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What we SHOULD be worried about...
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:47:13 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 16:11:14 -0400, John wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:51:27 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:39:08 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 21:00:58 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 19:10:51 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 13:13:29 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:15:01 -0400, John wrote: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...-invade-taiwan And a chaotic election could be just the time China decides to do it! Considering the world's apathy toward what's going on in Hong Kong, it wouldn't surprise me. The only question is whether it is worth a nuclear war over. We are not beating China in a conventional war in their own back yard. They might be willing to lose a million soldiers in that war. How many dead Americans would be acceptable for us, fighting for an island most people think is part of China anyway? Our success in non-nuclear wars with Asians has been pretty dismal. What gives you the idea China would stop with Taiwan? Uh Oh the dreaded domino theory again. How many Asian wars do we have to lose over that cold war rhetoric? They haven't even indicated they want to take Taiwan and you already have them in Hawaii. Read the article. You missed the point entirely. I read it but I think the real result will be Japan waving a nuke or two in the air. They are fully capable of the technology, even if the US didn't just give them some like we did for Israel. That is a domino that might not be so easy to topple. If we are really so worried about Taiwan itself, why wasn't there more pressure to keep Hong Kong? As for the Philippines, they chose to leave the US and kicked us out. "Ya spins the wheel, ya take your chances". We weren't in control of Hong Kong. We aren't in charge of Taiwan either, nor the Philippines and in the latter case that was their choice. Maybe you should read the 2018 report on US Taiwan relations from Trump's state department https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/ ... and understand what the Jimmy Carter era law that still stands, said. We say we will "Maintain the Capacity" to defend Taiwan but it doesn't say we will do it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act Trump just signed another law the TAIPEI Act that says the US will strengthen Taiwan's relations with the rest of the world but we are silent about them not being part of China. We say we will "Maintain the Capacity" to defend Taiwan but it doesn't say we will do it. The exact language is "the President should-- (i) ``conduct regular transfers of defense articles to Taiwan that are tailored to meet the existing and likely future threats from the People's Republic of China, including supporting the efforts of Taiwan to develop and integrate asymmetric capabilities, as appropriate, mobile, survivable, and cost-effective capabilities, into its military forces". We have seen language like that before. We just said we would "Taiwanese" the war. I bet you remember what that meant in 1974-5 Our official stance is "not our circus, not our money". We don't have formal relations with Taiwan and we don't admit it is not part of China. Tell me again, how many GIs should die for them? We can't and shouldn't go to war with China over Taiwan. But, to me, it's a much bigger matter than the Black Lives Matter issue going on in this country. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
What we SHOULD be worried about...
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 07:23:10 -0400, John wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:47:13 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 16:11:14 -0400, John wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:51:27 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:39:08 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 21:00:58 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 19:10:51 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 13:13:29 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:15:01 -0400, John wrote: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...-invade-taiwan And a chaotic election could be just the time China decides to do it! Considering the world's apathy toward what's going on in Hong Kong, it wouldn't surprise me. The only question is whether it is worth a nuclear war over. We are not beating China in a conventional war in their own back yard. They might be willing to lose a million soldiers in that war. How many dead Americans would be acceptable for us, fighting for an island most people think is part of China anyway? Our success in non-nuclear wars with Asians has been pretty dismal. What gives you the idea China would stop with Taiwan? Uh Oh the dreaded domino theory again. How many Asian wars do we have to lose over that cold war rhetoric? They haven't even indicated they want to take Taiwan and you already have them in Hawaii. Read the article. You missed the point entirely. I read it but I think the real result will be Japan waving a nuke or two in the air. They are fully capable of the technology, even if the US didn't just give them some like we did for Israel. That is a domino that might not be so easy to topple. If we are really so worried about Taiwan itself, why wasn't there more pressure to keep Hong Kong? As for the Philippines, they chose to leave the US and kicked us out. "Ya spins the wheel, ya take your chances". We weren't in control of Hong Kong. We aren't in charge of Taiwan either, nor the Philippines and in the latter case that was their choice. Maybe you should read the 2018 report on US Taiwan relations from Trump's state department https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/ ... and understand what the Jimmy Carter era law that still stands, said. We say we will "Maintain the Capacity" to defend Taiwan but it doesn't say we will do it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act Trump just signed another law the TAIPEI Act that says the US will strengthen Taiwan's relations with the rest of the world but we are silent about them not being part of China. We say we will "Maintain the Capacity" to defend Taiwan but it doesn't say we will do it. The exact language is "the President should-- (i) ``conduct regular transfers of defense articles to Taiwan that are tailored to meet the existing and likely future threats from the People's Republic of China, including supporting the efforts of Taiwan to develop and integrate asymmetric capabilities, as appropriate, mobile, survivable, and cost-effective capabilities, into its military forces". We have seen language like that before. We just said we would "Taiwanese" the war. I bet you remember what that meant in 1974-5 Our official stance is "not our circus, not our money". We don't have formal relations with Taiwan and we don't admit it is not part of China. Tell me again, how many GIs should die for them? We can't and shouldn't go to war with China over Taiwan. But, to me, it's a much bigger matter than the Black Lives Matter issue going on in this country. I am just pointing out our official policy has been that we would not intervene since the Carter administration so your initial comment is immaterial. |
What we SHOULD be worried about...
