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On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. |
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On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. The point is they don't know and with no standards on what a "mask" is, they will never know. If a real surgical mask won't work (in the study) how in the hell is one of those fishermen's sun block things doing anything? |
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On 5/27/2020 10:35 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. The point is they don't know and with no standards on what a "mask" is, they will never know. If a real surgical mask won't work (in the study) how in the hell is one of those fishermen's sun block things doing anything? Define "work". What exactly is a home-made or non-surgical mask supposed to do? -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Wed, 27 May 2020 16:41:22 -0400, wrote:
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 You've posted this 4-patient study befo A comment: "As the authors acknowledge, their study does NOT evaluate the ability of the masks to shorten the trajectory of droplets emitted during coughing. The function of the mask is to reduce how far aerosol droplets travel during breathing, speaking, singing, sneezing, or coughing. This is the same reason one should cover one’s mouth or nose with your forearm, inside of your elbow, or tissue when sneezing. CDC guidelines advise the wearing of face coverings to "slow the spread of the virus and help people who may have the virus and do not know it from transmitting it to others.” -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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says... On 5/27/2020 10:35 PM, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. The point is they don't know and with no standards on what a "mask" is, they will never know. If a real surgical mask won't work (in the study) how in the hell is one of those fishermen's sun block things doing anything? Define "work". What exactly is a home-made or non-surgical mask supposed to do? It is to provide others with an emotional reaction. He is a good guy he has something covering his mouth, he cares. |
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On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the viruswith a cloth or non-N-95 mask.That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade orof the non-surgical type."coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus willland there.Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feetaway from the person coughing. Test wearing a maskand without a mask. Let us know the results.The point is they don't know and with no standards on what a "mask"is, they will never know. If a real surgical mask won't work (in thestudy) how in the hell is one of those fishermen's sun block thingsdoing anything? N95 seems to be a standard. Furnace filters and vaccum cleaner bags claim to adhere to various standards. That study done with 5 subjects seems pretty hokey and un scientific. With so much unknown about this virus there are only assumptions we have to deal with currently. 1 It spreads fast. 2 It kills quickly. 3 Treatment seems to be attacking the symptoms and hoping for the best. 4 Most will survive. 5 Aquired immunity is uncertain. 6 The particle size has been estimated at 1 to 3 microns. 7 Whether the virus needs a live host has been debated. 8 Far to many people are ignoring all precautions. 9 Dr. Fretwells assesments may be correct but I'm not betting my life on it. We wear masks and gloves as appropriate We wash hands a lot We try not to touch our faces We social distance and monitor people nearby for behavior Anything we purchase gets disinfected with Lysol in the car and or in the garage before bringing into the house. In general, we follow the latest advice from the heavy hitters. ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Thu, 28 May 2020 09:56:53 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart
wrote: Wrote in message: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the viruswith a cloth or non-N-95 mask.That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade orof the non-surgical type."coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus willland there.Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feetaway from the person coughing. Test wearing a maskand without a mask. Let us know the results.The point is they don't know and with no standards on what a "mask"is, they will never know. If a real surgical mask won't work (in thestudy) how in the hell is one of those fishermen's sun block thingsdoing anything? N95 seems to be a standard. Furnace filters and vaccum cleaner bags claim to adhere to various standards. That study done with 5 subjects seems pretty hokey and un scientific. With so much unknown about this virus there are only assumptions we have to deal with currently. 1 It spreads fast. 2 It kills quickly. 3 Treatment seems to be attacking the symptoms and hoping for the best. 4 Most will survive. 5 Aquired immunity is uncertain. 6 The particle size has been estimated at 1 to 3 microns. 7 Whether the virus needs a live host has been debated. 8 Far to many people are ignoring all precautions. 9 Dr. Fretwells assesments may be correct but I'm not betting my life on it. We wear masks and gloves as appropriate We wash hands a lot We try not to touch our faces We social distance and monitor people nearby for behavior Anything we purchase gets disinfected with Lysol in the car and or in the garage before bringing into the house. In general, we follow the latest advice from the heavy hitters. === Good summary. We're doing about the same. So far so good. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 5/27/20 10:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or sneezing. Or exhaling. Or wheezing from allergies. Or have been anywhere near Fretwell. :) -- MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes |
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On Thu, 28 May 2020 00:27:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 5/27/2020 10:35 PM, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. The point is they don't know and with no standards on what a "mask" is, they will never know. If a real surgical mask won't work (in the study) how in the hell is one of those fishermen's sun block things doing anything? Define "work". What exactly is a home-made or non-surgical mask supposed to do? If it is not stopping the virus, it isn't working. The microscopic particles that escape are the ones most likely to be able to hang in the air. Big drops would quickly fall out. |
