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Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo
radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 14:59:12 -0500, Wayne B
wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope You might have to try to get Elon Musk or Bill Gates to cough up $50-100 million. I doubt the government is going to do it. Since this is an international resource, where are the scientists from other countries who used it? |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize theArecibo radio telescope
On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 6:10:31 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 14:59:12 -0500, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope You might have to try to get Elon Musk or Bill Gates to cough up $50-100 million. I doubt the government is going to do it. Since this is an international resource, where are the scientists from other countries who used it? Trump would have other countries pitch in their share to fix it. Biden will just bend over and ask how much. Oh, and make sure the Ukraine and China pays nothing. Don't want to hurt Hunter's job security. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize theArecibo radio telescope
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Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize theArecibo radio telescope
On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 7:26:26 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 18:09:45 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 14:59:12 -0500, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope You might have to try to get Elon Musk or Bill Gates to cough up $50-100 million. I doubt the government is going to do it. Since this is an international resource, where are the scientists from other countries who used it? === I know nothing about the finances or international aspects. It just seems like a unique resource that is worth preserving. I was working on the technical staff in a research lab at Cornell University back in the 60s when the whole thing was coming online. In the middle of an upstate NY winter, most of us thought Puerto Rico would be a nice gig to have. It's unfortunate that so many jump to politicize the situation. More information he https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_Observatory But seriously, haven't you been politicizing things lately? Using statements like "a danger to our democracy", which is just liberal media BS? When it comes to governments, and their funding of all projects, it *IS* political. Are you OK with other countries using and reaping the benefits of this telescope without paying their fair share? At least Trump pushed back on the free-loading countries during his term. Why is that a bad thing? I suspect the midterms will tell the story. Hopefully the USA isn't that far gone. And we can get the other countries using this telescope to pay half, while we pay the other half. But that won't happen with Biden and Kammy. They'll give it away. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:26:21 -0500, Wayne B
wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 18:09:45 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 14:59:12 -0500, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope You might have to try to get Elon Musk or Bill Gates to cough up $50-100 million. I doubt the government is going to do it. Since this is an international resource, where are the scientists from other countries who used it? === I know nothing about the finances or international aspects. It just seems like a unique resource that is worth preserving. I was working on the technical staff in a research lab at Cornell University back in the 60s when the whole thing was coming online. In the middle of an upstate NY winter, most of us thought Puerto Rico would be a nice gig to have. It's unfortunate that so many jump to politicize the situation. More information he https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_Observatory I have been reading a little about this and the consensus is, most of the infrastructure is EOL. Salt air and other ravages from the environment has damaged this so badly they might be better off salvaging anything they can and starting over. It might end up being pretty much rebuilding from scratch. They won't have any military connection this time and no DoD money so this might actually be best done by a consortium of private companies. To put it in perspective, if they could raise just 10% of what we spent on this last election (~$1.4 BILLION) they could build a 21st century replacement for a mid 20th century complex with far more capabilities. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
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Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize theArecibo radio telescope
On 11/27/20 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:26:21 -0500, Wayne B wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 18:09:45 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 14:59:12 -0500, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope You might have to try to get Elon Musk or Bill Gates to cough up $50-100 million. I doubt the government is going to do it. Since this is an international resource, where are the scientists from other countries who used it? === I know nothing about the finances or international aspects. It just seems like a unique resource that is worth preserving. I was working on the technical staff in a research lab at Cornell University back in the 60s when the whole thing was coming online. In the middle of an upstate NY winter, most of us thought Puerto Rico would be a nice gig to have. It's unfortunate that so many jump to politicize the situation. More information he https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_Observatory I have been reading a little about this and the consensus is, most of the infrastructure is EOL. Salt air and