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 14:43:52 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 07:23:10 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:47:13 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 16:11:14 -0400, John wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:51:27 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:39:08 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 21:00:58 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 19:10:51 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 13:13:29 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:15:01 -0400, John wrote: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...-invade-taiwan And a chaotic election could be just the time China decides to do it! Considering the world's apathy toward what's going on in Hong Kong, it wouldn't surprise me. The only question is whether it is worth a nuclear war over. We are not beating China in a conventional war in their own back yard. They might be willing to lose a million soldiers in that war. How many dead Americans would be acceptable for us, fighting for an island most people think is part of China anyway? Our success in non-nuclear wars with Asians has been pretty dismal. What gives you the idea China would stop with Taiwan? Uh Oh the dreaded domino theory again. How many Asian wars do we have to lose over that cold war rhetoric? They haven't even indicated they want to take Taiwan and you already have them in Hawaii. Read the article. You missed the point entirely. I read it but I think the real result will be Japan waving a nuke or two in the air. They are fully capable of the technology, even if the US didn't just give them some like we did for Israel. That is a domino that might not be so easy to topple. If we are really so worried about Taiwan itself, why wasn't there more pressure to keep Hong Kong? As for the Philippines, they chose to leave the US and kicked us out. "Ya spins the wheel, ya take your chances". We weren't in control of Hong Kong. We aren't in charge of Taiwan either, nor the Philippines and in the latter case that was their choice. Maybe you should read the 2018 report on US Taiwan relations from Trump's state department https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/ ... and understand what the Jimmy Carter era law that still stands, said. We say we will "Maintain the Capacity" to defend Taiwan but it doesn't say we will do it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act Trump just signed another law the TAIPEI Act that says the US will strengthen Taiwan's relations with the rest of the world but we are silent about them not being part of China. We say we will "Maintain the Capacity" to defend Taiwan but it doesn't say we will do it. The exact language is "the President should-- (i) ``conduct regular transfers of defense articles to Taiwan that are tailored to meet the existing and likely future threats from the People's Republic of China, including supporting the efforts of Taiwan to develop and integrate asymmetric capabilities, as appropriate, mobile, survivable, and cost-effective capabilities, into its military forces". We have seen language like that before. We just said we would "Taiwanese" the war. I bet you remember what that meant in 1974-5 Our official stance is "not our circus, not our money". We don't have formal relations with Taiwan and we don't admit it is not part of China. Tell me again, how many GIs should die for them? We can't and shouldn't go to war with China over Taiwan. But, to me, it's a much bigger matter than the Black Lives Matter issue going on in this country. I am just pointing out our official policy has been that we would not intervene since the Carter administration so your initial comment is immaterial. My initial comment was an article pointing out the consequences of China invading Taiwan and commenting on the timing. 'Official policy' can be changed in a heartbeat. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
What we SHOULD be worried about...