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On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. |
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On Thu, 28 May 2020 09:56:53 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart
wrote: Wrote in message: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the viruswith a cloth or non-N-95 mask.That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade orof the non-surgical type."coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus willland there.Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feetaway from the person coughing. Test wearing a maskand without a mask. Let us know the results.The point is they don't know and with no standards on what a "mask"is, they will never know. If a real surgical mask won't work (in thestudy) how in the hell is one of those fishermen's sun block thingsdoing anything? N95 seems to be a standard. Furnace filters and vaccum cleaner bags claim to adhere to various standards. That study done with 5 subjects seems pretty hokey and un scientific. There is very little about this mask idea that is scientific. N-95 might be the standard but only if you can find them. You also need to get the ones without the valve in front or don't bother. The valve opens when you exhale so it isn't doing anything. I haven't seen many 95s, most are just some kind of do rag. With so much unknown about this virus there are only assumptions we have to deal with currently. 1 It spreads fast. 2 It kills quickly. 3 Treatment seems to be attacking the symptoms and hoping for the best. 4 Most will survive. 5 Aquired immunity is uncertain. If there is no immunity, we are all going to die. That is unlikely tho. 6 The particle size has been estimated at 1 to 3 microns. You are off by a factor of 10. The virus is 0.1 - 0.3 microns. An N-95 is not even certified to stop it. (95% of things 0.3 microns) 7 Whether the virus needs a live host has been debated. It can live without a host, it just can't replicate seems to be the consensus. 8 Far to many people are ignoring all precautions. Define "all precautions". Most people are distancing around here, it is just the mask thing that is being debated. 9 Dr. Fretwells assesments may be correct but I'm not betting my life on it. We wear masks and gloves as appropriate Improperly handling masks and gloves makes them more of a vector for the disease than protection from it. It is no accident that in a medical environment these things are "use once and throw away" in the biohazard container. We wash hands a lot We try not to touch our faces We social distance and monitor people nearby for behavior Anything we purchase gets disinfected with Lysol in the car and or in the garage before bringing into the house. In general, we follow the latest advice from the heavy hitters. Do whatever makes you feel good. |
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On 5/28/2020 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. Right! You are catching on! :-) The recommendation and in some cases *requirement* to wear a mask of some type is if you *cannot* maintain at least 6 feet of social distancing. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On 5/28/2020 3:20 PM, John wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. We all are actually. Here's the solution: Wear a mask or don't wear a mask. If you live in an area where a mask is mandatory and you decide not to ... pay the $300 fine. If you don't want to pay the fine ... pay a lawyer at least $1,000 to take it to court to prove .... you're a nut. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Thu, 28 May 2020 14:10:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 5/28/2020 11:48 AM, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. Right! You are catching on! :-) The recommendation and in some cases *requirement* to wear a mask of some type is if you *cannot* maintain at least 6 feet of social distancing. I don't have any problem maintaining the 6 feet, and then some as a rule. I am certainly not standing around in a crowd. |
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On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couple months but they limit the number of people in there, they stopped giving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are not bunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonable distance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem is prolonged contact, not just walking past someone. When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. They are people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party, probably passing a joint around among other things. |
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On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:52:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 5/28/2020 3:20 PM, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. We all are actually. Here's the solution: Wear a mask or don't wear a mask. If you live in an area where a mask is mandatory and you decide not to ... pay the $300 fine. If you don't want to pay the fine ... pay a lawyer at least $1,000 to take it to court to prove .... you're a nut. Yeah just wear this star on your arm too while you are at it. What do you have to lose? |
