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ABC News/Washington Post
Bush favorability rating 3/04 48% favorable and 47% unfavorable 7/27/04 54% favorable and 43% unfavorable Kerry favorability rating 3/04 54% favorable and 28% unfavorable 7/27/04 48% favorable and 39% unfavorable ------------------------------------------------------ Job ratings are up too! Like most close elections, this election will come down to which candidate is more likeable...and Bush wins that hands down. |
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Hey, NOYB
When you "combine" the results of several polls it's still 327 to 211 (EV's) in Kerry's favor. http://www.electionprojection.com/elections2004.html SIGN SEEN ON A TIP JAR TODAY: Hey, Republicans! Afraid of change? Leave it here! :-) |
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How does one like a lying deserter over a decorated veteran?
Capt. Jeff |
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"Tamaroak" wrote in message ... How does one like a lying deserter over a decorated veteran? You guys are too funny. Despite your best shots, nobody has come forth with any proof that Bush lied, nor that he deserted. Got any proof? I say that Kerry is lying about the circumstances of his three purple hearts. I say that they're all self-inflicted so that he could get home after only 4 months in Vietnam. And by your standards, I don't even need proof! |
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Bush is a deserter. The new records indicate he wasn't paid for three
months in 1972. After 30 days you are "dropped from the rolls" as a deserter, unless your daddy is George H.W. Bush, that is. (Mine wasn't, so I had to show up every morning.) Those of us who wore a uniform know this. Kerry had the balls to show up in Viet Nam when he probably could have used his connections and wealth to get out of it like Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and all the rsdt of those cheickenhawks did. Bush didn't, and has never done anything in his life I've heard of showing any real courage. Capt. Jeff |
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Tamaroak wrote:
Bush is a deserter. The new records indicate he wasn't paid for three months in 1972. After 30 days you are "dropped from the rolls" as a deserter, unless your daddy is George H.W. Bush, that is. (Mine wasn't, so I had to show up every morning.) Those of us who wore a uniform know this. Kerry had the balls to show up in Viet Nam when he probably could have used his connections and wealth to get out of it like Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and all the rsdt of those cheickenhawks did. Bush didn't, and has never done anything in his life I've heard of showing any real courage. Capt. Jeff Apparently Bush still drinks and drives, though. He doesn't seem to be able to stay on his bike. -- A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush; A vote for Bush is a vote for Apocalypse. |
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"Tamaroak" wrote in message ... Bush is a deserter. The new records indicate he wasn't paid for three months in 1972. They show no such thing. Why don't pursue Kerry's military record with the same vigor? Hmmmmm? Why won't Kerry release *all* of them? After 30 days you are "dropped from the rolls" as a deserter, unless your daddy is George H.W. Bush, that is. (Mine wasn't, so I had to show up every morning.) Those of us who wore a uniform know this. Kerry had the balls to show up in Viet Nam when he probably could have used his connections and wealth to get out of it like Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and... ....and...Clinton. Liberals remained awfully silent on the Vietnam War litmus test when he was President...except maybe when they were screaming that it didn't matter. When you guys aren't lying, you're being hypocritical. Bush will be President for 4 more years, so you might as well get used to it. And he might just win Minnesota to rub a little extra salt in the wound! |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Tamaroak wrote: Bush is a deserter. The new records indicate he wasn't paid for three months in 1972. After 30 days you are "dropped from the rolls" as a deserter, unless your daddy is George H.W. Bush, that is. (Mine wasn't, so I had to show up every morning.) Those of us who wore a uniform know this. Kerry had the balls to show up in Viet Nam when he probably could have used his connections and wealth to get out of it like Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and all the rsdt of those cheickenhawks did. Bush didn't, and has never done anything in his life I've heard of showing any real courage. Capt. Jeff Apparently Bush still drinks and drives, though. He doesn't seem to be able to stay on his bike. And Kerry can't snowboard...can't stay on his bike...and can't throw a ball 90 feet. He has also been using fake tanning lotion. He's a woman. |
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Two reasons to vote for Bush:
-You've got a LOT of money and don't want to share it with anyone. -You're just plain stupid. Capt. Jeff |
