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The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population.
Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. |
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries |
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Agreed. Gene brought up population density. My point was that the density in European countries is no higher than that in LA or New York for example. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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John H
- show quoted text - Agreed. Gene brought up population density. My point was that the density in European countries is no higher than that in LA or New York for example. - show quoted text - ββ I think you were referring to Greg instead of Gene maybe? |
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:11:25 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
John H - show quoted text - Agreed. Gene brought up population density. My point was that the density in European countries is no higher than that in LA or New York for example. - show quoted text - I think you were referring to Greg instead of Gene maybe? Whoops! My bad! You are correctomundo! -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:49:20 -0400, John wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. .... and I said the I-95 I-5 corridors so we are on the same page but most of the country is not there. I agree when this gets loose in the city it will be a nightmare, particularly when the homeless get it. I am just not sure how you score those deaths. Was it C-19 or one of the usual things that kill them ... and do we really care? |
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. |
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wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. |
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:49:20 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. ... and I said the I-95 I-5 corridors so we are on the same page but most of the country is not there. I agree when this gets loose in the city it will be a nightmare, particularly when the homeless get it. I am just not sure how you score those deaths. Was it C-19 or one of the usual things that kill them ... and do we really care? We are not all non-caring loonytarians. |
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Bill wrote:
wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases. |
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 12:58:48 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:49:20 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. ... and I said the I-95 I-5 corridors so we are on the same page but most of the country is not there. I agree when this gets loose in the city it will be a nightmare, particularly when the homeless get it. I am just not sure how you score those deaths. Was it C-19 or one of the usual things that kill them ... and do we really care? Yes, we do care. I hate seeing anyone suffer. Trump has mentioned the flu and the last briefing or two. It's still killing at the rate of about 4K per month, but that's not important because it can't be used to make Trump look bad. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On 24 Mar 2020 17:35:06 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:49:20 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. ... and I said the I-95 I-5 corridors so we are on the same page but most of the country is not there. I agree when this gets loose in the city it will be a nightmare, particularly when the homeless get it. I am just not sure how you score those deaths. Was it C-19 or one of the usual things that kill them ... and do we really care? We are not all non-caring loonytarians. Luckily only a small percent of the population is as full of **** as you. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 17:14:58 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. Not sure what you mean by 'evenly distributed'. The 106/1M cases could be evenly distributed, but you'd still not see but a few in states like Wyoming and Montana. The cases would be clustered in the high population centers. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On 24 Mar 2020 17:35:07 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:
Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases. So what? Is that Trump's fault? The undiagnosed cases should have the same distribution as the diagnosed cases. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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John Wrote in message:
On 24 Mar 2020 17:35:07 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR3OxhP3wwwbr_ihNoXHNJiW6FbUahQX5SCRlRpW fh52SXSoYFPSo5WIIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is +AH4-2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_and_population_of_European_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases.So what? Is that Trump's fault? The undiagnosed cases should have the samedistribution as the diagnosed cases.--Freedom Isn't Free! What we need is a prominent democrat to get in there and level the playing field. Ya, thats the ticket. :-) -- .. ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 14:31:31 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart wrote:
John Wrote in message: On 24 Mar 2020 17:35:07 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR3OxhP3wwwbr_ihNoXHNJiW6FbUahQX5SCRlRpW fh52SXSoYFPSo5WIIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_and_population_of_European_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases.So what? Is that Trump's fault? The undiagnosed cases should have the samedistribution as the diagnosed cases.--Freedom Isn't Free! What we need is a prominent democrat to get in there and level the playing field. Ya, thats the ticket. :-) Amen. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:49:20 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. ... and I said the I-95 I-5 corridors so we are on the same page but most of the country is not there. I agree when this gets loose in the city it will be a nightmare, particularly when the homeless get it. I am just not sure how you score those deaths. Was it C-19 or one of the usual things that kill them ... and do we really care? We are not all non-caring loonytarians. No, you are a non caring leftist. Gimme, gimme, gimme. |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases. And how do you know this? Now a medical expert? |
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John wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 17:14:58 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. Not sure what you mean by 'evenly distributed'. The 106/1M cases could be evenly distributed, but you'd still not see but a few in states like Wyoming and Montana. The cases would be clustered in the high population centers. -- Freedom Isn't Free! Should be fairly evenly distributed age wise. Not referring to geographical area. Maybe even a few more towards the middle years than the elderly, as they meet more people. |
