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Butch Ammon July 17th 03 04:43 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
Hello there...

Well, the fateful day is fast approaching. You all know I have that old beatup
'87 Ford Ranger 4x4 (hey it's old, dinged, scratched - but it has
character!)...

My old Ranger has 139,000 miles, automatic tranny is messing up, it's got a
hole in the muffler, the A/C unit hasn't worked in 6-7 years, and just now it
developed a hairline stress fracture in the right side front brake rotor. I
refuse to pay $300+ bucks to get new brake rotors - because it's a 4x4 and the
labor is a killer.

Anyway, I desperately need a new pickup truck, and one with power to tow my
boat with. I absolutely refuse to get a new truck. I mean, I won't even look
at a 2003 Chevy, Ford, Dodge at around $35,000 only to drive it off the dealer
lot and have it worth $28,000 or thereabouts.

My wife and I have a 99 GMC Jimmy 4x4 which is really nice, but doesn't have a
trailer hitch for the boat. We also bought our daughters a 98 Chevy Cavalier
for them to share and run around town, go to work, and drive it to school in
September, etc... We just have to get something for ME!

I test drove a base model 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 pickup the other day, 5
speed standard, very nice and has a class III hitch on the back. $11,950 is
the price. I like it a lot, except that it is a 5 speed manual transmission.

What is a very, very, reliable, pickup truck that has cajones to pull a 2100
boat? Thanks for all the help, suggestions, opinions, etc...

Butch Ammon

Doug Kanter July 17th 03 05:10 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
Toyota. I was just at my dealer's yesterday and mentioned to the salesperson
I dealt with that a friend was looking for a used Toyota pickup. She said
there were quite a few program vehicles around, from the leasing madness of
the past couple of years. Check your local Toyota dealer. Tacomas have a
pretty beefy V6, and Tundras have a V8.

As a side benefit, Toyota uses actual instruments to design and measure
engine manufacturing tolerances, instead of plastic kindergarten rulers like
the American manufacturers. 5, 8, 10 yrs down the line, your motor won't be
choking the drivers behind you, or YOU, as you work with your trailer
downwind from the truck.
-Doug


"Butch Ammon" wrote in message
...
Hello there...

Well, the fateful day is fast approaching. You all know I have that old

beatup
'87 Ford Ranger 4x4 (hey it's old, dinged, scratched - but it has
character!)...

My old Ranger has 139,000 miles, automatic tranny is messing up, it's got

a
hole in the muffler, the A/C unit hasn't worked in 6-7 years, and just now

it
developed a hairline stress fracture in the right side front brake rotor.

I
refuse to pay $300+ bucks to get new brake rotors - because it's a 4x4 and

the
labor is a killer.

Anyway, I desperately need a new pickup truck, and one with power to tow

my
boat with. I absolutely refuse to get a new truck. I mean, I won't even

look
at a 2003 Chevy, Ford, Dodge at around $35,000 only to drive it off the

dealer
lot and have it worth $28,000 or thereabouts.

My wife and I have a 99 GMC Jimmy 4x4 which is really nice, but doesn't

have a
trailer hitch for the boat. We also bought our daughters a 98 Chevy

Cavalier
for them to share and run around town, go to work, and drive it to school

in
September, etc... We just have to get something for ME!

I test drove a base model 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 pickup the other day,

5
speed standard, very nice and has a class III hitch on the back. $11,950

is
the price. I like it a lot, except that it is a 5 speed manual

transmission.

What is a very, very, reliable, pickup truck that has cajones to pull a

2100
boat? Thanks for all the help, suggestions, opinions, etc...

Butch Ammon




Ignoramus30093 July 17th 03 05:25 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
In article , Butch Ammon wrote:
Hello there...

Well, the fateful day is fast approaching. You all know I have that old beatup
'87 Ford Ranger 4x4 (hey it's old, dinged, scratched - but it has
character!)...

My old Ranger has 139,000 miles, automatic tranny is messing up,
it's got a hole in the muffler, the A/C unit hasn't worked in 6-7


You know, I myself never use the A/C.

years, and just now it developed a hairline stress fracture in the
right side front brake rotor. I refuse to pay $300+ bucks to get
new brake rotors - because it's a 4x4 and the labor is a killer.


To get new brake rotors should cost you about $60. You can replace
them yourself in less than an hour.

I replaced brake pads and took rotors for turning ($10 apiece) and
then put them back, took me a little more than an hour of work, but it
was about -5degrees F in the garage. In summer it should be easier.


Anyway, I desperately need a new pickup truck, and one with power to
tow my boat with. I absolutely refuse to get a new truck. I mean,
I won't even look at a 2003 Chevy, Ford, Dodge at around $35,000
only to drive it off the dealer lot and have it worth $28,000 or
thereabouts.

My wife and I have a 99 GMC Jimmy 4x4 which is really nice, but
doesn't have a trailer hitch for the boat.


easy to install at any dealer... not expensive also...

I have a dodge ram truck and I plan to drive it until it dies more or
less...


i

Joe July 17th 03 05:49 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Toyota. I was just at my dealer's yesterday and mentioned to the

salesperson
I dealt with that a friend was looking for a used Toyota pickup. She said
there were quite a few program vehicles around, from the leasing madness

of
the past couple of years. Check your local Toyota dealer. Tacomas have a
pretty beefy V6, and Tundras have a V8.

