Flying on a Boeing jet?
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Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Monday, 22 February 2021 at 10:13:58 UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
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Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
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Flying on a Boeing jet?
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r
On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. * Did anyone else read it the same way Fat Harry did? I would guess no. -- ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazon...net/index.html |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 10:08:14 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. If, and I mean *IF* you had a boat and it was a Bayliner with an Evinrude motor on it, and the motor blew up, who would you blame? |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:57:44 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. * Did anyone else realize I'm actually a faggot? |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 7:09:03 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. What? Unionized United inspectors would never do shoddy work! |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On 2/22/2021 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 10:08:14 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. If, and I mean *IF* you had a boat and it was a Bayliner with an Evinrude motor on it, and the motor blew up, who would you blame? Biden, of course, then the owner for owning a bottom of the barrel boat then Bayliner for being a bottom of the line boat then Evinrude(are they still in business) then Fat Harry for not warning his dumb little buddy about Bayliner boats then Donnie for not maintaining the POS. -- Pity Fat Harry. His ability to produce rational thought on his own, no longer exists, if it ever did at all. |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 2/22/2021 11:17 AM, wrote: On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 10:08:14 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. If, and I mean *IF* you had a boat and it was a Bayliner with an Evinrude motor on it, and the motor blew up, who would you blame? Biden, of course, then the owner for owning a bottom of the barrel boat then Bayliner for being a bottom of the line boat then Evinrude(are they still in business) then Fat Harry for not warning his dumb little buddy about Bayliner boats then Donnie for not maintaining the POS. Dip**** Donny listens to salespeople and ignores actual reviews and advice. |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Tuesday, 23 February 2021 at 20:37:57 UTC-4, Alex wrote:
Justan Ohlphart wrote: On 2/22/2021 11:17 AM, wrote: On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 10:08:14 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. If, and I mean *IF* you had a boat and it was a Bayliner with an Evinrude motor on it, and the motor blew up, who would you blame? Biden, of course, then the owner for owning a bottom of the barrel boat then Bayliner for being a bottom of the line boat then Evinrude(are they still in business) then Fat Harry for not warning his dumb little buddy about Bayliner boats then Donnie for not maintaining the POS. Dip**** Donny listens to salespeople and ignores actual reviews and advice. You're right Ditzy Dan A person would have to be crazy to take advice from sleazy, slimy salesmen. Wait a minute...y'all sell nails and screws etc to contractors, don't you? You'd know first hand how untrustable those lying Sobs are...SNERK! |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s. The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues. Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured. There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's) I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades. It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour. One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:22:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s. The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues. Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured. There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's) I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades. It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour. One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. === Interesting, and a bit counter intuitive. How do you get an electrical connection to a strain gauge that is rotating at high speed? |
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On 2/24/21 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s.Â* The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues.Â* Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured.Â* There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's)Â* I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades.Â* It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour.Â* One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. Wow! How cool was that? Most of the linotype operators at the KC Star when I worked there were deaf and grads of the School for the Deaf. The clackity-clack of the machines didn't bother them. Good union jobs, too, with top drawer bennies. -- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. * |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 17:28:31 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote: On Tuesday, 23 February 2021 at 20:37:57 UTC-4, Alex wrote: Justan Ohlphart wrote: On 2/22/2021 11:17 AM, wrote: On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 10:08:14 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. If, and I mean *IF* you had a boat and it was a Bayliner with an Evinrude motor on it, and the motor blew up, who would you blame? Biden, of course, then the owner for owning a bottom of the barrel boat then Bayliner for being a bottom of the line boat then Evinrude(are they still in business) then Fat Harry for not warning his dumb little buddy about Bayliner boats then Donnie for not maintaining the POS. Dip**** Donny listens to salespeople and ignores actual reviews and advice. You're right Ditzy Dan Bullshiit deleted. Saying "You're right" was enough. Point made. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:22:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s. The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues. Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured. There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's) I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades. It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour. One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. I suspect these defects developed many thousands of hours after the engine left Florida. It was a United inspector (or their contractor) who missed it. I am sure the NTSB will be looking at inspection logs and procedures. The real question is why wasn't that casualty contained. They were just lucky that it didn't come through a window and depressurize the plane. |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:57:38 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 2/24/21 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s.Â* The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues.Â* Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured.Â* There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's)Â* I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades.Â* It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour.Â* One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. Wow! How cool was that? Most of the linotype operators at the KC Star when I worked there were deaf and grads of the School for the Deaf. The clackity-clack of the machines didn't bother them. Good union jobs, too, with top drawer bennies. Linotype? You are showing your age now ;-) Our school paper (early 60s) was done in a Linotype shop out New York Avenue near the DC line. It was quite an operation. We switched printers a few months before I graduated, bringing in the juniors and got a glossy offset tabloid+ size for less money from a printer out around Clarksburg where one of those guys lived. It was a nicer product but it didn't have that newspaper feel. The pictures were actually almost photo quality and being offset, didn't cost anything extra. The pictures in the old paper were molded plates on 3/4" wood. I still have the plate for a cartoon I drew almost 60 years ago. I used to do the layout and it was different when you can use all the pictures you want. I think it made them lazy tho because they didn't need to write as much to fill 8 (or 12 pages, what the last issue in 64 was). I had copies of all the papers I worked on but they didn't make it in a move. |
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On 2/24/21 3:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:57:38 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/21 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s.Â* The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues.Â* Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured.Â* There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's)Â* I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades.Â* It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour.Â* One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. Wow! How cool was that? Most of the linotype operators at the KC Star when I worked there were deaf and grads of the School for the Deaf. The clackity-clack of the machines didn't bother them. Good union jobs, too, with top drawer bennies. Linotype? You are showing your age now ;-) Our school paper (early 60s) was done in a Linotype shop out New York Avenue near the DC line. It was quite an operation. We switched printers a few months before I graduated, bringing in the juniors and got a glossy offset tabloid+ size for less money from a printer out around Clarksburg where one of those guys lived. It was a nicer product but it didn't have that newspaper feel. The pictures were actually almost photo quality and being offset, didn't cost anything extra. The pictures in the old paper were molded plates on 3/4" wood. I still have the plate for a cartoon I drew almost 60 years ago. I used to do the layout and it was different when you can use all the pictures you want. I think it made them lazy tho because they didn't need to write as much to fill 8 (or 12 pages, what the last issue in 64 was). I had copies of all the papers I worked on but they didn't make it in a move. When I worked at The Star, we put out 13 editions a day, seven for the morning KC Times, six for the afternoon-evening KC Star. They were the same paper but with different nameplates, plus a Sunday roto section with feature material. I worked on the morning paper, and was "A Member of The Star's Staff." That was always a kick. :) -- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. * |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 15:30:46 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:22:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s. The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues. Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured. There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's) I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades. It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour. One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. I suspect these defects developed many thousands of hours after the engine left Florida. It was a United inspector (or their contractor) who missed it. I am sure the NTSB will be looking at inspection logs and procedures. The real question is why wasn't that casualty contained. They were just lucky that it didn't come through a window and depressurize the plane. === Or sever one or more hydraulic lines. Apparently there's still a mystery about why the engine continued to burn after its fuel was shut off. Depressurizing the plane shortly after takeoff would probably not be that big a deal - not like it would be at 35,000 ft. We were once on a flight from RSW to LGA that lost cabin pressure while still climbing around 20,000 ft or so. Our ears popped and the pilot made a really steep descent to lower altitude. The oxygen masks never dropped and we made an emergency landing at FLL a short time later. There were a large number of emergency vehicles on a parallel runway following our rollout after touchdown. They found a new plane for us fairly quickly and we were back on our way. |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 16:15:55 -0500, Wayne B
wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 15:30:46 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:22:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s. The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues. Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured. There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's) I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades. It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour. One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. I suspect these defects developed many thousands of hours after the engine left Florida. It was a United inspector (or their contractor) who missed it. I am sure the NTSB will be looking at inspection logs and procedures. The real question is why wasn't that casualty contained. They were just lucky that it didn't come through a window and depressurize the plane. === Or sever one or more hydraulic lines. Apparently there's still a mystery about why the engine continued to burn after its fuel was shut off. Depressurizing the plane shortly after takeoff would probably not be that big a deal - not like it would be at 35,000 ft. We were once on a flight from RSW to LGA that lost cabin pressure while still climbing around 20,000 ft or so. Our ears popped and the pilot made a really steep descent to lower altitude. The oxygen masks never dropped and we made an emergency landing at FLL a short time later. There were a large number of emergency vehicles on a parallel runway following our rollout after touchdown. They found a new plane for us fairly quickly and we were back on our way. I was on a plane from LGA to DCA that had a pressurization problem (made a helluva sound) and the captain said they were just going to go for it low and slow. We flew to DC at about 7,000-8,000 feet but we made a straight in landing, not stacked up We got in a little late but any flight to or from LGA is going to be late. It was sooner than I expected. |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:22:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s. The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues. Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured. There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's) I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges andthermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades. It was for real timetesting of turbine blade designs.I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was deliveredand installed and was given a plant tour. One room had a number ofpeople seated at tables who were physically handling turbine bladesfrom bins at each table.My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces.===Interesting, and a bit counter intuitive. How do you get anelectrical connection to a strain gauge that is rotating at highspeed? I told you he's smart. -- ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazon...net/index.html |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r
On 2/24/21 3:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:57:38 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/21 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s. The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues. Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured. There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's) I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades. It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour. One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. Wow! How cool was that? Most of the linotype operators at the KC Star when I worked there were deaf and grads of the School for the Deaf. The clackity-clack of the machines didn't bother them. Good union jobs, too, with top drawer bennies. Linotype? You are showing your age now ;-) Our school paper (early 60s) was done in a Linotype shop out New York Avenue near the DC line. It was quite an operation. We switched printers a few months before I graduated, bringing in the juniors and got a glossy offset tabloid+ size for less money from a printer out around Clarksburg where one of those guys lived. It was a nicer product but it didn't have that newspaper feel. The pictures were actually almost photo quality and being offset, didn't cost anything extra. The pictures in the old paper were molded plates on 3/4" wood. I still have the plate for a cartoon I drew almost 60 years ago. I used to do the layout and it was different when you can use all the pictures you want. I think it made them lazy tho because they didn't need to write as much to fill 8 (or 12 pages, what the last issue in 64 was). I had copies of all the papers I worked on but they didn't make it in a move. When I worked at The Star, we put out 13 editions a day, seven for the morning KC Times, six for the afternoon-evening KC Star. They were the same paper but with different nameplates, plus a Sunday roto section with feature material. I worked on the morning paper, and was "A Member of The Star's Staff." That was always a kick. :)-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. * Yawn. Not cool. :-) -- ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazon...net/index.html |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:57:38 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/21 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s.Â* The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues.Â* Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured.Â* There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's)Â* I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades.Â* It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour.Â* One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. Wow! How cool was that? Most of the linotype operators at the KC Star when I worked there were deaf and grads of the School for the Deaf. The clackity-clack of the machines didn't bother them. Good union jobs, too, with top drawer bennies. Linotype? You are showing your age now ;-) Our school paper (early 60s) was done in a Linotype shop out New York Avenue near the DC line. It was quite an operation. We switched printers a few months before I graduated, bringing in the juniors and got a glossy offset tabloid+ size for less money from a printer out around Clarksburg where one of those guys lived. It was a nicer product but it didn't have that newspaper feel. The pictures were actually almost photo quality and being offset, didn't cost anything extra. The pictures in the old paper were molded plates on 3/4" wood. I still have the plate for a cartoon I drew almost 60 years ago. I used to do the layout and it was different when you can use all the pictures you want. I think it made them lazy tho because they didn't need to write as much to fill 8 (or 12 pages, what the last issue in 64 was). I had copies of all the papers I worked on but they didn't make it in a move. Linotype was actually better in some ways. We had the computer system in Commerce Clearing House. The people who print all those tax code and law books you see lawyers offices. They said when lots did not change, was overall quicker and easier to reset a paragraph in Linotype than photo typesetting complete pages In lots of the books. |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
justan wrote:
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r On 2/24/21 3:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:57:38 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/21 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s. The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues. Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured. There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's) I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades. It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour. One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. Wow! How cool was that? Most of the linotype operators at the KC Star when I worked there were deaf and grads of the School for the Deaf. The clackity-clack of the machines didn't bother them. Good union jobs, too, with top drawer bennies. Linotype? You are showing your age now ;-) Our school paper (early 60s) was done in a Linotype shop out New York Avenue near the DC line. It was quite an operation. We switched printers a few months before I graduated, bringing in the juniors and got a glossy offset tabloid+ size for less money from a printer out around Clarksburg where one of those guys lived. It was a nicer product but it didn't have that newspaper feel. The pictures were actually almost photo quality and being offset, didn't cost anything extra. The pictures in the old paper were molded plates on 3/4" wood. I still have the plate for a cartoon I drew almost 60 years ago. I used to do the layout and it was different when you can use all the pictures you want. I think it made them lazy tho because they didn't need to write as much to fill 8 (or 12 pages, what the last issue in 64 was). I had copies of all the papers I worked on but they didn't make it in a move. When I worked at The Star, we put out 13 editions a day, seven for the morning KC Times, six for the afternoon-evening KC Star. They were the same paper but with different nameplates, plus a Sunday roto section with feature material. I worked on the morning paper, and was "A Member of The Star's Staff." That was always a kick. :)-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. * Yawn. Not cool. :-) Typical newspaper person today. Show the bias. |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 00:18:38 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:57:38 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/21 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s.Â* The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues.Â* Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured.Â* There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's)Â* I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades.Â* It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour.Â* One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. Wow! How cool was that? Most of the linotype operators at the KC Star when I worked there were deaf and grads of the School for the Deaf. The clackity-clack of the machines didn't bother them. Good union jobs, too, with top drawer bennies. Linotype? You are showing your age now ;-) Our school paper (early 60s) was done in a Linotype shop out New York Avenue near the DC line. It was quite an operation. We switched printers a few months before I graduated, bringing in the juniors and got a glossy offset tabloid+ size for less money from a printer out around Clarksburg where one of those guys lived. It was a nicer product but it didn't have that newspaper feel. The pictures were actually almost photo quality and being offset, didn't cost anything extra. The pictures in the old paper were molded plates on 3/4" wood. I still have the plate for a cartoon I drew almost 60 years ago. I used to do the layout and it was different when you can use all the pictures you want. I think it made them lazy tho because they didn't need to write as much to fill 8 (or 12 pages, what the last issue in 64 was). I had copies of all the papers I worked on but they didn't make it in a move. Linotype was actually better in some ways. We had the computer system in Commerce Clearing House. The people who print all those tax code and law books you see lawyers offices. They said when lots did not change, was overall quicker and easier to reset a paragraph in Linotype than photo typesetting complete pages In lots of the books. When the computer is generating the offset plate, I am not sure how linotype could possibly be cheaper. It sounds more like they were just stuck in the 19th century. The whole linotype process is much more expensive to start with. That was what they said in 1964 and that labor certainly didn't get cheaper. The plates this guy as making were developed photos from a physical page layout. Now the whole thing is on the computer. The pressman gets the plate and the rest is the same. |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On 2/24/2021 10:59 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:22:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s. The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues. Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured. There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's) I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades. It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour. One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. === Interesting, and a bit counter intuitive. How do you get an electrical connection to a strain gauge that is rotating at high speed? The "leads" from the sensors were also thin film deposited connections to the shaft through the "root" of the turbine blade. The root is the mechanical connection to the shaft. I assume (don't know for sure) that some sort of slip rings were used to send TC and strain gauge data to the instrumentation. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 07:38:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/24/2021 10:59 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:22:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s. The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues. Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured. There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's) I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades. It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour. One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. === Interesting, and a bit counter intuitive. How do you get an electrical connection to a strain gauge that is rotating at high speed? The "leads" from the sensors were also thin film deposited connections to the shaft through the "root" of the turbine blade. The root is the mechanical connection to the shaft. I assume (don't know for sure) that some sort of slip rings were used to send TC and strain gauge data to the instrumentation. === Thanks. Curious minds always want to know. :-) So how are things in the great state of Massachussets? |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On 2/25/2021 11:44 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 07:38:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/24/2021 10:59 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:22:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s. The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues. Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured. There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's) I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades. It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour. One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. === Interesting, and a bit counter intuitive. How do you get an electrical connection to a strain gauge that is rotating at high speed? The "leads" from the sensors were also thin film deposited connections to the shaft through the "root" of the turbine blade. The root is the mechanical connection to the shaft. I assume (don't know for sure) that some sort of slip rings were used to send TC and strain gauge data to the instrumentation. === Thanks. Curious minds always want to know. :-) So how are things in the great state of Massachussets? Same, same. Like most Mrs.E. and I have been hibernating, partly due to cold, snowy weather but mostly due to the covid thing. If we remain healthy and this virus crap is behind us, we have decided to start looking southward again .... maybe just for a winter place and spend the summers back up here. Seems like we've been through this before though .... -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 00:18:38 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:57:38 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/21 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s.Â* The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues.Â* Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured.Â* There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's)Â* I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades.Â* It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour.Â* One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. Wow! How cool was that? Most of the linotype operators at the KC Star when I worked there were deaf and grads of the School for the Deaf. The clackity-clack of the machines didn't bother them. Good union jobs, too, with top drawer bennies. Linotype? You are showing your age now ;-) Our school paper (early 60s) was done in a Linotype shop out New York Avenue near the DC line. It was quite an operation. We switched printers a few months before I graduated, bringing in the juniors and got a glossy offset tabloid+ size for less money from a printer out around Clarksburg where one of those guys lived. It was a nicer product but it didn't have that newspaper feel. The pictures were actually almost photo quality and being offset, didn't cost anything extra. The pictures in the old paper were molded plates on 3/4" wood. I still have the plate for a cartoon I drew almost 60 years ago. I used to do the layout and it was different when you can use all the pictures you want. I think it made them lazy tho because they didn't need to write as much to fill 8 (or 12 pages, what the last issue in 64 was). I had copies of all the papers I worked on but they didn't make it in a move. Linotype was actually better in some ways. We had the computer system in Commerce Clearing House. The people who print all those tax code and law books you see lawyers offices. They said when lots did not change, was overall quicker and easier to reset a paragraph in Linotype than photo typesetting complete pages In lots of the books. When the computer is generating the offset plate, I am not sure how linotype could possibly be cheaper. It sounds more like they were just stuck in the 19th century. The whole linotype process is much more expensive to start with. That was what they said in 1964 and that labor certainly didn't get cheaper. The plates this guy as making were developed photos from a physical page layout. Now the whole thing is on the computer. The pressman gets the plate and the rest is the same. The Linotype plates made better printing sheets I think. And they said, lots of the books did not change for years. They also computer typeset new stuff. |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On 2/25/21 11:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Same, same. Like most Mrs.E. and I have been hibernating, partly due to cold, snowy weather but mostly due to the covid thing.