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Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin.
Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html |
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On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote:
Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's. They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part. Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter. He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room. There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. |
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On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. |
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Keyser Soze
- show quoted text - It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. |
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Keyser Soze
- show quoted text - It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. —— Funny, you said the same thing about GW and Dick Chaney Last I knew, they’re still walking free |
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's. They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part. Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter. He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room. There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. May the farce be with you, Fat Harry. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 10/9/2018 9:03 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. That belief is the cornerstone of your and your party's political fight to regain some control and power in Congress. Everything you say is based on that accusation. Trump certainly is different and has his issues but to declare him the "worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office" is arguable at the least and just political bull****. My judgement of him is based on what he has accomplished as POTUS. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. As has been repeated many times over in the past 3 weeks our judicial system is based on innocence until *proven" guilty. Doesn't necessarily apply to a court trial. In other words, anyone accused starts out as being innocent. Despite their best efforts the Dems could not prove Kavanaugh's guilt. Therefore, he remains innocent despite all the allegations. Trump's statement was odd but correct. It was really intended for Kavanaugh's family, especially his two young daughters, with a bit of a punch for the Democrats. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Don't know why you enjoy that sort of thing or find it funny. |
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On 10/9/18 9:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2018 9:03 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. That belief is the cornerstone of your and your party's political fight to regain some control and power in Congress.Â* Everything you say is based on that accusation.Â* Trump certainly is different and has his issues but to declare him the "worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office"Â* is arguable at the least and just political bull****.Â* My judgement of him is based on what he has accomplished as POTUS. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. As has been repeated many times over in the past 3 weeks our judicial system is based on innocence until *proven" guilty. Doesn't necessarily apply to a court trial.Â* In other words, anyone accused starts out as being innocent.Â* Despite their best efforts the Dems could not prove Kavanaugh's guilt.Â* Therefore, he remains innocent despite all the allegations. Trump's statement was odd but correct.Â* It was really intended for Kavanaugh's family, especially his two young daughters, with a bit of a punch for the Democrats. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Don't know why you enjoy that sort of thing or find it funny. It's pretty good irony...one sexual predator defending another. |
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"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 10/9/2018 9:03 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's. They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part. Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter. He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room. There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. That belief is the cornerstone of your and your party's political fight to regain some control and power in Congress. Everything you say is based on that accusation. Trump certainly is different and has his issues but to declare him the "worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office" is arguable at the least and just political bull****. My judgement of him is based on what he has accomplished as POTUS. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. As has been repeated many times over in the past 3 weeks our judicial system is based on innocence until *proven" guilty. Doesn't necessarily apply to a court trial. In other words, anyone accused starts out as being innocent. Despite their best efforts the Dems could not prove Kavanaugh's guilt. Therefore, he remains innocent despite all the allegations. Trump's statement was odd but correct. It was really intended for Kavanaugh's family, especially his two young daughters, with a bit of a punch for the Democrats. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Don't know why you enjoy that sort of thing or find it funny. Fat Harry is harboring repressed guilt over his not reporting the rape he participated in when he was eleven. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 10/9/18 9:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Â* Trump certainly is different and has his issues but to declare him the "worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office"Â* is arguable at the least and just political bull****.Â* My judgement of him is based on what he has accomplished as POTUS. Most of his accomplishments are negatives, but your rationale for judging him is no different than judging Mussolini as a great leader because he allegedly made the trains run on time. In other words, if Trump accomplishes a couple of things on your bucket list or claims credit for doing so, it doesn't matter to you if he is a liar, a sexual predator, a rabble-rouser, a racist, et cetera. |