As a side benefit, Toyota uses actual instruments to design and measure
engine manufacturing tolerances, instead of plastic kindergarten rulers

like
the American manufacturers. 5, 8, 10 yrs down the line, your motor won't

be
choking the drivers behind you, or YOU, as you work with your trailer
downwind from the truck.
-Doug


Hey! We actually agree on something other than guns!

Nothing like a Toyota.




GAZ July 17th 03 05:54 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
My brother in law uses his 95 dodge diesel to deliver travel trailers. It
now has 800,000 miles on it. He didn't pull the head until 614,000 miles.
Find a good used Dodge diesel. I've got 121,000 on my 98 with no major
problems.
Gordon
"Ignoramus30093" wrote in message
a.com...
In article , Butch Ammon

wrote:
Hello there...

Well, the fateful day is fast approaching. You all know I have that old

beatup
'87 Ford Ranger 4x4 (hey it's old, dinged, scratched - but it has
character!)...

My old Ranger has 139,000 miles, automatic tranny is messing up,
it's got a hole in the muffler, the A/C unit hasn't worked in 6-7


You know, I myself never use the A/C.

years, and just now it developed a hairline stress fracture in the
right side front brake rotor. I refuse to pay $300+ bucks to get
new brake rotors - because it's a 4x4 and the labor is a killer.


To get new brake rotors should cost you about $60. You can replace
them yourself in less than an hour.

I replaced brake pads and took rotors for turning ($10 apiece) and
then put them back, took me a little more than an hour of work, but it
was about -5degrees F in the garage. In summer it should be easier.


Anyway, I desperately need a new pickup truck, and one with power to
tow my boat with. I absolutely refuse to get a new truck. I mean,
I won't even look at a 2003 Chevy, Ford, Dodge at around $35,000
only to drive it off the dealer lot and have it worth $28,000 or
thereabouts.

My wife and I have a 99 GMC Jimmy 4x4 which is really nice, but
doesn't have a trailer hitch for the boat.


easy to install at any dealer... not expensive also...

I have a dodge ram truck and I plan to drive it until it dies more or
less...


i




JohnH July 17th 03 06:03 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
On 17 Jul 2003 15:43:00 GMT, 123 (Butch Ammon) wrote:

Hello there...

Well, the fateful day is fast approaching. You all know I have that old beatup
'87 Ford Ranger 4x4 (hey it's old, dinged, scratched - but it has
character!)...

My old Ranger has 139,000 miles, automatic tranny is messing up, it's got a
hole in the muffler, the A/C unit hasn't worked in 6-7 years, and just now it
developed a hairline stress fracture in the right side front brake rotor. I
refuse to pay $300+ bucks to get new brake rotors - because it's a 4x4 and the
labor is a killer.

Anyway, I desperately need a new pickup truck, and one with power to tow my
boat with. I absolutely refuse to get a new truck. I mean, I won't even look
at a 2003 Chevy, Ford, Dodge at around $35,000 only to drive it off the dealer
lot and have it worth $28,000 or thereabouts.

My wife and I have a 99 GMC Jimmy 4x4 which is really nice, but doesn't have a
trailer hitch for the boat. We also bought our daughters a 98 Chevy Cavalier
for them to share and run around town, go to work, and drive it to school in
September, etc... We just have to get something for ME!

I test drove a base model 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 pickup the other day, 5
speed standard, very nice and has a class III hitch on the back. $11,950 is
the price. I like it a lot, except that it is a 5 speed manual transmission.

What is a very, very, reliable, pickup truck that has cajones to pull a 2100
boat? Thanks for all the help, suggestions, opinions, etc...

Butch Ammon

I have a 1500 with a 5 speed and love it! It is a 2wd but with the clutch I can
go where 4wd automatics fear to tread. First gear is a 'granny' gear and would
probably pull the Titanic up a boat ramp. The only problem I've had is rear
wheel traction on a ramp when I first got the boat. Turns out the boat wasn't
matched to the trailer properly. After getting the tongue weight where it should
be, I've had no problems.

Good luck!

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

Ignoramus30093 July 17th 03 06:03 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
In article , GAZ wrote:
My brother in law uses his 95 dodge diesel to deliver travel trailers. It
now has 800,000 miles on it. He didn't pull the head until 614,000 miles.
Find a good used Dodge diesel. I've got 121,000 on my 98


What kind of tranny does he have? Is it a 2500 or 3500?

i

with no major
problems.
Gordon
"Ignoramus30093" wrote in message
a.com...
In article , Butch Ammon

wrote:
Hello there...

Well, the fateful day is fast approaching. You all know I have that old

beatup
'87 Ford Ranger 4x4 (hey it's old, dinged, scratched - but it has
character!)...

My old Ranger has 139,000 miles, automatic tranny is messing up,
it's got a hole in the muffler, the A/C unit hasn't worked in 6-7


You know, I myself never use the A/C.

years, and just now it developed a hairline stress fracture in the
right side front brake rotor. I refuse to pay $300+ bucks to get
new brake rotors - because it's a 4x4 and the labor is a killer.


To get new brake rotors should cost you about $60. You can replace
them yourself in less than an hour.