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John wrote:
On 24 Mar 2020 17:35:07 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases. So what? Is that Trump's fault? The undiagnosed cases should have the same distribution as the diagnosed cases. -- Freedom Isn't Free! They should, if every case was diagnosed. But if younger people have little symptoms, are more a carrier than a victim, we will see more of a chart where diagnosis follows the more likely to have severe symptoms, not the infected. |
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On 3/24/20 2:47 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote: Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases. And how do you know this? Now a medical expert? I was agreeing with you. For the most part, access to the tests has been restricted to relatively few of those with the severest symptoms and hardly at all to those with mild symptoms. Ergo, there are a lot of undiagnosed cases. |
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 18:47:32 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 17:14:58 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. Not sure what you mean by 'evenly distributed'. The 106/1M cases could be evenly distributed, but you'd still not see but a few in states like Wyoming and Montana. The cases would be clustered in the high population centers. -- Freedom Isn't Free! Should be fairly evenly distributed age wise. Not referring to geographical area. Maybe even a few more towards the middle years than the elderly, as they meet more people. It seems to be staying away from kids, and the young folks get over it readily. Hell, they may have thought they had a mild flu. It's us old folks taking up the bed space, I reckon. The chart here shows a distribution by age for deaths. I'd assume the distribution by criticality is pretty close. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/ -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 1:35:08 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:49:20 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. ... and I said the I-95 I-5 corridors so we are on the same page but most of the country is not there. I agree when this gets loose in the city it will be a nightmare, particularly when the homeless get it. I am just not sure how you score those deaths. Was it C-19 or one of the usual things that kill them ... and do we really care? We are not all non-caring loonytarians. What difference does it make? |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/24/20 2:47 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases. And how do you know this? Now a medical expert? I was agreeing with you. For the most part, access to the tests has been restricted to relatively few of those with the severest symptoms and hardly at all to those with mild symptoms. Ergo, there are a lot of undiagnosed cases. There are not enough tests to test more than a small minority. One of the Area fire department get 360 tests a day. Will test the first 360 in line I think. Picture shows a thermal scanner, so may see if temperature is abnormal before actually burning a test kit. |
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John wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 18:47:32 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 17:14:58 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. Not sure what you mean by 'evenly distributed'. The 106/1M cases could be evenly distributed, but you'd still not see but a few in states like Wyoming and Montana. The cases would be clustered in the high population centers. -- Freedom Isn't Free! Should be fairly evenly distributed age wise. Not referring to geographical area. Maybe even a few more towards the middle years than the elderly, as they meet more people. It seems to be staying away from kids, and the young folks get over it readily. Hell, they may have thought they had a mild flu. It's us old folks taking up the bed space, I reckon. The chart here shows a distribution by age for deaths. I'd assume the distribution by criticality is pretty close. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/ -- Freedom Isn't Free! That is why I think the virus will run itβs course fairly quickly. Those with no symptoms and mild case of the virus will spread it to relatives and close friend. So may not be long before 90% of the population is exposed. May have, may not have a steep curve of hospital cases or death cases. Since corona viruses have been in the population a long time from my reading, we may have some built up immunity. |
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On 24 Mar 2020 17:35:06 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:49:20 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. ... and I said the I-95 I-5 corridors so we are on the same page but most of the country is not there. I agree when this gets loose in the city it will be a nightmare, particularly when the homeless get it. I am just not sure how you score those deaths. Was it C-19 or one of the usual things that kill them ... and do we really care? We are not all non-caring loonytarians. Do I care as much about drug addicted bums, ****ting behind dumpsters and harassing tax payers, with a life expectancy of around 50, in good times, as I do productive citizens? Hell no. Like I said, how would we score their deaths? Covid or simply the result of their chosen lifestyle? If it wasn't this, the drugs, COPD, perhaps a murder by another bum, was going to get them soon anyway. |
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On 24 Mar 2020 17:35:07 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:
Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases. I was disappointed in my governor. We are still allowing people from New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, ground zero on the east coast to land at our airports. This was the perfect opportunity to limit the disease and he choked., I guess he wants to try to get that Palm Beach, Broward, Miami vote next time. |
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 18:47:32 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 17:14:58 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. Not sure what you mean by 'evenly distributed'. The 106/1M cases could be evenly distributed, but you'd still not see but a few in states like Wyoming and Montana. The cases would be clustered in the high population centers. -- Freedom Isn't Free! Should be fairly evenly distributed age wise. Not referring to geographical area. Maybe even a few more towards the middle years than the elderly, as they meet more people. If close personal contact is the key to transmission that would be the younger cohorts. They seem to be the ones who are totally ignoring the social distance thing. I am still having trouble keeping the 20-30 somethings around here from not wanting to shake my hand and getting too close. I had some young woman jamming me up at Publix while I was in line. I pushed my cart back towards her and held it there. I am still not sure she understood. |
