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Just finished my 1500 hour
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:17:21 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 14:09:52 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 05:28:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:24:50 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:36:32 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 22:09:37 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: No big deal. I did throw a belt at it. It was a tad over $100 in parts, I did the water pump kit on the 1400 hour. That adds another $50 or so. It took about 4 hours, not much compared to the $700 in labor the Yamaha dealer charges, plus full retail on the parts instead of the ~30% off you get on the internet. Nothing exciting turned up (no water in the oil etc) and the computer says I still have never thrown a code for anything. So far so good on my 2012 F70. I still have a few little things to do on the boat but we will splash for our regular boat ride tomorrow. I might go ahead and work on the trailer before I put it away (wheel bearing clean and pack mostly) My 2003 Yamaha T-8 has only had two problems in all those years. Piece of dirt or something on the idle jet. And the shifter cam in the handle broke. They make good engines and assemblies. Well, don't break anything. I busted the plastic case for the starter solenoid. Yamaha wanted well over $500 for a new solenoid. Tim got me one that worked for about $26.75! If I ever lose that $500 "all in one" starter, tilt, trim solenoid, I will get a couple "ice cube" relays and a good old starter solenoid. I'm talking about the 'starter' solenoid. The one mounted on the 'starter'. Don't know about the one to which you refer. Not all 'good old starter solenoids' fit that Yamaha starter. Some models have a combination module that incorporates the starter and tilt/trim relays. I thought that was what you meant. I just heard about it, to be honest I never really looked at mine that closely but since it is in the driveway, I will before splashdown. I'll bet it's got a solenoid on the starter, dedicated to the starter. Solenoids and relays aren't the same thing. === Solenoid actually refers to a type of electomechanical construction with a coil and plunger, not the function. Some solenoids, like on a starter, have an external mechanical linkage in addition to their electrical switching, others act as a self contained, high current relay that only do switching. Other solenoids actuate valves with no electrical control function at all. |
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Just finished my 1500 hour
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:39:22 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:17:21 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 14:09:52 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 05:28:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:24:50 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:36:32 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 22:09:37 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: No big deal. I did throw a belt at it. It was a tad over $100 in parts, I did the water pump kit on the 1400 hour. That adds another $50 or so. It took about 4 hours, not much compared to the $700 in labor the Yamaha dealer charges, plus full retail on the parts instead of the ~30% off you get on the internet. Nothing exciting turned up (no water in the oil etc) and the computer says I still have never thrown a code for anything. So far so good on my 2012 F70. I still have a few little things to do on the boat but we will splash for our regular boat ride tomorrow. I might go ahead and work on the trailer before I put it away (wheel bearing clean and pack mostly) My 2003 Yamaha T-8 has only had two problems in all those years. Piece of dirt or something on the idle jet. And the shifter cam in the handle broke. They make good engines and assemblies. Well, don't break anything. I busted the plastic case for the starter solenoid. Yamaha wanted well over $500 for a new solenoid. Tim got me one that worked for about $26.75! If I ever lose that $500 "all in one" starter, tilt, trim solenoid, I will get a couple "ice cube" relays and a good old starter solenoid. I'm talking about the 'starter' solenoid. The one mounted on the 'starter'. Don't know about the one to which you refer. Not all 'good old starter solenoids' fit that Yamaha starter. Some models have a combination module that incorporates the starter and tilt/trim relays. I thought that was what you meant. I just heard about it, to be honest I never really looked at mine that closely but since it is in the driveway, I will before splashdown. I'll bet it's got a solenoid on the starter, dedicated to the starter. Solenoids and relays aren't the same thing. === Solenoid actually refers to a type of electomechanical construction with a coil and plunger, not the function. Some solenoids, like on a starter, have an external mechanical linkage in addition to their electrical switching, others act as a self contained, high current relay that only do switching. Other solenoids actuate valves with no electrical control function at all. I agree. This is just an old term that came around the time we had "condensers" in the ignition system. It is similar to calling an outboard a "motor". I just try not to be pedantic about it ;-) |
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Just finished my 1500 hour
