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Deadbeats have no right
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Deadbeats have no right
justan wrote:
To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. Fat Harry would disagree. |
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On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote:
To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. |
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justan
To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. ....... Not being a deadbeat but I was asked to run in the village board in a tiny town I once lived. I could have but I didn’t feel it right seeing I didn’t own property there and was a renter. So I disqualified myself. |
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6:52 PMAlex justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. Fat Harry would disagree. ....... Well I can’t say one way or another but I can see and say helps trying to throw the subject onto trump, which isn’t anything unusual for him.... |
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On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 8:11:40 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes... Classic "what if, look over there" BS. Harry Krause of Huntington, MD is an at least a three time non-tax paying deadbeat. Public records show that. He lives in a house he can't even have his name on. He's trash. He has no right to have an opinion on what can happen on public property, as he doesn't pay his fair share to maintain same. Liberal garbage. |
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On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 17:45:56 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote: On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 8:11:40 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes... Classic "what if, look over there" BS. Harry Krause of Huntington, MD is an at least a three time non-tax paying deadbeat. Public records show that. He lives in a house he can't even have his name on. He's trash. He has no right to have an opinion on what can happen on public property, as he doesn't pay his fair share to maintain same. Liberal garbage. === Worse. The vast majority of liberals pay their debts and taxes. 'Airree belongs to a special breed of narcissist who think that their **** doesn't smell. |
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On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, It is going to be very hard to find any rich person who isn't squeezing that tax avoidance cow on all 4 tits. Even the tax fairness guys like Warren Buffett would not be "paying at a lower rate than his secretary" (a 1%er BTW) if he wasn't availing himself of every exemption and deduction. He could claim his $250 million in income (or whatever) as ordinary income and file a 2 page return if he is so worried about it. The Hollywood whiners may be the worst. As we found out in the James Garner dispute, they have a way of hiding pretty much all of their profits. He had back end points on the Rockford files and in spite of years in prime time and 2 decades in syndication all over the world, the studio said they never made a dime on it. At least that is what they told the IRS and Garner. |
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On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 17:20:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: justan To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. ...... Not being a deadbeat but I was asked to run in the village board in a tiny town I once lived. I could have but I didn’t feel it right seeing I didn’t own property there and was a renter. So I disqualified myself. I had a group bump me to run for the village council seat but I may not be able to stand the scrutiny. I stole some Raspberries from a garden once when I was 8. |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. And how much did the Kennedy’s pay on Joe’s money? How much did Al Gore pay on his inheritance? They hire really good attorneys and tax advisors, who know the law! |
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On 10/2/2018 8:11 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. I got a big kick over how the left media were tripping over themselves to get this story out after the NYTimes published it. The claim is that the Donald (with his siblings) advised and created tax loopholes for the parents and, in the same breath the left reported that the Donald was earning $200k a year at age 3 and was a millionaire by age 8. Bright kid, that 3 year old Donald, huh? |
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On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 17:29:31 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
6:52 PMAlex justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. Fat Harry would disagree. ...... Well I can’t say one way or another but I can see and say helps trying to throw the subject onto trump, which isn’t anything unusual for him.... So right. |
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On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! |
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On 3 Oct 2018 01:56:16 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, It is going to be very hard to find any rich person who isn't squeezing that tax avoidance cow on all 4 tits. Even the tax fairness guys like Warren Buffett would not be "paying at a lower rate than his secretary" (a 1%er BTW) if he wasn't availing himself of every exemption and deduction. He could claim his $250 million in income (or whatever) as ordinary income and file a 2 page return if he is so worried about it. The Hollywood whiners may be the worst. As we found out in the James Garner dispute, they have a way of hiding pretty much all of their profits. He had back end points on the Rockford files and in spite of years in prime time and 2 decades in syndication all over the world, the studio said they never made a dime on it. At least that is what they told the IRS and Garner. You're a funny guy, with an endless bag of excuses for Trump. Backed into that corner again, eh Krause? Wimp. |
