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Tim December 22nd 19 01:27 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen

Keyser Soze December 22nd 19 01:45 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On 12/22/19 8:27 AM, Tim wrote:
https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen



Perhaps Boeing was the contractor on the "avoidance" software...


John H.[_5_] December 22nd 19 02:49 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen


Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all the other cruise lines put
together.

[email protected] December 22nd 19 05:17 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen


Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all the other cruise lines put
together.


I always say the food and service in general is what you would expect
at a Carnival.


[email protected] December 22nd 19 05:23 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 08:45:09 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/22/19 8:27 AM, Tim wrote:
https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen



Perhaps Boeing was the contractor on the "avoidance" software...



I was cleaning out my old magazines and I came up with this article. I
was struck by what they said toward the end.

"Boeing meanwhile has been using the software widely to develop and
support its commercial airplanes, military aircraft, and spacecraft.
The company used Pegasus 5 in the development of its wide-bodied
747-8—the longest passenger aircraft in the world—and the latest
versions of the 787 Dreamliner. Pegasus 5 simulations also played a
role in developing the 737 MAX, which first flew in early 2016, and
the 777X, which is slated to fly in 2020."

“Today, much of the uncertainty of analysis and design has been
eliminated,” and much of that is thanks to Pegasus 5.

In May 2016, when Gregg wrote a letter on behalf of Boeing encouraging
NASA to consider Pegasus 5 for the Agency’s Software of the Year
Award, he wrote that “without PEG5, we would not be able to
efficiently design and analyze the wide array of aerospace products
that we build at the Boeing Company.”

[email protected] December 22nd 19 06:17 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:23:41 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 08:45:09 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/22/19 8:27 AM, Tim wrote:
https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen



Perhaps Boeing was the contractor on the "avoidance" software...



I was cleaning out my old magazines and I came up with this article. I
was struck by what they said toward the end.

"Boeing meanwhile has been using the software widely to develop and
support its commercial airplanes, military aircraft, and spacecraft.
The company used Pegasus 5 in the development of its wide-bodied
747-8the longest passenger aircraft in the worldand the latest
versions of the 787 Dreamliner. Pegasus 5 simulations also played a
role in developing the 737 MAX, which first flew in early 2016, and
the 777X, which is slated to fly in 2020."

Today, much of the uncertainty of analysis and design has been
eliminated, and much of that is thanks to Pegasus 5.

In May 2016, when Gregg wrote a letter on behalf of Boeing encouraging
NASA to consider Pegasus 5 for the Agencys Software of the Year
Award, he wrote that without PEG5, we would not be able to
efficiently design and analyze the wide array of aerospace products
that we build at the Boeing Company.


===

It seems possible that Boeing has some systemic management issues,
similar to the sort of cultural problems that were discovered at NASA
after the first space shuttle disaster. When people fear losing their
jobs for raising a quality or design question, problems that should
have been flushed out and resolved, instead get buried and ignored.
It's a difficult balancing act for organizations that are operating
under rigid scheduling and profitability goals.

That said , it seems unlikely that Carnival's docking mishap was the
result of a hardware or software glitch. More likely it was a
combination of bad judgement, bad weather luck, and possibly a harbor
congiguration that allows insuficient maneuvering room. The captain
may have also been under time pressure since a lot of the shoreside
activities are tightly scheduled. Supposedly the ship got hit with a
powerful 30 kt wind gust at a critical juncture.

Its Me December 22nd 19 07:09 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 12:17:38 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen


Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all the other cruise lines put
together.


I always say the food and service in general is what you would expect
at a Carnival.


We went on a Carnival cruise 25 years ago. I remember the food and service as being pretty good, certainly not 5 star, but not bad. Then we went on one about 7-8 years ago for an (in-law) family milestone event. We'll never go on another.

We're looking at the Viking river cruises. That's on the list for after retirement.