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"Tamaroak" wrote in message ... Bush is a deserter. The new records indicate he wasn't paid for three months in 1972. After 30 days you are "dropped from the rolls" as a deserter, unless your daddy is George H.W. Bush, that is. (Mine wasn't, so I had to show up every morning.) Those of us who wore a uniform know this. Kerry had the balls to show up in Viet Nam when he probably could have used his connections and wealth to get out of it like Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and all the rsdt of those cheickenhawks did. Bush didn't, and has never done anything in his life I've heard of showing any real courage. Capt. Jeff In the reserves, if you were out more than 30 days changing units, you got a notice to go to meetings, and if you were out longer than 90 days, you got activated for the duration of what it takes to make 2 years active duty. So he was out maybe less than 120 days, and he may have had 2 years active duty in. Flight training would take at least a year of active duty. Bill |
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"Tamaroak" wrote in message ... Two reasons to vote for Bush: -You've got a LOT of money and don't want to share it with anyone. I don't have a lot of money, but the money I have is mine...and I *don't* want to share it with anyone except people of my choosing. -You're just plain stupid. Wrong. Democrats have the monopoly on that. I'll give you the *main* reasons one should vote for Bush: He's smart enough to recognize that bin Laden was serious about destroying America when he declared war on us under Clinton's watch in 1998. He's smart enough to recognize that bin Laden's effort to kick us out of Saudi Arabia and the Middle East is nothing more than a power-grab by al Qaeda to seize the oil and thus destroy America and the West economically. He is smart enough to know that you either must protect the oil supply from the Middle East, or you must drill in ANWR...'cause our infrastructure and economy depend upon it. He's not as naive as the fools who think we can just quit using oil tomorrow if Saudi Arabia is seized by al-Qaeda terrorists who won't sell us oil. He is smart enough to know that peace between Israel and those who blow up civilian buses, restaurants, and nightclubs is impossible. Build a wall and let the bad blood pass for a generation or two. He is smart enough to know that you can't make our country safer by hiring more border guards, and hiring more customs agents at the shipping ports. He knows that you must go out and hunt the enemy, and bring the battle to him, instead of letting the enemy dictate the time and place of the next attack. He is smart enough to know that the enemy sees vacillation and hesitation as weaknesses. He has the backbone to never waver in the face of adversity. He isn't shaped by the polls, or by what a bunch of Europeans or Canadians or left-wing journalists think. He does what he knows is right. In fact, he does what he knows is our only hope to win the life and death struggle between radical Islam and the non-Muslim religions of the World. Finally, he is smart enough to know that the American people want to be in control of themselves, and not under the thumb of a terrorist organization which controls the World oil supply, or under the control of a UN assembly that is spineless, corrupt, and hypocritical. You liberals keep running on the fact that Bush is missing 3 months of National Guard pay records from 1970-something. Bush will run on the things I outlined above. Then we'll see which candidate the American people will choose in November. Just don't cry again like you did when Gore lost. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message link.net...
"Tamaroak" wrote in message ... How does one like a lying deserter over a decorated veteran? You guys are too funny. Despite your best shots, nobody has come forth with any proof that Bush lied, nor that he deserted. Got any proof? I say that Kerry is lying about the circumstances of his three purple hearts. I say that they're all self-inflicted so that he could get home after only 4 months in Vietnam. And by your standards, I don't even need proof! Why do *YOU* think that he wasn't paid for three months? |
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"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net... ...and...Clinton. Liberals remained awfully silent on the Vietnam War litmus test when he was President...except maybe when they were screaming that it didn't matter. He avoided service the scary way: By simply avoiding it. I'm not aware of his lying about that. Remember that when he was of age, the cat was already out of the bag, in terms of what a scam the war was. Nobody in their right mind was using the words "domino effect" any more, and the secretary of defense said it was pointless. But, you're too young to have been aware of any of it. All you know is what you hear on the radio. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Tamaroak" wrote in message ... How does one like a lying deserter over a decorated veteran? You guys are too funny. Despite your best shots, nobody has come forth with any proof that Bush lied, nor that he deserted. Got any proof? I say that Kerry is lying about the circumstances of his three purple hearts. I say that they're all self-inflicted so that he could get home after only 4 months in Vietnam. And by your standards, I don't even need proof! Why do *YOU* think that he wasn't paid for three months? I'm not convinced he wasn't paid for three months. I've seen your allegations, but no proof. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message . net... "basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Tamaroak" wrote in message ... How does one like a lying deserter over a decorated veteran? You guys are too funny. Despite your best shots, nobody has come forth with any proof that Bush lied, nor that he deserted. Got any proof? I say that Kerry is lying about the circumstances of his three purple hearts. I say that they're all self-inflicted so that he could get home after only 4 months in Vietnam. And by your standards, I don't even need proof! Why do *YOU* think that he wasn't paid for three months? I'm not convinced he wasn't paid for three months. I've seen your allegations, but no proof. Avoiding the news again??? |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message . net... "basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Tamaroak" wrote in message ... How does one like a lying deserter over a decorated veteran? You guys are too funny. Despite your best shots, nobody has come forth with any proof that Bush lied, nor that he deserted. Got any proof? I say that Kerry is lying about the circumstances of his three purple hearts. I say that they're all self-inflicted so that he could get home after only 4 months in Vietnam. And by your standards, I don't even need proof! Why do *YOU* think that he wasn't paid for three months? I'm not convinced he wasn't paid for three months. I've seen your allegations, but no proof. Avoiding the news again??? Sorry, Doug, but something that happened 30 years ago is not news...it's history. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message et... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message . net... "basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Tamaroak" wrote in message ... How does one like a lying deserter over a decorated veteran? You guys are too funny. Despite your best shots, nobody has come forth with any proof that Bush lied, nor that he deserted. Got any proof? I say that Kerry is lying about the circumstances of his three purple hearts. I say that they're all self-inflicted so that he could get home after only 4 months in Vietnam. And by your standards, I don't even need proof! Why do *YOU* think that he wasn't paid for three months? I'm not convinced he wasn't paid for three months. I've seen your allegations, but no proof. Avoiding the news again??? Sorry, Doug, but something that happened 30 years ago is not news...it's history. In that case, it matters nothing to you that Clinton chose not to get his head blown off in a maniac's war. |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message et... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message . net... "basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Tamaroak" wrote in message ... How does one like a lying deserter over a decorated veteran? You guys are too funny. Despite your best shots, nobody has come forth with any proof that Bush lied, nor that he deserted. Got any proof? I say that Kerry is lying about the circumstances of his three purple hearts. I say that they're all self-inflicted so that he could get home after only 4 months in Vietnam. And by your standards, I don't even need proof! Why do *YOU* think that he wasn't paid for three months? I'm not convinced he wasn't paid for three months. I've seen your allegations, but no proof. Avoiding the news again??? Sorry, Doug, but something that happened 30 years ago is not news...it's history. In that case, it matters nothing to you that Clinton chose not to get his head blown off in a maniac's war. No, it really doesn't. What bothers me more is someone like Kerry who, 35 years later, tries to exploit the fact that he spent approximately 4 more months in Vietnam than George W. Bush. Are we supposed to believe that we can learn more about the man from the 4 months he spent in Vietnam than from the 20+ years he spent in Congress voting against military, defense, and intelligence spending? Puh-leeeeze! |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Hey, NOYB When you "combine" the results of several polls it's still 327 to 211 (EV's) in Kerry's favor. http://www.electionprojection.com/elections2004.html SIGN SEEN ON A TIP JAR TODAY: Hey, Republicans! Afraid of change? Leave it here! :-) The jar was owned by a Democrat of course. |
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SIGN SEEN ON A TIP JAR TODAY:
Hey, Republicans! Afraid of change? Leave it here! :-) The jar was owned by a Democrat of course. Yup. Just another hard working American trying to scratch a living together. Just a single mom too proud to take welfare, and working for the subsistence mini-wages paid by a billionaire "compassionate conservative". |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... SIGN SEEN ON A TIP JAR TODAY: Hey, Republicans! Afraid of change? Leave it here! :-) The jar was owned by a Democrat of course. Yup. Just another hard working American trying to scratch a living together. Just a single mom too proud to take welfare, and working for the subsistence mini-wages paid by a billionaire "compassionate conservative". \ Sounds more like a conservative than a liberal...libs love the welfare checks, don't they?. And the billionaire compassionate person could most likely be T Heinz Kerry. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG4T7CTRN1.DTL |
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Gould 0738 wrote:
SIGN SEEN ON A TIP JAR TODAY: Hey, Republicans! Afraid of change? Leave it here! :-) The jar was owned by a Democrat of course. Yup. Just another hard working American trying to scratch a living together. Just a single mom too proud to take welfare, and working for the subsistence mini-wages paid by a billionaire "compassionate conservative". A friend of mine who works as an organizer for HERE (hotel employees unions) told me Republicans come to conventions with one white shirt and one $20 bill, and they never change either. -- A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush; A vote for Bush is a vote for Apocalypse. |