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 07:12:21 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! Harry would say you are establishing religion. |
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On 10/3/2018 6:12 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! I wasn't sure about the context of the original post, but now I see it was a hate on Trump. Who doesn't take every legal advantage of the tax code available? I fund 2 SEPs 2 IRA's and an HSA every year, I took college tuition credits, subtract 1/2 of the SS I pay (self employed), Use a carryover tax loss, deduct my health insurance, my taxable income is low enough that I pay 0% tax on Long Term Capital gains. Part of the key here, you must spend less than you earn! You must save $6,500 for each IRA contribution, another $7,000 for each SEP (in my case) and $7,900 for the HSA. A couple years ago I knocked 63% off my Line 22 Taxable income thru these and a few other deductions/credits. I have been paying 1.5% to 4.5% of my Line 22 Taxable income. The fun times are ending though, my kid deductions are gone, I can't write of college tuition. So, I'll be paying more in the future. Now that pesky FICA/Medicare tax gets me for $10,000 or $12,000 every year, used to hate it, now that I'm close to collecting it's a nice base to put gravy on. |
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On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 16:29:53 -0500, amdx wrote:
On 10/3/2018 6:12 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! I wasn't sure about the context of the original post, but now I see it was a hate on Trump. Who doesn't take every legal advantage of the tax code available? I fund 2 SEPs 2 IRA's and an HSA every year, I took college tuition credits, subtract 1/2 of the SS I pay (self employed), Use a carryover tax loss, deduct my health insurance, my taxable income is low enough that I pay 0% tax on Long Term Capital gains. Part of the key here, you must spend less than you earn! You must save $6,500 for each IRA contribution, another $7,000 for each SEP (in my case) and $7,900 for the HSA. A couple years ago I knocked 63% off my Line 22 Taxable income thru these and a few other deductions/credits. I have been paying 1.5% to 4.5% of my Line 22 Taxable income. The fun times are ending though, my kid deductions are gone, I can't write of college tuition. So, I'll be paying more in the future. Now that pesky FICA/Medicare tax gets me for $10,000 or $12,000 every year, used to hate it, now that I'm close to collecting it's a nice base to put gravy on. Look into your state's 529 program. In Virginia, I can deduct from state income anything I put into it for the grandkid's tuition. Hey, 6% return is better than no return. It's possible to put $5000 in and send it to the school within a couple days. Very worthwhile. |
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On 10/3/18 5:29 PM, amdx wrote:
On 10/3/2018 6:12 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! Â*I wasn't sure about the context of the original post, but now I see it was a hate on Trump. Who doesn't take every legal advantage of the tax code available? The NY Times article isn't really about "legal." It's about illegal. |
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John H. wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! Ditto. $7K last year. |
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On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 18:09:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/18 5:29 PM, amdx wrote: On 10/3/2018 6:12 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! Â*I wasn't sure about the context of the original post, but now I see it was a hate on Trump. Who doesn't take every legal advantage of the tax code available? The NY Times article isn't really about "legal." It's about illegal. It may be unethical but if it was "illegal" the IRS would have been all over their ass. Rich people really do not want you to see their tax return. You notice Kerry released his return but he did not release his wife's. All he had to report was the W-2 from the senate and a few small investments. |
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On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 19:51:18 -0400, Alex wrote:
John H. wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! Ditto. $7K last year. I have taken the standard deduction for at least 20 years, probably more like 24 when I paid off the mortgage on the condo. Every time the IRS has had a problem with my return, they ended up giving me money. I didn't claim enough. |