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:02:07 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 3/24/20 2:47 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases. And how do you know this? Now a medical expert? I was agreeing with you. For the most part, access to the tests has been restricted to relatively few of those with the severest symptoms and hardly at all to those with mild symptoms. Ergo, there are a lot of undiagnosed cases. I still am not sure what the value of the test is if you are not getting tested at least once a week and then what. You could get infected coming home from the test. Fauci says we should all act like we know we have it. |
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 23:06:44 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:02:07 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/20 2:47 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases. And how do you know this? Now a medical expert? I was agreeing with you. For the most part, access to the tests has been restricted to relatively few of those with the severest symptoms and hardly at all to those with mild symptoms. Ergo, there are a lot of undiagnosed cases. I still am not sure what the value of the test is if you are not getting tested at least once a week and then what. You could get infected coming home from the test. Fauci says we should all act like we know we have it. It's a shame the liberals can't, or won't, understand that. Every day we're told in the briefings that only those with symptoms should be tested. Yet they keep whining that there are not enough test kits for the whole population. It's an 'anti-Trump' thing. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:34:31 -0400, John wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 23:06:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:02:07 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/20 2:47 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases. And how do you know this? Now a medical expert? I was agreeing with you. For the most part, access to the tests has been restricted to relatively few of those with the severest symptoms and hardly at all to those with mild symptoms. Ergo, there are a lot of undiagnosed cases. I still am not sure what the value of the test is if you are not getting tested at least once a week and then what. You could get infected coming home from the test. Fauci says we should all act like we know we have it. It's a shame the liberals can't, or won't, understand that. Every day we're told in the briefings that only those with symptoms should be tested. Yet they keep whining that there are not enough test kits for the whole population. It's an 'anti-Trump' thing. I am not even sure what that testing accomplishes other than just maintaining the stats. Fauci says anyone with symptoms should just assume they have it and act accordingly. Even in the hospital, the treatment is just controlling the symptoms for the most part. At a certain point the test we will need is for the antibodies to see if you actually had it, once this thing has infected a certain percentage of the population, to see who is left at risk. It will be similar to chicken pox or one of those other diseases that is controlled but there are still people who need to be careful because they never had it. |
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On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 09:10:03 -0400, wrote:
I am not even sure what that testing accomplishes other than just maintaining the stats. === I think probably the most important reason is to catch people with mild or no symptoms early, and get them into quarantine before they infect a lot of others. That would be especially valuable for people like health care workers or first responders who have to deal with the public routinely. It's really unfortunate to see these issues get politcized as pro Trump or anti Trump. It detracts from the very real problems that have to be dealt with and solved. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 3/24/2020 10:56 PM, wrote:
On 24 Mar 2020 17:35:07 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases. I was disappointed in my governor. We are still allowing people from New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, ground zero on the east coast to land at our airports. This was the perfect opportunity to limit the disease and he choked., I guess he wants to try to get that Palm Beach, Broward, Miami vote next time. Me too. writing laws is the easy part. enforcing them is a different story. After seeing the lack of enforcement activity and the indifference and arrogance of the incoming NY passengers, I think DeSantis needs to force compliance or deny entry into our state. -- Pity Fat Harry. His ability to produce rational thought on his own, no longer exists, if it ever did at all. |
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On 3/25/2020 9:10 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:34:31 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 23:06:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:02:07 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/20 2:47 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases. And how do you know this? Now a medical expert? I was agreeing with you. For the most part, access to the tests has been restricted to relatively few of those with the severest symptoms and hardly at all to those with mild symptoms. Ergo, there are a lot of undiagnosed cases. I still am not sure what the value of the test is if you are not getting tested at least once a week and then what. You could get infected coming home from the test. Fauci says we should all act like we know we have it. It's a shame the liberals can't, or won't, understand that. Every day we're told in the briefings that only those with symptoms should be tested. Yet they keep whining that there are not enough test kits for the whole population. It's an 'anti-Trump' thing. I am not even sure what that testing accomplishes other than just maintaining the stats. Fauci says anyone with symptoms should just assume they have it and act accordingly. Even in the hospital, the treatment is just controlling the symptoms for the most part. At a certain point the test we will need is for the antibodies to see if you actually had it, once this thing has infected a certain percentage of the population, to see who is left at risk. It will be similar to chicken pox or one of those other diseases that is controlled but there are still people who need to be careful because they never had it. There is no evidence yet that having been infected with this virus means you are immune to it in the future. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
How do we compare?