Â* If we remain healthy and this virus crap is behind us, we have decided to start looking southward again .... maybe just for a winter place and spend the summers back up here.Â* Seems like we've been through this before though .... I'm guessing you'd drive down to Florida and back up to Massachusetts? Tip of the hat...I just don't have the patience for that kind of driving anymore. We break up the trip to Hilton Head or North Florida with a motel stopover. Do you have to bring your horses with you when you head south? -- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. * |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 11:59:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/25/2021 11:44 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 07:38:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/24/2021 10:59 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:22:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s. The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues. Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured. There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's) I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades. It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour. One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. === Interesting, and a bit counter intuitive. How do you get an electrical connection to a strain gauge that is rotating at high speed? The "leads" from the sensors were also thin film deposited connections to the shaft through the "root" of the turbine blade. The root is the mechanical connection to the shaft. I assume (don't know for sure) that some sort of slip rings were used to send TC and strain gauge data to the instrumentation. === Thanks. Curious minds always want to know. :-) So how are things in the great state of Massachussets? Same, same. Like most Mrs.E. and I have been hibernating, partly due to cold, snowy weather but mostly due to the covid thing. If we remain healthy and this virus crap is behind us, we have decided to start looking southward again .... maybe just for a winter place and spend the summers back up here. Seems like we've been through this before though .... === Winters in south Florida are hard to beat. We're thinking of taking the boat north one last time and using it just as a summer place going forward. |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
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On 2/25/2021 11:44 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 07:38:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/24/2021 10:59 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:22:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s. The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues. Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured. There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's) I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades. It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour. One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. === Interesting, and a bit counter intuitive. How do you get an electrical connection to a strain gauge that is rotating at high speed? The "leads" from the sensors were also thin film deposited connections to the shaft through the "root" of the turbine blade. The root is the mechanical connection to the shaft. I assume (don't know for sure) that some sort of slip rings were used to send TC and strain gauge data to the instrumentation. === Thanks. Curious minds always want to know. :-) So how are things in the great state of Massachussets? Same, same. Like most Mrs.E. and I have been hibernating, partly dueto cold, snowy weather but mostly due to the covid thing. If weremain healthy and this virus crap is behind us, we have decidedto start looking southward again .... maybe just for a winter placeand spend the summers back up here. Seems like we've been throughthis before though ....-- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.https://www.avg.com Has the situation holding you back been resolved? -- ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazon...net/index.html |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 17:19:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 00:18:38 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:57:38 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/21 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s.Â* The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues.Â* Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured.Â* There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's)Â* I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades.Â* It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour.Â* One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. Wow! How cool was that? Most of the linotype operators at the KC Star when I worked there were deaf and grads of the School for the Deaf. The clackity-clack of the machines didn't bother them. Good union jobs, too, with top drawer bennies. Linotype? You are showing your age now ;-) Our school paper (early 60s) was done in a Linotype shop out New York Avenue near the DC line. It was quite an operation. We switched printers a few months before I graduated, bringing in the juniors and got a glossy offset tabloid+ size for less money from a printer out around Clarksburg where one of those guys lived. It was a nicer product but it didn't have that newspaper feel. The pictures were actually almost photo quality and being offset, didn't cost anything extra. The pictures in the old paper were molded plates on 3/4" wood. I still have the plate for a cartoon I drew almost 60 years ago. I used to do the layout and it was different when you can use all the pictures you want. I think it made them lazy tho because they didn't need to write as much to fill 8 (or 12 pages, what the last issue in 64 was). I had copies of all the papers I worked on but they didn't make it in a move. Linotype was actually better in some ways. We had the computer system in Commerce Clearing House. The people who print all those tax code and law books you see lawyers offices. They said when lots did not change, was overall quicker and easier to reset a paragraph in Linotype than photo typesetting complete pages In lots of the books. When the computer