Abrogate the 14th?
 

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that says:

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if
he does ever read it, he won't understand it.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that says:

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States,
and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United
States and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and
if he does ever read it, he won't understand it.

They are, but their parents aren't, Fat Harry.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On 10/30/2018 7:49 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, theÂ* one that says:

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States,
and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United
States and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and
if heÂ* does ever read it, heÂ* won't understand it.

They are, but their parents aren't, Fat Harry.


Harry doesn't understand it either. There's more to this birthright
issue than what he'd like to believe in his simple minded, narrow
point of view.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
Harry doesn't understand it either. There's more to this birthright
issue than what he'd like to believe in his simple minded, narrow
point of view.
........


It’d probably be safe to say that his cats know more about politics than he does.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/30/2018 7:49 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, theÂ* one that says:

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States,
and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United
States and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and
if heÂ* does ever read it, heÂ* won't understand it.

They are, but their parents aren't, Fat Harry.


Harry doesn't understand it either. There's more to this birthright
issue than what he'd like to believe in his simple minded, narrow
point of view.


Were they subject to the jurisdiction when they were born? The parents
were here illegally, so what about the subject part?

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 8:58:25 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
Harry doesn't understand it either. There's more to this birthright
issue than what he'd like to believe in his simple minded, narrow
point of view.
.......


It’d probably be safe to say that his cats know more about politics than he does.

Funny how the left says the Constitution is a living, breathing document until someone on the right wants to change it.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if
he does ever read it, he won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then. The question is whether an "illegal" who is here
under a false identity or living in the underground economy and
unknown to the government is really under their jurisdiction. I agree
it is really fine slicing the words but there have been constitutional
cases land at the SCOTUS with less.
It is like the world series, I really do not have a dog in the fight,
I am not really watching but I will look to see it came out.
Maybe they should have been asking Kavanaugh more about immigration
than whether he groped a girl when he was a teenager.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if
he does ever read it, he won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then. The question is whether an "illegal" who is here
under a false identity or living in the underground economy and
unknown to the government is really under their jurisdiction. I agree
it is really fine slicing the words but there have been constitutional
cases land at the SCOTUS with less.
It is like the world series, I really do not have a dog in the fight,
I am not really watching but I will look to see it came out.
Maybe they should have been asking Kavanaugh more about immigration
than whether he groped a girl when he was a teenager.


As Harry states, words have meaning.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if
he does ever read it, he won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.

Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?

You consistently miss the forest to bite on a tree.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On 10/31/2018 6:43 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, theÂ* one that says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if
heÂ* does ever read it, heÂ* won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.


Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?



No, but Senator Harry Reid argued against birthright citizenship
until Nancy Pelosi hit him upside the head.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 06:43:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if
he does ever read it, he won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.

Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?

You consistently miss the forest to bite on a tree.

Maybe not Clinton personally (I never heard him say either way) but
there was a lot of discussion about the same question we are having
today. What does "under the jurisdiction" really mean?
If we did not have such a feckless legislature they would have written
a decent immigration bill sometime in the last 80 years but they
haven't.
Unfortunately in their absence it will come down to what 5 people in
the SCOTUS decide.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On 10/31/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 06:43:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if
he does ever read it, he won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.

Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?

You consistently miss the forest to bite on a tree.

Maybe not Clinton personally (I never heard him say either way) but
there was a lot of discussion about the same question we are having
today. What does "under the jurisdiction" really mean?
If we did not have such a feckless legislature they would have written
a decent immigration bill sometime in the last 80 years but they
haven't.
Unfortunately in their absence it will come down to what 5 people in
the SCOTUS decide.



I'd be surprised if the lower federal courts or the Supremes even took
up the case. The first sentence of the article is perfectly clear.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 13:07:32 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/31/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 06:43:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if
he does ever read it, he won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.

Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?

You consistently miss the forest to bite on a tree.

