Testing fallacy
 

Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.


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On 4/17/20 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.


Everyone will need to be tested frequently, as I previously stated. But
that won't happen the way Trump is ****ing over the possibility of a
national response.

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Testing fallacy
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/17/20 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.


Everyone will need to be tested frequently, as I previously stated. But
that won't happen the way Trump is ****ing over the possibility of a
national response.


How many can you test a day? 380 million? The approximate population of
the country. 10 minutes a test, minimum. 380x10xx6 times 10 v 380x10xx7.
Divide by 6 to get the hours. Divide by 24 to get the man days required.
Which is about 33,000 man days required. Every day. Then we have a
logistics problem. We better hope than immunity comes with having survived
the infection. Now, how is President Biden going to accomplish his
testing? How would YOU accomplish the testing? Maybe you need to take the
bus in to DC and have lunch with the President and tell him how to do the
job.

Testing fallacy
 

On 4/17/20 8:34 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/17/20 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.


Everyone will need to be tested frequently, as I previously stated. But
that won't happen the way Trump is ****ing over the possibility of a
national response.


How many can you test a day? 380 million? The approximate population of
the country. 10 minutes a test, minimum. 380x10xx6 times 10 v 380x10xx7.
Divide by 6 to get the hours. Divide by 24 to get the man days required.
Which is about 33,000 man days required. Every day. Then we have a
logistics problem. We better hope than immunity comes with having survived
the infection. Now, how is President Biden going to accomplish his
testing? How would YOU accomplish the testing? Maybe you need to take the
bus in to DC and have lunch with the President and tell him how to do the
job.


We're way way behind on testing, Bilious. No one is suggesting that
everyone be tested every day.

--
MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes

Testing fallacy
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/17/20 8:34 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/17/20 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.


Everyone will need to be tested frequently, as I previously stated. But
that won't happen the way Trump is ****ing over the possibility of a
national response.


How many can you test a day? 380 million? The approximate population of
the country. 10 minutes a test, minimum. 380x10xx6 times 10 v 380x10xx7.
Divide by 6 to get the hours. Divide by 24 to get the man days required.
Which is about 33,000 man days required. Every day. Then we have a
logistics problem. We better hope than immunity comes with having survived
the infection. Now, how is President Biden going to accomplish his
testing? How would YOU accomplish the testing? Maybe you need to take the
bus in to DC and have lunch with the President and tell him how to do the
job.


We're way way behind on testing, Bilious. No one is suggesting that
everyone be tested every day.


How frequently are you suggesting? Every other day? Then you only need
16.5 thousand man days. Once a week? Who is making 380,000,000 tests a
week?

Testing fallacy
 

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:08:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

I have been saying that all along.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.

If our experience with the other Covids holds true, this will mutate
and we won't be totally immune but the antibodies we have will make
fighting it off easier.

Testing fallacy
 

wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:08:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

I have been saying that all along.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.

If our experience with the other Covids holds true, this will mutate
and we won't be totally immune but the antibodies we have will make
fighting it off easier.


It may become another flu.

Testing fallacy
 

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:46:41 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/17/20 8:34 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/17/20 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.


Everyone will need to be tested frequently, as I previously stated. But
that won't happen the way Trump is ****ing over the possibility of a
national response.


How many can you test a day? 380 million? The approximate population of
the country. 10 minutes a test, minimum. 380x10xx6 times 10 v 380x10xx7.
Divide by 6 to get the hours. Divide by 24 to get the man days required.
Which is about 33,000 man days required. Every day. Then we have a
logistics problem. We better hope than immunity comes with having survived
the infection. Now, how is President Biden going to accomplish his
testing? How would YOU accomplish the testing? Maybe you need to take the
bus in to DC and have lunch with the President and tell him how to do the
job.


We're way way behind on testing, Bilious. No one is suggesting that
everyone be tested every day.

If you are only looking at active cases, Fauci did.
Ref Richard's note
He admits, otherwise it is useless to determine if it is safe for you
to be around other people.

