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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
What about the fact that this is the continuation of a 12 year old
policy?

???????

Clinton used to publicly meet planes carrying bodies from Kosovo. So how
is
forbidding any coverage of the saddest possible consequences a
continuation of
a 12-year-old policy? Is it a 12-year-old policy with 8 years off when
there
wasn't a Bush in the WH?

Clinton just wanted to be seen as compassionate to our service members in
the hope that it would get him re-elected.

If a policy is put into place and then ignored the poilicy still exists. I
believe that you need to look up the definition of policy.

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Clinton just wanted to be seen as compassionate to our service members in
the hope that it would get him re-elected.

Must have worked.

If a policy is put into place and then ignored the poilicy still exists. I
believe that you need to look up the definition of policy.

Do you believe that the "policies" of one president are automatically binding
on all of his successors? Laws are, but policies are a matter of executive
discretion.

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JohnH wrote:

Preventing the public display for propaganda purposes of the liberals IS
treating the deceased with dignity and deserved attention. If the media
'papparazzi' (sp) need pictures of caskets, they should get permission from the
next of kin to videotape the funeral.

I don't recall a lot of outrage whenever the media showed bagged remains
carried past lines of workers in the WTC wreckage.

I don't recall a lot of outrage at photos of Reagan pinning medals on
the coffins of Marines at Dover.

I don't recall a lot of right wing protests at Carter, Reagan, Clinton,
or George 1st grabbing all the sad photo ops that Dover provided.

Spare us your outrage and your hypocrisy. It smells of Bush's failed
adventures and decaying jingoism.

Rick

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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Who are you (et al) to say that Americans aren't aware of the death and
destruction occurring in Iraq? Are you (et al) so presumptuous as to think
that
only you can appreciate the fact of a soldier getting killed or wounded
and that
other Americans must see caskets? You (et al)must hold yourself in some
sort of
elevated regard if you believe that.

It's a hell of lot different to eat packaged beef and witness the feed lots
and slaughter houses. You'd like for everyone to have a nicely packaged
product that hides the hideous realities of war.

Shame on you for signing onto this disgraceful practice of hiding the bad
news.

Doesn't surprise me.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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I have been the Survivor Assistance Officer for my share of casualties.
Not one
has ever had the idea that their son's remains be met at the CONUS arrival
facility by the President. If it's such a big shortcoming, why hasn't the
Senate
minority leader, Daschle, made the trip to Dover? Is he being
disrespectful? He
isn't the President, or CinC, but so what? He considers himself to be a
very
important person with much higher standing than the President.

We're not talking about the asshole in office never attending a single
funeral, we're talking about the systematic hiding of casualties and the
poor treatment the people who've been injured in Iraq are receiving.

Our heros are second class citizens whose benefits, pay and basic humane
treatment (such as bullet proof vests) are overlooked or purposely denied by
this administration.

Shame on all of us for letting this happen.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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He acknowledges them every time he speaks. Your comments are bordering on,
nay,
have become ridiculous.

He avoids it like the plague. He didn't have the balls to serve out his
term in the military and he doesn't have the balls to step up and take the
heat for the death of our fathers and sons in Iraq.

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jps wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I have been the Survivor Assistance Officer for my share of casualties.
Not one
has ever had the idea that their son's remains be met at the CONUS arrival
facility by the President. If it's such a big shortcoming, why hasn't the
Senate
minority leader, Daschle, made the trip to Dover? Is he being
disrespectful? He
isn't the President, or CinC, but so what? He considers himself to be a
very
important person with much higher standing than the President.

We're not talking about the asshole in office never attending a single
funeral, we're talking about the systematic hiding of casualties and the
poor treatment the people who've been injured in Iraq are receiving.

Our heros are second class citizens whose benefits, pay and basic humane
treatment (such as bullet proof vests) are overlooked or purposely denied by
this administration.

Shame on all of us for letting this happen.



It's part of the Bush program of hiding from the public and hiding from
the media so the tough questions aren't asked.

We can't have the presidential doofus put on the spot, after all.

--
Email sent to will never reach me.

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On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:51:43 -0800, "jps" wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .

Who are you (et al) to say that Americans aren't aware of the death and
destruction occurring in Iraq? Are you (et al) so presumptuous as to think
that
only you can appreciate the fact of a soldier getting killed or wounded
and that
other Americans must see caskets? You (et al)must hold yourself in some
sort of
elevated regard if you believe that.

It's a hell of lot different to eat packaged beef and witness the feed lots
and slaughter houses. You'd like for everyone to have a nicely packaged
product that hides the hideous realities of war.

Shame on you for signing onto this disgraceful practice of hiding the bad
news.

Doesn't surprise me.

What is the difference between televising funerals, with the next of kin
permission, or televising caskets without? Your desire that caskets be shown to
Americans, who don't understand or appreciate death, would be accomplished.
Also, the dignity and privacy of the deceased and the NOK would be protected.
Seems reasonable.

I'm not trying to hide anything. I am respecting the dignity and privacy of the
deceased and the NOK. You seem hell bent on violating that privacy - turning it
into a spectacle for your (et al) own agenda.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 05:30:21 GMT, Rick wrote:

JohnH wrote:

Preventing the public display for propaganda purposes of the liberals IS
treating the deceased with dignity and deserved attention. If the media
'papparazzi' (sp) need pictures of caskets, they should get permission from the
next of kin to videotape the funeral.

I don't recall a lot of outrage whenever the media showed bagged remains
carried past lines of workers in the WTC wreckage.

I don't recall a lot of outrage at photos of Reagan pinning medals on
the coffins of Marines at Dover.

I don't recall a lot of right wing protests at Carter, Reagan, Clinton,
or George 1st grabbing all the sad photo ops that Dover provided.

Spare us your outrage and your hypocrisy. It smells of Bush's failed
adventures and decaying jingoism.

Rick

Does my response indicate, to you, outrage? Geez, I hope I never get angry with
you guys.

What is outrageouos is your belief that only you (et a few al's) can appreciate
the death of a soldier without seeing his coffin come out the back of an
airplane.

What is wrong with my suggestion that the funerals be televised? Is it that most
families would not allow the media to do so? Could it be that privacy is
desired?

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 08:11:17 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

Your desire that caskets be shown to
Americans, who don't understand or appreciate death, would be accomplished.

Speak for yourself. I think Americans understand and appreciate
death.

bb