[email protected] December 22nd 19 07:59 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 13:17:28 -0500,
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:23:41 -0500,
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 08:45:09 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/22/19 8:27 AM, Tim wrote:
https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen



Perhaps Boeing was the contractor on the "avoidance" software...



I was cleaning out my old magazines and I came up with this article. I
was struck by what they said toward the end.

"Boeing meanwhile has been using the software widely to develop and
support its commercial airplanes, military aircraft, and spacecraft.
The company used Pegasus 5 in the development of its wide-bodied
747-8—the longest passenger aircraft in the world—and the latest
versions of the 787 Dreamliner. Pegasus 5 simulations also played a
role in developing the 737 MAX, which first flew in early 2016, and
the 777X, which is slated to fly in 2020."

“Today, much of the uncertainty of analysis and design has been
eliminated,” and much of that is thanks to Pegasus 5.

In May 2016, when Gregg wrote a letter on behalf of Boeing encouraging
NASA to consider Pegasus 5 for the Agency’s Software of the Year
Award, he wrote that “without PEG5, we would not be able to
efficiently design and analyze the wide array of aerospace products
that we build at the Boeing Company.”


===

It seems possible that Boeing has some systemic management issues,
similar to the sort of cultural problems that were discovered at NASA
after the first space shuttle disaster. When people fear losing their
jobs for raising a quality or design question, problems that should
have been flushed out and resolved, instead get buried and ignored.
It's a difficult balancing act for organizations that are operating
under rigid scheduling and profitability goals.

Been there done that at my old company. It was all about "making the
next quarter".

That said , it seems unlikely that Carnival's docking mishap was the
result of a hardware or software glitch. More likely it was a
combination of bad judgement, bad weather luck, and possibly a harbor
congiguration that allows insuficient maneuvering room. The captain
may have also been under time pressure since a lot of the shoreside
activities are tightly scheduled. Supposedly the ship got hit with a
powerful 30 kt wind gust at a critical juncture.


Too much confidence in thrusters I imagine. These guys expect to be
able to make these ships go wherever they want with a push of a joy
stick and that big slab sided sombitch can catch a whole lot of wind.
You are right about time pressures but sometimes I think they just
like to show off. I have seen them do some amazing tricks in the Miami
river with really big ships. I guess Carnival was lucky they didn't
crunch that Russian's yacht. He might have the captain whacked.

[email protected] December 22nd 19 08:06 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 11:09:53 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 12:17:38 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen

Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all the other cruise lines put
together.


I always say the food and service in general is what you would expect
at a Carnival.


We went on a Carnival cruise 25 years ago. I remember the food and service as being pretty good, certainly not 5 star, but not bad. Then we went on one about 7-8 years ago for an (in-law) family milestone event. We'll never go on another.

We're looking at the Viking river cruises. That's on the list for after retirement.


My Bradenton IBM buddy went on one in Europe on the Rhine starting in
Amsterdam. He did partake of some smokes in a coffee shop before he
left but he said it was a great cruise.

Bill[_12_] December 22nd 19 08:41 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the
years. Makes you wonder how this could happen


Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on
one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all
the other cruise lines put
together.


I always say the food and service in general is what you would expect
at a Carnival.



Carnival is just one of the cruise lines owned by the same company.
Celebrity, etc. Maybe, just different price points? I think Holland
America was a division.


John H.[_5_] December 22nd 19 09:06 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:17:30 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen


Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all the other cruise lines put
together.


I always say the food and service in general is what you would expect
at a Carnival.


Have you been on one?

[email protected] December 23rd 19 01:18 AM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:06:24 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:17:30 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen

Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all the other cruise lines put
together.


I always say the food and service in general is what you would expect
at a Carnival.


Have you been on one?


Several when we were cruising with Trane and Carrier (sales prizes).
My daughter got married on the Destiny. At the time the difference
between Carnival and Holland America was striking. I am not sure what
it is like now that it is one company.

[email protected] December 23rd 19 05:13 AM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 14:59:41 -0500, wrote:

I guess Carnival was lucky they didn't
crunch that Russian's yacht. He might have the captain whacked.