other ravages from the environment has damaged this so badly they might be better off salvaging anything they can and starting over. It might end up being pretty much rebuilding from scratch. They won't have any military connection this time and no DoD money so this might actually be best done by a consortium of private companies. To put it in perspective, if they could raise just 10% of what we spent on this last election (~$1.4 BILLION) they could build a 21st century replacement for a mid 20th century complex with far more capabilities. I agree a new system is a better solution than repairing an out of date system, but it should be built by the government as a government facility using private sector subcontractors. This is the sort of facility that should be used for the public good. Let's not turn it into a damned toll road that profits private enterprise at the expense of the public. -- Bozo Bin resuscitated...John Herring in there, along with Bert Robbins, 452471atgmail.com, Just-AN-Asshole, Evangelical Tim, and Gunboy Alex. Oh, if you are in the Bozo Bin, it is because you are only here to insult or your posts lack wit or you are deadly dull, or a combination. In Just-AN-Asshole's case, it is all three. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 14:59:12 -0500, Wayne B
wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope A little more info: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03270-9 -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 07:58:25 -0500, John wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 14:59:12 -0500, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope A little more info: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03270-9 === Good article, thanks. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize theArecibo radio telescope
On 11/28/20 7:50 AM, Keyser Sze wrote:
On 11/27/20 10:51 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:26:21 -0500, Wayne B wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 18:09:45 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 14:59:12 -0500, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope You might have to try to get Elon Musk or Bill Gates to cough up $50-100 million. I doubt the government is going to do it. Since this is an international resource, where are the scientists from other countries who used it? === I know nothing about the finances or international aspects. It just seems like a unique resource that is worth preserving. I was working on the technical staff in a research lab at Cornell University back in the 60s when the whole thing was coming online. In the middle of an upstate NY winter, most of us thought Puerto Rico would be a nice gig to have. It's unfortunate that so many jump to politicize the situation. More information he https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_Observatory I have been reading a little about this and the consensus is, most of the infrastructure is EOL. Salt air and other ravages from the environment has damaged this so badly they might be better off salvaging anything they can and starting over. It might end up being pretty much rebuilding from scratch. They won't have any military connection this time and no DoD money so this might actually be best done by a consortium of private companies. To put it in perspective, if they could raise just 10% of what we spent on this last election (~$1.4 BILLION) they could build a 21st century replacement for a mid 20th century complex with far more capabilities. I agree a new system is a better solution than repairing an out of date system, but it should be built by the government as a government facility using private sector subcontractors. This is the sort of facility that should be used for the public good. Let's not turn it into a damned toll road that profits private enterprise at the expense of the public. Public good, Liberals code word for Gubmint wants control over everything. You don't have skinning the game anyway. Deadbeat. -- Don't Forget Ukraine. Don't Trust Joe. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 07:50:02 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 11/27/20 10:51 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:26:21 -0500, Wayne B wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 18:09:45 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 14:59:12 -0500, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope You might have to try to get Elon Musk or Bill Gates to cough up $50-100 million. I doubt the government is going to do it. Since this is an international resource, where are the scientists from other countries who used it? === I know nothing about the finances or international aspects. It just seems like a unique resource that is worth preserving. I was working on the technical staff in a research lab at Cornell University back in the 60s when the whole thing was coming online. In the middle of an upstate NY winter, most of us thought Puerto Rico would be a nice gig to have. It's unfortunate that so many jump to politicize the situation. More information he https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_Observatory I have been reading a little about this and the consensus is, most of the infrastructure is EOL. Salt air and other ravages from the environment has damaged this so badly they might be better off salvaging anything they can and starting over. It might end up being pretty much rebuilding from scratch. They won't have any military connection this time and no DoD money so this might actually be best done by a consortium of private companies. To put it in perspective, if they could raise just 10% of what we spent on this last election (~$1.4 BILLION) they could build a 21st century replacement for a mid 20th century complex with far more capabilities. I agree a new system is a better solution than repairing an out of date system, but it should be built by the government as a government facility using private sector subcontractors. This is the sort of facility that should be used for the public good. Let's not turn it into a damned toll road that profits private enterprise at the expense of the public. If this was a private enterprise they would have maintained it better, upgrading it over the years and we wouldn't be having this discussion. BTW who is taking astronauts into space these days? It isn't NASA, it is Elon Musk with the reusable rocket NASA never could quite figure out. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize theArecibo radio telescope