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On 10/3/18 7:59 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 16:40:51 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 11:08:55 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 07:12:21 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! Harry would say you are establishing religion. I'll admit some goes to religion, but most goes elsewhere. The reality is religious organizations as a rule return more of their contributions to the charity they support than the normal 501(C)(3) that we hear about (Red Cross, United Way etc) Their "directors" are not making 6 figure salaries. Folks like Harry would rather promote egregious greed than admit someone was promoting God And there you go, offering up another example of one the reasons why I don't think it worthwhile to engage in "debate" with you. You have no idea what I would "rather promote." I suspect churches spend more on promoting and paying themselves, their superstitions, their staffs, and their building funds than they do on pure charitable donations. Realistically, they consider themselves their own best charitable donation. We have a surprisingly large number of what might be called "mega-churches" around here, churches with fairly new or brand new huge fortresses of buildings, with large staffs, highly paid ministers, assistants, cars, even airplanes for the ministers. It takes a lot of money to support that sort of largess. It is unclear what real charities...helping the poor, those in need of shelter, medical care, the necessities of life, as it were...these organizations support. One thing most of them do, though, is pay for "missions" to search and bring in converts. Just the other day, I drove past a fundie church whose minister and some of its acolytes who were busy setting up their anti-abortion display to attract attention during the upcoming elections. I'm not aware of what that church does to support the unwanted children who result from their efforts. And, once again, though you never seem to "get it," I don't care what churches do, so long as they keep their superstitions to themselves and don't try to force in any way their beliefs on others who believe differently or not at all. |
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On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 20:17:05 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/18 8:04 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 18:09:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/18 5:29 PM, amdx wrote: On 10/3/2018 6:12 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! Â*I wasn't sure about the context of the original post, but now I see it was a hate on Trump. Who doesn't take every legal advantage of the tax code available? The NY Times article isn't really about "legal." It's about illegal. It may be unethical but if it was "illegal" the IRS would have been all over their ass. The reports I've seen indicate otherwise, in the IRS all over the Trumps' ass. He gets audited every year if that is what you mean but I have not heard much about judgements against him. You aren't serious about saying the IRS is suddenly interested in things that happened in the 1950s, 60s and 70s (that this article describes) are you? |
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On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 20:37:15 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/18 7:59 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 16:40:51 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 11:08:55 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 07:12:21 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! Harry would say you are establishing religion. I'll admit some goes to religion, but most goes elsewhere. The reality is religious organizations as a rule return more of their contributions to the charity they support than the normal 501(C)(3) that we hear about (Red Cross, United Way etc) Their "directors" are not making 6 figure salaries. Folks like Harry would rather promote egregious greed than admit someone was promoting God And there you go, offering up another example of one the reasons why I don't think it worthwhile to engage in "debate" with you. You have no idea what I would "rather promote." I suspect churches spend more on promoting and paying themselves, their superstitions, their staffs, and their building funds than they do on pure charitable donations. Realistically, they consider themselves their own best charitable donation. We have a surprisingly large number of what might be called "mega-churches" around here, churches with fairly new or brand new huge fortresses of buildings, with large staffs, highly paid ministers, assistants, cars, even airplanes for the ministers. It takes a lot of money to support that sort of largess. It is unclear what real charities...helping the poor, those in need of shelter, medical care, the necessities of life, as it were...these organizations support. One thing most of them do, though, is pay for "missions" to search and bring in converts. Just the other day, I drove past a fundie church whose minister and some of its acolytes who were busy setting up their anti-abortion display to attract attention during the upcoming elections. I'm not aware of what that church does to support the unwanted children who result from their efforts. And, once again, though you never seem to "get it," I don't care what churches do, so long as they keep their superstitions to themselves and don't try to force in any way their beliefs on others who believe differently or not at all. Nice diversion into your atheism but you did not address my statement. I still say religious charities send more money, as a percentage of their contributions, to the needy than most 501(C)(3)s like United way. I am not talking about TV preachers here. I am talking about churches like Tim's. The reason is simple. Tim's pastor is not making $1.2 million like United Way CEO Brian A. Gallagher and most of the actual workers are volunteers. |