Maybe not Clinton personally (I never heard him say either way) but
there was a lot of discussion about the same question we are having
today. What does "under the jurisdiction" really mean?
If we did not have such a feckless legislature they would have written
a decent immigration bill sometime in the last 80 years but they
haven't.
Unfortunately in their absence it will come down to what 5 people in
the SCOTUS decide.



I'd be surprised if the lower federal courts or the Supremes even took
up the case. The first sentence of the article is perfectly clear.

The first sentence of the 1st amendment is pretty clear too but the
interpretation is more far ranging so who knows what the courts might
make of it.
Realistically this is a question for the legislature, that has the
responsibility to "To establish an uniform rule of naturalization"
Section 8 (4)
They are the ones who made up the law that says any child of a
citizen is a citizen. The Constitution is silent on that. It certainly
makes sense that they could more narrowly define what the 14th
amendment is saying, much like you want them to define what the 2d
amendment says.
We let the courts run amok with the 1st amendment and you see where
that ended up. KOCHPAC is now a "person" with full 1st amendment
rights.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 06:43:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if
he does ever read it, he won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.

Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?

You consistently miss the forest to bite on a tree.

Maybe not Clinton personally (I never heard him say either way) but
there was a lot of discussion about the same question we are having
today. What does "under the jurisdiction" really mean?
If we did not have such a feckless legislature they would have written
a decent immigration bill sometime in the last 80 years but they
haven't.
Unfortunately in their absence it will come down to what 5 people in
the SCOTUS decide.



I'd be surprised if the lower federal courts or the Supremes even took
up the case. The first sentence of the article is perfectly clear.


Yes, very clear. And the illegals are they under the jurisdiction? The
courts do not take it, the executive order stands. Hope you survive the
apoplexy.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On 10/31/18 1:53 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 06:43:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if
he does ever read it, he won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.

Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?

You consistently miss the forest to bite on a tree.

Maybe not Clinton personally (I never heard him say either way) but
there was a lot of discussion about the same question we are having
today. What does "under the jurisdiction" really mean?
If we did not have such a feckless legislature they would have written
a decent immigration bill sometime in the last 80 years but they
haven't.
Unfortunately in their absence it will come down to what 5 people in
the SCOTUS decide.



I'd be surprised if the lower federal courts or the Supremes even took
up the case. The first sentence of the article is perfectly clear.


Yes, very clear. And the illegals are they under the jurisdiction? The
courts do not take it, the executive order stands. Hope you survive the
apoplexy.


Oh, if Pig Vomit promulgates it, an immediate suit will be filed
against it, the court will rule against Pig Vomit, and the higher
courts will let the ruling stand.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On 10/31/2018 1:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 1:53 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 06:43:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, theÂ* one that
says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United
States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution
and if
heÂ* does ever read it, heÂ* won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the
jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when Clinton
was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.

Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?

You consistently miss the forest toÂ* bite on a tree.

Maybe not Clinton personally (I never heard him say either way) but
there was a lot of discussion about the same question we are having
today. What does "under the jurisdiction" really mean?
If we did not have such a feckless legislature they would have written
a decent immigration bill sometime in the last 80 years but they
haven't.
Unfortunately in their absence it will come down to what 5 people in
the SCOTUS decide.



I'd be surprised if the lower federal courts or the Supremes even took
up the case. The first sentence of the article is perfectly clear.


Yes, very clear.Â*Â* And the illegals are they under the jurisdiction?Â* The
courts do not take it, the executive order stands.Â* Hope you survive the
apoplexy.


Oh, if Pig Vomit promulgates it, anÂ* immediateÂ* suitÂ* will be filed
againstÂ* it, theÂ* courtÂ* will rule against Pig Vomit,Â* andÂ* the higher
courtsÂ* will let theÂ* ruling stand.


This whole matter has never been tested in a court including the SCOTUS.
New territory. Step one in getting the 14th clarified
is to do exactly what Trump is threatening to do since congress members
just sit on their hands trying to look pretty without taking a position
that may cost them a vote.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On 10/31/18 2:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2018 1:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 1:53 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 06:43:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, theÂ* one that
says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United
States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the
Constitution and if
heÂ* does ever read it, heÂ* won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the
jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when
Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.

Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?

You consistently miss the forest toÂ* bite on a tree.

Maybe not Clinton personally (I never heard him say either way) but
there was a lot of discussion about the same question we are having
today. What does "under the jurisdiction" really mean?
If we did not have such a feckless legislature they would have written
a decent immigration bill sometime in the last 80 years but they
haven't.
Unfortunately in their absence it will come down to what 5 people in
the SCOTUS decide.



I'd be surprised if the lower federal courts or the Supremes even took
up the case. The first sentence of the article is perfectly clear.


Yes, very clear.Â*Â* And the illegals are they under the jurisdiction?
The
courts do not take it, the executive order stands.Â* Hope you survive the
apoplexy.


Oh, if Pig Vomit promulgates it, anÂ* immediateÂ* suitÂ* will be filed
againstÂ* it, theÂ* courtÂ* will rule against Pig Vomit,Â* andÂ* the higher
courtsÂ* will let theÂ* ruling stand.


This whole matter has never been tested in a court including the SCOTUS.
Â*New territory.Â* Step one in getting the 14th clarified
is to do exactly what Trump is threatening to do since congress members
just sit on their hands trying to look pretty without taking a position
that may cost them a vote.





The 14th's first sentence says it all. It is perfectly clear. Trump's
interest is in revving up the right-wing, racist stupidos in his base
for the election. What is it about this plain English sentence you do
not understand:

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the
United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On 10/31/2018 2:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 2:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2018 1:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 1:53 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 06:43:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, theÂ* one that
says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United
States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the
Constitution and if
heÂ* does ever read it, heÂ* won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the
jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when
Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.

Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?

You consistently miss the forest toÂ* bite on a tree.

Maybe not Clinton personally (I never heard him say either way) but
there was a lot of discussion about the same question we are having
today. What does "under the jurisdiction" really mean?
If we did not have such a feckless legislature they would have
written
a decent immigration bill sometime in the last 80 years but they
haven't.
Unfortunately in their absence it will come down to what 5 people in
the SCOTUS decide.



I'd be surprised if the lower federal courts or the Supremes even took
up the case. The first sentence of the article is perfectly clear.


Yes, very clear.Â*Â* And the illegals are they under the jurisdiction?
The
courts do not take it, the executive order stands.Â* Hope you survive
the
apoplexy.


Oh, if Pig Vomit promulgates it, anÂ* immediateÂ* suitÂ* will be filed
againstÂ* it, theÂ* courtÂ* will rule against Pig Vomit,Â* andÂ* the
higher courtsÂ* will let theÂ* ruling stand.


This whole matter has never been tested in a court including the
SCOTUS. Â*Â*New territory.Â* Step one in getting the 14th clarified
is to do exactly what Trump is threatening to do since congress
members just sit on their hands trying to look pretty without taking a
position
that may cost them a vote.





The 14th's first sentence says it all. It is perfectly clear. Trump's
interest is in revving up the right-wing, racist stupidos in his base
for the election. What is it about this plain English sentence you do
not understand:

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the
United States and of the State wherein they reside."




The first sentence may say it all to you and many others but it doesn't
mean it says it all to everyone. It was enacted primarily to afford
citizenship to freed slaves. Legal scholars far more qualified than
you or I continue to debate if it is intended to apply to anyone born
here, especially of non-citizen parents and what, exactly, is meant by
"subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

You may have your sea-lawyer opinion and I might have a sea-lawyer
opinion that is not consistent with yours. Only a court challenge that
leads to a SCOTUS decision will clear it up.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On 10/31/18 2:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2018 2:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 2:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2018 1:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 1:53 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 06:43:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, theÂ* one
that says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the
United States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the
Constitution and if
heÂ* does ever read it, heÂ* won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the
jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when
Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.

Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?

You consistently miss the forest toÂ* bite on a tree.