On 11/28/20 12:56 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 07:50:02 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: On 11/27/20 10:51 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:26:21 -0500, Wayne B wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 18:09:45 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 14:59:12 -0500, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope You might have to try to get Elon Musk or Bill Gates to cough up $50-100 million. I doubt the government is going to do it. Since this is an international resource, where are the scientists from other countries who used it? === I know nothing about the finances or international aspects. It just seems like a unique resource that is worth preserving. I was working on the technical staff in a research lab at Cornell University back in the 60s when the whole thing was coming online. In the middle of an upstate NY winter, most of us thought Puerto Rico would be a nice gig to have. It's unfortunate that so many jump to politicize the situation. More information he https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_Observatory I have been reading a little about this and the consensus is, most of the infrastructure is EOL. Salt air and other ravages from the environment has damaged this so badly they might be better off salvaging anything they can and starting over. It might end up being pretty much rebuilding from scratch. They won't have any military connection this time and no DoD money so this might actually be best done by a consortium of private companies. To put it in perspective, if they could raise just 10% of what we spent on this last election (~$1.4 BILLION) they could build a 21st century replacement for a mid 20th century complex with far more capabilities. I agree a new system is a better solution than repairing an out of date system, but it should be built by the government as a government facility using private sector subcontractors. This is the sort of facility that should be used for the public good. Let's not turn it into a damned toll road that profits private enterprise at the expense of the public. If this was a private enterprise they would have maintained it better, upgrading it over the years and we wouldn't be having this discussion. BTW who is taking astronauts into space these days? It isn't NASA, it is Elon Musk with the reusable rocket NASA never could quite figure out. Fat Harry, like all democrats, is a big gubmint guy. And like many low level lemmings is a deadbeat who knows how to spend OPM. -- Don't Forget Ukraine. Don't Trust Joe. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize theArecibo radio telescope
On 11/28/20 7:50 AM, Keyser Sze wrote:
On 11/27/20 10:51 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:26:21 -0500, Wayne B wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 18:09:45 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 14:59:12 -0500, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope You might have to try to get Elon Musk or Bill Gates to cough up $50-100 million. I doubt the government is going to do it. Since this is an international resource, where are the scientists from other countries who used it? === I know nothing about the finances or international aspects. It just seems like a unique resource that is worth preserving. I was working on the technical staff in a research lab at Cornell University back in the 60s when the whole thing was coming online. In the middle of an upstate NY winter, most of us thought Puerto Rico would be a nice gig to have. It's unfortunate that so many jump to politicize the situation. More information he https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_Observatory I have been reading a little about this and the consensus is, most of the infrastructure is EOL. Salt air and other ravages from the environment has damaged this so badly they might be better off salvaging anything they can and starting over. It might end up being pretty much rebuilding from scratch. They won't have any military connection this time and no DoD money so this might actually be best done by a consortium of private companies. To put it in perspective, if they could raise just 10% of what we spent on this last election (~$1.4 BILLION) they could build a 21st century replacement for a mid 20th century complex with far more capabilities. I agree a new system is a better solution than repairing an out of date system, but it should be built by the government as a government facility using private sector subcontractors. This is the sort of facility that should be used for the public good. Let's not turn it into a damned toll road that profits private enterprise at the expense of the public. Gubmint don't know how to build anything efficiently. -- Don't Forget Ukraine. Don't Trust Joe. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize theArecibo radio telescope
On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico—A huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto RicoA huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 === That's too bad. It would now take a huge amount of money and effort to rebuild it. Chances are probably slim to none unless a wealthy benefactor steps up to the plate. I had always hoped to see it in person. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto RicoA huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 I reckon that solves that problem. Glad no one was hurt. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilizethe Arecibo radio telescope
John wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto RicoA huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 I reckon that solves that problem. Glad no one was hurt. -- Freedom Isn't Free! With the lack of maintenance, I hope whomever was in charge does not get another management position. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 20:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico?A huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 I reckon that solves that problem. Glad no one was hurt. -- Freedom Isn't Free! With the lack of maintenance, I hope whomever was in charge does not get another management position. === I agree but it's possible there was a funding issue. NSF facilities are constantly struggling for budget dollars. There are newer radio telescopes that have come online since Arecibo was built and they might have had a higher funding priority. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize theArecibo radio telescope
On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:05:24 AM UTC-6, Justan O. wrote:
On 11/28/20 7:50 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/20 10:51 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:26:21 -0500, Wayne B wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 18:09:45 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 14:59:12 -0500, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope You might have to try to get Elon Musk or Bill Gates to cough up $50-100 million. I doubt the government is going to do it. Since this is an international resource, where are the scientists from other countries who used it? === I know nothing about the finances or international aspects. It just seems like a unique resource that is worth preserving. I was working on the technical staff in a research lab at Cornell University back in the 60s when the whole thing was coming online. In the middle of an upstate NY winter, most of us thought Puerto Rico would be a nice gig to have. It's unfortunate that so many jump to politicize the situation. More information he https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_Observatory I have been reading a little about this and the consensus is, most of the infrastructure is EOL. Salt air and other ravages from the environment has damaged this so badly they might be better off salvaging anything they can and starting over. It might end up being pretty much rebuilding from scratch. They won't have any military connection this time and no DoD money so this might actually be best done by a consortium of private companies. To put it in perspective, if they could raise just 10% of what we spent on this last election (~$1.4 BILLION) they could build a 21st century replacement for a mid 20th century complex with far more capabilities. I agree a new system is a better solution than repairing an out of date system, but it should be built by the government as a government facility using private sector subcontractors. This is the sort of facility that should be used for the public good. Let's not turn it into a damned toll road that profits private enterprise at the expense of the public. Public good, Liberals code word for Gubmint wants control over everything.. You don't have skinning the game anyway. Deadbeat. -- Don't Forget Ukraine. Don't Trust Joe. why would I forget Ukraine and why shouldn't I trust Joe.. Trump hasn't even visited Ukraine you cannot just leave food on doorsteps, someone has to deal with food shortages, hunger, unemployment... Gubmint programs are a good way to do it a box of free food on a door stoop in a ghetto will last about... a minute. Boxes will be stolen, mutilated and and missing daily. Not to mention eaten by stray dogs and cats. Rich people have no idea how poor neighborhoods work. Especially since they don’t even have supermarkets. On the plus side, maybe all of the STUPID poor people who voted for Trump will wake up when they realize they’ve losing their government checks, healthcare, Medicare, Medicaid and social security, because of Trump inaction and his holy “base” approval ratings will FINALLY tank. I mean below the abnormally low 33 percent. How he thinks he could parlay that into a popular or electoral win is a mystery mk5000 Like this in the early lessons, since the promise of learning Is a delusion, and I agreed, adding that Tomorrow would alter the sense of what had already been learned, That the learning process is extended in this way, so that from this standpoint None of us ever graduates from college, Soonest Mended BY JOHN ASHBERY |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
On Tue, 01 Dec 2020 17:18:08 -0500, Wayne B
wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 20:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico?A huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 I reckon that solves that problem. Glad no one was hurt. -- Freedom Isn't Free! With the lack of maintenance, I hope whomever was in charge does not get another management position. === I agree but it's possible there was a funding issue. NSF facilities are constantly struggling for budget dollars. There are newer radio telescopes that have come online since Arecibo was built and they might have had a higher funding priority. There are more capable receivers but Arecibo could also transmit. I agree the best chance will be if some rich people decide to take over the project. If they rebuild this with current technology they would really have something cool. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize theArecibo radio telescope