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On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:52:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 5/28/2020 3:20 PM, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. We all are actually. Here's the solution: Wear a mask or don't wear a mask. If you live in an area where a mask is mandatory and you decide not to ... pay the $300 fine. If you don't want to pay the fine ... pay a lawyer at least $1,000 to take it to court to prove .... you're a nut. LOL! -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:31:32 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:52:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/28/2020 3:20 PM, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. We all are actually. Here's the solution: Wear a mask or don't wear a mask. If you live in an area where a mask is mandatory and you decide not to ... pay the $300 fine. If you don't want to pay the fine ... pay a lawyer at least $1,000 to take it to court to prove .... you're a nut. Yeah just wear this star on your arm too while you are at it. What do you have to lose? Bull****. The wearing of a mask shows concern and may help reduce the spread to others. Your Hitler analogy is simple desparation. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:30:02 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couple months but they limit the number of people in there, they stopped giving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are not bunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonable distance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem is prolonged contact, not just walking past someone. When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. They are people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party, probably passing a joint around among other things. Greg, don't wear a mask. If I see you in a store or other place of business, I'll think you don't give a **** about others. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:30:02 -0400, wrote:On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote:On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote:On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote:On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote:On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the viruswith a cloth or non-N-95 mask.That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade orof the non-surgical type."coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus willland there.Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feetaway from the person coughing. Test wearing a maskand without a mask. Let us know the results.Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right?That is what the 6 feet is all about.If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'llsee what I mean.You're starting to sound very silly. Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couplemonths but they limit the number of people in there, they stoppedgiving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are notbunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonabledistance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem isprolonged contact, not just walking past someone. When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. Theyare people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party,probably passing a joint around among other things.Greg, don't wear a mask. If I see you in a store or other place of business,I'll think you don't give a **** about others.--Freedom Isn't Free! And you'll know to give him a wide berth as if he's a leper or is a petri dish of unthinkable diseases. -- Warning. Use provided links at your own risk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 07:18:11 -0400, John wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:31:32 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:52:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/28/2020 3:20 PM, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. We all are actually. Here's the solution: Wear a mask or don't wear a mask. If you live in an area where a mask is mandatory and you decide not to ... pay the $300 fine. If you don't want to pay the fine ... pay a lawyer at least $1,000 to take it to court to prove .... you're a nut. Yeah just wear this star on your arm too while you are at it. What do you have to lose? Bull****. The wearing of a mask shows concern and may help reduce the spread to others. Your Hitler analogy is simple desparation. I agree the hitler reference is wrong but mindlessly following silly rules was the point. W.H.O. on masks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4ol...ature=emb_logo How many people are actually following THESE rules? |
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 07:20:54 -0400, John wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:30:02 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couple months but they limit the number of people in there, they stopped giving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are not bunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonable distance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem is prolonged contact, not just walking past someone. When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. They are people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party, probably passing a joint around among other things. Greg, don't wear a mask. If I see you in a store or other place of business, I'll think you don't give a **** about others. Me and the other 30 or 40%, including the employees who are improperly wearing their masks or not wearing one at all. |
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 08:14:42 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart
wrote: John Wrote in message: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:30:02 -0400, wrote:On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote:On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote:On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote:On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote:On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the viruswith a cloth or non-N-95 mask.That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade orof the non-surgical type."coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus willland there.Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feetaway from the person coughing. Test wearing a maskand without a mask. Let us know the results.Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right?That is what the 6 feet is all about.If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'llsee what I mean.You're starting to sound very silly. Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couplemonths but they limit the number of people in there, they stoppedgiving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are notbunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonabledistance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem isprolonged contact, not just walking past someone. When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. Theyare people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party,probably passing a joint around among other things.Greg, don't wear a mask. If I see you in a store or other place of business,I'll think you don't give a **** about others.--Freedom Isn't Free! And you'll know to give him a wide berth as if he's a leper or is a petri dish of unthinkable diseases. Perfect, now we understand each other. |