I replaced brake pads and took rotors for turning ($10 apiece) and
then put them back, took me a little more than an hour of work, but it
was about -5degrees F in the garage. In summer it should be easier.


Anyway, I desperately need a new pickup truck, and one with power to
tow my boat with. I absolutely refuse to get a new truck. I mean,
I won't even look at a 2003 Chevy, Ford, Dodge at around $35,000
only to drive it off the dealer lot and have it worth $28,000 or
thereabouts.

My wife and I have a 99 GMC Jimmy 4x4 which is really nice, but
doesn't have a trailer hitch for the boat.


easy to install at any dealer... not expensive also...

I have a dodge ram truck and I plan to drive it until it dies more or
less...


i




Ignoramus30093 July 17th 03 06:12 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
In article , JohnH wrote:
On 17 Jul 2003 15:43:00 GMT, 123 (Butch Ammon) wrote:

Hello there...

Well, the fateful day is fast approaching. You all know I have that old beatup
'87 Ford Ranger 4x4 (hey it's old, dinged, scratched - but it has
character!)...

My old Ranger has 139,000 miles, automatic tranny is messing up, it's got a
hole in the muffler, the A/C unit hasn't worked in 6-7 years, and just now it
developed a hairline stress fracture in the right side front brake rotor. I
refuse to pay $300+ bucks to get new brake rotors - because it's a 4x4 and the
labor is a killer.

Anyway, I desperately need a new pickup truck, and one with power to tow my
boat with. I absolutely refuse to get a new truck. I mean, I won't even look
at a 2003 Chevy, Ford, Dodge at around $35,000 only to drive it off the dealer
lot and have it worth $28,000 or thereabouts.

My wife and I have a 99 GMC Jimmy 4x4 which is really nice, but doesn't have a
trailer hitch for the boat. We also bought our daughters a 98 Chevy Cavalier
for them to share and run around town, go to work, and drive it to school in
September, etc... We just have to get something for ME!

I test drove a base model 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 pickup the other day, 5
speed standard, very nice and has a class III hitch on the back. $11,950 is
the price. I like it a lot, except that it is a 5 speed manual transmission.

What is a very, very, reliable, pickup truck that has cajones to pull a 2100
boat? Thanks for all the help, suggestions, opinions, etc...

Butch Ammon

I have a 1500 with a 5 speed and love it! It is a 2wd but with the clutch I can
go where 4wd automatics fear to tread. First gear is a 'granny' gear and would
probably pull the Titanic up a boat ramp. The only problem I've had is rear
wheel traction on a ramp when I first got the boat. Turns out the boat wasn't
matched to the trailer properly. After getting the tongue weight where it should
be, I've had no problems.

Good luck!

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD


with a 4wd, I am sure I can pull a boat out of more (and worse) ramps
than your 2wd... Saw too many 2wd trucks spin their wheels
desperately, people sitting in the truck beds for traction, etc etc
etc.

Getting a 2wd for boat towing is a mistake.

i

Gregg H July 17th 03 06:35 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
"$11,950 is" Alot of money to replace a truck that only needs a
little work. I say "it's cheaper to keep her". first find a new shop if
you can't do the job yourself. (auto trannies are the only thing I can't
rebuild myself). take 1/4 of that money you want to give away and fix
the old one. (My opinion)

Ignoramus30093 July 17th 03 07:09 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
In article , JohnH wrote:
On 17 Jul 2003 17:12:00 GMT, Ignoramus30093
wrote:

In article , JohnH wrote:
On 17 Jul 2003 15:43:00 GMT, 123 (Butch Ammon) wrote:

Hello there...

Well, the fateful day is fast approaching. You all know I have that old beatup
'87 Ford Ranger 4x4 (hey it's old, dinged, scratched - but it has
character!)...

My old Ranger has 139,000 miles, automatic tranny is messing up, it's got a
hole in the muffler, the A/C unit hasn't worked in 6-7 years, and just now it
developed a hairline stress fracture in the right side front brake rotor. I
refuse to pay $300+ bucks to get new brake rotors - because it's a 4x4 and the
labor is a killer.

Anyway, I desperately need a new pickup truck, and one with power to tow my
boat with. I absolutely refuse to get a new truck. I mean, I won't even look
at a 2003 Chevy, Ford, Dodge at around $35,000 only to drive it off the dealer
lot and have it worth $28,000 or thereabouts.

My wife and I have a 99 GMC Jimmy 4x4 which is really nice, but doesn't have a
trailer hitch for the boat. We also bought our daughters a 98 Chevy Cavalier
for them to share and run around town, go to work, and drive it to school in
September, etc... We just have to get something for ME!

I test drove a base model 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 pickup the other day, 5
speed standard, very nice and has a class III hitch on the back. $11,950 is
the price. I like it a lot, except that it is a 5 speed manual transmission.

What is a very, very, reliable, pickup truck that has cajones to pull a 2100
boat? Thanks for all the help, suggestions, opinions, etc...

Butch Ammon
I have a 1500 with a 5 speed and love it! It is a 2wd but with the clutch I can
go where 4wd automatics fear to tread. First gear is a 'granny' gear and would
probably pull the Titanic up a boat ramp. The only problem I've had is rear
wheel traction on a ramp when I first got the boat. Turns out the boat wasn't
matched to the trailer properly. After getting the tongue weight where it should
be, I've had no problems.