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On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 20:17:05 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/18 8:04 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 18:09:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/18 5:29 PM, amdx wrote: On 10/3/2018 6:12 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! Â*I wasn't sure about the context of the original post, but now I see it was a hate on Trump. Who doesn't take every legal advantage of the tax code available? The NY Times article isn't really about "legal." It's about illegal. It may be unethical but if it was "illegal" the IRS would have been all over their ass. The reports I've seen indicate otherwise, in the IRS all over the Trumps' ass. He gets audited every year if that is what you mean but I have not heard much about judgements against him. You aren't serious about saying the IRS is suddenly interested in things that happened in the 1950s, 60s and 70s (that this article describes) are you? Never said or implied that, Mr. Debater. -- Posted with my iPhone 8+. |
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On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 9:26:15 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote: On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 20:17:05 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/18 8:04 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 18:09:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/18 5:29 PM, amdx wrote: On 10/3/2018 6:12 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day.. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! Â*I wasn't sure about the context of the original post, but now I see it was a hate on Trump. Who doesn't take every legal advantage of the tax code available? The NY Times article isn't really about "legal." It's about illegal. It may be unethical but if it was "illegal" the IRS would have been all over their ass. The reports I've seen indicate otherwise, in the IRS all over the Trumps' ass. He gets audited every year if that is what you mean but I have not heard much about judgements against him. You aren't serious about saying the IRS is suddenly interested in things that happened in the 1950s, 60s and 70s (that this article describes) are you? Never said or implied that, Mr. Debater. That's why you lose every time. Mr. Dementia Debater. |
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On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 21:26:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
The reports I've seen indicate otherwise, in the IRS all over the Trumps' ass. He gets audited every year if that is what you mean but I have not heard much about judgements against him. You aren't serious about saying the IRS is suddenly interested in things that happened in the 1950s, 60s and 70s (that this article describes) are you? Never said or implied that, Mr. Debater. Well then mr professional writer what is "the IRS all over the Trumps' ass." supposed to imply? |
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/3/18 7:59 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 16:40:51 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 11:08:55 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 07:12:21 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times?s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father?s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents? real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president?s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! Harry would say you are establishing religion. I'll admit some goes to religion, but most goes elsewhere. The reality is religious organizations as a rule return more of their contributions to the charity they support than the normal 501(C)(3) that we hear about (Red Cross, United Way etc) Their "directors" are not making 6 figure salaries. Folks like Harry would rather promote egregious greed than admit someone was promoting God And there you go, offering up another example of one the reasons why I don't think it worthwhile to engage in "debate" with you. You have no idea what I would "rather promote." I suspect churches spend more on promoting and paying themselves, their superstitions, their staffs, and their building funds than they do on pure charitable donations. Realistically, they consider themselves their own best charitable donation. We have a surprisingly large number of what might be called "mega-churches" around here, churches with fairly new or brand new huge fortresses of buildings, with large staffs, highly paid ministers, assistants, cars, even airplanes for the ministers. It takes a lot of money to support that sort of largess. It is unclear what real charities...helping the poor, those in need of shelter, medical care, the necessities of life, as it were...these organizations support. One thing most of them do, though, is pay for "missions" to search and bring in converts. Just the other day, I drove past a fundie church whose minister and some of its acolytes who were busy setting up their anti-abortion display to attract attention during the upcoming elections. I'm not aware of what that church does to support the unwanted children who result from their efforts. And, once again, though you never seem to "get it," I don't care what churches do, so long as they keep their superstitions to themselves and don't try to force in any way their beliefs on others who believe differently or not at all. Now we get to the crux of rhe matter. Fat Harry is envious of anyone who has done good and done well while he remains a low life schmuck. It's as simple as that. The mysterious Fat Harry is unmasked. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 10:51:16 PM UTC-4, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message: And, once again, though you never seem to "get it," I don't care what churches do, so long as they keep their superstitions to themselves and don't try to force in any way their beliefs on others who believe differently or not at all. Now we get to the crux of the matter. Fat Harry is envious of anyone who has done good and done well while he remains a low life schmuck. It's as simple as that. The mysterious Fat Harry is unmasked. Heh. heh. heh. He's really ****ed that his wife didn't invite him on the midwest excursion she's on. The old boy would be a bit of a "cock block". He's left in the basement. Maybe that's the agreement they have, eh? :) |
