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Why are we fighting over masks? (as a nation)
On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:43:43 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote: On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 4:44:45 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:13:46 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:44:26 -0400, wrote: So are you suggesting our attempt (and success) at flattening the curve was unnecessary? No matter how steeply the curve climbed our medical system could have handled it? That's bull**** and you know it. I just wonder how little we really needed to do to accomplish that. Of course if you are right, we could still have been at the gym, disco or Easter services if we just had a mask. :-) === In the absence of an effective vaccine or treatment it will take a combination of actions to keep this thing under control. Mask wearing, social distancing and avoidance of high risk behavior can all help with that. People who refuse out of some misguided notion should be subjected to peer pressure since the govrnment can't be everywhere and peer pressure is probably more effective. It certainly is becoming apparent that the only way to open is to get some form of immunity and without an effective vaccine, that comes by people surviving the infection. You can try to sugar coat it but that is the reality. New Zealand got a lesson last week. One guy potentially infected a couple hundred people (I haven't seen the real number of infections but something like 280 were quarantined) in spite of sealing the borders of the country. There was no immunity so one stray case rippled through everyone he met and the people who met him met. If he had been wearing a mask and was social distancing, that number of infected people may have been 7 instead of 280. :) How do you know he wasn't |
Why are we fighting over masks? (as a nation)
On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:33:17 -0400, wrote:
I have always been able to vote against someone I don't like without just voting for someone I hate a little less. Yes, but you will vote for one with no chance, just so you can say you didn't vote for the winner. I don't feel the obligation to waste my vote on someone I don't like just so I might be able to say "I won". I vote for someone I believe in and so I can look myself in the mirror. === Of course that is your right (and priviledge) as a citizen in a constitutional democracy. But what if it turns out that one of the two candidates you don't like is doing everything possible to circumvent and undermine the constitution? What if that same candidate has demonstrated a lack of intellectual capacity to understand basic science, and disrepects experts in the field of medecine? What if that same person openly supports neo-nazis and white supremicist groups? In my mind it should be a top priority to get that person out of office before more damage is done. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
Why are we fighting over masks? (as a nation)
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:33:17 -0400, wrote: I have always been able to vote against someone I don't like without just voting for someone I hate a little less. Yes, but you will vote for one with no chance, just so you can say you didn't vote for the winner. I don't feel the obligation to waste my vote on someone I don't like just so I might be able to say "I won". I vote for someone I believe in and so I can look myself in the mirror. === Of course that is your right (and priviledge) as a citizen in a constitutional democracy. But what if it turns out that one of the two candidates you don't like is doing everything possible to circumvent and undermine the constitution? What if that same candidate has demonstrated a lack of intellectual capacity to understand basic science, and disrepects experts in the field of medecine? What if that same person openly supports neo-nazis and white supremicist groups? In my mind it should be a top priority to get that person out of office before more damage is done. How about the present Democrat candidate? Supported racist groups, not white supremacy, but still racist. How about a VEEP who was in office when the President got illegal FISA warrants, undermining the election. The VEEP when the Mideast wars were expanded? I did not vote for either major candidates last election and will not give any numerical support to them this election. California will go Democrat no matter what. A VEEP running with Biden who he claims overcame being black and the education system. Kamela Harris went to private schools, her mom is a multiple Phd. So you have another lying professional politician! |
Why are we fighting over masks? (as a nation)
On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 7:07:24 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:43:43 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 4:44:45 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:13:46 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:44:26 -0400, wrote: So are you suggesting our attempt (and success) at flattening the curve was unnecessary? No matter how steeply the curve climbed our medical system could have handled it? That's bull**** and you know it. I just wonder how little we really needed to do to accomplish that. Of course if you are right, we could still have been at the gym, disco or Easter services if we just had a mask. :-) === In the absence of an effective vaccine or treatment it will take a combination of actions to keep this thing under control. Mask wearing, social distancing and avoidance of high risk behavior can all help with that. People who refuse out of some misguided notion should be subjected to peer pressure since the govrnment can't be everywhere and peer pressure is probably more effective. It certainly is becoming apparent that the only way to open is to get some form of immunity and without an effective vaccine, that comes by people surviving the infection. You can try to sugar coat it but that is the reality. New Zealand got a lesson last week. One guy potentially infected a couple hundred people (I haven't seen the real number of infections but something like 280 were quarantined) in spite of sealing the borders of the country. There was no immunity so one stray case rippled through everyone he met and the people who met him met. If he had been wearing a mask and was social distancing, that number of infected people may have been 7 instead of 280. :) How do you know he wasn't Because NZ wasn't requiring mask, and had eased any restrictions on their citizens, with very few exceptions. How do you know he, among a population that was not wearing masks, was? |
Why are we fighting over masks? (as a nation)
On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 22:00:19 -0400,
wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:33:17 -0400, wrote: I have always been able to vote against someone I don't like without just voting for someone I hate a little less. Yes, but you will vote for one with no chance, just so you can say you didn't vote for the winner. I don't feel the obligation to waste my vote on someone I don't like just so I might be able to say "I won". I vote for someone I believe in and so I can look myself in the mirror. === Of course that is your right (and priviledge) as a citizen in a constitutional democracy. But what if it turns out that one of the two candidates you don't like is doing everything possible to circumvent and undermine the constitution? What if that same candidate has demonstrated a lack of intellectual capacity to understand basic science, and disrepects experts in the field of medecine? What if that same person openly supports neo-nazis and white supremicist groups? In my mind it should be a top priority to get that person out of office before more damage is done. Who are you talking about? I have a hard time thinking of a president who didn't stretch the Constitution to the breaking point. (maybe Carter) The mask thing isn't medicine, it is politics and feel good mandates. The medicine thing will come up as soon as John opens that link and points out it applied to medical workers. What do we want to see, study that applied to sex workers or something? |
Why are we fighting over masks? (as a nation)
On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 1:08:43 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 22:00:19 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:33:17 -0400, wrote: I have always been able to vote against someone I don't like without just voting for someone I hate a little less. Yes, but you will vote for one with no chance, just so you can say you didn't vote for the winner. I don't feel the obligation to waste my vote on someone I don't like just so I might be able to say "I won". I vote for someone I believe in and so I can look myself in the mirror. === Of course that is your right (and priviledge) as a citizen in a constitutional democracy. But what if it turns out that one of the two candidates you don't like is doing everything possible to circumvent and undermine the constitution? What if that same candidate has demonstrated a lack of intellectual capacity to understand basic science, and disrepects experts in the field of medecine? What if that same person openly supports neo-nazis and white supremicist groups? In my mind it should be a top priority to get that person out of office before more damage is done. Who are you talking about? I have a hard time thinking of a president who didn't stretch the Constitution to the breaking point. (maybe Carter) The mask thing isn't medicine, it is politics and feel good mandates. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent But again, no matter how many times it is pointed out that masks do work, you will still be spouting mis-information that they somehow don't. Are you sure that you're not a CNN reporter? :) |
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