Maybe not Clinton personally (I never heard him say either way) but
there was a lot of discussion about the same question we are having
today. What does "under the jurisdiction" really mean?
If we did not have such a feckless legislature they would have
written
a decent immigration bill sometime in the last 80 years but they
haven't.
Unfortunately in their absence it will come down to what 5 people in
the SCOTUS decide.



I'd be surprised if the lower federal courts or the Supremes even
took
up the case. The first sentence of the article is perfectly clear.


Yes, very clear.Â*Â* And the illegals are they under the
jurisdiction? The
courts do not take it, the executive order stands.Â* Hope you
survive the
apoplexy.


Oh, if Pig Vomit promulgates it, anÂ* immediateÂ* suitÂ* will be filed
againstÂ* it, theÂ* courtÂ* will rule against Pig Vomit,Â* andÂ* the
higher courtsÂ* will let theÂ* ruling stand.


This whole matter has never been tested in a court including the
SCOTUS. Â*Â*New territory.Â* Step one in getting the 14th clarified
is to do exactly what Trump is threatening to do since congress
members just sit on their hands trying to look pretty without taking
a position
that may cost them a vote.





The 14th's first sentence says it all. It is perfectly clear. Trump's
interest is in revving up the right-wing, racist stupidos in his base
for the election. What is it about this plain English sentence you do
not understand:

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the
United States and of the State wherein they reside."




The first sentence may say it all to you and many others but it doesn't
mean it says it all to everyone.Â*Â* It was enacted primarily to afford
citizenship to freed slaves. Legal scholars far more qualified than
you or I continue to debate if it is intended to apply to anyone born
here, especially of non-citizen parents and what, exactly, is meant by
"subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

You may have your sea-lawyer opinion and I might have a sea-lawyer
opinion that is not consistent with yours.Â*Â* Only a court challenge that
leads to a SCOTUS decision will clear it up.



I know the history of the 14th Amendment. It says what it means and
means what is says. After the election, Trump's "proposal" to EC its
end will end up where it belongs...on the trash pile.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 1:53 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 06:43:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if
he does ever read it, he won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.

Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?

You consistently miss the forest to bite on a tree.

Maybe not Clinton personally (I never heard him say either way) but
there was a lot of discussion about the same question we are having
today. What does "under the jurisdiction" really mean?
If we did not have such a feckless legislature they would have written
a decent immigration bill sometime in the last 80 years but they
haven't.
Unfortunately in their absence it will come down to what 5 people in
the SCOTUS decide.



I'd be surprised if the lower federal courts or the Supremes even took
up the case. The first sentence of the article is perfectly clear.


Yes, very clear. And the illegals are they under the jurisdiction? The
courts do not take it, the executive order stands. Hope you survive the
apoplexy.


Oh, if Pig Vomit promulgates it, an immediate suit will be filed
against it, the court will rule against Pig Vomit, and the higher
courts will let the ruling stand.


So you are now a constitutional scholar?

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 13:57:58 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/31/18 1:53 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 06:43:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if
he does ever read it, he won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.

Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?

You consistently miss the forest to bite on a tree.

Maybe not Clinton personally (I never heard him say either way) but
there was a lot of discussion about the same question we are having
today. What does "under the jurisdiction" really mean?
If we did not have such a feckless legislature they would have written
a decent immigration bill sometime in the last 80 years but they
haven't.
Unfortunately in their absence it will come down to what 5 people in
the SCOTUS decide.



I'd be surprised if the lower federal courts or the Supremes even took
up the case. The first sentence of the article is perfectly clear.


Yes, very clear. And the illegals are they under the jurisdiction? The
courts do not take it, the executive order stands. Hope you survive the
apoplexy.


Oh, if Pig Vomit promulgates it, an immediate suit will be filed
against it, the court will rule against Pig Vomit, and the higher
courts will let the ruling stand.