Good luck!

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD


with a 4wd, I am sure I can pull a boat out of more (and worse) ramps
than your 2wd... Saw too many 2wd trucks spin their wheels
desperately, people sitting in the truck beds for traction, etc etc
etc.

Getting a 2wd for boat towing is a mistake.


I'm sure you can! On one occasions I had a couple guys jump in the
back of my truck. That occasion was well worth the thousands I saved
on my two wheel drive purchase, and the savings on gas, maintenance,
etc. I have a much smoother ride than the 4WD model has. I'm not
putting your 4WD down. I'm sure it's a great truck. I've had mine
for 8 years now, and only once did I wish I had the 4WD model.


Wow. I need 4wd a lot. For example: our driveway has a little bit of
incline, not much but substantial.

I drive into our garage back first. On many winter days, the only way
I can drive up that way is with a 4wd engaged.

Or, when I push my boat into my driveway going backwards, I need to
drive on my lawn occasionally. In such nistances, I also engage 4wd or
the real wheels would tear the grass out.

Pulling boats is very easy with 4wd.

Once I decided to cross a grassy median on a split highway, and got
stuck in the mud. With 2wd, I would be in deep doodoo and would get a
ticket. With 4wd, I just drove out of it (barely).

I am not into "offroading", meaning going where I am not supposed to
go. But 4wd is necessary for me personally.

i

JohnH July 17th 03 07:54 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
On 17 Jul 2003 18:09:49 GMT, Ignoramus30093
wrote:

In article , JohnH wrote:
On 17 Jul 2003 17:12:00 GMT, Ignoramus30093
wrote:

Much snipped.

Wow. I need 4wd a lot. For example: our driveway has a little bit of
incline, not much but substantial.

I drive into our garage back first. On many winter days, the only way
I can drive up that way is with a 4wd engaged.

Or, when I push my boat into my driveway going backwards, I need to
drive on my lawn occasionally. In such nistances, I also engage 4wd or
the real wheels would tear the grass out.

Pulling boats is very easy with 4wd.

Once I decided to cross a grassy median on a split highway, and got
stuck in the mud. With 2wd, I would be in deep doodoo and would get a
ticket. With 4wd, I just drove out of it (barely).

I am not into "offroading", meaning going where I am not supposed to
go. But 4wd is necessary for me personally.


Where do you live? I'm in the Wash DC area, and Butch is in Richmond. Not too
hilly around here, although I have seen some pretty steep driveways.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

Ignoramus30093 July 17th 03 08:41 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
In article , JohnH wrote:
On 17 Jul 2003 18:09:49 GMT, Ignoramus30093
wrote:

In article , JohnH wrote:
On 17 Jul 2003 17:12:00 GMT, Ignoramus30093
wrote:

Much snipped.

Wow. I need 4wd a lot. For example: our driveway has a little bit of
incline, not much but substantial.

I drive into our garage back first. On many winter days, the only way
I can drive up that way is with a 4wd engaged.

Or, when I push my boat into my driveway going backwards, I need to
drive on my lawn occasionally. In such nistances, I also engage 4wd or
the real wheels would tear the grass out.

Pulling boats is very easy with 4wd.

Once I decided to cross a grassy median on a split highway, and got
stuck in the mud. With 2wd, I would be in deep doodoo and would get a
ticket. With 4wd, I just drove out of it (barely).

I am not into "offroading", meaning going where I am not supposed to
go. But 4wd is necessary for me personally.


Where do you live? I'm in the Wash DC area, and Butch is in Richmond. Not too
hilly around here, although I have seen some pretty steep driveways.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD


I live in northern IL. Myt driveway is not very steep actually, but it
is slippery hen fresh snow falls.

i

Butch Ammon July 18th 03 03:00 AM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
Good evening and thanks for all the replies....

To Igor, Gregg, and others: The brake rotors and stuff on the old Ranger is a
major B*TCH... Trust me... I pulled them once and vowed to never ever do it
again. It's got the electronic 4x4 with all those cam assemblies and needle
thrust bearings and other components. You have disassemble all that stuff to
get the brake rotors off. Besides all that, the tranny chatters when trying to
accelerate fast on the highway. If I get stuck in bumper-bumper traffic, the
front brakes get hot and cause the front bearings to start stinking. Trust
me... I checked "Kelly Blue Book" on the internet and honestly entered the
info about my Ranger. An '87 Ranger 4x4 with 139,000 in fair condition
displayed a resale value of "NONE"!!!!!!!!!! I wanted to die when I saw that!

......SO ANYWAY......

It's a done deal. I kissed my old beloved '87 Ford Ranger 4x4 Supercab goodbye
this evening after dinner.

......Drum roll please.....

I decided to get the 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 shortbed with the 4.8L Vortec V8
engine. They gave me $500 for the Ranger and I plunked down another $500 to
the Silverado. Then I purchased an extended 24 month, 24000 mile warranty.

This truck is sweet!!! That 1st gear is one low torque SOB too. I could get
outside and walk alongside the Silverado! ha ha ha ha.... Man, there is a
major difference between the Ford 2.9L V6 and the Chevy 4.8L V8!!!!!! Now I
finally have a truck with an engine that is bigger than my boat - not the other
way around! ha ha ha...