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On 10/9/18 9:46 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 10/9/2018 9:03 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's. They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part. Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter. He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room. There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. That belief is the cornerstone of your and your party's political fight to regain some control and power in Congress. Everything you say is based on that accusation. Trump certainly is different and has his issues but to declare him the "worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office" is arguable at the least and just political bull****. My judgement of him is based on what he has accomplished as POTUS. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. As has been repeated many times over in the past 3 weeks our judicial system is based on innocence until *proven" guilty. Doesn't necessarily apply to a court trial. In other words, anyone accused starts out as being innocent. Despite their best efforts the Dems could not prove Kavanaugh's guilt. Therefore, he remains innocent despite all the allegations. Trump's statement was odd but correct. It was really intended for Kavanaugh's family, especially his two young daughters, with a bit of a punch for the Democrats. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Don't know why you enjoy that sort of thing or find it funny. Fat Harry is harboring repressed guilt over his not reporting the rape he participated in when he was eleven. Unlike you, all of my sexual experiences have been with women. I suppose one of the reasons why you joined the naveeee was because you thought the guys looked hot in their skivvies... |
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On 10/9/2018 9:58 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 9:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Â* Trump certainly is different and has his issues but to declare him the "worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office"Â* is arguable at the least and just political bull****.Â* My judgement of him is based on what he has accomplished as POTUS. Most of his accomplishments are negatives, but your rationale for judging him is no different than judging Mussolini as a great leader because he allegedly made the trains run on time. In other words, if Trump accomplishes a couple of things on your bucket list or claims credit for doing so, it doesn't matter to you if he is a liar, a sexual predator, a rabble-rouser, a racist, et cetera. I'll agree he's guilty of being a rabble-rouser. So are you. |
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On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 10:51:22 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2018 9:58 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 9:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Â* Trump certainly is different and has his issues but to declare him the "worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office"Â* is arguable at the least and just political bull****.Â* My judgement of him is based on what he has accomplished as POTUS. Most of his accomplishments are negatives, but your rationale for judging him is no different than judging Mussolini as a great leader because he allegedly made the trains run on time. In other words, if Trump accomplishes a couple of things on your bucket list or claims credit for doing so, it doesn't matter to you if he is a liar, a sexual predator, a rabble-rouser, a racist, et cetera. I'll agree he's guilty of being a rabble-rouser. So are you. They do share a lot of traits. Unfortunately for harry, being successful isn't one of them. |
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it? We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but that only demonstrates your prejudice. |
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On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:18:06 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it? We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but that only demonstrates your prejudice. What investigations? There was a lip service investigation into Kavanaugh's attempted rape and other misbehaviors, but nothing substantial. Oh, wait, you think the FBI pseudo-investigation of Kavanaugh directed by the White House and Repubs in the Senate was an investigation... Yeah, just like the House investigation into Trump's misdeeds with the Russians was an investigation. Right. Got it. Let's see... you've got a crazy lady saying something happened 35 years ago, that she had exactly one beer and it was 100% him, but can't remember anything else like how she got there or got home, where or when it was, or even who was there. And there's not a single piece of evidence to back up the story. Non. Nada. Then you have a federal judge who say's it didn't happen and about 100 people to back up his story. 7 FBI background checks. The lady's ex-boyfriend discredits much of her story. Oh, and did I mention... she's crazy. Yeah, we got it. |
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 12:18:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it? We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but that only demonstrates your prejudice. What investigations? There was a lip service investigation into Kavanaugh's attempted rape and other misbehaviors, but nothing substantial. Oh, wait, you think the FBI pseudo-investigation of Kavanaugh directed by the White House and Repubs in the Senate was an investigation... Yeah, just like the House investigation into Trump's misdeeds with the Russians was an investigation. Right. Got it. What would you have them do? They interviewed a dozen people who were supposed to be able to shed some light on this and to a person the people said they never saw anything like that take place and they never heard about it. I suppose they could try to recreate the seance where Ford dredged up this repressed memory but I am not sure it has any evidentiary value. As for the Russians, are you now saying Mueller is another Trump lackey? A week or two ago you were saying he had all of the evidence he needed to "nail" Trump. He certainly has't hinted at any so far. He has managed to do some work for the IRS and catch some tax fraud by 3d parties and they have set up some very good perjury traps to try to find cooperators. Still no smoking guns. The idea that this is anything like Watergate is ridiculous. Within days they had direct links between Watergate burglars and Nixon. They also had a slam dunk crime to lever off of. In this case Zuckerberg has more liability than anyone in the White House because he monetized the meddling. |