I agree the EO is going to get slapped down. What they are trying to
sell is, elect a GOP congress next time and we can do this with
legislation. That case is harder to win for the fans of anchor babies.
Not that I think congress is capable of any substantial immigration
legislation and that is what brings us to where we are today.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 2:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2018 1:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 1:53 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 06:43:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one
that says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the
United States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the
Constitution and if
he does ever read it, he won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the
jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when
Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.

Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?

You consistently miss the forest to bite on a tree.

Maybe not Clinton personally (I never heard him say either way) but
there was a lot of discussion about the same question we are having
today. What does "under the jurisdiction" really mean?
If we did not have such a feckless legislature they would have
written
a decent immigration bill sometime in the last 80 years but they
haven't.
Unfortunately in their absence it will come down to what 5 people in
the SCOTUS decide.



I'd be surprised if the lower federal courts or the Supremes even
took
up the case. The first sentence of the article is perfectly clear.


Yes, very clear. And the illegals are they under the
jurisdiction? The
courts do not take it, the executive order stands. Hope you
survive the
apoplexy.


Oh, if Pig Vomit promulgates it, an immediate suit will be filed
against it, the court will rule against Pig Vomit, and the
higher courts will let the ruling stand.


This whole matter has never been tested in a court including the
SCOTUS. New territory. Step one in getting the 14th clarified
is to do exactly what Trump is threatening to do since congress
members just sit on their hands trying to look pretty without taking
a position
that may cost them a vote.





The 14th's first sentence says it all. It is perfectly clear. Trump's
interest is in revving up the right-wing, racist stupidos in his base
for the election. What is it about this plain English sentence you do
not understand:

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the
United States and of the State wherein they reside."



YES, BUT THEIR PARENTS ARE NOT? Could you read that, Fat Harry?

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 14:26:29 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/31/18 2:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2018 1:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 1:53 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 06:43:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, theÂ* one that
says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United
States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the
Constitution and if
heÂ* does ever read it, heÂ* won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the
jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when
Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.

Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?

You consistently miss the forest toÂ* bite on a tree.

Maybe not Clinton personally (I never heard him say either way) but
there was a lot of discussion about the same question we are having
today. What does "under the jurisdiction" really mean?
If we did not have such a feckless legislature they would have written
a decent immigration bill sometime in the last 80 years but they
haven't.
Unfortunately in their absence it will come down to what 5 people in
the SCOTUS decide.



I'd be surprised if the lower federal courts or the Supremes even took
up the case. The first sentence of the article is perfectly clear.


Yes, very clear.Â*Â* And the illegals are they under the jurisdiction?
The
courts do not take it, the executive order stands.Â* Hope you survive the
apoplexy.


Oh, if Pig Vomit promulgates it, anÂ* immediateÂ* suitÂ* will be filed
againstÂ* it, theÂ* courtÂ* will rule against Pig Vomit,Â* andÂ* the higher
courtsÂ* will let theÂ* ruling stand.


This whole matter has never been tested in a court including the SCOTUS.
Â*New territory.Â* Step one in getting the 14th clarified
is to do exactly what Trump is threatening to do since congress members
just sit on their hands trying to look pretty without taking a position
that may cost them a vote.





The 14th's first sentence says it all. It is perfectly clear. Trump's
interest is in revving up the right-wing, racist stupidos in his base
for the election. What is it about this plain English sentence you do
not understand:

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the
United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Section 8(4) also gives congress the power to legislate all matters
referring to naturalization so there is a conflict.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 14:58:56 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The big difference, of course, is that Ovbamna was trying to help the
immigrants, while Trump is trying to **** them over.

I am really surprised you are so anxious to bring all of these
immigrants in because I know them and they are certainly a threat to
those fat, lazy union workers you hold so dear. I Latino crew will out
work your anglos all day long, work for less and be ready to work a
job without 4 or 5 years of carrying a journeyman's tools and fetching
his coffee.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 19:58:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 1:53 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 06:43:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that says:

"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside."

You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if
he does ever read it, he won't understand it.

Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.

Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?

You consistently miss the forest to bite on a tree.