Testing fallacy
 

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 04:19:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:08:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

I have been saying that all along.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.

If our experience with the other Covids holds true, this will mutate
and we won't be totally immune but the antibodies we have will make
fighting it off easier.


It may become another flu.

Or just another nagging seasonal cold.

Testing fallacy
 

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:08:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.

The Democrats expect Trump to give 330,000,000 tests every day, and in some case
multiple times during the day.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

Testing fallacy
 

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:18:57 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/17/20 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.


Everyone will need to be tested frequently, as I previously stated. But
that won't happen the way Trump is ****ing over the possibility of a
national response.

See? 330,000,000 tests 'frequently'.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

Testing fallacy
 

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 01:55:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/17/20 8:34 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/17/20 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.


Everyone will need to be tested frequently, as I previously stated. But
that won't happen the way Trump is ****ing over the possibility of a
national response.


How many can you test a day? 380 million? The approximate population of
the country. 10 minutes a test, minimum. 380x10xx6 times 10 v 380x10xx7.
Divide by 6 to get the hours. Divide by 24 to get the man days required.
Which is about 33,000 man days required. Every day. Then we have a
logistics problem. We better hope than immunity comes with having survived
the infection. Now, how is President Biden going to accomplish his
testing? How would YOU accomplish the testing? Maybe you need to take the
bus in to DC and have lunch with the President and tell him how to do the
job.


We're way way behind on testing, Bilious. No one is suggesting that
everyone be tested every day.


How frequently are you suggesting? Every other day? Then you only need
16.5 thousand man days. Once a week? Who is making 380,000,000 tests a
week?

The math is too far above his head. Keep asking that question. His answer should
be interesting.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

Testing fallacy
 

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 01:24:27 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 04:19:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:08:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

I have been saying that all along.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.

If our experience with the other Covids holds true, this will mutate
and we won't be totally immune but the antibodies we have will make
fighting it off easier.


It may become another flu.

Or just another nagging seasonal cold.

Except for us old guys.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

Testing fallacy
 

On 4/18/2020 8:00 AM, John wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:18:57 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/17/20 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.



Everyone will need to be tested frequently, as I previously stated. But
that won't happen the way Trump is ****ing over the possibility of a
national response.


See? 330,000,000 tests 'frequently'.

He's just repeating the same, stupid, illogical talking points
of his party, lead by Pelosi as she shows off her sub-zero
freezer stocked with $12-$14 a pint ice cream while 25 million
mere mortals worry about how to feed their families.

That woman is so out of touch with reality it's scary.
I can't believe she agreed to make that video.







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https://www.avg.com

Testing fallacy
 

On 4/18/2020 8:03 AM, John wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 01:24:27 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 04:19:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:08:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

I have been saying that all along.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.

If our experience with the other Covids holds true, this will mutate
and we won't be totally immune but the antibodies we have will make
fighting it off easier.




It may become another flu.

Or just another nagging seasonal cold.

Except for us old guys.

I know many of you enjoy taking cruises but I've scratched any
thought of that off my list permanently.

When Mrs.E. and I celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary in
February we gave some thought to taking a cruise in a nice,
warm climate. I checked into the availability of two or
three in January and we gave it some serious consideration
since we've never done a cruise before (other than complements
of Uncle Sam in the Navy) This was just before the seriousness
of the covid-19 thing was known.

Reflecting back now ... We are very thankful we opted *not*
to do it. We ended up just having a celebration party
organized by our kids and attended by about 75 people.
That was on Feb 15th. Fortunately, it appears nobody
in attendance had already been infected.

If we had waited a few more weeks to schedule the party,
I doubt it would have happened.




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https://www.avg.com

Testing fallacy
 

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:18:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/18/2020 8:03 AM, John wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 01:24:27 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 04:19:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:08:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

I have been saying that all along.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.

If our experience with the other Covids holds true, this will mutate
and we won't be totally immune but the antibodies we have will make
fighting it off easier.