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On 10/9/18 12:44 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 12:18:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it? We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but that only demonstrates your prejudice. What investigations? There was a lip service investigation into Kavanaugh's attempted rape and other misbehaviors, but nothing substantial. Oh, wait, you think the FBI pseudo-investigation of Kavanaugh directed by the White House and Repubs in the Senate was an investigation... Yeah, just like the House investigation into Trump's misdeeds with the Russians was an investigation. Right. Got it. What would you have them do? They interviewed a dozen people who were supposed to be able to shed some light on this and to a person the people said they never saw anything like that take place and they never heard about it. I suppose they could try to recreate the seance where Ford dredged up this repressed memory but I am not sure it has any evidentiary value. As for the Russians, are you now saying Mueller is another Trump lackey? A week or two ago you were saying he had all of the evidence he needed to "nail" Trump. He certainly has't hinted at any so far. He has managed to do some work for the IRS and catch some tax fraud by 3d parties and they have set up some very good perjury traps to try to find cooperators. Still no smoking guns. The idea that this is anything like Watergate is ridiculous. Within days they had direct links between Watergate burglars and Nixon. They also had a slam dunk crime to lever off of. In this case Zuckerberg has more liability than anyone in the White House because he monetized the meddling. No, I said the "House" investigation was a sham. I don't know what Mueller has on Trump. Neither do you. |
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:39:58 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote: On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:18:06 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it? We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but that only demonstrates your prejudice. What investigations? There was a lip service investigation into Kavanaugh's attempted rape and other misbehaviors, but nothing substantial. Oh, wait, you think the FBI pseudo-investigation of Kavanaugh directed by the White House and Repubs in the Senate was an investigation... Yeah, just like the House investigation into Trump's misdeeds with the Russians was an investigation. Right. Got it. Let's see... you've got a crazy lady saying something happened 35 years ago, that she had exactly one beer and it was 100% him, but can't remember anything else like how she got there or got home, where or when it was, or even who was there. And there's not a single piece of evidence to back up the story. Non. Nada. Then you have a federal judge who say's it didn't happen and about 100 people to back up his story. 7 FBI background checks. The lady's ex-boyfriend discredits much of her story. Oh, and did I mention... she's crazy. Yeah, we got it. It occurred to me that why would anyone take psychological advice or education from someone who was so traumatized by such a minor incident 35 years ago that she still has PTSD about it? If sher can't work this out for herself, how could she ever be expected to understand how to work it out for anyone else? It is like taking employment advice from Pete Best. |
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Keyser Soze
- show quoted text - No, I said the "House" investigation was a sham. I don't know what Mueller has on Trump. Neither do you. .......... Does mueller have something on trump? Or is that your standard wishful thinking ? |
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On 10/9/18 12:59 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:39:58 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:18:06 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it? We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but that only demonstrates your prejudice. What investigations? There was a lip service investigation into Kavanaugh's attempted rape and other misbehaviors, but nothing substantial. Oh, wait, you think the FBI pseudo-investigation of Kavanaugh directed by the White House and Repubs in the Senate was an investigation... Yeah, just like the House investigation into Trump's misdeeds with the Russians was an investigation. Right. Got it. Let's see... you've got a crazy lady saying something happened 35 years ago, that she had exactly one beer and it was 100% him, but can't remember anything else like how she got there or got home, where or when it was, or even who was there. And there's not a single piece of evidence to back up the story. Non. Nada. Then you have a federal judge who say's it didn't happen and about 100 people to back up his story. 7 FBI background checks. The lady's ex-boyfriend discredits much of her story. Oh, and did I mention... she's crazy. Yeah, we got it. It occurred to me that why would anyone take psychological advice or education from someone who was so traumatized by such a minor incident 35 years ago that she still has PTSD about it? If sher can't work this out for herself, how could she ever be expected to understand how to work it out for anyone else? It is like taking employment advice from Pete Best. Yet another reason why your comments about mental illness/emotional disturbances and treatments for them are such nonsense. You simply don't really know anything. Attempted rape is NOT a minor incident. I don't know what the law was back then but nowadays, attempted rape can get you a life sentence. |