On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 6:32:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2020 17:18:08 -0500, Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 20:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico?A huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 I reckon that solves that problem. Glad no one was hurt. -- Freedom Isn't Free! With the lack of maintenance, I hope whomever was in charge does not get another management position. === I agree but it's possible there was a funding issue. NSF facilities are constantly struggling for budget dollars. There are newer radio telescopes that have come online since Arecibo was built and they might have had a higher funding priority. There are more capable receivers but Arecibo could also transmit. I agree the best chance will be if some rich people decide to take over the project. If they rebuild this with current technology they would really have something cool. Soros and the Hollywood elite should fund it. That way they'd be doing something worthwhile with their money instead of funding the liberal idiot politicians that they do. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
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Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 20:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico?A huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 I reckon that solves that problem. Glad no one was hurt. -- Freedom Isn't Free! With the lack of maintenance, I hope whomever was in charge does not get another management position. === I agree but it's possible there was a funding issue. NSF facilities are constantly struggling for budget dollars. There are newer radio telescopes that have come online since Arecibo was built and they might have had a higher funding priority. Still, cable maintenance should be close to numero uno. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 21:32:55 -0500, B wrote:
In article , says... I agree but it's possible there was a funding issue. NSF facilities are constantly struggling for budget dollars. There are newer radio telescopes that have come online since Arecibo was built and they might have had a higher funding priority. There are more capable receivers but Arecibo could also transmit. I agree the best chance will be if some rich people decide to take over the project. If they rebuild this with current technology they would really have something cool. Soros and the Hollywood elite should fund it. That way they'd be doing something worthwhile with their money instead of funding the liberal idiot politicians that they do. Soros and the leftist elites won't get involved because there is no destroying capitalism and buying of votes in it. I don't see any of those guys coming up with the money. Someone like Musk or Gates might tho. You might even get Buffett interested. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize theArecibo radio telescope
On 12/1/20 11:41 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 20:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico?A huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 I reckon that solves that problem. Glad no one was hurt. -- Freedom Isn't Free! With the lack of maintenance, I hope whomever was in charge does not get another management position. === I agree but it's possible there was a funding issue. NSF facilities are constantly struggling for budget dollars. There are newer radio telescopes that have come online since Arecibo was built and they might have had a higher funding priority. Still, cable maintenance should be close to numero uno. I wonder what the cost of a replacement telescope we need for the advancement of science is in comparison to another aircraft carrier we don't need. I read somewhere that the aircraft carrier named after Gerry Ford cost about $13 billion. -- Bozo Bin resuscitated...John Herring in there, along with Bert Robbins, 452471atgmail.com, Just-AN-Asshole, Evangelical Tim, and Gunboy Alex. Oh, if you are in the Bozo Bin, it is because you are only here to insult or your posts lack wit or you are deadly dull, or a combination. In Just-AN-Asshole's case, it is all three. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 04:41:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 20:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico?A huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 I reckon that solves that problem. Glad no one was hurt. -- Freedom Isn't Free! With the lack of maintenance, I hope whomever was in charge does not get another management position. === I agree but it's possible there was a funding issue. NSF facilities are constantly struggling for budget dollars. There are newer radio telescopes that have come online since Arecibo was built and they might have had a higher funding priority. Still, cable maintenance should be close to numero uno. In a tropical island, steel has a life span and all the maintenance in the world is not going to change that much. The way I understand it this cable rusted from the inside out. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilizethe Arecibo radio telescope
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/1/20 11:41 PM, Bill wrote: Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 20:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico?A huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 I reckon that solves that problem. Glad no one was hurt. -- Freedom Isn't Free! With the lack of maintenance, I hope whomever was in charge does not get another management position. === I agree but it's possible there was a funding issue. NSF facilities are constantly struggling for budget dollars. There are newer radio telescopes that have come online since Arecibo was built and they might have had a higher funding priority. Still, cable maintenance should be close to numero uno. I wonder what the cost of a replacement telescope we need for the advancement of science is in comparison to another aircraft carrier we don't need. I read somewhere that the aircraft carrier named after Gerry Ford cost about $13 billion. Apples and oranges. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilizethe Arecibo radio telescope
wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 04:41:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 20:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico?A huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 I reckon that solves that problem. Glad no one was hurt. -- Freedom Isn't Free! With the lack of maintenance, I hope whomever was in charge does not get another management position. === I agree but it's possible there was a funding issue. NSF facilities are constantly struggling for budget dollars. There are newer radio telescopes that have come online since Arecibo was built and they might have had a higher funding priority. Still, cable maintenance should be close to numero uno. In a tropical island, steel has a life span and all the maintenance in the world is not going to change that much. The way I understand it this cable rusted from the inside out. Maintenance is also replacing the cables when they wear. Rust is wear. Can you imagine a ski resort maintenance supervisor blowing off broken wires in a chairlift cable? |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:40:18 -0500, Keyser Sze
wrote: On 12/1/20 11:41 PM, Bill wrote: Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 20:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico?A huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 I reckon that solves that problem. Glad no one was hurt. -- Freedom Isn't Free! With the lack of maintenance, I hope whomever was in charge does not get another management position. === I agree but it's possible there was a funding issue. NSF facilities are constantly struggling for budget dollars. There are newer radio telescopes that have come online since Arecibo was built and they might have had a higher funding priority. Still, cable maintenance should be close to numero uno. I wonder what the cost of a replacement telescope we need for the advancement of science is in comparison to another aircraft carrier we don't need. I read somewhere that the aircraft carrier named after Gerry Ford cost about $13 billion. === I'm all for spending money on science but aircraft carriers are interesting from a strategic standpoint. They are like a little island of US territory that can be moved anywhere you want. And think of all those good union jobs involved in the construction and maintenance. :-) |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:40:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 12/1/20 11:41 PM, Bill wrote: Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 20:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico?A huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 I reckon that solves that problem. Glad no one was hurt. -- Freedom Isn't Free! With the lack of maintenance, I hope whomever was in charge does not get another management position. === I agree but it's possible there was a funding issue. NSF facilities are constantly struggling for budget dollars. There are newer radio telescopes that have come online since Arecibo was built and they might have had a higher funding priority. Still, cable maintenance should be close to numero uno. I wonder what the cost of a replacement telescope we need for the advancement of science is in comparison to another aircraft carrier we don't need. I read somewhere that the aircraft carrier named after Gerry Ford cost about $13 billion. In the grand scheme of things, this telescope is chump change. A couple percent of the $14 Billion in bribes they paid in this election would build a really nice one. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 18:36:49 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 04:41:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 20:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico?A huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 I reckon that solves that problem. Glad no one was hurt. -- Freedom Isn't Free! With the lack of maintenance, I hope whomever was in charge does not get another management position. === I agree but it's possible there was a funding issue. NSF facilities are constantly struggling for budget dollars. There are newer radio telescopes that have come online since Arecibo was built and they might have had a higher funding priority. Still, cable maintenance should be close to numero uno. In a tropical island, steel has a life span and all the maintenance in the world is not going to change that much. The way I understand it this cable rusted from the inside out. Maintenance is also replacing the cables when they wear. Rust is wear. Can you imagine a ski resort maintenance supervisor blowing off broken wires in a chairlift cable? This is not a simple thing to "Replace the cables" in. The "chair" in this case is 900 tons and no easy place to set it down. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize theArecibo radio telescope
On 12/2/20 1:55 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:40:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/1/20 11:41 PM, Bill wrote: Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 20:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico?A huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 I reckon that solves that problem. Glad no one was hurt. -- Freedom Isn't Free! With the lack of maintenance, I hope whomever was in charge does not get another management position. === I agree but it's possible there was a funding issue. NSF facilities are constantly struggling for budget dollars. There are newer radio telescopes that have come online since Arecibo was built and they might have had a higher funding priority. Still, cable maintenance should be close to numero uno. I wonder what the cost of a replacement telescope we need for the advancement of science is in comparison to another aircraft carrier we don't need. I read somewhere that the aircraft carrier named after Gerry Ford cost about $13 billion. === I'm all for spending money on science but aircraft carriers are interesting from a strategic standpoint. They are like a little island of US territory that can be moved anywhere you want. And think of all those good union jobs involved in the construction and maintenance. :-) We have enough aircraft carriers. I appreciate the great jobs building carriers provides, but the ironworkers, electricians, pipefitters, et cetera, could be building components for bridges, hospitals, treatment plants, power plants, AND a new super radio telescope. -- Bozo Bin resuscitated...John Herring in there, along with Bert Robbins, 452471atgmail.com, Just-AN-Asshole, Evangelical Tim, and Gunboy Alex. Oh, if you are in the Bozo Bin, it is because you are only here to insult or your posts lack wit or you are deadly dull, or a combination. In Just-AN-Asshole's case, it is all three. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope
On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 13:55:18 -0500, Wayne B
wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:40:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/1/20 11:41 PM, Bill wrote: Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 20:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico?A huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 I reckon that solves that problem. Glad no one was hurt. -- Freedom Isn't Free! With the lack of maintenance, I hope whomever was in charge does not get another management position. === I agree but it's possible there was a funding issue. NSF facilities are constantly struggling for budget dollars. There are newer radio telescopes that have come online since Arecibo was built and they might have had a higher funding priority. Still, cable maintenance should be close to numero uno. I wonder what the cost of a replacement telescope we need for the advancement of science is in comparison to another aircraft carrier we don't need. I read somewhere that the aircraft carrier named after Gerry Ford cost about $13 billion. === I'm all for spending money on science but aircraft carriers are interesting from a strategic standpoint. They are like a little island of US territory that can be moved anywhere you want. And think of all those good union jobs involved in the construction and maintenance. :-) I might agree with Harry more on this. Carriers are great for pummelling a 3d world country but they don't really add much to our national defense. In a war with any powerful country, our carriers would be artificial reefs in a week or so. (Zumwalt admitted that) They are great big targets you can't hide from satellites and would be easy pickings for a ballistic missile barrage. Our defenses are based on an attack from sea level, not warheads, maybe nuclear, falling out of space. |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize theArecibo radio telescope
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Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilizethe Arecibo radio telescope
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On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 18:36:49 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 04:41:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Wayne B wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 20:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 07:05:41 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilize the Arecibo radio telescope: "We urge emergency action to have the Army Corps of Engineers or another agency evaluate the telescope structure and search for a safe way to stabilize it," reads the petition to the White House, which had more than 28,000 signatures as of Friday. Space.com notes if the petition gets 100,000 signees by Dec. 21, the White House has to respond within two months. Jenniffer Gonzalez, Puerto Rico's resident commissioner, is also taking action, sending a letter to Congress last week to request funds to make repairs. The NSF maintains the structure is beyond safe renovation. "We understand the risk of going there and trying to fix it," Wilbert Ruperto-Hernandez, one of the organizers of the "Save the Arecibo Observatory" campaign, tells Space.com. "But not many people think that it should be an excuse to just demolish it." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/petition-emergency-action-evaluate-and-stabilize-arecibo-radio-telescope And just like that, now it's gone... "SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico?A huge, already damaged radio telescope in Puerto Rico that has played a key role in astronomical discoveries for more than half a century completely collapsed on Tuesday. The telescope's 900-ton receiver platform fell onto the reflector dish more than 400 feet below." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/huge-loss-huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-arecibo-collapses-following-n1249515 I reckon that solves that problem. Glad no one was hurt. -- Freedom Isn't Free! With the lack of maintenance, I hope whomever was in charge does not get another management position. === I agree but it's possible there was a funding issue. NSF facilities are constantly struggling for budget dollars. There are newer radio telescopes that have come online since Arecibo was built and they might have had a higher funding priority. Still, cable maintenance should be close to numero uno. In a tropical island, steel has a life span and all the maintenance in the world is not going to change that much. The way I understand it this cable rusted from the inside out. Maintenance is also replacing the cables when they wear. Rust is wear. Can you imagine a ski resort maintenance supervisor blowing off broken wires in a chairlift cable? This is not a simple thing to "Replace the cables" in. The "chair" in this case is 900 tons and no easy place to set it down. Attach parallel cables to start. Maybe decide 900 tons is a few too many tons. How much of that weight is old, unused or broken equipment? |
Signatures needed on petition to evaluate and stabilizethe Arecibo radio telescope
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