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 02:03:42 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:39:22 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:17:21 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 14:09:52 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 05:28:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:24:50 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:36:32 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 22:09:37 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: No big deal. I did throw a belt at it. It was a tad over $100 in parts, I did the water pump kit on the 1400 hour. That adds another $50 or so. It took about 4 hours, not much compared to the $700 in labor the Yamaha dealer charges, plus full retail on the parts instead of the ~30% off you get on the internet. Nothing exciting turned up (no water in the oil etc) and the computer says I still have never thrown a code for anything. So far so good on my 2012 F70. I still have a few little things to do on the boat but we will splash for our regular boat ride tomorrow. I might go ahead and work on the trailer before I put it away (wheel bearing clean and pack mostly) My 2003 Yamaha T-8 has only had two problems in all those years. Piece of dirt or something on the idle jet. And the shifter cam in the handle broke. They make good engines and assemblies. Well, don't break anything. I busted the plastic case for the starter solenoid. Yamaha wanted well over $500 for a new solenoid. Tim got me one that worked for about $26.75! If I ever lose that $500 "all in one" starter, tilt, trim solenoid, I will get a couple "ice cube" relays and a good old starter solenoid. I'm talking about the 'starter' solenoid. The one mounted on the 'starter'. Don't know about the one to which you refer. Not all 'good old starter solenoids' fit that Yamaha starter. Some models have a combination module that incorporates the starter and tilt/trim relays. I thought that was what you meant. I just heard about it, to be honest I never really looked at mine that closely but since it is in the driveway, I will before splashdown. I'll bet it's got a solenoid on the starter, dedicated to the starter. Solenoids and relays aren't the same thing. === Solenoid actually refers to a type of electomechanical construction with a coil and plunger, not the function. Some solenoids, like on a starter, have an external mechanical linkage in addition to their electrical switching, others act as a self contained, high current relay that only do switching. Other solenoids actuate valves with no electrical control function at all. I agree. This is just an old term that came around the time we had "condensers" in the ignition system. It is similar to calling an outboard a "motor". I just try not to be pedantic about it ;-) Yamaha isn't pedantic either. Ask for a solenoid (for that 150hp four-stroke I had) and they ask for much better than $500. Like I said, Tim found one for a bit over $25 that fit perfectly. |
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Just finished my 1500 hour
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 05:57:03 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 02:03:42 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:39:22 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:17:21 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 14:09:52 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 05:28:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:24:50 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:36:32 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 22:09:37 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: No big deal. I did throw a belt at it. It was a tad over $100 in parts, I did the water pump kit on the 1400 hour. That adds another $50 or so. It took about 4 hours, not much compared to the $700 in labor the Yamaha dealer charges, plus full retail on the parts instead of the ~30% off you get on the internet. Nothing exciting turned up (no water in the oil etc) and the computer says I still have never thrown a code for anything. So far so good on my 2012 F70. I still have a few little things to do on the boat but we will splash for our regular boat ride tomorrow. I might go ahead and work on the trailer before I put it away (wheel bearing clean and pack mostly) My 2003 Yamaha T-8 has only had two problems in all those years. Piece of dirt or something on the idle jet. And the shifter cam in the handle broke. They make good engines and assemblies. Well, don't break anything. I busted the plastic case for the starter solenoid. Yamaha wanted well over $500 for a new solenoid. Tim got me one that worked for about $26.75! If I ever lose that $500 "all in one" starter, tilt, trim solenoid, I will get a couple "ice cube" relays and a good old starter solenoid. I'm talking about the 'starter' solenoid. The one mounted on the 'starter'. Don't know about the one to which you refer. Not all 'good old starter solenoids' fit that Yamaha starter. Some models have a combination module that incorporates the starter and tilt/trim relays. I thought that was what you meant. I just heard about it, to be honest I never really looked at mine that closely but since it is in the driveway, I will before splashdown. I'll bet it's got a solenoid on the starter, dedicated to the starter. Solenoids and relays aren't the same thing. === Solenoid actually refers to a type of electomechanical construction with a coil and plunger, not the function. Some solenoids, like on a starter, have an external mechanical linkage in addition to their electrical switching, others act as a self contained, high current relay that only do switching. Other solenoids actuate valves with no electrical control function at all. I agree. This is just an old term that came around the time we had "condensers" in the ignition system. It is similar to calling an outboard a "motor". I just try not to be pedantic about it ;-) Yamaha isn't pedantic either. Ask for a solenoid (for that 150hp four-stroke I had) and they ask for much better than $500. Like I said, Tim found one for a bit over $25 that fit perfectly. It is what I said about Yamaha charging ridiculous prices for parts. Mercury was a little better but not much. I know when I needed tilt trim relays for my old 75, Merc wanted almost $40 each but I could get exactly the same part for about $8 as a lawn tractor part. There was nothing particularly "marine" about the one Merc sells. On my 60 they had changed to the plug in "ice cube" relay that cars are full of these days. They still want a ridiculous price for them but I have a bunch I got from a surplus place for about $3 each and I use them for all sorts of stuff. It is really a pretty nice relay SPDT rated at 30a with a 12vdc coil. You can just use spade connectors or buy the socket for another buck or so. |
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