folks over there," she said, referring to money Congress allocated for military operations and rebuilding. Experts warn that allowing health problems to fester is only going to increase the costs of health care for the uninsured. "As Americans, when are we going to realize it's cheaper to save them on the front end than when they get cancer and show up in the emergency room?" said Sandra B. Thurman, executive director of PediPlace, a nonprofit health clinic in Lewisville, Tex. Many hospitals and neighborhood clinics here say that the well-heeled are now joining the poor in seeking their care. Emergency rooms are particularly hard hit, since federal law requires them to treat anyone who walks through their doors for emergency treatment, regardless of whether they can pay. Public hospital emergency rooms are even harder hit, since private hospitals will move quickly to shift uninsured patients to them. And clinics for the poor are also seeing an increase in demand. A clinic run by Central Dallas Ministries charges patients $5 for a doctor visit, $10 for medication and $15 if laboratory work is needed, but often settles for no payment from many of the 3,500 patients it treats each year. "I'm not real optimistic it will get a lot better," said Larry Morris James, executive director of Central Dallas Ministries. "Demographic and economic trends tell you that it's probably going to get worse." For Irma Arellano, the problem has already hit home. Mrs. Arellano is a secretary in the Royse school district northeast of Dallas, which provides her health insurance for $35 a month but offers no discounts for her three children or husband. Two years ago, the Arellanos paid $269 a month to insure the family. The price jumped last year to $339 and this year to $780, more than their monthly mortgage payment. Her husband works for a small landscaping company that does not offer insurance. So Mrs. Arellano is insured, but her husband, Jose, and their three children Jackie, 16; Joe, 15; and Anthony, 13 are going without insurance. The Arellanos' income, which ranges from $2,800 to $3,200 a month, makes them ineligible for state-subsidized insurance. Their basic expenses run $2,000 a month or more. "I'm one of those people in the middle," Mrs. Arellano said. "We don't make enough to pay for insurance ourselves, but we make too much to qualify for CHIP," the government-subsidized program for children. So her children were recently at the Rockwall clinic for the physicals they need to participate in after-school sports, paying $25 instead of the $100 or more Mrs. Arellano would have paid at the doctor's office. The family has catastrophic insurance, but Mrs. Arellano is uncertain how much longer she can afford it. Mr. Arellano's income typically drops in the winter, and his wife is hoping the children will then qualify for the state insurance program. Even so, newly initiated regulations require families to reapply for the insurance every six months, rather than once a year, so they are not likely to qualify for long. "I'll take what I can get," Mrs. Arellano said. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Under Bush, the middle class is becoming the impoverished class. Are we better off than we were four years ago? No. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:40:53 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote: Harry, are you going to sell your boat(s)? It would provide a sizeable donation and, in your estimation, do a lot to help get the country on the track you desire - socialism. If you decide to sell, please let me know. My boats are always "for sale," John, since I'm always looking forward to the next one. Sure wish you had been around during Vietnam. I was. I could have used some of the money to help me fund my R&R. Have you considered going to an airport and buying a soldier a ticket? No? Any soldier returning home for leave from the battlefield should have his ticket paid for by Uncle Sam, courtesy of the US taxpayers. Why should a soldier have to pay his way home for leave from a war zone? As a soldier, I never considered a difference between going on leave from a combat zone or going on leave from a non-combat zone. I chose to take the leave, I chose to go where I went, and I made the choice knowing I'd pay for it. There were a whole lot of things the government could have paid for. Thermarest mattresses are great in a field environment, but the Army didn't buy me one. I love my little maglites, but the Army didn't buy me one. In Vietnam I had to fund my own Kabar knife. I was an engineer, and the Army wouldn't buy me one. I could go on, but you should be getting the point. Now, I have tried not to call any names, and I answered this only because you asked a question. I'm going to try to be good, so don't feel a need to respond to this. John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD |
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JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:40:53 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: Harry, are you going to sell your boat? Are you making an offer here? -- Email sent to is never read. |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:29:08 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote: On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:40:53 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: Harry, are you going to sell your boat? Are you making an offer here? Gotta see what my tax situation is first. If my tax cut is big enough, I may have to spend the money on a new boat, thus keeping unemployment to a minimum. If, however, the tax cut is too small, or deleted, or wisely spent by the government on something else, then I'll have to consider selling my boat! John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD |
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"jps" wrote in message ! For one with an ability to argue the point, you certainly give up easily. Thanks, I think. :-) Painting in one room and laying a floor in another today. Only intermittent three minute blocks to play. :-) JG |
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Painting in one room and laying a floor in another today. Only intermittent three minute blocks to play. :-) JG Shouldn't the government be taking care of that for you? |
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"Joe" wrote in message news:1FUtb.63743 Shouldn't the government be taking care of that for you? By God, you're right! I'm entitled! I'll call my junior Senator, Candidate Kerry! BTW..... did you see Kerry and his "Dukakis Moment" last week on Leno? I missed it, but my wife tells me it was something to see. Dean can have that rebel-flag-on-the-pickup vote -- our boy is going for the scuff-leather-chain-beater-open-pipe-kick-ass-hard-tail-fat-bob vote. It's over! |
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