It may become another flu.

Or just another nagging seasonal cold.

Except for us old guys.

I know many of you enjoy taking cruises but I've scratched any
thought of that off my list permanently.

When Mrs.E. and I celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary in
February we gave some thought to taking a cruise in a nice,
warm climate. I checked into the availability of two or
three in January and we gave it some serious consideration
since we've never done a cruise before (other than complements
of Uncle Sam in the Navy) This was just before the seriousness
of the covid-19 thing was known.

Reflecting back now ... We are very thankful we opted *not*
to do it. We ended up just having a celebration party
organized by our kids and attended by about 75 people.
That was on Feb 15th. Fortunately, it appears nobody
in attendance had already been infected.

If we had waited a few more weeks to schedule the party,
I doubt it would have happened.

We've been on several and enjoyed them tremendously. But, until there are some
big breakthroughs in this Covid-19 thing, we won't be taking one any time soon.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

Testing fallacy
 

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:03:01 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 01:24:27 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 04:19:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:08:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

I have been saying that all along.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.

If our experience with the other Covids holds true, this will mutate
and we won't be totally immune but the antibodies we have will make
fighting it off easier.


It may become another flu.

Or just another nagging seasonal cold.

Except for us old guys.

The answer for us is still getting the antibodies, either by surviving
the disease or with a vaccine. Anything else is simply waiting until
you get it. The question is not if but when.

Testing fallacy
 

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:18:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/18/2020 8:03 AM, John wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 01:24:27 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 04:19:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:08:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

I have been saying that all along.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.

If our experience with the other Covids holds true, this will mutate
and we won't be totally immune but the antibodies we have will make
fighting it off easier.




It may become another flu.

Or just another nagging seasonal cold.

Except for us old guys.

I know many of you enjoy taking cruises but I've scratched any
thought of that off my list permanently.

When Mrs.E. and I celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary in
February we gave some thought to taking a cruise in a nice,
warm climate. I checked into the availability of two or
three in January and we gave it some serious consideration
since we've never done a cruise before (other than complements
of Uncle Sam in the Navy) This was just before the seriousness
of the covid-19 thing was known.

Reflecting back now ... We are very thankful we opted *not*
to do it. We ended up just having a celebration party
organized by our kids and attended by about 75 people.
That was on Feb 15th. Fortunately, it appears nobody
in attendance had already been infected.

If we had waited a few more weeks to schedule the party,
I doubt it would have happened.

My IBM and golf buddy in Bradenton was on one of those nightmare
cruises around South America and he ended up being trapped on the ship
for 3 weeks until they finally went to Miami. It actually worked out
OK because that was where his car was anyway. They were supposed to
fly back from Chile but Chile would not let them land. The cruise line
shuttled them to the airport for flights home and that was where his
car was. He did get an unscheduled trip through the Panama Canal and
he had a nice suite so being on the ship an extra 3 weeks wasn't
horrible.

Testing fallacy
 

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:24:23 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:18:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/18/2020 8:03 AM, John wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 01:24:27 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 04:19:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:08:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

I have been saying that all along.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.

If our experience with the other Covids holds true, this will mutate
and we won't be totally immune but the antibodies we have will make
fighting it off easier.




It may become another flu.

Or just another nagging seasonal cold.

Except for us old guys.

I know many of you enjoy taking cruises but I've scratched any
thought of that off my list permanently.

When Mrs.E. and I celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary in
February we gave some thought to taking a cruise in a nice,
warm climate. I checked into the availability of two or
three in January and we gave it some serious consideration
since we've never done a cruise before (other than complements
of Uncle Sam in the Navy) This was just before the seriousness
of the covid-19 thing was known.

Reflecting back now ... We are very thankful we opted *not*
to do it. We ended up just having a celebration party
organized by our kids and attended by about 75 people.
That was on Feb 15th. Fortunately, it appears nobody
in attendance had already been infected.