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On 10/4/18 5:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/3/2018 10:29 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 21:26:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: The reports I've seen indicate otherwise, in the IRS all over the Trumps' ass. He gets audited every year if that is what you mean but I have not heard much about judgements against him. You aren't serious about saying the IRS is suddenly interested in things that happened in the 1950s, 60s and 70sÂ* (that this article describes) are you? Never said or implied that, Mr. Debater. Well then mr professional writer what is "the IRS all over the Trumps' ass." supposed to imply? The IRS isn't all over Trump's ass about his tax returns.Â* The Dems are. It's their next hit attack.Â* Based on reports on MSNBC if the Dems gain control of the House in November they plan to demand the release of Trump's tax returns, all based on the article published in the NYTimes. 1. The comment about Trump and the IRS was ironic...I suppose the irony was lost on you, as usual. 2. The Dems have been calling for the release of Trump's tax returns for a few years, and that call is not the result of the latest NYT article. If the Dems do force the release of Trump's tax returns, what's the downside? Just about every POTUS candidate and POTUS has released returns for decades, but not Trump. It isn't because he is being audited, it is because he doesn't want voters to have the skinny on his finances, including the percentage of income Trump has actually paid in taxes. |
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On 10/3/18 9:24 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 20:37:15 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/18 7:59 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 16:40:51 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 11:08:55 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 07:12:21 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! Harry would say you are establishing religion. I'll admit some goes to religion, but most goes elsewhere. The reality is religious organizations as a rule return more of their contributions to the charity they support than the normal 501(C)(3) that we hear about (Red Cross, United Way etc) Their "directors" are not making 6 figure salaries. Folks like Harry would rather promote egregious greed than admit someone was promoting God And there you go, offering up another example of one the reasons why I don't think it worthwhile to engage in "debate" with you. You have no idea what I would "rather promote." I suspect churches spend more on promoting and paying themselves, their superstitions, their staffs, and their building funds than they do on pure charitable donations. Realistically, they consider themselves their own best charitable donation. We have a surprisingly large number of what might be called "mega-churches" around here, churches with fairly new or brand new huge fortresses of buildings, with large staffs, highly paid ministers, assistants, cars, even airplanes for the ministers. It takes a lot of money to support that sort of largess. It is unclear what real charities...helping the poor, those in need of shelter, medical care, the necessities of life, as it were...these organizations support. One thing most of them do, though, is pay for "missions" to search and bring in converts. Just the other day, I drove past a fundie church whose minister and some of its acolytes who were busy setting up their anti-abortion display to attract attention during the upcoming elections. I'm not aware of what that church does to support the unwanted children who result from their efforts. And, once again, though you never seem to "get it," I don't care what churches do, so long as they keep their superstitions to themselves and don't try to force in any way their beliefs on others who believe differently or not at all. Nice diversion into your atheism And once again, you are confused by your lack of serious, formal education. I am highly skeptical about the existence of a superior being that goes beyond the imagination and superstition of humans. That makes me agnostic, not an atheist.* I am, however, anti-religious. Religion is based entirely upon superstition and passed-along folk tales. And, once again, though you refuse to believe it...I don't care what religions do in their churches with their crop of believers. I only care when they attempt to push those beliefs onto society, onto those who believe differently, and on those who don't believe at all. * I don't have any problems with atheism. It certainly is more logical than religious beliefs. |