Butch Ammon

Steven Shelikoff July 18th 03 03:31 AM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
On 17 Jul 2003 15:43:00 GMT, 123 (Butch Ammon) wrote:

Hello there...

Well, the fateful day is fast approaching. You all know I have that old beatup
'87 Ford Ranger 4x4 (hey it's old, dinged, scratched - but it has
character!)...

My old Ranger has 139,000 miles, automatic tranny is messing up, it's got a
hole in the muffler, the A/C unit hasn't worked in 6-7 years, and just now it
developed a hairline stress fracture in the right side front brake rotor. I
refuse to pay $300+ bucks to get new brake rotors - because it's a 4x4 and the
labor is a killer.

Anyway, I desperately need a new pickup truck, and one with power to tow my
boat with. I absolutely refuse to get a new truck. I mean, I won't even look
at a 2003 Chevy, Ford, Dodge at around $35,000 only to drive it off the dealer
lot and have it worth $28,000 or thereabouts.

My wife and I have a 99 GMC Jimmy 4x4 which is really nice, but doesn't have a
trailer hitch for the boat. We also bought our daughters a 98 Chevy Cavalier
for them to share and run around town, go to work, and drive it to school in
September, etc... We just have to get something for ME!


Why not just put a hitch on the Jimmy and replace the Ranger with a car?
The Jimmy is probably just as capable a tow vehicle as the Ranger was.
Or do you really need a pickup for something other than towing your
boat?

Steve

Butch Ammon July 18th 03 12:32 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
Mucho Congrats amigo on the new tow'er!! Glad you are mucho happy!!!!!!!
Best wishes and hope for many years of good Service :-)

Capt Jack R..

ps keep the 165 alive :-)


Thanks, Capt Jack! Now I feel "balanced" I guess I could say. Now I have a
powerful truck that is a Chevy. The old boat (Lady J) with the 165hp
Mercruiser, technically is a Chevy small block 250cu. So, I have a "Chevy
pulling a Chevy" kind of thing. Ha ha ha.... I think someone told me that the
old Chevy 250cu mathmatically equates to a modern day 4.1L inline 6. So the
engine in the boat is way bigger than the small 2.9L in the old Ranger.

When I woke up this morning, and grabbed some coffee, I looked out my window
and saw the new(er) Chevy Silverado sitting out front. It made me kind of miss
my old '87 Ford Ranger. I mean, I drove the **** out of that Ranger for
decades. But, it's time has come and would cost way more than it's worth to
fix it up.

Well, I gotta get offline here and head into work..... Happy boating!

Butch Ammon

maxx July 18th 03 03:54 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
Jack Redington wrote in message ...
Butch Ammon wrote:

Good evening and thanks for all the replies....

To Igor, Gregg, and others: The brake rotors and stuff on the old Ranger is a
major B*TCH... Trust me... I pulled them once and vowed to never ever do it
again. It's got the electronic 4x4 with all those cam assemblies and needle
thrust bearings and other components. You have disassemble all that stuff to
get the brake rotors off. Besides all that, the tranny chatters when trying to
accelerate fast on the highway. If I get stuck in bumper-bumper traffic, the
front brakes get hot and cause the front bearings to start stinking. Trust
me... I checked "Kelly Blue Book" on the internet and honestly entered the
info about my Ranger. An '87 Ranger 4x4 with 139,000 in fair condition
displayed a resale value of "NONE"!!!!!!!!!! I wanted to die when I saw that!

.....SO ANYWAY......

It's a done deal. I kissed my old beloved '87 Ford Ranger 4x4 Supercab goodbye
this evening after dinner.

.....Drum roll please.....

I decided to get the 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 shortbed with the 4.8L Vortec V8
engine. They gave me $500 for the Ranger and I plunked down another $500 to
the Silverado. Then I purchased an extended 24 month, 24000 mile warranty.

This truck is sweet!!! That 1st gear is one low torque SOB too. I could get
outside and walk alongside the Silverado! ha ha ha ha.... Man, there is a
major difference between the Ford 2.9L V6 and the Chevy 4.8L V8!!!!!! Now I
finally have a truck with an engine that is bigger than my boat - not the other
way around! ha ha ha...

Butch Ammon

Mucho Congrats amigo on the new tow'er!! Glad you are mucho happy!!!!!!!
Best wishes and hope for many years of good Service :-)

Capt Jack R..

ps keep the 165 alive :-)


need advice.

Doug Kanter July 18th 03 04:18 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
"Joe" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Toyota. I was just at my dealer's yesterday and mentioned to the

salesperson
I dealt with that a friend was looking for a used Toyota pickup. She

said
there were quite a few program vehicles around, from the leasing madness

of
the past couple of years. Check your local Toyota dealer. Tacomas have a
pretty beefy V6, and Tundras have a V8.

As a side benefit, Toyota uses actual instruments to design and measure
engine manufacturing tolerances, instead of plastic kindergarten rulers

like
the American manufacturers. 5, 8, 10 yrs down the line, your motor won't

be
choking the drivers behind you, or YOU, as you work with your trailer
downwind from the truck.
-Doug


Hey! We actually agree on something other than guns!