On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 07:57:53 -0400, John wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 14:43:52 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 07:23:10 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:47:13 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 16:11:14 -0400, John wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:51:27 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:39:08 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 21:00:58 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 19:10:51 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 13:13:29 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:15:01 -0400, John wrote: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...-invade-taiwan And a chaotic election could be just the time China decides to do it! Considering the world's apathy toward what's going on in Hong Kong, it wouldn't surprise me. The only question is whether it is worth a nuclear war over. We are not beating China in a conventional war in their own back yard. They might be willing to lose a million soldiers in that war. How many dead Americans would be acceptable for us, fighting for an island most people think is part of China anyway? Our success in non-nuclear wars with Asians has been pretty dismal. What gives you the idea China would stop with Taiwan? Uh Oh the dreaded domino theory again. How many Asian wars do we have to lose over that cold war rhetoric? They haven't even indicated they want to take Taiwan and you already have them in Hawaii. Read the article. You missed the point entirely. I read it but I think the real result will be Japan waving a nuke or two in the air. They are fully capable of the technology, even if the US didn't just give them some like we did for Israel. That is a domino that might not be so easy to topple. If we are really so worried about Taiwan itself, why wasn't there more pressure to keep Hong Kong? As for the Philippines, they chose to leave the US and kicked us out. "Ya spins the wheel, ya take your chances". We weren't in control of Hong Kong. We aren't in charge of Taiwan either, nor the Philippines and in the latter case that was their choice. Maybe you should read the 2018 report on US Taiwan relations from Trump's state department https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/ ... and understand what the Jimmy Carter era law that still stands, said. We say we will "Maintain the Capacity" to defend Taiwan but it doesn't say we will do it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act Trump just signed another law the TAIPEI Act that says the US will strengthen Taiwan's relations with the rest of the world but we are silent about them not being part of China. We say we will "Maintain the Capacity" to defend Taiwan but it doesn't say we will do it. The exact language is "the President should-- (i) ``conduct regular transfers of defense articles to Taiwan that are tailored to meet the existing and likely future threats from the People's Republic of China, including supporting the efforts of Taiwan to develop and integrate asymmetric capabilities, as appropriate, mobile, survivable, and cost-effective capabilities, into its military forces". We have seen language like that before. We just said we would "Taiwanese" the war. I bet you remember what that meant in 1974-5 Our official stance is "not our circus, not our money". We don't have formal relations with Taiwan and we don't admit it is not part of China. Tell me again, how many GIs should die for them? We can't and shouldn't go to war with China over Taiwan. But, to me, it's a much bigger matter than the Black Lives Matter issue going on in this country. I am just pointing out our official policy has been that we would not intervene since the Carter administration so your initial comment is immaterial. My initial comment was an article pointing out the consequences of China invading Taiwan and commenting on the timing. 'Official policy' can be changed in a heartbeat. I hope not. Every time we got involved in Asian wars in my lifetime, we got our ass handed to us. Trump and the GOP senate punted in the Taipei bill too. We will sell them arms and advise them but we are not getting involved. If China took over Taiwan, we would protest and complain but not much else would come of it. Our policy for the last 40+ years has been there is only one China so it is a non-question. It was our defacto policy since Nixon. Carter put it down on paper. |
What we SHOULD be worried about...
On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 09:00:22 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 07:57:53 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 14:43:52 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 07:23:10 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:47:13 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 16:11:14 -0400, John wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:51:27 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:39:08 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 21:00:58 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 19:10:51 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 13:13:29 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:15:01 -0400, John wrote: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...-invade-taiwan And a chaotic election could be just the time China decides to do it! Considering the world's apathy toward what's going on in Hong Kong, it wouldn't surprise me. The only question is whether it is worth a nuclear war over. We are not beating China in a conventional war in their own back yard. They might be willing to lose a million soldiers in that war. How many dead Americans would be acceptable for us, fighting for an island most people think is part of China anyway? Our success in non-nuclear wars with Asians has been pretty dismal. What gives you the idea China would stop with Taiwan? Uh Oh the dreaded domino theory again. How many Asian wars do we have to lose over that cold war rhetoric? They haven't even indicated they want to take Taiwan and you already have them in Hawaii. Read the article. You missed the point entirely. I read it but I think the real result will be Japan waving a nuke or two in the air. They are fully capable of the technology, even if the US didn't just give them some like we did for Israel. That is a domino that might not be so easy to topple. If we are really so worried about Taiwan itself, why wasn't there more pressure to keep Hong Kong? As for the Philippines, they chose to leave the US and kicked us out. "Ya spins the wheel, ya take your chances". We weren't in control of Hong Kong. We aren't in charge of Taiwan either, nor the Philippines and in the latter case that was their choice. Maybe you should read the 2018 report on US Taiwan relations from Trump's state department https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/ ... and understand what the Jimmy Carter era law that still stands, said. We say we will "Maintain the Capacity" to defend Taiwan but it doesn't say we will do it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act Trump just signed another law the TAIPEI Act that says the US will strengthen Taiwan's relations with the rest of the world but we are silent about them not being part of China. We say we will "Maintain the Capacity" to defend Taiwan but it doesn't say we will do it. The exact language is "the President should-- (i) ``conduct regular transfers of defense articles to Taiwan that are tailored to meet the existing and likely future threats from the People's Republic of China, including supporting the efforts of Taiwan to develop and integrate asymmetric capabilities, as appropriate, mobile, survivable, and cost-effective capabilities, into its military forces". We have seen language like that before. We just said we would "Taiwanese" the war. I bet you remember what that meant in 1974-5 Our official stance is "not our circus, not our money". We don't have formal relations with Taiwan and we don't admit it is not part of China. Tell me again, how many GIs should die for them? We can't and shouldn't go to war with China over Taiwan. But, to me, it's a much bigger matter than the Black Lives Matter issue going on in this country. I am just pointing out our official policy has been that we would not intervene since the Carter administration so your initial comment is immaterial. My initial comment was an article pointing out the consequences of China invading Taiwan and commenting on the timing. 'Official policy' can be changed in a heartbeat. I hope not. Dream on. Every time we got involved in Asian wars in my lifetime, we got our ass handed to us. Trump and the GOP senate punted in the Taipei bill too. We will sell them arms and advise them but we are not getting involved. If China took over Taiwan, we would protest and complain but not much else would come of it. Our policy for the last 40+ years has been there is only one China so it is a non-question. It was our defacto policy since Nixon. Carter put it down on paper. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
What we SHOULD be worried about...