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Sounds more like a conservative than a liberal...libs love the welfare
checks, don't they?. Does not compute. Take my neighborhood in Seattle. There were 10-15 "No Iraq War" signs for every "Pro War" sign displayed before we invaded Iraq. Kerry signs are popping up all over, (even though he's not a liberal, he's more liberal than Bush), and a Bush sign is really hard to find. 50 year old 2-bedroom houses without views sell for $500-600k, and on streets with any sort of view at all the (normally larger) houses sell in the high six to low seven figure numbers. I don't think most of my neighbors are on welfare, unless they're in cahoots with John H's supposedly "welfare" neighbors buying $600k houses back in DC. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Sounds more like a conservative than a liberal...libs love the welfare checks, don't they?. Does not compute. Take my neighborhood in Seattle. Since you mentioned Seattle, here's an interesting thing I read about something happening in your neck of the woods: "Not to be outdone politically, the Association for Washington Business is taking an unusual step. For the first time in its 100 year history, the AWB has announced it will endorse many incumbent state lawmakers in the Nov. 2 election. The criteria: the voting record of each lawmaker in making the state competitive. On its Web site, the AWB supports re-election for 13 state Senators and 35 members of the House of Representatives. There isn't a Democrat on the list." ------------------------------------------------------ Did you catch that, Chuck? "There isn't a Democrat on the list"...of lawmakers who are making the state competitive for business and job creation. Here's the link: http://www.king5.com/sharedcontent/n...S.5dd9b82.html |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Gould 0738 wrote: SIGN SEEN ON A TIP JAR TODAY: Hey, Republicans! Afraid of change? Leave it here! :-) The jar was owned by a Democrat of course. Yup. Just another hard working American trying to scratch a living together. Just a single mom too proud to take welfare, and working for the subsistence mini-wages paid by a billionaire "compassionate conservative". A friend of mine who works as an organizer for HERE (hotel employees unions) told me Republicans come to conventions with one white shirt and one $20 bill, and they never change either. A friend of mine who works in the hotel industry told me the best conventions for employees to work are dental conventions and car dealer conventions...because both are exceptional consumers of alcoholic beverages...and both are excellent tippers. Also, I'm pretty sure that most dentists and car dealers are Republicans. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Sounds more like a conservative than a liberal...libs love the welfare checks, don't they?. Does not compute. Take my neighborhood in Seattle. There were 10-15 "No Iraq War" signs for every "Pro War" sign displayed before we invaded Iraq. Kerry signs are popping up all over, (even though he's not a liberal, he's more liberal than Bush), and a Bush sign is really hard to find. 50 year old 2-bedroom houses without views sell for $500-600k, and on streets with any sort of view at all the (normally larger) houses sell in the high six to low seven figure numbers. I don't think most of my neighbors are on welfare, unless they're in cahoots with John H's supposedly "welfare" neighbors buying $600k houses back in DC. And how about this part of my post you deleted in your reply? - - - - - - - - - - - - - And the billionaire compassionate person could most likely be T Heinz Kerry. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG4T7CTRN1.DTL - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
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And how about this part of my post you deleted in your reply?
That wasn't part of your post, it was a link to some other person's idea on the internet. If I wanted to debate that person or publication, I would do so directly. |
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"Not to be outdone politically, the Association for Washington Business is
taking an unusual step. For the first time in its 100 year history, the AWB has announced it will endorse many incumbent state lawmakers in the Nov. 2 election. The criteria: the voting record of each lawmaker in making the state competitive. On its Web site, the AWB supports re-election for 13 state Senators and 35 members of the House of Representatives. There isn't a Democrat on the list." ------------------------------------------------------ Did you catch that, Chuck? "There isn't a Democrat on the list"...of lawmakers who are making the state competitive for business and job creation. Here's the link: http://www.king5.com/sharedcontent/n...es/NW_072004TB CsmallbizDS.5dd9b82.htmlhttp://www.king5.com/sharedcontent/northwest/bizco ach/stories/NW_072004TBCsmallbizDS.5dd9b82.html Shows how easily you can be confused by a snapshot of a tiny portion of a broad landscape. When Boeing was blackmailing several states simultaneously, our sell-out Democratic Governor and state legislators panicked and reduced Boeing's taxes with a package worth over $3 billion over the next few years. The payoff to the state? We just heard that Boeing is going to hire 2000 people here, at probably $50k a year average apiece. In other words, if the rest of the taxpayers in the state will pay more money or forego enough services to subsidize Boeing for $3 billion, Boeing will see that we get a tiny fraction of that money back in wages. The lawmakers who supported granting