On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:37:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


The USA did a lot to help beat the Germans and save Europe but sometimes
I think we tend to minimize the contributions and sacrifices made
by Russia.

It the Germans had not screwed up and attacked Russia we might be
looking at a completely different Europe, one that speaks German.
If the Germans had simply concentrated on invading the UK in the
summer of 41, and not instituting operation Barbarosa, I doubt anyone
would have been able to stop them. The US was still pretending to be
neutral at the time.
If we really had to try to take back all of Europe from Western Africa
with no infrastructure to support an invasion force and the Germans
pretty much controlling the Atlantic from Gibraltar to Iceland along
with choking off the Med and owning it, I don't even know how we would
get there. I am not even sure we would try.

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:49:02 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/14/18 1:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


The USA did a lot to help beat the Germans and save Europe but sometimes
I think we tend to minimize the contributions and sacrifices made
by Russia.

Wasn't it wonderful for the Soviets to sign a treaty with the Nazis, who
then abrogated it and invaded Russia, giving the Soviets the ability to
fight back and then overrun a huge percentage of Europe and impose
itself over kazillions of people and cause us to waste trillions of
dollars on the Cold War? Yep, tremendous contributions. So, have you
signed up for the Trump-Putin Fan Club?

I know it isn't fashionable for you Trumpsters to remember this, but
Russia ain't our good buddy.

I think the Russians decided that since they lost about a third of
all of the people who died in the war from all causes and all
theaters, they deserved to keep what they fought for. In any other
time prior to that in human history it was the normal outcome of war.

On 6/14/2018 7:24 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/13/18 11:03 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 19:18:24 -0400, Alex wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/13/18 8:24 AM, Tim wrote:

7:10 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I don't have a "brand new" Ducati.
.........


I know...


Mine has 4250 miles, several years old, hardly new. No dents or
scratches, though.

Let's see a picture of the motorcycle and odometer with a current
newspaper in the photo, too.Â* I'll give you a chance to win your
$100 back.

With Harry sitting on it.


Considering the sort of malooks who form the majority in this pigpen,
there is no way I am going to post photos of identifiable vehicles.

An odometer and a newspaper?Â* No need for a side shot just the gauges.
Good luck.

You can't trust pictures anymore. Photoshop is pretty good.

On 6/14/2018 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:37:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


The USA did a lot to help beat the Germans and save Europe but sometimes
I think we tend to minimize the contributions and sacrifices made
by Russia.

It the Germans had not screwed up and attacked Russia we might be
looking at a completely different Europe, one that speaks German.
If the Germans had simply concentrated on invading the UK in the
summer of 41, and not instituting operation Barbarosa, I doubt anyone
would have been able to stop them. The US was still pretending to be
neutral at the time.
If we really had to try to take back all of Europe from Western Africa
with no infrastructure to support an invasion force and the Germans
pretty much controlling the Atlantic from Gibraltar to Iceland along
with choking off the Med and owning it, I don't even know how we would
get there. I am not even sure we would try.



The United States suffered 419,400 fatalities for all WWII related
causes and had 671,801 total injured.

The Soviet Union suffered somewhere between 20,000,000 to 27,000,000
fatalities with 14,685,593 injured.

That was the only point I was trying to make but now Harry calls me a
Putin lover.

On 6/14/18 8:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2018 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:37:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


The USA did a lot to help beat the Germans and save Europe but sometimes
I think we tend to minimize the contributions and sacrifices made
by Russia.

It the Germans had not screwed up and attacked Russia we might be
looking at a completely different Europe, one that speaks German.
If the Germans had simply concentrated on invading the UK in the
summer of 41, and not instituting operation Barbarosa, I doubt anyone
would have been able to stop them. The US was still pretending to be
neutral at the time.
If we really had to try to take back all of Europe from Western Africa
with no infrastructure to support an invasion force and the Germans
pretty much controlling the Atlantic from Gibraltar to Iceland along
with choking off the Med and owning it, I don't even know how we would
get there.Â* I am not even sure we would try.



The United States suffered 419,400 fatalities for all WWII related
causes and had 671,801 total injured.

The Soviet Union suffered somewhere between 20,000,000 to 27,000,000
fatalities with 14,685,593 injured.

That was the only point I was trying to make but now Harry calls me a
Putin lover.



Estimates vary, but the number of Russians killed by Stalin range from
about 8 million to 20 million.

On 6/14/2018 8:54 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/14/18 8:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2018 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:37:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


The USA did a lot to help beat the Germans and save Europe but
sometimes
I think we tend to minimize the contributions and sacrifices made
by Russia.

It the Germans had not screwed up and attacked Russia we might be
looking at a completely different Europe, one that speaks German.
If the Germans had simply concentrated on invading the UK in the
summer of 41, and not instituting operation Barbarosa, I doubt anyone
would have been able to stop them. The US was still pretending to be
neutral at the time.
If we really had to try to take back all of Europe from Western Africa
with no infrastructure to support an invasion force and the Germans
pretty much controlling the Atlantic from Gibraltar to Iceland along
with choking off the Med and owning it, I don't even know how we would
get there.Â* I am not even sure we would try.