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's.* They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part.* Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter.* He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.* There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Nor was he found guilty. What more would you have the FBI do? Interview Ford? I'm sure her lawyer advised her to stay well away. If she made one mistake, she'd have lied to Congress or to the FBI. What would you have her do, Mr. Judge and Jury? |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 9:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 9:03 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. That belief is the cornerstone of your and your party's political fight to regain some control and power in Congress.Â* Everything you say is based on that accusation.Â* Trump certainly is different and has his issues but to declare him the "worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office"Â* is arguable at the least and just political bull****.Â* My judgement of him is based on what he has accomplished as POTUS. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. As has been repeated many times over in the past 3 weeks our judicial system is based on innocence until *proven" guilty. Doesn't necessarily apply to a court trial.Â* In other words, anyone accused starts out as being innocent.Â* Despite their best efforts the Dems could not prove Kavanaugh's guilt.Â* Therefore, he remains innocent despite all the allegations. Trump's statement was odd but correct.Â* It was really intended for Kavanaugh's family, especially his two young daughters, with a bit of a punch for the Democrats. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Don't know why you enjoy that sort of thing or find it funny. It's pretty good irony...one sexual predator defending another. Oh, was Bill Clinton defending the participants? |
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 13:02:35 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 12:59 PM, wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:39:58 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:18:06 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's.* They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part.* Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter.* He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.* There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it? We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but that only demonstrates your prejudice. What investigations? There was a lip service investigation into Kavanaugh's attempted rape and other misbehaviors, but nothing substantial. Oh, wait, you think the FBI pseudo-investigation of Kavanaugh directed by the White House and Repubs in the Senate was an investigation... Yeah, just like the House investigation into Trump's misdeeds with the Russians was an investigation. Right. Got it. Let's see... you've got a crazy lady saying something happened 35 years ago, that she had exactly one beer and it was 100% him, but can't remember anything else like how she got there or got home, where or when it was, or even who was there. And there's not a single piece of evidence to back up the story. Non. Nada. Then you have a federal judge who say's it didn't happen and about 100 people to back up his story. 7 FBI background checks. The lady's ex-boyfriend discredits much of her story. Oh, and did I mention... she's crazy. Yeah, we got it. It occurred to me that why would anyone take psychological advice or education from someone who was so traumatized by such a minor incident 35 years ago that she still has PTSD about it? If sher can't work this out for herself, how could she ever be expected to understand how to work it out for anyone else? It is like taking employment advice from Pete Best. Yet another reason why your comments about mental illness/emotional disturbances and treatments for them are such nonsense. You simply don't really know anything. Attempted rape is NOT a minor incident. I don't know what the law was back then but nowadays, attempted rape can get you a life sentence. Oh, an unsubstantiated allegation of copping a feel now becomes attempted rape. Whoa, boy. You're letting 'em carry you away. Has this become your theme song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23ywNYOde4Y |
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On 10/9/2018 12:18 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it? We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but that only demonstrates your prejudice. What investigations? There was a lip service investigation into Kavanaugh's attempted rape and other misbehaviors, but nothing substantial. Oh, wait, you think the FBI pseudo-investigation of Kavanaugh directed by the White House and Repubs in theÂ* Senate was an investigation... Yeah, just like the House investigation into Trump's misdeeds with the Russians was an investigation. Right. GotÂ* it. There isn't an investigation on earth that would be sufficient for you. |
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On 10/9/2018 1:02 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 12:59 PM, wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:39:58 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:18:06 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it? We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but that only demonstrates your prejudice. What investigations? There was a lip service investigation into Kavanaugh's attempted rape and other misbehaviors, but nothing substantial. Oh, wait, you think the FBI pseudo-investigation of Kavanaugh directed by the White House and Repubs in theÂ* Senate was an investigation... Yeah, just like the House investigation into Trump's misdeeds with the Russians was an investigation. Right. GotÂ* it. Let's see... you've got a crazy lady saying something happened 35 years ago, that she had exactly one beer and it was 100% him, but can't remember anything else like how she got there or got home, where or when it was, or even who was there.Â* And there's not a single piece of evidence to back up the story.Â* Non. Nada. Then you have a federal judge who say's it didn't happen and about 100 people to back up his story. 