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/4/18 5:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/3/2018 10:29 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 21:26:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: The reports I've seen indicate otherwise, in the IRS all over the Trumps' ass. He gets audited every year if that is what you mean but I have not heard much about judgements against him. You aren't serious about saying the IRS is suddenly interested in things that happened in the 1950s, 60s and 70s (that this article describes) are you? Never said or implied that, Mr. Debater. Well then mr professional writer what is "the IRS all over the Trumps' ass." supposed to imply? The IRS isn't all over Trump's ass about his tax returns. The Dems are. It's their next hit attack. Based on reports on MSNBC if the Dems gain control of the House in November they plan to demand the release of Trump's tax returns, all based on the article published in the NYTimes. 1. The comment about Trump and the IRS was ironic...I suppose the irony was lost on you, as usual. 2. The Dems have been calling for the release of Trump's tax returns for a few years, and that call is not the result of the latest NYT article. If the Dems do force the release of Trump's tax returns, what's the downside? Just about every POTUS candidate and POTUS has released returns for decades, but not Trump. It isn't because he is being audited, it is because he doesn't want voters to have the skinny on his finances, including the percentage of income Trump has actually paid in taxes. Let's have the "skinny" on your finances. How well to do are you? We know exactly how Karen is doing but your life of lies is still a mystery except for what we see in public record. The details of which have never even been acknowleged by you. What are you trying to hide from us Fat Harry? -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 10/4/18 8:21 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 10/4/18 5:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/3/2018 10:29 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 21:26:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: The reports I've seen indicate otherwise, in the IRS all over the Trumps' ass. He gets audited every year if that is what you mean but I have not heard much about judgements against him. You aren't serious about saying the IRS is suddenly interested in things that happened in the 1950s, 60s and 70s (that this article describes) are you? Never said or implied that, Mr. Debater. Well then mr professional writer what is "the IRS all over the Trumps' ass." supposed to imply? The IRS isn't all over Trump's ass about his tax returns. The Dems are. It's their next hit attack. Based on reports on MSNBC if the Dems gain control of the House in November they plan to demand the release of Trump's tax returns, all based on the article published in the NYTimes. 1. The comment about Trump and the IRS was ironic...I suppose the irony was lost on you, as usual. 2. The Dems have been calling for the release of Trump's tax returns for a few years, and that call is not the result of the latest NYT article. If the Dems do force the release of Trump's tax returns, what's the downside? Just about every POTUS candidate and POTUS has released returns for decades, but not Trump. It isn't because he is being audited, it is because he doesn't want voters to have the skinny on his finances, including the percentage of income Trump has actually paid in taxes. Let's have the "skinny" on your finances. How well to do are you? We know exactly how Karen is doing but your life of lies is still a mystery except for what we see in public record. The details of which have never even been acknowleged by you. What are you trying to hide from us Fat Harry? My daddy "loaned" me a million dollars when I was young and through family tax schemes, many of which were illegal, I got the equivalent of hundreds of millions of dollars more from my daddy's real estate success. |
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/3/18 9:24 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 20:37:15 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/18 7:59 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 16:40:51 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 11:08:55 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 07:12:21 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times?s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father?s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents? real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president?s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! Harry would say you are establishing religion. I'll admit some goes to religion, but most goes elsewhere. The reality is religious organizations as a rule return more of their contributions to the charity they support than the normal 501(C)(3) that we hear about (Red Cross, United Way etc) Their "directors" are not making 6 figure salaries. Folks like Harry would rather promote egregious greed than admit someone was promoting God And there you go, offering up another example of one the reasons why I don't think it worthwhile to engage in "debate" with you. You have no idea what I would "rather promote." I suspect churches spend more on promoting and paying themselves, their superstitions, their staffs, and their building funds than they do on pure charitable donations. Realistically, they consider themselves their own best charitable donation. We have a surprisingly large number of what might be called "mega-churches" around here, churches with fairly new or brand new huge fortresses of buildings, with large staffs, highly paid ministers, assistants, cars, even airplanes for the ministers. It takes a lot of money to support that sort of largess. It is unclear what real charities...helping the poor, those in need of shelter, medical care, the necessities of life, as it were...these organizations support. One thing most of them do, though, is pay for "missions" to search and bring in converts. Just the other day, I drove past a fundie church whose minister and some of its acolytes who were busy setting up their anti-abortion display to attract attention during the upcoming elections. I'm not aware of what that church does to support the unwanted children who result from their efforts. And, once again, though you never seem to "get it," I don't care what churches do, so long as they keep their superstitions to themselves and don't try to force in any way their beliefs on others who believe differently or not at all. Nice diversion into your atheism And once again, you are confused by your lack of serious, formal education. I am highly skeptical about the existence of a superior being that goes beyond the imagination and superstition of humans. That makes me agnostic, not an atheist.