If we had waited a few more weeks to schedule the party,
I doubt it would have happened.

We've been on several and enjoyed them tremendously. But, until there are some
big breakthroughs in this Covid-19 thing, we won't be taking one any time soon.

The Norwalk thing already had me staying off of cruises but this
cinched it for me. The way things are going, we may be done with big
vacations altogether. My wife still wants that northern lights thing
tho. It looks like that might be a 2022 trip the way this is turning
out and that is too far away to even think about seriously.

Testing fallacy
 

On 4/18/20 9:23 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:18:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/18/2020 8:03 AM, John wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 01:24:27 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 04:19:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:08:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

I have been saying that all along.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.

If our experience with the other Covids holds true, this will mutate
and we won't be totally immune but the antibodies we have will make
fighting it off easier.




It may become another flu.

Or just another nagging seasonal cold.

Except for us old guys.

I know many of you enjoy taking cruises but I've scratched any
thought of that off my list permanently.

When Mrs.E. and I celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary in
February we gave some thought to taking a cruise in a nice,
warm climate. I checked into the availability of two or
three in January and we gave it some serious consideration
since we've never done a cruise before (other than complements
of Uncle Sam in the Navy) This was just before the seriousness
of the covid-19 thing was known.

Reflecting back now ... We are very thankful we opted *not*
to do it. We ended up just having a celebration party
organized by our kids and attended by about 75 people.
That was on Feb 15th. Fortunately, it appears nobody
in attendance had already been infected.

If we had waited a few more weeks to schedule the party,
I doubt it would have happened.

My IBM and golf buddy in Bradenton was on one of those nightmare
cruises around South America and he ended up being trapped on the ship
for 3 weeks until they finally went to Miami. It actually worked out
OK because that was where his car was anyway. They were supposed to
fly back from Chile but Chile would not let them land. The cruise line
shuttled them to the airport for flights home and that was where his
car was. He did get an unscheduled trip through the Panama Canal and
he had a nice suite so being on the ship an extra 3 weeks wasn't
horrible.


Ahh...another advantage of being on a cruise ship...a free extension
because of a breakout of a virus on board. Add that to food poisoning,
falling overboard, hitting reefs and sinking, crashing into other ships,
and it is easy to see why the cruise life is so popular. :)

--
MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes

Testing fallacy
 

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:16:48 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:03:01 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 01:24:27 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 04:19:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:08:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

I have been saying that all along.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.

If our experience with the other Covids holds true, this will mutate
and we won't be totally immune but the antibodies we have will make
fighting it off easier.


It may become another flu.

Or just another nagging seasonal cold.

Except for us old guys.

The answer for us is still getting the antibodies, either by surviving
the disease or with a vaccine. Anything else is simply waiting until
you get it. The question is not if but when.

My thoughts exactly.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

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John Wrote in message:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 01:55:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/17/20 8:34 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/17/20 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing" due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody" gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work. Problem is that those who test negative today could go out and become infected tomorrow. In order to confirm that people going back to work are free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested every day. Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming infected again. He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to be the case with covid-19. Everyone will need to be tested frequently, as I previously stated. But that won't happen the way Trump is ****ing over the possibility of a national response. How many can you test a day? 380 million? The approximate population of the country. 10 minutes a test, minimum. 380x10xx6 times 10 v 380x10xx7. Divide by 6 to get the hours. Divide by 24 to get the man days required. Which is about 33,000 man days required. Every day. Then we have a logistics problem. We better hope than immunity comes with having survived the infection. Now, how is President Biden going to accomplish his testing? How would YOU accomplish the testing? Maybe you need to take the bus in to DC and have lunch with the President and tell him how to do the job. We're way way behind on testing, Bilious. No one is suggesting that everyone be tested every day. How frequently are you suggesting? Every other day? Then you only need16.5 thousand man days. Once a week? Who is making 380,000,000 tests aweek?The math is too far above his head. Keep asking that question. His answer shouldbe interesting.--Freedom Isn't Free!