7 FBI background checks.Â* The lady's ex-boyfriend discredits much of her story.Â* Oh, and did I mention... she's crazy. Yeah, we got it. It occurred to me that why would anyone take psychological advice or education from someone who was so traumatized by such a minor incident 35 years ago that she still has PTSD about it? If sher can't work this out for herself, how could she ever be expected to understand how to work it out for anyone else? It is like taking employment advice from Pete Best. Yet another reason why your comments about mental illness/emotional disturbances and treatments for them are such nonsense. You simply don't really know anything. Attempted rape is NOT a minor incident. I don't know what the law was back then but nowadays, attempted rape can get you a life sentence. With all her education and credentials she could hire herself to provide consoling services .... for herself. What better person than Ford for the Dems to pull out of their dirty tactics hat to testify about long term trauma, PTSD, fear of flying, anxiety, front doors, etc.? Only problem is that despite all the preparation and coaching by her liberal, anti-Trump activist lawyer she did a terrible job. Once people get past the emotional aspect and more backup data is learned her story starts to unravel quickly. |
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On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:12:17 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening.. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Nor was he found guilty. What more would you have the FBI do? Interview Ford? I'm sure her lawyer advised her to stay well away. If she made one mistake, she'd have lied to Congress or to the FBI. What would you have her do, Mr. Judge and Jury? Yeah, she's not Hillary, who got away with both and more. |
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On 10/9/18 9:46 AM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 10/9/2018 9:03 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's. They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part. Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter. He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room. There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. That belief is the cornerstone of your and your party's political fight to regain some control and power in Congress. Everything you say is based on that accusation. Trump certainly is different and has his issues but to declare him the "worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office" is arguable at the least and just political bull****. My judgement of him is based on what he has accomplished as POTUS. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. As has been repeated many times over in the past 3 weeks our judicial system is based on innocence until *proven" guilty. Doesn't necessarily apply to a court trial. In other words, anyone accused starts out as being innocent. Despite their best efforts the Dems could not prove Kavanaugh's guilt. Therefore, he remains innocent despite all the allegations. Trump's statement was odd but correct. It was really intended for Kavanaugh's family, especially his two young daughters, with a bit of a punch for the Democrats. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Don't know why you enjoy that sort of thing or find it funny. Fat Harry is harboring repressed guilt over his not reporting the rape he participated in when he was eleven. Unlike you, all of my sexual experiences have been with women. I suppose one of the reasons why you joined the naveeee was because you thought the guys looked hot in their skivvies... Awwww. You've been shunned by a sailor, eh? -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 13:02:35 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 12:59 PM, wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:39:58 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:18:06 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's.Â* They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part.Â* Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter.Â* He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room.Â* There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it? We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but that only demonstrates your prejudice. What investigations? There was a lip service investigation into Kavanaugh's attempted rape and other misbehaviors, but nothing substantial. Oh, wait, you think the FBI pseudo-investigation of Kavanaugh directed by the White House and Repubs in the Senate was an investigation... Yeah, just like the House investigation into Trump's misdeeds with the Russians was an investigation. Right. Got it. Let's see... you've got a crazy lady saying something happened 35 years ago, that she had exactly one beer and it was 100% him, but can't remember anything else like how she got there or got home, where or when it was, or even who was there. And there's not a single piece of evidence to back up the story. Non. Nada. Then you have a federal judge who say's it didn't happen and about 100 people to back up his story. 7 FBI background checks. The lady's ex-boyfriend discredits much of her story. Oh, and did I mention... she's crazy. Yeah, we got it. It occurred to me that why would anyone take psychological advice or education from someone who was so traumatized by such a minor incident 35 years ago that she still has PTSD about it? If sher can't work this out for herself, how could she ever be expected to understand how to work it out for anyone else? It is like taking employment advice from Pete Best. Yet another reason why your comments about mental illness/emotional disturbances and treatments for them are such nonsense. You simply don't really know anything. Attempted rape is NOT a minor incident. I don't know what the law was back then but nowadays, attempted rape can get you a life sentence. It is a pretty big leap to get from adolescent groping to attempted rape. In Maryland, that is still not even a charge, according to what I read in the statute and in the opinion of the Montgomery County police. It also seemed to take her 30 years to even "remember" it. I still stand by my statement. If she is still traumatized from a grope, 35 years later, with no relief in sight, how could she possibly help a real PTSD victim like a guy who served 2 or 3 tours in Iraq defusing road side bombs and picking up the pieces of his comrades who failed at it?. |