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/25/2020 9:10 AM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:34:31 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 23:06:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:02:07 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/20 2:47 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases. And how do you know this? Now a medical expert? I was agreeing with you. For the most part, access to the tests has been restricted to relatively few of those with the severest symptoms and hardly at all to those with mild symptoms. Ergo, there are a lot of undiagnosed cases. I still am not sure what the value of the test is if you are not getting tested at least once a week and then what. You could get infected coming home from the test. Fauci says we should all act like we know we have it. It's a shame the liberals can't, or won't, understand that. Every day we're told in the briefings that only those with symptoms should be tested. Yet they keep whining that there are not enough test kits for the whole population. It's an 'anti-Trump' thing. I am not even sure what that testing accomplishes other than just maintaining the stats. Fauci says anyone with symptoms should just assume they have it and act accordingly. Even in the hospital, the treatment is just controlling the symptoms for the most part. At a certain point the test we will need is for the antibodies to see if you actually had it, once this thing has infected a certain percentage of the population, to see who is left at risk. It will be similar to chicken pox or one of those other diseases that is controlled but there are still people who need to be careful because they never had it. There is no evidence yet that having been infected with this virus means you are immune to it in the future. There are precedents. With SARS, MERS and some Monkey testing. |
How do we compare?
On 3/25/2020 12:55 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/25/2020 9:10 AM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:34:31 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 23:06:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:02:07 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/24/20 2:47 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2020 7:49 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 01:13:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:43:13 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:41:49 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:21 -0400, Adorable Deplorable wrote: The site below lists by country the number of cases per million population. Comparing us, at 106/1M, to some of those countries with the 'superb' medical systems make ours look pretty good. Trump did the right thing, and seems to be continuing. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...IIsE#countries Country Cases/1M Pop USA 106 Sweden 191 Denmark 250 France 252 Switzerland 951 Netherlands 245 Germany 313 They did have a head start and they do have a higher population density. New York will be a good test of the population density thing. Those people in Manhattan have less than 400 square feet each to live their whole lives. (based on pop density) My garage is bigger than that. I think Luddite shot some of that out of the water. We have just as high a density in our population centers as those countries do. Not if you take the US as a whole ... by a long shot. I agree the density of Europe is like the I95 or I5 corridor but as soon as you turn inward the density falls off fast. Even so except for Norway Finland and Denmark most of europe is dark orange or red on this map https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/512popdn.pdf You are a math whiz. A Sq/mi is ~2.6 sq/km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_a...pean_countries I said 'in our population centers'! Jeees. -- Freedom Isn't Free! This thread has become confused. The comment I made earlier had nothing to do with population density. It had to do with one of Harry's assertions that the corvid-19 virus established itself in countries in Europe *before* it was first confirmed in the USA. He was trying to make the case that *that* is the reason for their higher death rate per million population. I presented dates of the first confirmed cases for several countries including those that Harry routinely likes to compare their superior health care systems to that of the USA. Bottom line ... the Corvid-19 virus was confirmed in the USA weeks or in one case at least a month before it was confirmed in his favorite countries in Europe. Unfortunately the first cases in Washington State were in a nursing home where the death rate was staggering but not unusual for a nursing home. Those people don't expect to come out of there alive in the first place. Seeing the charts where most of the cases are in the elderly, does not seem correct. I think the disease should be more evenly distributed. Therefore there has to be a lot of undiagnosed cases. They will be mild, so the younger are thinking it is something else and not getting checked. You are correct...there are lots of undiagnosed cases. And how do you know this? Now a medical expert? I was agreeing with you. For the most part, access to the tests has been restricted to relatively few of those with the severest symptoms and hardly at all to those with mild symptoms. Ergo, there are a lot of undiagnosed cases. I still am not sure what the value of the test is if you are not getting tested at least once a week and then what. You could get infected coming home from the test. Fauci says we should all act like we know we have it. It's a shame the liberals can't, or won't, understand that. Every day we're told in the briefings that only those with symptoms should be tested. Yet they keep whining that there are not enough test kits for the whole population. It's an 'anti-Trump' thing. I am not even sure what that testing accomplishes other than just maintaining the stats. Fauci says anyone with symptoms should just assume they have it and act accordingly. Even in the hospital, the treatment is just controlling the symptoms for the most part. At a certain point the test we will need is for the antibodies to see if you actually had it, once this thing has infected a certain percentage of the population, to see who is left at risk. It will be similar to chicken pox or one of those other diseases that is controlled but there are still people who need to be careful because they never had it. There is no evidence yet that having been infected with this virus means you are immune to it in the future. There are precedents. With SARS, MERS and some Monkey testing. A coronavirus is of the same general family that causes the common cold. This novel covid-19 version is of the same family. You don't become immune to getting a cold just because you've had one in the past. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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