===

You can buy a lot of whack with that kind of money, not to mention a
whole boat load of ready, eager and willing...

John H.[_5_] December 23rd 19 07:50 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 20:18:14 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:06:24 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:17:30 -0500,
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen

Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all the other cruise lines put
together.

I always say the food and service in general is what you would expect
at a Carnival.


Have you been on one?


Several when we were cruising with Trane and Carrier (sales prizes).
My daughter got married on the Destiny. At the time the difference
between Carnival and Holland America was striking. I am not sure what
it is like now that it is one company.


We'll probably stick with Disney, although I've been hearing some good things about MSC. We're going
out of New Orleans in Feb on a Disney ship. Looking forward to spending a few days in New Orleans
once we return. Neither of us have ever been there.

[email protected] December 23rd 19 07:58 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 14:50:25 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 20:18:14 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:06:24 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:17:30 -0500,
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen

Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all the other cruise lines put
together.

I always say the food and service in general is what you would expect
at a Carnival.

Have you been on one?


Several when we were cruising with Trane and Carrier (sales prizes).
My daughter got married on the Destiny. At the time the difference
between Carnival and Holland America was striking. I am not sure what
it is like now that it is one company.


We'll probably stick with Disney, although I've been hearing some good things about MSC. We're going
out of New Orleans in Feb on a Disney ship. Looking forward to spending a few days in New Orleans
once we return. Neither of us have ever been there.


We are probably done cruising. If we do anything it would be a river
cruise in the US. The only ocean cruises that might interest me would
be one of those New Horizon things with the ship board seminars and
historic/scientific stops. My wife is not that interested.

Tim December 23rd 19 09:12 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 

On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 14:50:25 -0500, John H.
- show quoted text -
We are probably done cruising. If we do anything it would be a river
cruise in the US. The only ocean cruises that might interest me would
be one of those New Horizon things with the ship board seminars and
historic/scientific stops. My wife is not that interested.

..
——

Getting stuff lined up to do a good river/ lake cruise probably this summer or early fall. Hope nothing crash’s the plans this year. Been waiting on it a long time...

Its Me December 23rd 19 09:37 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 2:58:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 14:50:25 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 20:18:14 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:06:24 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:17:30 -0500,
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen

Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all the other cruise lines put
together.

I always say the food and service in general is what you would expect
at a Carnival.

Have you been on one?

Several when we were cruising with Trane and Carrier (sales prizes).
My daughter got married on the Destiny. At the time the difference
between Carnival and Holland America was striking. I am not sure what
it is like now that it is one company.


We'll probably stick with Disney, although I've been hearing some good things about MSC. We're going
out of New Orleans in Feb on a Disney ship. Looking forward to spending a few days in New Orleans
once we return. Neither of us have ever been there.


We are probably done cruising. If we do anything it would be a river
cruise in the US. The only ocean cruises that might interest me would
be one of those New Horizon things with the ship board seminars and
historic/scientific stops. My wife is not that interested.


Look into the Lindblad cruises. Pricey, but they look very cool.

[email protected] December 24th 19 01:34 AM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 13:37:14 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 2:58:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 14:50:25 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 20:18:14 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:06:24 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:17:30 -0500,
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen

Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all the other cruise lines put
together.

I always say the food and service in general is what you would expect
at a Carnival.

Have you been on one?

Several when we were cruising with Trane and Carrier (sales prizes).
My daughter got married on the Destiny. At the time the difference
between Carnival and Holland America was striking. I am not sure what
it is like now that it is one company.

We'll probably stick with Disney, although I've been hearing some good things about MSC. We're going
out of New Orleans in Feb on a Disney ship. Looking forward to spending a few days in New Orleans
once we return. Neither of us have ever been there.


We are probably done cruising. If we do anything it would be a river
cruise in the US. The only ocean cruises that might interest me would
be one of those New Horizon things with the ship board seminars and
historic/scientific stops. My wife is not that interested.