On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 15:15:02 -0400, John wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 09:00:22 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 07:57:53 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 14:43:52 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 07:23:10 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:47:13 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 16:11:14 -0400, John wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:51:27 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:39:08 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 21:00:58 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 19:10:51 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 13:13:29 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:15:01 -0400, John wrote: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...-invade-taiwan And a chaotic election could be just the time China decides to do it! Considering the world's apathy toward what's going on in Hong Kong, it wouldn't surprise me. The only question is whether it is worth a nuclear war over. We are not beating China in a conventional war in their own back yard. They might be willing to lose a million soldiers in that war. How many dead Americans would be acceptable for us, fighting for an island most people think is part of China anyway? Our success in non-nuclear wars with Asians has been pretty dismal. What gives you the idea China would stop with Taiwan? Uh Oh the dreaded domino theory again. How many Asian wars do we have to lose over that cold war rhetoric? They haven't even indicated they want to take Taiwan and you already have them in Hawaii. Read the article. You missed the point entirely. I read it but I think the real result will be Japan waving a nuke or two in the air. They are fully capable of the technology, even if the US didn't just give them some like we did for Israel. That is a domino that might not be so easy to topple. If we are really so worried about Taiwan itself, why wasn't there more pressure to keep Hong Kong? As for the Philippines, they chose to leave the US and kicked us out. "Ya spins the wheel, ya take your chances". We weren't in control of Hong Kong. We aren't in charge of Taiwan either, nor the Philippines and in the latter case that was their choice. Maybe you should read the 2018 report on US Taiwan relations from Trump's state department https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/ ... and understand what the Jimmy Carter era law that still stands, said. We say we will "Maintain the Capacity" to defend Taiwan but it doesn't say we will do it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act Trump just signed another law the TAIPEI Act that says the US will strengthen Taiwan's relations with the rest of the world but we are silent about them not being part of China. We say we will "Maintain the Capacity" to defend Taiwan but it doesn't say we will do it. The exact language is "the President should-- (i) ``conduct regular transfers of defense articles to Taiwan that are tailored to meet the existing and likely future threats from the People's Republic of China, including supporting the efforts of Taiwan to develop and integrate asymmetric capabilities, as appropriate, mobile, survivable, and cost-effective capabilities, into its military forces". We have seen language like that before. We just said we would "Taiwanese" the war. I bet you remember what that meant in 1974-5 Our official stance is "not our circus, not our money". We don't have formal relations with Taiwan and we don't admit it is not part of China. Tell me again, how many GIs should die for them? We can't and shouldn't go to war with China over Taiwan. But, to me, it's a much bigger matter than the Black Lives Matter issue going on in this country. I am just pointing out our official policy has been that we would not intervene since the Carter administration so your initial comment is immaterial. My initial comment was an article pointing out the consequences of China invading Taiwan and commenting on the timing. 'Official policy' can be changed in a heartbeat. I hope not. Dream on. That is not a dream it is a nightmare. A war with China over Taiwan could very well end the world as we know it. We would either lose right away, lose after a bloody conflict or we would end up nuking them. It is the only way we have ever beat an Asian country. The reality is, we might not even have any allies, particularly near there. I wouldn't count on much help from Europe either. Every time we got involved in Asian wars in my lifetime, we got our ass handed to us. Trump and the GOP senate punted in the Taipei bill too. We will sell them arms and advise them but we are not getting involved. If China took over Taiwan, we would protest and complain but not much else would come of it. Our policy for the last 40+ years has been there is only one China so it is a non-question. It was our defacto policy since Nixon. Carter put it down on paper. |
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