Nothing like a Toyota.


Yeah, but you probably paid extra to have yours painted pink.



Joe July 18th 03 05:38 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 

Hey! We actually agree on something other than guns!

Nothing like a Toyota.


Yeah, but you probably paid extra to have yours painted pink.


I have one socialist berating me for once being a lowly auto mechanic, and
now you insinuating that I'm gay.
(not that there's anything wrong with that)

You liberals sure think and act differently when nobody's looking.



Doug Kanter July 18th 03 06:57 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
"Joe" wrote in message
...

Hey! We actually agree on something other than guns!

Nothing like a Toyota.


Yeah, but you probably paid extra to have yours painted pink.


I have one socialist berating me for once being a lowly auto mechanic, and
now you insinuating that I'm gay.
(not that there's anything wrong with that)


Actually, it's logical. You right wing types support all sorts of
totalitarian measures, just like the old leaders of the Soviet Union.
Communists...pinkos....pink! Voila! But, don't take it too seriously. I have
very high regard for car mechanics, or at least the ones I don't want to
shoot. :-)



noah July 18th 03 11:43 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
On 18 Jul 2003 02:00:17 GMT, 123 (Butch Ammon) wrote:

Good evening and thanks for all the replies....

To Igor, Gregg, and others: The brake rotors and stuff on the old Ranger is a
major B*TCH... Trust me... I pulled them once and vowed to never ever do it
again. It's got the electronic 4x4 with all those cam assemblies and needle
thrust bearings and other components. You have disassemble all that stuff to
get the brake rotors off. Besides all that, the tranny chatters when trying to
accelerate fast on the highway. If I get stuck in bumper-bumper traffic, the
front brakes get hot and cause the front bearings to start stinking. Trust
me... I checked "Kelly Blue Book" on the internet and honestly entered the
info about my Ranger. An '87 Ranger 4x4 with 139,000 in fair condition
displayed a resale value of "NONE"!!!!!!!!!! I wanted to die when I saw that!

.....SO ANYWAY......

It's a done deal. I kissed my old beloved '87 Ford Ranger 4x4 Supercab goodbye
this evening after dinner.

.....Drum roll please.....

I decided to get the 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 shortbed with the 4.8L Vortec V8
engine. They gave me $500 for the Ranger and I plunked down another $500 to
the Silverado. Then I purchased an extended 24 month, 24000 mile warranty.

This truck is sweet!!! That 1st gear is one low torque SOB too. I could get
outside and walk alongside the Silverado! ha ha ha ha.... Man, there is a
major difference between the Ford 2.9L V6 and the Chevy 4.8L V8!!!!!! Now I
finally have a truck with an engine that is bigger than my boat - not the other
way around! ha ha ha...

Butch Ammon


Congratulations! The 4.8 is a good engine.
You should have no problems towing your boat.
noah

Courtesy of Lee Yeaton,
See the boats of rec.boats
www.TheBayGuide.com/rec.boats

JohnH July 19th 03 02:00 AM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
On 18 Jul 2003 02:00:17 GMT, 123 (Butch Ammon) wrote:

Good evening and thanks for all the replies....

To Igor, Gregg, and others: The brake rotors and stuff on the old Ranger is a
major B*TCH... Trust me... I pulled them once and vowed to never ever do it
again. It's got the electronic 4x4 with all those cam assemblies and needle
thrust bearings and other components. You have disassemble all that stuff to
get the brake rotors off. Besides all that, the tranny chatters when trying to
accelerate fast on the highway. If I get stuck in bumper-bumper traffic, the
front brakes get hot and cause the front bearings to start stinking. Trust
me... I checked "Kelly Blue Book" on the internet and honestly entered the
info about my Ranger. An '87 Ranger 4x4 with 139,000 in fair condition
displayed a resale value of "NONE"!!!!!!!!!! I wanted to die when I saw that!

.....SO ANYWAY......

It's a done deal. I kissed my old beloved '87 Ford Ranger 4x4 Supercab goodbye
this evening after dinner.

.....Drum roll please.....

I decided to get the 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 shortbed with the 4.8L Vortec V8
engine. They gave me $500 for the Ranger and I plunked down another $500 to
the Silverado. Then I purchased an extended 24 month, 24000 mile warranty.

This truck is sweet!!! That 1st gear is one low torque SOB too. I could get
outside and walk alongside the Silverado! ha ha ha ha.... Man, there is a
major difference between the Ford 2.9L V6 and the Chevy 4.8L V8!!!!!! Now I
finally have a truck with an engine that is bigger than my boat - not the other
way around! ha ha ha...

Butch Ammon

Way to go Butch. I knew a Virginia boy would see the light!

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

Jim July 19th 03 02:43 AM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
Butch,

Congrats on the new vehicle. You do know that you'll now have to
find a bigger boat to tow, now that you have all that extra power. :^)

-Jim


Butch Ammon wrote:

removed

.....Drum roll please.....

I decided to get the 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 shortbed with the 4.8L Vortec V8
engine. They gave me $500 for the Ranger and I plunked down another $500 to
the Silverado. Then I purchased an extended 24 month, 24000 mile warranty.