Look into the Lindblad cruises. Pricey, but they look very cool.


I might be able to talk her into the Scotland one. Now where is that
lottery ticket?

Alex[_22_] December 25th 19 02:08 AM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
John H. wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 20:18:14 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:06:24 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:17:30 -0500,
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen
Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all the other cruise lines put
together.
I always say the food and service in general is what you would expect
at a Carnival.
Have you been on one?

Several when we were cruising with Trane and Carrier (sales prizes).
My daughter got married on the Destiny. At the time the difference
between Carnival and Holland America was striking. I am not sure what
it is like now that it is one company.

We'll probably stick with Disney, although I've been hearing some good things about MSC. We're going
out of New Orleans in Feb on a Disney ship. Looking forward to spending a few days in New Orleans
once we return. Neither of us have ever been there.


Go to Dragos. It's on the river. Great food and service and a decent
price. NOLA if you want to go upscale. Acme is good, too, if you are
near Bourbon Street but they are usually busy and it's a little loud.

John H.[_5_] December 25th 19 03:13 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 21:08:58 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 20:18:14 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:06:24 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:17:30 -0500,
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen
Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all the other cruise lines put
together.
I always say the food and service in general is what you would expect
at a Carnival.
Have you been on one?
Several when we were cruising with Trane and Carrier (sales prizes).
My daughter got married on the Destiny. At the time the difference
between Carnival and Holland America was striking. I am not sure what
it is like now that it is one company.

We'll probably stick with Disney, although I've been hearing some good things about MSC. We're going
out of New Orleans in Feb on a Disney ship. Looking forward to spending a few days in New Orleans
once we return. Neither of us have ever been there.


Go to Dragos. It's on the river. Great food and service and a decent
price. NOLA if you want to go upscale. Acme is good, too, if you are
near Bourbon Street but they are usually busy and it's a little loud.


Thanks. We're staying at the Hilton New Orleans, which is downtown. Is the Dragos also known as the
Dragos-Hilton on Poydras St.? That's only a half-mile from the hotel.

And, Merry Christmas to you!

[email protected] December 25th 19 03:48 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 10:13:21 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 21:08:58 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 20:18:14 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:06:24 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:17:30 -0500,
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen
Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all the other cruise lines put
together.
I always say the food and service in general is what you would expect
at a Carnival.
Have you been on one?
Several when we were cruising with Trane and Carrier (sales prizes).
My daughter got married on the Destiny. At the time the difference
between Carnival and Holland America was striking. I am not sure what
it is like now that it is one company.
We'll probably stick with Disney, although I've been hearing some good things about MSC. We're going
out of New Orleans in Feb on a Disney ship. Looking forward to spending a few days in New Orleans
once we return. Neither of us have ever been there.


Go to Dragos. It's on the river. Great food and service and a decent
price. NOLA if you want to go upscale. Acme is good, too, if you are
near Bourbon Street but they are usually busy and it's a little loud.


Thanks. We're staying at the Hilton New Orleans, which is downtown. Is the Dragos also known as the
Dragos-Hilton on Poydras St.? That's only a half-mile from the hotel.

And, Merry Christmas to you!


Bourbon Street is a real freak show late at night. About half of the
"women", aren't. It was a little much for a country boy. ;-)

Compared to NOLA, Key West is Disneyland.

Keyser Soze December 25th 19 03:50 PM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On 12/25/19 10:48 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 10:13:21 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 21:08:58 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 20:18:14 -0500,
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:06:24 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:17:30 -0500,
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen
Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all the other cruise lines put
together.
I always say the food and service in general is what you would expect
at a Carnival.
Have you been on one?
Several when we were cruising with Trane and Carrier (sales prizes).
My daughter got married on the Destiny. At the time the difference
between Carnival and Holland America was striking. I am not sure what
it is like now that it is one company.
We'll probably stick with Disney, although I've been hearing some good things about MSC. We're going
out of New Orleans in Feb on a Disney ship. Looking forward to spending a few days in New Orleans
once we return. Neither of us have ever been there.