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On 10/9/18 12:59 PM, wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:39:58 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote: On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:18:06 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 12:10 PM, wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 09:03:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/9/18 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/9/2018 7:22 AM, Tim wrote: Just depends on who you want to listen to. flip the coin. Trump is losing. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ropped-1158786 Trump is winning. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opini...nio/index.html I watched the ceremonial swearing in of Justice Kavanaugh last evening. When it concluded I continued watching Chris Matthews and his liberal "panel" (MSNBC) go apocalyptic, especially about Trump's apology to Kavanaugh and his family for having to endure what they went through and finishing with, "Sir, you were found innocent". I thought Matthews's head was going to explode along with Eugene Robinson's. They were attacking Trump with everything they had. Obviously they totally missed a critical part. Trump's comments were written by a speechwriter. He was reading them from a teleprompter displayed on two large monitors in the back of the room. There is no question that his comments were specifically intended to deliver a political punch in the nose to the Democrats who had found Kavanaugh guilty with no collaborating evidence. Well done. It's been sad to watch your devolution into a complete Trump fanboy. Anyone with a reasonable sense of decency recognizes Trump as the worst human being to ever occupy the Oval Office. Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent. There was no trial. There wasn't even a decent investigation of the charges against him. And it doesn't matter who wrote Trump's little speech because Trump delivered it, and that makes it Trump's words. If the Dems take the House, there will be serious and substantial investigations of Trump and his gang of criminal cronies, and that includes Kavanaugh. There's plenty of evidence Kavanaugh had a habit of lying to Congress recently and in the distant past, and who really knows what might turn up with a serious investigation of the sexual predator charges against him. I have to admit, though, it is funny to see a sexual predator like Trump defending another sexual predator like Kavanaugh. Too bad all of these investigations are coming up dry isn't it? We have proof Donald had consensual relations with a number of high profile women and that some were paid handsomely for it but the predator claims seem to fade away for a lack of proof, just like Kavanaugh. I understand you never heard an allegation against a republican that you did not believe and democrats can do no wrong but that only demonstrates your prejudice. What investigations? There was a lip service investigation into Kavanaugh's attempted rape and other misbehaviors, but nothing substantial. Oh, wait, you think the FBI pseudo-investigation of Kavanaugh directed by the White House and Repubs in the Senate was an investigation... Yeah, just like the House investigation into Trump's misdeeds with the Russians was an investigation. Right. Got it. Let's see... you've got a crazy lady saying something happened 35 years ago, that she had exactly one beer and it was 100% him, but can't remember anything else like how she got there or got home, where or when it was, or even who was there. And there's not a single piece of evidence to back up the story. Non. Nada. Then you have a federal judge who say's it didn't happen and about 100 people to back up his story. 7 FBI background checks. The lady's ex-boyfriend discredits much of her story. Oh, and did I mention... she's crazy. Yeah, we got it. It occurred to me that why would anyone take psychological advice or education from someone who was so traumatized by such a minor incident 35 years ago that she still has PTSD about it? If sher can't work this out for herself, how could she ever be expected to understand how to work it out for anyone else? It is like taking employment advice from Pete Best. Yet another reason why your comments about mental illness/emotional disturbances and treatments for them are such nonsense. You simply don't really know anything. Attempted rape is NOT a minor incident. I don't know what the law was back then but nowadays, attempted rape can get you a life sentence. Who said anything about attempted rape. She was thinking she might hsve been groped. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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12:18 PMJohn H - show quoted text - Oh, an unsubstantiated allegation of copping a feel now becomes attempted rape. Whoa, boy. You're letting 'em carry you away. Has this become your theme song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23ywNYOde4Y ........ Where or when was “rape” ever brought up anyhow? I’m amazed of the hyper speculation going on. |
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On 10/9/18 8:48 PM, Tim wrote:
12:18 PMJohn H - show quoted text - Oh, an unsubstantiated allegation of copping a feel now becomes attempted rape. Whoa, boy. You're letting 'em carry you away. Has this become your theme song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23ywNYOde4Y ....... Where or when was “rape” ever brought up anyhow? I’m amazed of the hyper speculation going on. Let's see. Kavanaugh and his buddy push the girl into a room, close the door and Kavanaugh jumps on top of her to pin her down, starts pulling her clothes, and holds his hand over her mouth so she can't scream. Your kinda conservative. |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 8:48 PM, Tim wrote: 12:18 PMJohn H - show quoted text - Oh, an unsubstantiated allegation of copping a feel now becomes attempted rape. Whoa, boy. You're letting 'em carry you away. Has this become your theme song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23ywNYOde4Y ....... Where or when was “rape” ever brought up anyhow? I’m amazed of the hyper speculation going on. Let's see. Kavanaugh and his buddy push the girl into a room, close the door and Kavanaugh jumps on top of her to pin her down, starts pulling her clothes, and holds his hand over her mouth so she can't scream. Your kinda conservative. He was not the governor or employer who had police backup to molest the women? |