Maybe not Clinton personally (I never heard him say either way) but
there was a lot of discussion about the same question we are having
today. What does "under the jurisdiction" really mean?
If we did not have such a feckless legislature they would have written
a decent immigration bill sometime in the last 80 years but they
haven't.
Unfortunately in their absence it will come down to what 5 people in
the SCOTUS decide.



I'd be surprised if the lower federal courts or the Supremes even took
up the case. The first sentence of the article is perfectly clear.


Yes, very clear. And the illegals are they under the jurisdiction? The
courts do not take it, the executive order stands. Hope you survive the
apoplexy.


Oh, if Pig Vomit promulgates it, an immediate suit will be filed
against it, the court will rule against Pig Vomit, and the higher
courts will let the ruling stand.


So you are now a constitutional scholar?

Harry has exactly the same legal credentials I have except I doubt he
has actually studied SCOTUS decisions as much as I have.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that says:"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if he does ever read it, he won't understand it.

It's hard to believe someone who speaks like you do, ever went to
college?
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Abrogate the 14th?
 

justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that
says:"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the
United States and of the State wherein they reside."You just know that
Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if he does ever read
it, he won't understand it.

It's hard to believe someone who speaks like you do, ever went to
college?

I guess that is what you get in a remote Midwest college.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On 10/31/18 8:04 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 14:58:56 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The big difference, of course, is that Ovbamna was trying to help the
immigrants, while Trump is trying to **** them over.

I am really surprised you are so anxious to bring all of these
immigrants in because I know them and they are certainly a threat to
those fat, lazy union workers you hold so dear. I Latino crew will out
work your anglos all day long, work for less and be ready to work a
job without 4 or 5 years of carrying a journeyman's tools and fetching
his coffee.


Just because you never had the skills to hold down a union construction
job in the skilled trades in complex commercial construction is no
reason to knock those who do. Your disdain for formal training in
just about every field is laughable. If you never need surgery, I
suggest you find a corpsman instead of a surgeon.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On 11/1/2018 6:48 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 8:04 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 14:58:56 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The big difference, of course, is that Ovbamna was trying to help the
immigrants, whileÂ* Trump is trying to ****Â* them over.

I am really surprised you are so anxious to bring all of these
immigrants in because I know them and they are certainly a threat to
those fat, lazy union workers you hold so dear. I Latino crew will out
work your anglos all day long, work for less and be ready to work a
job without 4 or 5 years of carrying a journeyman's tools and fetching
his coffee.


Just because you neverÂ* had the skills to hold down a union construction
job in the skilled trades in complexÂ* commercial constructionÂ* is no
reason to knock those who do. YourÂ* disdain for formal trainingÂ* in
justÂ* aboutÂ* every fieldÂ* is laughable. If you never need surgery, I
suggest you find aÂ* corpsman insteadÂ* of a surgeon.



Hmmmmm.... now-a-days that could be a tough choice for me .....

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On 10/31/18 11:29 PM, Bill wrote:
justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that
says:"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the
United States and of the State wherein they reside."You just know that
Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if he does ever read
it, he won't understand it.

It's hard to believe someone who speaks like you do, ever went to
college?

I guess that is what you get in a remote Midwest college.


It is humorous to see two of rec.boats' right-wingers with the worst
skills in reading comprehension, spelling, and grammar comment
negatively on the abilities of others in those same areas.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On 11/1/2018 7:37 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 11:29 PM, Bill wrote:
justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, theÂ* one that
says:"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the
United States and of the State wherein they reside."You just know that
Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if heÂ* does ever
read
it, heÂ* won't understand it.

It's hard to believe someone who speaks like you do, ever went to
Â* college?

I guess that is what you get in a remote Midwest college.


It is humorous to see two of rec.boats' right-wingers with the worst
skills in reading comprehension, spelling, and grammar comment
negatively on the abilities of others in those same areas.


Yet both have led successful lives and careers without benefit of
a post grad degree in English.

Makes you wonder how much value your education really benefited you, eh?

Abrogate the 14th?
 