* I am, however, anti-religious. Religion is based entirely upon superstition and passed-along folk tales. And, once again, though you refuse to believe it...I don't care what religions do in their churches with their crop of believers. I only care when they attempt to push those beliefs onto society, onto those who believe differently, and on those who don't believe at all. * I don't have any problems with atheism. It certainly is more logical than religious beliefs. What's it going to take to make a believer out of you, shmuck? We know that your mind is maleable. Example: That klown kollege and unions have totally disrupted your logical thought process. They turned you into a radical liberal with no common sense or ability to take care of yourself. Thank GOD for Karen, eh Fat Harry? -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
Deadbeats have no right
On 10/4/18 8:31 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 10/3/18 9:24 PM, wrote: On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 20:37:15 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/3/18 7:59 PM, wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 16:40:51 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 11:08:55 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 07:12:21 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 20:11:38 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/2/18 6:34 PM, justan wrote: To determine what happens or doesn't happen on public property. President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found. Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help. But The Times?s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father?s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents? real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings. These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president?s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show. Shame on them for following the law. Gosh, I circumvent paying taxes by contributing to charity. Shame on me for taking the deduction! Harry would say you are establishing religion. I'll admit some goes to religion, but most goes elsewhere. The reality is religious organizations as a rule return more of their contributions to the charity they support than the normal 501(C)(3) that we hear about (Red Cross, United Way etc) Their "directors" are not making 6 figure salaries. Folks like Harry would rather promote egregious greed than admit someone was promoting God And there you go, offering up another example of one the reasons why I don't think it worthwhile to engage in "debate" with you. You have no idea what I would "rather promote." I suspect churches spend more on promoting and paying themselves, their superstitions, their staffs, and their building funds than they do on pure charitable donations. Realistically, they consider themselves their own best charitable donation. We have a surprisingly large number of what might be called "mega-churches" around here, churches with fairly new or brand new huge fortresses of buildings, with large staffs, highly paid ministers, assistants, cars, even airplanes for the ministers. It takes a lot of money to support that sort of largess. It is unclear what real charities...helping the poor, those in need of shelter, medical care, the necessities of life, as it were...these organizations support. One thing most of them do, though, is pay for "missions" to search and bring in converts. Just the other day, I drove past a fundie church whose minister and some of its acolytes who were busy setting up their anti-abortion display to attract attention during the upcoming elections. I'm not aware of what that church does to support the unwanted children who result from their efforts. And, once again, though you never seem to "get it," I don't care what churches do, so long as they keep their superstitions to themselves and don't try to force in any way their beliefs on others who believe differently or not at all. Nice diversion into your atheism And once again, you are confused by your lack of serious, formal education. I am highly skeptical about the existence of a superior being that goes beyond the imagination and superstition of humans. That makes me agnostic, not an atheist.* I am, however, anti-religious. Religion is based entirely upon superstition and passed-along folk tales. And, once again, though you refuse to believe it...I don't care what religions do in their churches with their crop of believers. I only care when they attempt to push those beliefs onto society, onto those who believe differently, and on those who don't believe at all. * I don't have any problems with atheism. It certainly is more logical than religious beliefs. What's it going to take to make a believer out of you, shmuck? We know that your mind is maleable. Example: That klown kollege and unions have totally disrupted your logical thought process. They turned you into a radical liberal with no common sense or ability to take care of yourself. Thank GOD for Karen, eh Fat Harry? A believer in what, ****-for-brains? And if you are going to use a word, you should learn how to spell it, eh, schmuck? |
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