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7:58 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Let's see. Kavanaugh and his buddy push the girl into a room, close the door and Kavanaugh jumps on top of her to pin her down, starts pulling her clothes, and holds his hand over her mouth so she can't scream. Your kinda conservative. ....... Her testimony had more holes than Swiss cheese. No way could it hold in a real court and you know it. *You’re* kinda liberal. |
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7:58 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Let's see. Kavanaugh and his buddy push the girl into a room, close the door and Kavanaugh jumps on top of her to pin her down, starts pulling her clothes, and holds his hand over her mouth so she can't scream. Your kinda conservative. ...... Her testimony had more holes than Swiss cheese. No way could it hold in a real court and you know it. *You’re* kinda liberal. In court, the investigation and witnesses wouldn’t be under the control of the White House and the old white farts who control the judiciary committee. -- Posted with my iPhone 8+. |
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 20:58:06 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/9/18 8:48 PM, Tim wrote: 12:18 PMJohn H - show quoted text - Oh, an unsubstantiated allegation of copping a feel now becomes attempted rape. Whoa, boy. You're letting 'em carry you away. Has this become your theme song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23ywNYOde4Y ....... Where or when was “rape” ever brought up anyhow? I’m amazed of the hyper speculation going on. Let's see. Kavanaugh and his buddy push the girl into a room, close the door and Kavanaugh jumps on top of her to pin her down, starts pulling her clothes, and holds his hand over her mouth so she can't scream. Your kinda conservative. If two 17 year old boys really intended to rape that girl, they would have raped her. That is still speculation tho. At this point we have not even seen any proof they were even there. There seem to be plenty of people who say Kavanaugh wasn't there and nobody even remembers her. I have no doubt she got drunk at a party somewhere and somebody groped her. How she decided it must have been Kavanaugh is still undetermined. Maybe she read Mark's book. |
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9:05 PMKeyser Söze - hide quoted text - Tim wrote: 7:58 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Let's see. Kavanaugh and his buddy push the girl into a room, close the door and Kavanaugh jumps on top of her to pin her down, starts pulling her clothes, and holds his hand over her mouth so she can't scream. Your kinda conservative. ...... Her testimony had more holes than Swiss cheese. No way could it hold in a real court and you know it. *You’re* kinda liberal. In court, the investigation and witnesses wouldn’t be under the control of the White House and the old white farts who control the judiciary committee. ........ Strange, the whitehouse and the “old white farts who control the judiciary committee” weren’t the ones calling for investigations. |
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 22:05:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
Tim wrote: 7:58 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Let's see. Kavanaugh and his buddy push the girl into a room, close the door and Kavanaugh jumps on top of her to pin her down, starts pulling her clothes, and holds his hand over her mouth so she can't scream. Your kinda conservative. ...... Her testimony had more holes than Swiss cheese. No way could it hold in a real court and you know it. *You’re* kinda liberal. In court, the investigation and witnesses wouldn’t be under the control of the White House and the old white farts who control the judiciary committee. A defense attorney would not have to treat Ford like the homecoming queen either. Imagine a guy like Trey Goudy asking her questions about her hazy memory. She would crumble under any serious testimony. That "I'm just a scared little girl" routine does not hold up long when you are over 50 years old and have her credentials. |
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On 10/9/2018 8:48 PM, Tim wrote:
12:18 PMJohn H - show quoted text - Oh, an unsubstantiated allegation of copping a feel now becomes attempted rape. Whoa, boy. You're letting 'em carry you away. Has this become your theme song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23ywNYOde4Y ....... Where or when was “rape” ever brought up anyhow? I’m amazed of the hyper speculation going on. Ford claimed it was attempted rape in her letter to Dianne Feinstein and in her Senate testimony. |
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On 10/9/2018 10:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Tim wrote: 7:58 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Let's see. Kavanaugh and his buddy push the girl into a room, close the door and Kavanaugh jumps on top of her to pin her down, starts pulling her clothes, and holds his hand over her mouth so she can't scream. Your kinda conservative. ...... Her testimony had more holes than Swiss cheese. No way could it hold in a real court and you know it. *You’re* kinda liberal. In court, the investigation and witnesses wouldn’t be under the control of the White House and the old white farts who control the judiciary committee. What a freakin joke. The "old white farts" who control the judiciary committee went out of their way to accommodate Ford's (actually her liberal activist attorneys) demands and requirements, even to the point of offering to come to California to hear her testimony because she claimed to be afraid of flying. Oh .. Ford testified that she was unaware of that offer or didn't "understand" it. |
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