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/31/18 8:04 PM, wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 14:58:56 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: The big difference, of course, is that Ovbamna was trying to help the immigrants, while Trump is trying to **** them over. I am really surprised you are so anxious to bring all of these immigrants in because I know them and they are certainly a threat to those fat, lazy union workers you hold so dear. I Latino crew will out work your anglos all day long, work for less and be ready to work a job without 4 or 5 years of carrying a journeyman's tools and fetching his coffee. Just because you never had the skills to hold down a union construction job in the skilled trades in complex commercial construction is no reason to knock those who do. Your disdain for formal training in just about every field is laughable. If you never need surgery, I suggest you find a corpsman instead of a surgeon.

Either your auto spell checker is screwing up or your brain is
miswired. I suspect the latter.
There you go again with your "skills to hold a union job"
diatribe. Whatt exactly are those skills, fat man?

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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/31/18 11:29 PM, Bill wrote: justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that says:"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if he does ever read it, he won't understand it. It's hard to believe someone who speaks like you do, ever went to college? I guess that is what you get in a remote Midwest college. It is humorous to see two of rec.boats' right-wingers with the worst skills in reading comprehension, spelling, and grammar comment negatively on the abilities of others in those same areas.

I suspect, by "others", you mean poor little Fat Harry. Read your
above statement and see why we think you are an uneducated
lemming.
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/31/18 8:04 PM, wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 14:58:56 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: The big difference, of course, is that Ovbamna was trying to help the immigrants, while Trump is trying to **** them over. I am really surprised you are so anxious to bring all of these immigrants in because I know them and they are certainly a threat to those fat, lazy union workers you hold so dear. I Latino crew will out work your anglos all day long, work for less and be ready to work a job without 4 or 5 years of carrying a journeyman's tools and fetching his coffee. Just because you never had the skills to hold down a union construction job in the skilled trades in complex commercial construction is no reason to knock those who do. Your disdain for formal training in just about every field is laughable. If you never need surgery, I suggest you find a corpsman instead of a surgeon.

Here is an example of YOUR newsreader screwing up.
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Abrogate the 14th?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 8:04 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 14:58:56 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The big difference, of course, is that Ovbamna was trying to help the
immigrants, while Trump is trying to **** them over.

I am really surprised you are so anxious to bring all of these
immigrants in because I know them and they are certainly a threat to
those fat, lazy union workers you hold so dear. I Latino crew will out
work your anglos all day long, work for less and be ready to work a
job without 4 or 5 years of carrying a journeyman's tools and fetching
his coffee.


Just because you never had the skills to hold down a union construction
job in the skilled trades in complex commercial construction is no
reason to knock those who do. Your disdain for formal training in
just about every field is laughable. If you never need surgery, I
suggest you find a corpsman instead of a surgeon.


What real skills that are not readily available.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 11:29 PM, Bill wrote:
justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that
says:"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the
United States and of the State wherein they reside."You just know that
Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if he does ever read
it, he won't understand it.

It's hard to believe someone who speaks like you do, ever went to
college?

I guess that is what you get in a remote Midwest college.


It is humorous to see two of rec.boats' right-wingers with the worst
skills in reading comprehension, spelling, and grammar comment
negatively on the abilities of others in those same areas.


I see little of those skills used by you. What is not a cut and paste,
looks like what a 5th grader wrote.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/31/18 8:04 PM, wrote:

I am really surprised you are so anxious to bring all of these
immigrants in because I know them and they are certainly a threat to
those fat, lazy union workers you hold so dear. I Latino crew will out
work your anglos all day long, work for less and be ready to work a
job without 4 or 5 years of carrying a journeyman's tools and fetching
his coffee.



Just because you never had the skills to hold down a union construction
job in the skilled trades in complex commercial construction is no
reason to knock those who do. Your disdain for formal training in
just about every field is laughable. If you never need surgery, I
suggest you find a corpsman instead of a surgeon.