the corporate welfare to Boeing are probably high on the list of people working to make the state "favorable" for business. :-( |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message .net... "Tamaroak" wrote in message ... Bush is a deserter. The new records indicate he wasn't paid for three months in 1972. After 30 days you are "dropped from the rolls" as a deserter, unless your daddy is George H.W. Bush, that is. (Mine wasn't, so I had to show up every morning.) Those of us who wore a uniform know this. Kerry had the balls to show up in Viet Nam when he probably could have used his connections and wealth to get out of it like Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and all the rsdt of those cheickenhawks did. Bush didn't, and has never done anything in his life I've heard of showing any real courage. Capt. Jeff In the reserves, if you were out more than 30 days changing units, you got a notice to go to meetings, and if you were out longer than 90 days, you got activated for the duration of what it takes to make 2 years active duty. So he was out maybe less than 120 days, and he may have had 2 years active duty in. Flight training would take at least a year of active duty. Bill President Bush was an F-102 pilot. The F-102 was being phased out. So the Air Guard, and the Air Force, weren't really interested in retraining him to fly other aircraft when he was getting out in less than a year. Most likely hes was told to make himself scarce. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Gould 0738 wrote: SIGN SEEN ON A TIP JAR TODAY: Hey, Republicans! Afraid of change? Leave it here! :-) The jar was owned by a Democrat of course. Yup. Just another hard working American trying to scratch a living together. Just a single mom too proud to take welfare, and working for the subsistence mini-wages paid by a billionaire "compassionate conservative". A friend of mine who works as an organizer for HERE (hotel employees unions) told me Republicans come to conventions with one white shirt and one $20 bill, and they never change either. You don't get rich by giving your money to anybody that wants it. |
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You don't get rich by giving your money to anybody that wants it.
You won't get rich at all unless you are earning or profiting so efficiently that small expressions of gratitude for good service are without consequence. If you need the tip as badly as the waitress, keep it. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... "Not to be outdone politically, the Association for Washington Business is taking an unusual step. For the first time in its 100 year history, the AWB has announced it will endorse many incumbent state lawmakers in the Nov. 2 election. The criteria: the voting record of each lawmaker in making the state competitive. On its Web site, the AWB supports re-election for 13 state Senators and 35 members of the House of Representatives. There isn't a Democrat on the list." ------------------------------------------------------ Did you catch that, Chuck? "There isn't a Democrat on the list"...of lawmakers who are making the state competitive for business and job creation. Here's the link: http://www.king5.com/sharedcontent/n...es/NW_072004TB CsmallbizDS.5dd9b82.htmlhttp://www.king5.com/sharedcontent/northwest/bizco ach/stories/NW_072004TBCsmallbizDS.5dd9b82.html Shows how easily you can be confused by a snapshot of a tiny portion of a broad landscape. When Boeing was blackmailing several states simultaneously, our sell-out Democratic Governor and state legislators panicked and reduced Boeing's taxes with a package worth over $3 billion over the next few years. The payoff to the state? We just heard that Boeing is going to hire 2000 people here, at probably $50k a year average apiece. In other words, if the rest of the taxpayers in the state will pay more money or forego enough services to subsidize Boeing for $3 billion, Boeing will see that we get a tiny fraction of that money back in wages. You're kidding, right? You think that the only money Boeing gives back to the community is the $100 million in wages given to new hires? What about the people already working for Boeing who would have left the area if Boeing moved? Also, have you ever looked at a P&L? Wages make up about 1/5 of total expenses. On top of that, there is a trickle down effect of the people who work in jobs that service those 2000 people *and* the people already working for Boeing. That $3 billion saved your community. Without it, Everett/Mukilteo would look like Allentown, PA when they were (to quote Billy Joel) "closing all the factories down". When are elected officials--most of whom are attorneys or other people who never held an honest job--going to realize that they don't know as much about what's good for a business, as the business men and women running those businesses? The Association for Washington Business represents those businesses. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... You don't get rich by giving your money to anybody that wants it. You won't get rich at all unless you are earning or profiting so efficiently that small expressions of gratitude for good service are without consequence. If you need the tip as badly as the waitress, keep it. I guess Kerry needed the tip as badly as the waitress: The ****ty Tipper Database! Tipper's Name: John Kerry Restaurant: Chart House Where it happened: Alexandria, VA Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $262.60 / $0.00 / 0% What happened: June 5, 04 Kerry, his wife, 4 unknown suits - We were happy to seat them in a semi-private area and gave them the same excellent service as we would give anyone - then got stiffed! http://www.bitterwaitress.com/std/in...etail=1&id=456 |