Fat Harry and Joe Biden are on the same wavelength. They both have
significant cognition deficiencies.
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On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:27:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/18/20 9:23 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:18:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/18/2020 8:03 AM, John wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 01:24:27 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 04:19:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:08:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

I have been saying that all along.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.

If our experience with the other Covids holds true, this will mutate
and we won't be totally immune but the antibodies we have will make
fighting it off easier.




It may become another flu.

Or just another nagging seasonal cold.

Except for us old guys.

I know many of you enjoy taking cruises but I've scratched any
thought of that off my list permanently.

When Mrs.E. and I celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary in
February we gave some thought to taking a cruise in a nice,
warm climate. I checked into the availability of two or
three in January and we gave it some serious consideration
since we've never done a cruise before (other than complements
of Uncle Sam in the Navy) This was just before the seriousness
of the covid-19 thing was known.

Reflecting back now ... We are very thankful we opted *not*
to do it. We ended up just having a celebration party
organized by our kids and attended by about 75 people.
That was on Feb 15th. Fortunately, it appears nobody
in attendance had already been infected.

If we had waited a few more weeks to schedule the party,
I doubt it would have happened.

My IBM and golf buddy in Bradenton was on one of those nightmare
cruises around South America and he ended up being trapped on the ship
for 3 weeks until they finally went to Miami. It actually worked out
OK because that was where his car was anyway. They were supposed to
fly back from Chile but Chile would not let them land. The cruise line
shuttled them to the airport for flights home and that was where his
car was. He did get an unscheduled trip through the Panama Canal and
he had a nice suite so being on the ship an extra 3 weeks wasn't
horrible.


Ahh...another advantage of being on a cruise ship...a free extension
because of a breakout of a virus on board. Add that to food poisoning,
falling overboard, hitting reefs and sinking, crashing into other ships,
and it is easy to see why the cruise life is so popular. :)

Look at the bright side, at least they don't plunge down from 33,000
feet in a fiery crash that kills everyone on board.

Testing fallacy
 

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:16:48 -0400, wrote:

The answer for us is still getting the antibodies, either by surviving
the disease or with a vaccine. Anything else is simply waiting until
you get it. The question is not if but when.

===

Exactly right. We were supposed to fly to Italy next month and take a
cruise to the Greek islands. We were looking forward to it but
needless to say that's off the table, perhaps forever. I'm glad we
got in our windjammer cruise and transatlantic Greenland cruise when
we did.

Regarding the Northern Lights, be aware that it is quite rare to see
the full "shimmering curtain" effect. Much more often they present as
just a greenish glow in the northern sky. The spectacular pictures
that you see are usually a result of someone spending half a winter
above the arctic circle and experimenting with time exposures.

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https://www.avg.com

Testing fallacy
 

John wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:18:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/18/2020 8:03 AM, John wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 01:24:27 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 04:19:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:08:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Doc Fauci addressed an important issue regarding "testing"
due to the growing concerns and even demands that "everybody"
gets tested for covid-19 before they go back to work.

Problem is that those who test negative
today could go out and become infected tomorrow.

In order to confirm that people going back to work are
free of infection .... they'd have to literally be tested
every day.

I have been saying that all along.

Another thing that he addressed is that many believe that once
infected and recovered, a person is "immune" to becoming
infected again.

He said that's a reasonable assumption based on the history
of other viral diseases, but it has not yet been 100% proven to
be the case with covid-19.

If our experience with the other Covids holds true, this will mutate
and we won't be totally immune but the antibodies we have will make
fighting it off easier.




It may become another flu.

Or just another nagging seasonal cold.

Except for us old guys.

I know many of you enjoy taking cruises but I've scratched any
thought of that off my list permanently.

When Mrs.E. and I celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary in
February we gave some thought to taking a cruise in a nice,
warm climate. I checked into the availability of two or
three in January and we gave it some serious consideration
since we've never done a cruise before (other than complements
of Uncle Sam in the Navy) This was just before the seriousness
of the covid-19 thing was known.