You crack me up. I am sure the architects and engineers that design
these commercial buildings are thinking, "Let's see. I can make this
more complex because union tradesmen will be building it".

Buildings are designed to be built using proven technology
and materials that *any* qualified construction worker can do.

Your claims are nonsense.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 06:48:50 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/31/18 8:04 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 14:58:56 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The big difference, of course, is that Ovbamna was trying to help the
immigrants, while Trump is trying to **** them over.

I am really surprised you are so anxious to bring all of these
immigrants in because I know them and they are certainly a threat to
those fat, lazy union workers you hold so dear. I Latino crew will out
work your anglos all day long, work for less and be ready to work a
job without 4 or 5 years of carrying a journeyman's tools and fetching
his coffee.


Just because you never had the skills to hold down a union construction
job in the skilled trades in complex commercial construction is no
reason to knock those who do. Your disdain for formal training in
just about every field is laughable. If you never need surgery, I
suggest you find a corpsman instead of a surgeon.

You are simply full of ****. I would go up against a journeyman
electrician any day of the week and know a hell of a lot more than
most. I can also keep up with plumbers.
The point is they have dumbed down the skill necessary to do most
trades with newer materials and methods to the point that a fairly
recent immigrant will be working in a trade and be as effective as
anyone in months, not years.
That is particularly true in residential but they now allow Romex in
most light commercial too. The same is true of "plastic" plumbing.

Union apprenticeship programs are more about slowing down people
coming into the trade than in the training necessary to actually do
the job. We are not packing terra cotta drain pipe with oakum and
pouring the joints full of lead. They prime the pipe, put some PVC
cement on the pipe and paste it together. The pressure side is going
to be pex tubing as often as not. It takes about an hour to get
certified on the termination method. (an expanded sleeve that snaps
over the joint). Then you just roll it out, strap it and hook it up.
Electricians are not threading Rigid Metal Pipe, they are dragging
Romex around. They don't even staple it anymore, they use tywraps and
the plastic boxes have push in internal clamps.
I am sure that if you went through the IBEW apprenticeship program
some old fart would spend 4 years telling you how they used to do
things back in the day but none of it is any more relevant than
teaching a tire changer how to shoe a horse.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 07:37:35 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/31/18 11:29 PM, Bill wrote:
justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, the one that
says:"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the
United States and of the State wherein they reside."You just know that
Orange Asshole has never read the Constitution and if he does ever read
it, he won't understand it.

It's hard to believe someone who speaks like you do, ever went to
college?

I guess that is what you get in a remote Midwest college.


It is humorous to see two of rec.boats' right-wingers with the worst
skills in reading comprehension, spelling, and grammar comment
negatively on the abilities of others in those same areas.

This is from a guy who brags about having his spell checker turned off
and ends up spelling like a plumber.

Abrogate the 14th?
 

On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 12:36:00 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/31/18 8:04 PM, wrote:

I am really surprised you are so anxious to bring all of these
immigrants in because I know them and they are certainly a threat to
those fat, lazy union workers you hold so dear. I Latino crew will out
work your anglos all day long, work for less and be ready to work a
job without 4 or 5 years of carrying a journeyman's tools and fetching
his coffee.



Just because you never had the skills to hold down a union construction
job in the skilled trades in complex commercial construction is no
reason to knock those who do. Your disdain for formal training in
just about every field is laughable. If you never need surgery, I
suggest you find a corpsman instead of a surgeon.

You crack me up. I am sure the architects and engineers that design
these commercial buildings are thinking, "Let's see. I can make this
more complex because union tradesmen will be building it".

Buildings are designed to be built using proven technology
and materials that *any* qualified construction worker can do.

Your claims are nonsense.

"Teamsters Union 988 is holding the grand opening this weekend for its new union hall, which is expected to feature Teamsters President James P. Hoffa.
But it has become a sour moment for other labor leaders because the Teamsters didn't use union construction workers. They were told by the Teamsters that union contractors cost too much."

Non-union labor can build those complex commercial buildings faster and at a lower cost. :)