is generating the offset plate, I am not sure how linotype could possibly be cheaper. It sounds more like they were just stuck in the 19th century. The whole linotype process is much more expensive to start with. That was what they said in 1964 and that labor certainly didn't get cheaper. The plates this guy as making were developed photos from a physical page layout. Now the whole thing is on the computer. The pressman gets the plate and the rest is the same. The Linotype plates made better printing sheets I think. And they said, lots of the books did not change for years. They also computer typeset new stuff. You do get better images from inked metal hitting paper but we live in the age of market driven quality. People usually never notice and they certainly don't want to pay extra unless it is a keepsake like a wedding invitation or money., high end business card or money. |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 12:20:21 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 2/25/21 11:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Same, same. Like most Mrs.E. and I have been hibernating, partly due to cold, snowy weather but mostly due to the covid thing.Â* If we remain healthy and this virus crap is behind us, we have decided to start looking southward again .... maybe just for a winter place and spend the summers back up here.Â* Seems like we've been through this before though .... I'm guessing you'd drive down to Florida and back up to Massachusetts? Tip of the hat...I just don't have the patience for that kind of driving anymore. We break up the trip to Hilton Head or North Florida with a motel stopover. Do you have to bring your horses with you when you head south? The last few times we drove to DC it took at least a week. We went up through the mountains and hiked in the woods. If it is just me, I can do that coffee, speed and adrenalin straight through sprint at 80 but my wife is not really into that. |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 17:19:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 00:18:38 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:57:38 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/21 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s.Â* The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues.Â* Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured.Â* There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's)Â* I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades.Â* It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour.Â* One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. Wow! How cool was that? Most of the linotype operators at the KC Star when I worked there were deaf and grads of the School for the Deaf. The clackity-clack of the machines didn't bother them. Good union jobs, too, with top drawer bennies. Linotype? You are showing your age now ;-) Our school paper (early 60s) was done in a Linotype shop out New York Avenue near the DC line. It was quite an operation. We switched printers a few months before I graduated, bringing in the juniors and got a glossy offset tabloid+ size for less money from a printer out around Clarksburg where one of those guys lived. It was a nicer product but it didn't have that newspaper feel. The pictures were actually almost photo quality and being offset, didn't cost anything extra. The pictures in the old paper were molded plates on 3/4" wood. I still have the plate for a cartoon I drew almost 60 years ago. I used to do the layout and it was different when you can use all the pictures you want. I think it made them lazy tho because they didn't need to write as much to fill 8 (or 12 pages, what the last issue in 64 was). I had copies of all the papers I worked on but they didn't make it in a move. Linotype was actually better in some ways. We had the computer system in Commerce Clearing House. The people who print all those tax code and law books you see lawyers offices. They said when lots did not change, was overall quicker and easier to reset a paragraph in Linotype than photo typesetting complete pages In lots of the books. When the computer is generating the offset plate, I am not sure how linotype could possibly be cheaper. It sounds more like they were just stuck in the 19th century. The whole linotype process is much more expensive to start with. That was what they said in 1964 and that labor certainly didn't get cheaper. The plates this guy as making were developed photos from a physical page layout. Now the whole thing is on the computer. The pressman gets the plate and the rest is the same. The Linotype plates made better printing sheets I think. And they said, lots of the books did not change for years. They also computer typeset new stuff. You do get better images from inked metal hitting paper but we live in the age of market driven quality. People usually never notice and they certainly don't want to pay extra unless it is a keepsake like a wedding invitation or money., high end business card or money. They can be expensive law and tax books. https://www.cch.com/about/ |
Flying on a Boeing jet?
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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 12:20:21 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/25/21 11:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Same, same. Like most Mrs.E. and I have been hibernating, partly due to cold, snowy weather but mostly due to the covid thing.Â* If we remain healthy and this virus crap is behind us, we have decided to start looking southward again .... maybe just for a winter place and spend the summers back up here.Â* Seems like we've been through this before though .... I'm guessing you'd drive down to Florida and back up to Massachusetts? Tip of the hat...I just don't have the patience for that kind of driving anymore. We break up the trip to Hilton Head or North Florida with a motel stopover. Do you have to bring your horses with you when you head south? The last few times we drove to DC it took at least a week. We went up through the mountains and hiked in the woods. If it is just me, I can do that coffee, speed and adrenalin straight through sprint at 80 but my wife is not really into that. Wife’s are like that. |
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