This truck is sweet!!! That 1st gear is one low torque SOB too. I could get
outside and walk alongside the Silverado! ha ha ha ha.... Man, there is a
major difference between the Ford 2.9L V6 and the Chevy 4.8L V8!!!!!! Now I
finally have a truck with an engine that is bigger than my boat - not the other
way around! ha ha ha...

Butch Ammon



Butch Ammon July 19th 03 03:09 AM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
Thanks guys....

I think the owners manual said the Chevy Silverado 1500 can handle 6700 lbs max
towing capacity. My God.... What do they think I'm going to do - tow
somebody's house? Ha ha ha....

One of these days I'll look at a bigger boat. But not too big. I'm still a
freshwater lake boater at heart. A big boat to me is a 21' Crownline or
something with a small cuddy cabin.

Butch Ammon

Bill Stockstill July 21st 03 03:32 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
I bought a 2003 Dodge 1500 Quad Cab (4 full doors) for $22K. Great
truck! LOVE it and I am towing around 4000lbs with the small V8 and no
problems. The new 4 wheel disc brakes are much better then on the
previous style and it has the safest crash test rating (along with the
Toyota full size) of any p/u. With 0% financing and a 7 year powertrain
warranty it was a no brainer.

Best of luck with whatever you buy!

Bill



Butch Ammon wrote:
Hello there...

Well, the fateful day is fast approaching. You all know I have that old beatup
'87 Ford Ranger 4x4 (hey it's old, dinged, scratched - but it has
character!)...

My old Ranger has 139,000 miles, automatic tranny is messing up, it's got a
hole in the muffler, the A/C unit hasn't worked in 6-7 years, and just now it
developed a hairline stress fracture in the right side front brake rotor. I
refuse to pay $300+ bucks to get new brake rotors - because it's a 4x4 and the
labor is a killer.

Anyway, I desperately need a new pickup truck, and one with power to tow my
boat with. I absolutely refuse to get a new truck. I mean, I won't even look
at a 2003 Chevy, Ford, Dodge at around $35,000 only to drive it off the dealer
lot and have it worth $28,000 or thereabouts.

My wife and I have a 99 GMC Jimmy 4x4 which is really nice, but doesn't have a
trailer hitch for the boat. We also bought our daughters a 98 Chevy Cavalier
for them to share and run around town, go to work, and drive it to school in
September, etc... We just have to get something for ME!

I test drove a base model 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 pickup the other day, 5
speed standard, very nice and has a class III hitch on the back. $11,950 is
the price. I like it a lot, except that it is a 5 speed manual transmission.

What is a very, very, reliable, pickup truck that has cajones to pull a 2100
boat? Thanks for all the help, suggestions, opinions, etc...

Butch Ammon



Ignoramus15618 July 21st 03 04:04 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
I have a 1999 Ddge RAM 1500 with a 5.9 engine and I love it. It is
still like new as far as I am concerned and I am hoping that I can
keep it for 10 more years. At which point I will get a 2500 with a
cummins.

I am glad that they replaced the rear drum brakes with disc brakes, the
disk brakes are trivial to replace.

I do all maintenance on my pickup myself, it is very easy due to the
truck being made to be easy to maintain.

No major problems, although I had a few problems during the warranty
periods (speakers on one door failed, power steering return hose eaten
by the pulley).

I hope t hat you do do have the heavy duty package for towing? Tranny
cooler etc?

i

In article , Bill Stockstill wrote:
I bought a 2003 Dodge 1500 Quad Cab (4 full doors) for $22K. Great
truck! LOVE it and I am towing around 4000lbs with the small V8 and no
problems. The new 4 wheel disc brakes are much better then on the
previous style and it has the safest crash test rating (along with the
Toyota full size) of any p/u. With 0% financing and a 7 year powertrain
warranty it was a no brainer.

Best of luck with whatever you buy!

Bill



Butch Ammon wrote:
Hello there...

Well, the fateful day is fast approaching. You all know I have that old beatup
'87 Ford Ranger 4x4 (hey it's old, dinged, scratched - but it has
character!)...

My old Ranger has 139,000 miles, automatic tranny is messing up, it's got a
hole in the muffler, the A/C unit hasn't worked in 6-7 years, and just now it
developed a hairline stress fracture in the right side front brake rotor. I
refuse to pay $300+ bucks to get new brake rotors - because it's a 4x4 and the
labor is a killer.

Anyway, I desperately need a new pickup truck, and one with power to tow my
boat with. I absolutely refuse to get a new truck. I mean, I won't even look
at a 2003 Chevy, Ford, Dodge at around $35,000 only to drive it off the dealer
lot and have it worth $28,000 or thereabouts.

My wife and I have a 99 GMC Jimmy 4x4 which is really nice, but doesn't have a
trailer hitch for the boat. We also bought our daughters a 98 Chevy Cavalier
for them to share and run around town, go to work, and drive it to school in
September, etc... We just have to get something for ME!

I test drove a base model 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 pickup the other day, 5
speed standard, very nice and has a class III hitch on the back. $11,950 is
the price. I like it a lot, except that it is a 5 speed manual transmission.

What is a very, very, reliable, pickup truck that has cajones to pull a 2100
boat? Thanks for all the help, suggestions, opinions, etc...

