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justan wrote:
Both $3.Thanks to Joey and his crew of incompetants.

Cheap compared to here.

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justan wrote: Both $3.Thanks to Joey and his crew of incompetants.Cheap compared to here.

We have Desantis. You don't have any buffer at all between you and
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 13:35:05 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Bill Wrote in message:r
justan wrote: Both $3.Thanks to Joey and his crew of incompetants.Cheap compared to here.

We have Desantis. You don't have any buffer at all between you and
those incompetants in Washington.

California likes to punish poor people. Those who can't afford an
electric car.
Gas was $2.959 today, it has been $2.799 or $2.759 at Speedway.

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wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 13:35:05 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Bill Wrote in message:r
justan wrote: Both $3.Thanks to Joey and his crew of
incompetants.Cheap compared to here.

We have Desantis. You don't have any buffer at all between you and
those incompetants in Washington.

California likes to punish poor people. Those who can't afford an
electric car.
Gas was $2.959 today, it has been $2.799 or $2.759 at Speedway.


Nah, Newsom needs all the tax money he can get to buy votes. Especially
against his recall. They added 20 cents extra diesel tax last year as well
as a little less to gas. Plus the state requires around 26 special blends
for each season which costs about a million gallons of waste each time. I
paid $4.09 for regular on I-5 yesterday coming back from Los Angeles.
Filled up at Costco Livermore when near home at $3.99. Used more fuel than
normal because of the high winds. Usually around 33 mpg in the Volt, but
was about 29 yesterday. Got to Tracy area and two different semi’s were
blown over.

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On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 3:43:06 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 13:35:05 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Bill Wrote in message:r
justan wrote: Both $3.Thanks to Joey and his crew of incompetants.Cheap compared to here.

We have Desantis. You don't have any buffer at all between you and
those incompetants in Washington.
California likes to punish poor people. Those who can't afford an
electric car.
Gas was $2.959 today, it has been $2.799 or $2.759 at Speedway.

===

The price of crude is up because increases in demand are outpacing increases in supply. When refineries pay more for their feed-stock, the price of their production follows right along. Planes are flying again and people are driving a lot more.

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On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:34:29 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 3:43:06 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 13:35:05 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Bill Wrote in message:r
justan wrote: Both $3.Thanks to Joey and his crew of
incompetants.Cheap compared to here.

We have Desantis. You don't have any buffer at all between you and
those incompetants in Washington.
California likes to punish poor people. Those who can't afford an
electric car.
Gas was $2.959 today, it has been $2.799 or $2.759 at Speedway.

===

The price of crude is up because increases in demand are outpacing
increases in supply. When refineries pay more for their feed-stock, the
price of their production follows right along. Planes are flying again
and people are driving a lot more.

I don’t really believe that is the cause. There is a tremendous backlog of
crude. I understand they had to slow down pumping as there was no storage
availability. I think it is a truer indicator of inflation than what the
Fed is stating.

===

It's true that the price of energy flows through the economy and eventually affects the price of everything, similar to what happened in the 1970s and 80s. If demand continues to outpace supply, oil will continue to rise in price until either demand decreases or supply increases.

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On 6/8/2021 11:20 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:34:29 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 3:43:06 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 13:35:05 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Bill Wrote in message:r
justan wrote: Both $3.Thanks to Joey and his crew of
incompetants.Cheap compared to here.

We have Desantis. You don't have any buffer at all between you and
those incompetants in Washington.
California likes to punish poor people. Those who can't afford an
electric car.
Gas was $2.959 today, it has been $2.799 or $2.759 at Speedway.

===

The price of crude is up because increases in demand are outpacing
increases in supply. When refineries pay more for their feed-stock, the
price of their production follows right along. Planes are flying again
and people are driving a lot more.

I don’t really believe that is the cause. There is a tremendous backlog of
crude. I understand they had to slow down pumping as there was no storage
availability. I think it is a truer indicator of inflation than what the
Fed is stating.

===

It's true that the price of energy flows through the economy and eventually affects the price of everything, similar to what happened in the 1970s and 80s. If demand continues to outpace supply, oil will continue to rise in price until either demand decreases or supply increases.



I am still hung up on the push for fully electric vehicles.

Back when the "peak oil" theory was popular many experts claimed
we would very soon run out of oil. Turns out that wasn't true.
The world has an abundance of oil. The new focus is on how
"clean" it is.

The effects on global warming due to burning fossil fuels are
categorized as being
"front end" and "back end". Electric vehicles are "back end" meaning
they don't contribute negatively to the climate as they use the stored
energy in their batteries. But the "front end" effects are still there
because fossil fuels still are the dominant source of energy (89
percent) that generates the power used to charge the electric vehicle
batteries. Until that changes, increased use of electric vehicles will
actually have more of a negative effect than gas/diesel powered vehicles
overall.


This may improve if more sources such as wind, solar, geothermal, etc.
sources are developed however it's going to take a *lot* of it
to equal the fossil fuel energy used by gas and diesel powered vehicles.
The demand may be outpaced by the number of
electric vehicles in use, especially if they are mandated by governments
too soon.

Sources of "clean" electric generation *must* be developed
simultaneously with the increasing emphasis on electric vehicles.

Then, there is the problem of overloading an outdated electric
distribution grid as it is required to supply power equal to
that currently being used by fossil fuel powered vehicles in
addition to that currently used for other purposes.
That amount of power must be gigantic.



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On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:34:29 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: wrote: On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 3:43:06 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 13:35:05 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Bill Wrote in message:r justan wrote: Both $3.Thanks to Joey and his crew of incompetants.Cheap compared to here. We have Desantis. You don't have any buffer at all between you and those incompetants in Washington. California likes to punish poor people. Those who can't afford an electric car. Gas was $2.959 today, it has been $2.799 or $2.759 at Speedway. === The price of crude is up because increases in demand are outpacing increases in supply. When refineries pay more for their feed-stock, the price of their production follows right along. Planes are flying again and people are driving a lot more. I don?t really believe that is the cause. There is a tremendous backlog of crude. I understand they had to slow down pumping as there was no storage availability. I think it is a truer indicator of inflation than what the Fed is stating.===It's true that the price of energy flows through the economy and eventually affects the price of everything, similar to what happened in the 1970s and 80s. If demand continues to outpace supply, oil will continue to rise in price until either demand decreases or supply increases.

Haven't you heard? We have a goodly supply stored underground.
Enough to run a war for as long as it takes. Thanks to sleepy
Joe, we won't have enough pipeline to move it to the refinerys as
needed. Your adopted party is killing America. The big question
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