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 14:18:47 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2020 07:18:11 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:31:32 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:52:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/28/2020 3:20 PM, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. We all are actually. Here's the solution: Wear a mask or don't wear a mask. If you live in an area where a mask is mandatory and you decide not to ... pay the $300 fine. If you don't want to pay the fine ... pay a lawyer at least $1,000 to take it to court to prove .... you're a nut. Yeah just wear this star on your arm too while you are at it. What do you have to lose? Bull****. The wearing of a mask shows concern and may help reduce the spread to others. Your Hitler analogy is simple desparation. I agree the hitler reference is wrong but mindlessly following silly rules was the point. W.H.O. on masks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4ol...ature=emb_logo How many people are actually following THESE rules? "Sick people should wear masks...". Now, what about those who are sick but asymptomatic? You need to find something better than that. **** the W.H.O.! Following the mask guidelines is not 'mindless'. Not doing so falls in that category, but I didn't want to be name-calling in my earlier post. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 14:20:27 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2020 07:20:54 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:30:02 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couple months but they limit the number of people in there, they stopped giving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are not bunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonable distance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem is prolonged contact, not just walking past someone. When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. They are people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party, probably passing a joint around among other things. Greg, don't wear a mask. If I see you in a store or other place of business, I'll think you don't give a **** about others. Me and the other 30 or 40%, including the employees who are improperly wearing their masks or not wearing one at all. Went to Costco and Safeway today. Both had many customers and employees in the store. I saw not one person without a mask. Not one. I suppose we were all 'mindlessly following silly rules'. Bull****. You're either bull****ting the troops or you've got a bunch of uncaring assholes running around down there. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 16:26:15 -0400, John wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2020 14:20:27 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 07:20:54 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:30:02 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couple months but they limit the number of people in there, they stopped giving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are not bunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonable distance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem is prolonged contact, not just walking past someone. When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. They are people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party, probably passing a joint around among other things. Greg, don't wear a mask. If I see you in a store or other place of business, I'll think you don't give a **** about others. Me and the other 30 or 40%, including the employees who are improperly wearing their masks or not wearing one at all. Went to Costco and Safeway today. Both had many customers and employees in the store. I saw not one person without a mask. Not one. I suppose we were all 'mindlessly following silly rules'. Bull****. You're either bull****ting the troops or you've got a bunch of uncaring assholes running around down there. -- === The Costco closest to us will not let you in the store without a mask and a Costco ID card. I suspect that they'd pull your card in a heartbeat if you gave them any grief about it. Other stores are kind of a mixed bag. Doctor's offices and other healthcare facilities are being extremely strict however: Temperature checks, questionaires, waiting in your car, etc. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 5/29/2020 4:26 PM, John wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2020 14:20:27 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 07:20:54 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:30:02 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couple months but they limit the number of people in there, they stopped giving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are not bunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonable distance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem is prolonged contact, not just walking past someone. When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. They are people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party, probably passing a joint around among other things. Greg, don't wear a mask. If I see you in a store or other place of business, I'll think you don't give a **** about others. Me and the other 30 or 40%, including the employees who are improperly wearing their masks or not wearing one at all. Went to Costco and Safeway today. Both had many customers and employees in the store. I saw not one person without a mask. Not one. I suppose we were all 'mindlessly following silly rules'. Bull****. You're either bull****ting the troops or you've got a bunch of uncaring assholes running around down there. The President and CEO of Costco (Craig Jelinek) *mandated* that all Costco employees and members (customers) must wear a mask in the store. Only exceptions are children under 2 years old. This mandate was issued back on May 4th. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 17:22:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 5/29/2020 4:26 PM, John wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 14:20:27 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 07:20:54 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:30:02 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couple months but they limit the number of people in there, they stopped giving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are not bunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonable distance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem is prolonged contact, not just walking past someone. When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. They are people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party, probably passing a joint around among other things. Greg, don't wear a mask. If I see you in a store or other place of business, I'll think you don't give a **** about others. Me and the other 30 or 40%, including the employees who are improperly wearing their masks or not wearing one at all. Went to Costco and Safeway today. Both had many customers and employees in the store. I saw not one person without a mask. Not one. I suppose we were all 'mindlessly following silly rules'. Bull****. You're either bull****ting the troops or you've got a bunch of uncaring assholes running around down there. The President and CEO of Costco (Craig Jelinek) *mandated* that all Costco employees and members (customers) must wear a mask in the store. Only exceptions are children under 2 years old. This mandate was issued back on May 4th. It's working. Also at our local Safeway. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 20:26:33 -0400, John wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2020 17:22:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/29/2020 4:26 PM, John wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 14:20:27 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 07:20:54 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:30:02 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couple months but they limit the number of people in there, they stopped giving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are not bunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonable distance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem is prolonged contact, not just walking past someone. When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. They are people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party, probably passing a joint around among other things. Greg, don't wear a mask. If I see you in a store or other place of business, I'll think you don't give a **** about others. Me and the other 30 or 40%, including the employees who are improperly wearing their masks or not wearing one at all. Went to Costco and Safeway today. Both had many customers and employees in the store. I saw not one person without a mask. Not one. I suppose we were all 'mindlessly following silly rules'. Bull****. You're either bull****ting the troops or you've got a bunch of uncaring assholes running around down there. The President and CEO of Costco (Craig Jelinek) *mandated* that all Costco employees and members (customers) must wear a mask in the store. Only exceptions are children under 2 years old. This mandate was issued back on May 4th. It's working. Also at our local Safeway. Costco is the only place I ever go that requires a mask (HQ in the first virus hot spot state, WA, may have something to do with it) and Publix is even loosening up on the employees. No Safeway here. I think that they are starting to question how effective a mask that gets worn all day, removed when they take a break and put back on, really can be. Don't ask me, ask your doctor, what is the protocol on masks in his office? Do they reuse masks between patients? How long will they wear one mask? How do they dispose of the old ones? Get back to me. If your doctor says they used a T shirt scrap wrapped around their face that they reuse all day long, run, don't walk out of there. |
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On Sat, 30 May 2020 02:35:50 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2020 20:26:33 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 17:22:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/29/2020 4:26 PM, John wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 14:20:27 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 07:20:54 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:30:02 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couple months but they limit the number of people in there, they stopped giving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are not bunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonable distance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem is prolonged contact, not just walking past someone. When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. They are people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party, probably passing a joint around among other things. Greg, don't wear a mask. If I see you in a store or other place of business, I'll think you don't give a **** about others. Me and the other 30 or 40%, including the employees who are improperly wearing their masks or not wearing one at all. Went to Costco and Safeway today. Both had many customers and employees in the store. I saw not one person without a mask. Not one. I suppose we were all 'mindlessly following silly rules'. Bull****. You're either bull****ting the troops or you've got a bunch of uncaring assholes running around down there. The President and CEO of Costco (Craig Jelinek) *mandated* that all Costco employees and members (customers) must wear a mask in the store. Only exceptions are children under 2 years old. This mandate was issued back on May 4th. It's working. Also at our local Safeway. Costco is the only place I ever go that requires a mask (HQ in the first virus hot spot state, WA, may have something to do with it) and Publix is even loosening up on the employees. No Safeway here. I think that they are starting to question how effective a mask that gets worn all day, removed when they take a break and put back on, really can be. Don't ask me, ask your doctor, what is the protocol on masks in his office? Do they reuse masks between patients? How long will they wear one mask? How do they dispose of the old ones? Get back to me. If your doctor says they used a T shirt scrap wrapped around their face that they reuse all day long, run, don't walk out of there. I've been to my doctor once since this started. Everyone, including me, wore a mask. I didn't question them on their protocol. I figure they know more than me...or you, for that matter. Like I say, you're sounding very silly. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 8:28:38 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Sat, 30 May 2020 02:35:50 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 20:26:33 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 17:22:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/29/2020 4:26 PM, John wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 14:20:27 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 07:20:54 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:30:02 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couple months but they limit the number of people in there, they stopped giving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are not bunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonable distance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem is prolonged contact, not just walking past someone. When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. They are people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party, probably passing a joint around among other things. Greg, don't wear a mask. If I see you in a store or other place of business, I'll think you don't give a **** about others. Me and the other 30 or 40%, including the employees who are improperly wearing their masks or not wearing one at all. Went to Costco and Safeway today. Both had many customers and employees in the store. I saw not one person without a mask. Not one. I suppose we were all 'mindlessly following silly rules'. Bull****. You're either bull****ting the troops or you've got a bunch of uncaring assholes running around down there. The President and CEO of Costco (Craig Jelinek) *mandated* that all Costco employees and members (customers) must wear a mask in the store. Only exceptions are children under 2 years old. This mandate was issued back on May 4th. It's working. Also at our local Safeway. Costco is the only place I ever go that requires a mask (HQ in the first virus hot spot state, WA, may have something to do with it) and Publix is even loosening up on the employees. No Safeway here. I think that they are starting to question how effective a mask that gets worn all day, removed when they take a break and put back on, really can be. Don't ask me, ask your doctor, what is the protocol on masks in his office? Do they reuse masks between patients? How long will they wear one mask? How do they dispose of the old ones? Get back to me. If your doctor says they used a T shirt scrap wrapped around their face that they reuse all day long, run, don't walk out of there. I've been to my doctor once since this started. Everyone, including me, wore a mask. I didn't question them on their protocol. I figure they know more than me...or you, for that matter. Like I say, you're sounding very silly. -- Freedom Isn't Free! Doctors and nurses wear masks for a different reason that someone would while in Costco. |
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On Sat, 30 May 2020 06:30:53 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote: On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 8:28:38 AM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Sat, 30 May 2020 02:35:50 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 20:26:33 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 17:22:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/29/2020 4:26 PM, John wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 14:20:27 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 07:20:54 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:30:02 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couple months but they limit the number of people in there, they stopped giving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are not bunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonable distance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem is prolonged contact, not just walking past someone. When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. They are people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party, probably passing a joint around among other things. Greg, don't wear a mask. If I see you in a store or other place of business, I'll think you don't give a **** about others. Me and the other 30 or 40%, including the employees who are improperly wearing their masks or not wearing one at all. Went to Costco and Safeway today. Both had many customers and employees in the store. I saw not one person without a mask. Not one. I suppose we were all 'mindlessly following silly rules'. Bull****. You're either bull****ting the troops or you've got a bunch of uncaring assholes running around down there. The President and CEO of Costco (Craig Jelinek) *mandated* that all Costco employees and members (customers) must wear a mask in the store. Only exceptions are children under 2 years old. This mandate was issued back on May 4th. It's working. Also at our local Safeway. Costco is the only place I ever go that requires a mask (HQ in the first virus hot spot state, WA, may have something to do with it) and Publix is even loosening up on the employees. No Safeway here. I think that they are starting to question how effective a mask that gets worn all day, removed when they take a break and put back on, really can be. Don't ask me, ask your doctor, what is the protocol on masks in his office? Do they reuse masks between patients? How long will they wear one mask? How do they dispose of the old ones? Get back to me. If your doctor says they used a T shirt scrap wrapped around their face that they reuse all day long, run, don't walk out of there. I've been to my doctor once since this started. Everyone, including me, wore a mask. I didn't question them on their protocol. I figure they know more than me...or you, for that matter. Like I say, you're sounding very silly. -- Freedom Isn't Free! Doctors and nurses wear masks for a different reason that someone would while in Costco. === That's true but either way I feel safer. In the case of Costco they have made it store policy so that both employees and customers feel safer. That's not a bad thing in my opinion. I really don't understand this rebel without a cause attitude that some seem to have. It's unfortunate that the issue has become politicized. Greg is right that procedures are less than optimal and would not pass muster in an operating room, but anything is better than nothing in my opinion. Raising awareness is good also. If people don't like store policy they can always shop elsewhere. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 5/27/2020 10:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Don't pick up anything that has been coughed or sneezed on. But if you do, for gods sake, don't pick your nose before you wash your hands. -- Pity Fat Harry. His ability to produce rational thought on his own, no longer exists, if it ever did at all. |
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On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 12:10:01 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 30 May 2020 06:30:53 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 8:28:38 AM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Sat, 30 May 2020 02:35:50 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 20:26:33 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 17:22:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/29/2020 4:26 PM, John wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 14:20:27 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 07:20:54 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:30:02 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couple months but they limit the number of people in there, they stopped giving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are not bunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonable distance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem is prolonged contact, not just walking past someone. When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. They are people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party, probably passing a joint around among other things. Greg, don't wear a mask. If I see you in a store or other place of business, I'll think you don't give a **** about others. Me and the other 30 or 40%, including the employees who are improperly wearing their masks or not wearing one at all. Went to Costco and Safeway today. Both had many customers and employees in the store. I saw not one person without a mask. Not one. I suppose we were all 'mindlessly following silly rules'. Bull****. You're either bull****ting the troops or you've got a bunch of uncaring assholes running around down there. The President and CEO of Costco (Craig Jelinek) *mandated* that all Costco employees and members (customers) must wear a mask in the store. Only exceptions are children under 2 years old. This mandate was issued back on May 4th. It's working. Also at our local Safeway. Costco is the only place I ever go that requires a mask (HQ in the first virus hot spot state, WA, may have something to do with it) and Publix is even loosening up on the employees. No Safeway here. I think that they are starting to question how effective a mask that gets worn all day, removed when they take a break and put back on, really can be. Don't ask me, ask your doctor, what is the protocol on masks in his office? Do they reuse masks between patients? How long will they wear one mask? How do they dispose of the old ones? Get back to me. If your doctor says they used a T shirt scrap wrapped around their face that they reuse all day long, run, don't walk out of there. I've been to my doctor once since this started. Everyone, including me, wore a mask. I didn't question them on their protocol. I figure they know more than me...or you, for that matter. Like I say, you're sounding very silly. -- Freedom Isn't Free! Doctors and nurses wear masks for a different reason that someone would while in Costco. === That's true but either way I feel safer. In the case of Costco they have made it store policy so that both employees and customers feel safer. That's not a bad thing in my opinion. I really don't understand this rebel without a cause attitude that some seem to have. It's unfortunate that the issue has become politicized. Greg is right that procedures are less than optimal and would not pass muster in an operating room, but anything is better than nothing in my opinion. Raising awareness is good also. If people don't like store policy they can always shop elsewhere. Understand that I'm not advocating to not wear a mask. In fact, my wife and I wear one when we're in the grocery store or someplace it makes sense. I was just pointing out why the procedures and protocol is different. As far as people in this area, my wife went to Publix Friday morning, and she commented that practically everyone was wearing a mask. I went to Sportman's Warehouse last week, and few were wearing them. Same for Lowes. It seems to be a macho thing to not wear one. Makes no sense to me. |
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On Sat, 30 May 2020 08:28:36 -0400, John wrote:
On Sat, 30 May 2020 02:35:50 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 20:26:33 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 17:22:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/29/2020 4:26 PM, John wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 14:20:27 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 07:20:54 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:30:02 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couple months but they limit the number of people in there, they stopped giving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are not bunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonable distance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem is prolonged contact, not just walking past someone. When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. They are people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party, probably passing a joint around among other things. Greg, don't wear a mask. If I see you in a store or other place of business, I'll think you don't give a **** about others. Me and the other 30 or 40%, including the employees who are improperly wearing their masks or not wearing one at all. Went to Costco and Safeway today. Both had many customers and employees in the store. I saw not one person without a mask. Not one. I suppose we were all 'mindlessly following silly rules'. Bull****. You're either bull****ting the troops or you've got a bunch of uncaring assholes running around down there. The President and CEO of Costco (Craig Jelinek) *mandated* that all Costco employees and members (customers) must wear a mask in the store. Only exceptions are children under 2 years old. This mandate was issued back on May 4th. It's working. Also at our local Safeway. Costco is the only place I ever go that requires a mask (HQ in the first virus hot spot state, WA, may have something to do with it) and Publix is even loosening up on the employees. No Safeway here. I think that they are starting to question how effective a mask that gets worn all day, removed when they take a break and put back on, really can be. Don't ask me, ask your doctor, what is the protocol on masks in his office? Do they reuse masks between patients? How long will they wear one mask? How do they dispose of the old ones? Get back to me. If your doctor says they used a T shirt scrap wrapped around their face that they reuse all day long, run, don't walk out of there. I've been to my doctor once since this started. Everyone, including me, wore a mask. I didn't question them on their protocol. I figure they know more than me...or you, for that matter. Like I say, you're sounding very silly. Not if they explain what they do and you compare it to what you do. Then compare both to what that 18 year old is doing at Safeway. |
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On Sat, 30 May 2020 06:30:53 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote: On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 8:28:38 AM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Sat, 30 May 2020 02:35:50 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 20:26:33 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 17:22:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/29/2020 4:26 PM, John wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 14:20:27 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2020 07:20:54 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:30:02 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 15:20:59 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:48:38 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 07:22:32 -0400, John wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 22:16:28 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 17:25:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/27/2020 4:41 PM, wrote: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 Good grief Greg. You are *still* hung up on *blocking* the virus with a cloth or non-N-95 mask. That is *not* the purpose of wearing a mask ... homemade or of the non-surgical type. "coughing into a petri dish"? Of course the virus will land there. Have the person holding the petri dish stand 6-10 feet away from the person coughing. Test wearing a mask and without a mask. Let us know the results. Just don't stand next to people who are coughing. Or talking, or singing, or breathing. Right? That is what the 6 feet is all about. If you can. That's not always possible. Go visit your local Costco and you'll see what I mean. You're starting to sound very silly. Why not? I have really only been in Costco once in the last couple months but they limit the number of people in there, they stopped giving out free food and they cleared out the aisles so you are not bunched up. Walmart is the same way. It is easy to keep a reasonable distance. If you read the current guess, they also say the problem is prolonged contact, not just walking past someone. When you look at the recent outbreaks, that seems to be true too. They are people who were sitting in pews together or at a big party, probably passing a joint around among other things. Greg, don't wear a mask. If I see you in a store or other place of business, I'll think you don't give a **** about others. Me and the other 30 or 40%, including the employees who are improperly wearing their masks or not wearing one at all. Went to Costco and Safeway today. Both had many customers and employees in the store. I saw not one person without a mask. Not one. I suppose we were all 'mindlessly following silly rules'. Bull****. You're either bull****ting the troops or you've got a bunch of uncaring assholes running around down there. The President and CEO of Costco (Craig Jelinek) *mandated* that all Costco employees and members (customers) must wear a mask in the store. Only exceptions are children under 2 years old. This mandate was issued back on May 4th. It's working. Also at our local Safeway. Costco is the only place I ever go that requires a mask (HQ in the first virus hot spot state, WA, may have something to do with it) and Publix is even loosening up on the employees. No Safeway here. I think that they are starting to question how effective a mask that gets worn all day, removed when they take a break and put back on, really can be. Don't ask me, ask your doctor, what is the protocol on masks in his office? Do they reuse masks between patients? How long will they wear one mask? How do they dispose of the old ones? Get back to me. If your doctor says they used a T shirt scrap wrapped around their face that they reuse all day long, run, don't walk out of there. I've been to my doctor once since this started. Everyone, including me, wore a mask. I didn't question them on their protocol. I figure they know more than me...or you, for that matter. Like I say, you're sounding very silly. -- Freedom Isn't Free! Doctors and nurses wear masks for a different reason that someone would while in Costco. Actually I agree. The medical people are trying to prevent disease, hence the protocols, the people at Costco are being politically correct and perhaps Costco is trying to avoid some litigation. |
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