Butch Ammon



me July 22nd 03 02:59 AM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
While your on the topic, is there a "reasonable" size pickup I can get that
won't make me a partner with Exxon?

I bought a 2003 Dodge 1500 Quad Cab (4 full doors) for $22K. Great
truck! LOVE it and I am towing around 4000lbs with the small V8 and no
problems. The new 4 wheel disc brakes are much better then on the
previous style and it has the safest crash test rating (along with the
Toyota full size) of any p/u. With 0% financing and a 7 year powertrain
warranty it was a no brainer.

Best of luck with whatever you buy!

Bill



Butch Ammon wrote:
Hello there...

Well, the fateful day is fast approaching. You all know I have that old

beatup
'87 Ford Ranger 4x4 (hey it's old, dinged, scratched - but it has
character!)...

My old Ranger has 139,000 miles, automatic tranny is messing up, it's

got a
hole in the muffler, the A/C unit hasn't worked in 6-7 years, and just

now it
developed a hairline stress fracture in the right side front brake

rotor. I
refuse to pay $300+ bucks to get new brake rotors - because it's a 4x4

and the
labor is a killer.

Anyway, I desperately need a new pickup truck, and one with power to tow

my
boat with. I absolutely refuse to get a new truck. I mean, I won't

even look
at a 2003 Chevy, Ford, Dodge at around $35,000 only to drive it off the

dealer
lot and have it worth $28,000 or thereabouts.

My wife and I have a 99 GMC Jimmy 4x4 which is really nice, but doesn't

have a
trailer hitch for the boat. We also bought our daughters a 98 Chevy

Cavalier
for them to share and run around town, go to work, and drive it to

school in
September, etc... We just have to get something for ME!

I test drove a base model 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 pickup the other

day, 5
speed standard, very nice and has a class III hitch on the back.

$11,950 is
the price. I like it a lot, except that it is a 5 speed manual

transmission.

What is a very, very, reliable, pickup truck that has cajones to pull a

2100
boat? Thanks for all the help, suggestions, opinions, etc...

Butch Ammon





Butch Ammon July 22nd 03 12:37 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
While your on the topic, is there a "reasonable" size pickup I can get that
won't make me a partner with Exxon?


What do you mean "reasonable" size pickup? Do you mean my new/used 2000 Chevy
1500 Silverado regular cab, shortbed? Or, do you mean my old 1987 Ford Ranger
4x4 supercab?

Both get about the same gas mileage. One was 4x4, the newer one isn't. One
had a dinky 2.9L V6, the other has a 4.8L V8. One can pull my 2100lb boat
without a problem. The other one cried trying to pull the boat.

Butch Ammon

N.L. Eckert July 22nd 03 02:16 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
Well, Butch, I"ve been pulling a 4500 lb. boat and trailer with a 91
Ford F150 w/5.0 L engine for the past 11 years. It has the 3.55 rear
axle and overdrive. Its the standard size cab and box, wish I had
gotten the extended cab, but the deal was so good, I couldn't pass it
up. It pulls the boat with no problem, gets it out of the hole easily.
I would avoid a manual transmission for trailering , tho. Getting it
out of the ramp is pretty hard on a stick shift & clutch. Now for the
bad news: I"ve had a lot of inordinate problems that shouldn't have
occured in the 80K miles that its been in service. I take very good
care of it and its never outside for very long.
..
Problems: A/C quit just after warranty ran out. Transmission had to
be worked over . Main fuel tank developed a leak. Oil pan developed a
leak. Ball joints had to be replaced. Other irritating things like left
hand turn signal won't cancel. Door lock has stopped working.
The four major problems came to over $3000 in repairs that I felt
shouldn't have happened. Its been a good running drive line, but if I
had it to do over, I"d opt for the GMC. I have friends with GMCs and
haven't put half the money into them and some have over 110K miles on
them.

I'm planning on getting another car soon and I think I'll go for a lease
deal. I don't put enought miles on a car to go over the 12K mile
limit, so at this stage in life, I want a car that that doesn't require
a lot of maintenance .

I'll make you a good deal on an 82 Camaro Z28 if you're interested
:-) But, seriously, folks,.... you might look into a lease deal for
your pickup. Also, we're at the end of the 2003 model year and you
might find a good deal on one of the last of the run along about Dec. or
there abouts. I bought my 91 in Feb. 1992 and it was about the last 91
left in the area. I got it for about $4000 less than I would have
paid for a comparable 92.

Good luck on the truck hunting..
======
Norm


JohnH July 22nd 03 02:44 PM

Need a new truck (advice, please?)
 
On 22 Jul 2003 11:37:40 GMT, 123 (Butch Ammon) wrote:

While your on the topic, is there a "reasonable" size pickup I can get that
won't make me a partner with Exxon?


What do you mean "reasonable" size pickup? Do you mean my new/used 2000 Chevy
1500 Silverado regular cab, shortbed? Or, do you mean my old 1987 Ford Ranger
4x4 supercab?

Both get about the same gas mileage. One was 4x4, the newer one isn't. One
had a dinky 2.9L V6, the other has a 4.8L V8. One can pull my 2100lb boat
without a problem. The other one cried trying to pull the boat.

Butch Ammon

Butch, you did good! Pay no attention to the rest of these turkey-trots who say
otherwise!

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD


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