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You're kidding, right? You think that the only money Boeing gives back to
the community is the $100 million in wages given to new hires? What about the people already working for Boeing who would have left the area if Boeing moved? Uh, they're already gone. Boeing moved to Chicago, and the "new hires" are about 1/30th of the number of folks that Boeing laid off here in the last few years. Also, have you ever looked at a P&L? Wages make up about 1/5 of total expenses. Less than that, if you're got a clever Republican running the company. :-) On top of that, there is a trickle down effect of the people who work in jobs that service those 2000 people *and* the people already working for Boeing. That $3 billion saved your community. Without it, Everett/Mukilteo would look like Allentown, PA when they were (to quote Billy Joel) "closing all the factories down". Bullshirt. Take 1.5 billion of the same money, give it (don't even loan it) as matching capital grants to people who have presented a *qualified* business plan for an enterprise that will create jobs in the community and you will see far more than 2000 jobs result, plus all the spin off jobs from suppliers, retailers, service workers, etc. Figure half of the enterprises go TU within 2-3 years. Still way, way, ahead of buying jobs from Boeing at $1.5mm apiece. In a few years, when it's time to build the next plane, Boeing will come around once again with the tin cup and demand even more concessions. We ought to just get in bed with the Mafia. At least they are obvious when shaking a victim down. Everytime I bust my suspension on a pothole in the road or watch them close a fire station or a library I can be ever so grateful that your cronies in the Center for Business Supremacy, or whatever, think that government services should be withheld from common people, but provided to their companies at a newly reduced charge. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... You're kidding, right? You think that the only money Boeing gives back to the community is the $100 million in wages given to new hires? What about the people already working for Boeing who would have left the area if Boeing moved? Uh, they're already gone. Boeing moved to Chicago, and the "new hires" are about 1/30th of the number of folks that Boeing laid off here in the last few years. Also, have you ever looked at a P&L? Wages make up about 1/5 of total expenses. Less than that, if you're got a clever Republican running the company. :-) On top of that, there is a trickle down effect of the people who work in jobs that service those 2000 people *and* the people already working for Boeing. That $3 billion saved your community. Without it, Everett/Mukilteo would look like Allentown, PA when they were (to quote Billy Joel) "closing all the factories down". Bullshirt. Take 1.5 billion of the same money, How do you "take the 1.5 billion"? You don't have the 1.5 billion if Boeing isn't there. It was in the form of tax incentives (ie--money they *would* collect *if* Boeing stayed *and* they were taxed at the pre-negotiated rates). If Boeing is not there, they don't pay the money anyhow...*AND* you lose the benefit that you gain from having such a large employer in the community. You're putting me on here, right? |
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You're putting me on here, right?
Nope. Boeing wasn't really "going" anywhere. The question was "where will we put together the few parts of the 7E7 that will be built in the US" I guess they decided it will be here, since we forgave $1.5mm in taxes for every middle class job they restored. Woo hoo. You would be surprised to know that a lot of the opposition to the Boeing shakedown came from *very* conservative interests here. Boeing: We're leaving unless you make radical improvements to the roads and other infrastructure in the state, especially those we haul parts over. We're leaving unless you do something to establish workable public transportation in the Puget Sound coridor so that our employees are not spending so many hours every day stuck in traffic. We're leaving unless you upgrade the quality of your education system so that we can hire a greater number of literate and qualified trainees." "Oh, by the way, if you expect *us* to participate in paying for any of our demands, we're leaving anyway." Yeah? Don't let the door hit you on the stabilizer. |
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OT--Bush favorability up, Kerry's down
Dave Hall wrote:
On 27 Jul 2004 23:41:48 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: SIGN SEEN ON A TIP JAR TODAY: Hey, Republicans! Afraid of change? Leave it here! :-) The jar was owned by a Democrat of course. Yup. Just another hard working American trying to scratch a living together. Just a single mom too proud to take welfare, and working for the subsistence mini-wages paid by a billionaire "compassionate conservative". \ She was paid the wages dictated by the free market, which have nothing to do with the government. With a statement like this, Dave, you have demonstrated how naive and simple-minded you are. There is no free market in the absence of government. -- We have nothing to fear.. ....but four more years of George W. Bush. |
OT--Bush favorability up, Kerry's down
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OT--Bush favorability up, Kerry's down
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