Reflecting back now ... We are very thankful we opted *not*
to do it. We ended up just having a celebration party
organized by our kids and attended by about 75 people.
That was on Feb 15th. Fortunately, it appears nobody
in attendance had already been infected.

If we had waited a few more weeks to schedule the party,
I doubt it would have happened.

We've been on several and enjoyed them tremendously. But, until there are some
big breakthroughs in this Covid-19 thing, we won't be taking one any time soon.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


Wife and I have done a couple. Not our thing. We love ravel, but
cruising does not do it.

Testing fallacy
 

wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:16:48 -0400, wrote:

The answer for us is still getting the antibodies, either by surviving
the disease or with a vaccine. Anything else is simply waiting until
you get it. The question is not if but when.

===

Exactly right. We were supposed to fly to Italy next month and take a
cruise to the Greek islands. We were looking forward to it but
needless to say that's off the table, perhaps forever. I'm glad we
got in our windjammer cruise and transatlantic Greenland cruise when
we did.

Regarding the Northern Lights, be aware that it is quite rare to see
the full "shimmering curtain" effect. Much more often they present as
just a greenish glow in the northern sky. The spectacular pictures
that you see are usually a result of someone spending half a winter
above the arctic circle and experimenting with time exposures.


I would wait until the conditions are right and fly to Fairbanks. Friend
from DeKalb, IL went on a Northern lights cruise. Did not see any, but
while she was gone, had the lights over northern Illinois.

Testing fallacy
 

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 19:29:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:16:48 -0400, wrote:

The answer for us is still getting the antibodies, either by surviving
the disease or with a vaccine. Anything else is simply waiting until
you get it. The question is not if but when.

===

Exactly right. We were supposed to fly to Italy next month and take a
cruise to the Greek islands. We were looking forward to it but
needless to say that's off the table, perhaps forever. I'm glad we
got in our windjammer cruise and transatlantic Greenland cruise when
we did.

Regarding the Northern Lights, be aware that it is quite rare to see
the full "shimmering curtain" effect. Much more often they present as
just a greenish glow in the northern sky. The spectacular pictures
that you see are usually a result of someone spending half a winter
above the arctic circle and experimenting with time exposures.


I would wait until the conditions are right and fly to Fairbanks. Friend
from DeKalb, IL went on a Northern lights cruise. Did not see any, but
while she was gone, had the lights over northern Illinois.

Our kids say they see them in Northern Michigan and I suggested that
as a "two for the price of one" vacation but she wants to go to
Iceland. As I said, I doubt we are going anywhere for at least a year
because of this covid thing and that puts is in the winter of 22.

I would have been 75 ;-)

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wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 19:29:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:16:48 -0400, wrote:

The answer for us is still getting the antibodies, either by surviving
the disease or with a vaccine. Anything else is simply waiting until
you get it. The question is not if but when.

===

Exactly right. We were supposed to fly to Italy next month and take a
cruise to the Greek islands. We were looking forward to it but
needless to say that's off the table, perhaps forever. I'm glad we
got in our windjammer cruise and transatlantic Greenland cruise when
we did.

Regarding the Northern Lights, be aware that it is quite rare to see
the full "shimmering curtain" effect. Much more often they present as
just a greenish glow in the northern sky. The spectacular pictures
that you see are usually a result of someone spending half a winter
above the arctic circle and experimenting with time exposures.


I would wait until the conditions are right and fly to Fairbanks. Friend
from DeKalb, IL went on a Northern lights cruise. Did not see any, but
while she was gone, had the lights over northern Illinois.

Our kids say they see them in Northern Michigan and I suggested that
as a "two for the price of one" vacation but she wants to go to
Iceland. As I said, I doubt we are going anywhere for at least a year
because of this covid thing and that puts is in the winter of 22.

I would have been 75 ;-)


Still young. I turned 77 in March.