Go to Dragos. It's on the river. Great food and service and a decent
price. NOLA if you want to go upscale. Acme is good, too, if you are
near Bourbon Street but they are usually busy and it's a little loud.


Thanks. We're staying at the Hilton New Orleans, which is downtown. Is the Dragos also known as the
Dragos-Hilton on Poydras St.? That's only a half-mile from the hotel.

And, Merry Christmas to you!


Bourbon Street is a real freak show late at night. About half of the
"women", aren't. It was a little much for a country boy. ;-)

Compared to NOLA, Key West is Disneyland.


I'd be wary of New Orleans. Wife was there a couple of months ago for a
business meeting and said much of the downtown area is still terrible
looking after the floods, and a lot of the better shops never reopened,
and that goes for some of the restaurants, too. NO used to be one of our
favorite destinations, too. :(


John H.[_5_] December 26th 19 01:18 AM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 10:50:36 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 12/25/19 10:48 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 10:13:21 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 21:08:58 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 20:18:14 -0500,
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:06:24 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:17:30 -0500,
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen
Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all the other cruise lines put
together.
I always say the food and service in general is what you would expect
at a Carnival.
Have you been on one?
Several when we were cruising with Trane and Carrier (sales prizes).
My daughter got married on the Destiny. At the time the difference
between Carnival and Holland America was striking. I am not sure what
it is like now that it is one company.
We'll probably stick with Disney, although I've been hearing some good things about MSC. We're going
out of New Orleans in Feb on a Disney ship. Looking forward to spending a few days in New Orleans
once we return. Neither of us have ever been there.

Go to Dragos. It's on the river. Great food and service and a decent
price. NOLA if you want to go upscale. Acme is good, too, if you are
near Bourbon Street but they are usually busy and it's a little loud.

Thanks. We're staying at the Hilton New Orleans, which is downtown. Is the Dragos also known as the
Dragos-Hilton on Poydras St.? That's only a half-mile from the hotel.

And, Merry Christmas to you!


Bourbon Street is a real freak show late at night. About half of the
"women", aren't. It was a little much for a country boy. ;-)

Compared to NOLA, Key West is Disneyland.


I'd be wary of New Orleans. Wife was there a couple of months ago for a
business meeting and said much of the downtown area is still terrible
looking after the floods, and a lot of the better shops never reopened,
and that goes for some of the restaurants, too. NO used to be one of our
favorite destinations, too. :(


Haven't you been shot at a few times there? Maybe it's just you!

Alex[_22_] December 27th 19 01:12 AM

Tw carvival cruise ships collide
 
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 21:08:58 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 20:18:14 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:06:24 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 12:17:30 -0500,
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:49:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 05:27:25 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

https://wgntv.com/2019/12/20/video-s...ource=facebook

Seems that carnival has been plagued with various mishaps over the years. Makes you wonder how this could happen
Carnival is about the cheapest of the cruise lines, but I'd never go on one of their cruises. You're
right, it seems like they have more illness and other problems than all the other cruise lines put
together.
I always say the food and service in general is what you would expect
at a Carnival.
Have you been on one?
Several when we were cruising with Trane and Carrier (sales prizes).
My daughter got married on the Destiny. At the time the difference
between Carnival and Holland America was striking. I am not sure what
it is like now that it is one company.
We'll probably stick with Disney, although I've been hearing some good things about MSC. We're going
out of New Orleans in Feb on a Disney ship. Looking forward to spending a few days in New Orleans
once we return. Neither of us have ever been there.

Go to Dragos. It's on the river. Great food and service and a decent
price. NOLA if you want to go upscale. Acme is good, too, if you are
near Bourbon Street but they are usually busy and it's a little loud.

Thanks. We're staying at the Hilton New Orleans, which is downtown. Is the Dragos also known as the
Dragos-Hilton on Poydras St.? That's only a half-mile from the hotel.

And, Merry Christmas to you!


That's it.


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