The United States suffered 419,400 fatalities for all WWII related
causes and had 671,801 total injured.

The Soviet Union suffered somewhere between 20,000,000 to 27,000,000
fatalities with 14,685,593 injured.

That was the only point I was trying to make but now Harry calls me a
Putin lover.



Estimates vary, but the number of Russians killed by Stalin range from
about 8 million to 20 million.


What does that have to do with sacrifices made by the USSR in WWII?

Try to pay attention.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2018 8:54 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/14/18 8:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2018 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:37:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


The USA did a lot to help beat the Germans and save Europe but
sometimes
I think we tend to minimize the contributions and sacrifices made
by Russia.

It the Germans had not screwed up and attacked Russia we might be
looking at a completely different Europe, one that speaks German.
If the Germans had simply concentrated on invading the UK in the
summer of 41, and not instituting operation Barbarosa, I doubt anyone
would have been able to stop them. The US was still pretending to be
neutral at the time.
If we really had to try to take back all of Europe from Western Africa
with no infrastructure to support an invasion force and the Germans
pretty much controlling the Atlantic from Gibraltar to Iceland along
with choking off the Med and owning it, I don't even know how we would
get there.Â* I am not even sure we would try.



The United States suffered 419,400 fatalities for all WWII related
causes and had 671,801 total injured.

The Soviet Union suffered somewhere between 20,000,000 to 27,000,000
fatalities with 14,685,593 injured.

That was the only point I was trying to make but now Harry calls me a
Putin lover.



Estimates vary, but the number of Russians killed by Stalin range from
about 8 million to 20 million.


What does that have to do with sacrifices made by the USSR in WWII?

Try to pay attention.




Life is considered cheap in Russia and lots of deaths may not be a strong
motivator. Get it?

--
Posted with my iPhone 8+.

On 6/14/2018 9:03 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2018 8:54 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/14/18 8:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2018 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:37:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


The USA did a lot to help beat the Germans and save Europe but
sometimes
I think we tend to minimize the contributions and sacrifices made
by Russia.

It the Germans had not screwed up and attacked Russia we might be
looking at a completely different Europe, one that speaks German.
If the Germans had simply concentrated on invading the UK in the
summer of 41, and not instituting operation Barbarosa, I doubt anyone
would have been able to stop them. The US was still pretending to be
neutral at the time.
If we really had to try to take back all of Europe from Western Africa
with no infrastructure to support an invasion force and the Germans
pretty much controlling the Atlantic from Gibraltar to Iceland along
with choking off the Med and owning it, I don't even know how we would
get there.Â* I am not even sure we would try.



The United States suffered 419,400 fatalities for all WWII related
causes and had 671,801 total injured.

The Soviet Union suffered somewhere between 20,000,000 to 27,000,000
fatalities with 14,685,593 injured.

That was the only point I was trying to make but now Harry calls me a
Putin lover.



Estimates vary, but the number of Russians killed by Stalin range from
about 8 million to 20 million.


What does that have to do with sacrifices made by the USSR in WWII?

Try to pay attention.




Life is considered cheap in Russia and lots of deaths may not be a strong
motivator. Get it?


No. Motivator for what? Kicking an invading army's ass?
I was commenting on sacrifices made in WWII.

I guess it's impossible for me to think like you.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2018 9:03 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2018 8:54 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/14/18 8:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2018 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:37:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


The USA did a lot to help beat the Germans and save Europe but
sometimes
I think we tend to minimize the contributions and sacrifices made
by Russia.

It the Germans had not screwed up and attacked Russia we might be
looking at a completely different Europe, one that speaks German.
If the Germans had simply concentrated on invading the UK in the
summer of 41, and not instituting operation Barbarosa, I doubt anyone
would have been able to stop them. The US was still pretending to be
neutral at the time.
If we really had to try to take back all of Europe from Western Africa
with no infrastructure to support an invasion force and the Germans
pretty much controlling the Atlantic from Gibraltar to Iceland along
with choking off the Med and owning it, I don't even know how we would
get there.Â* I am not even sure we would try.



The United States suffered 419,400 fatalities for all WWII related
causes and had 671,801 total injured.

The Soviet Union suffered somewhere between 20,000,000 to 27,000,000
fatalities with 14,685,593 injured.

That was the only point I was trying to make but now Harry calls me a
Putin lover.



Estimates vary, but the number of Russians killed by Stalin range from
about 8 million to 20 million.


What does that have to do with sacrifices made by the USSR in WWII?

Try to pay attention.




Life is considered cheap in Russia and lots of deaths may not be a strong
motivator. Get it?


No. Motivator for what? Kicking an invading army's ass?
I was commenting on sacrifices made in WWII.

I guess it's impossible for me to think like you.



Those sacrfices might not have been a motivator for the Sov’s land snatch.

--
Posted with my iPhone 8+.

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 21:03:55 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2018 8:54 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/14/18 8:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2018 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:37:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


The USA did a lot to help beat the Germans and save Europe but
sometimes
I think we tend to minimize the contributions and sacrifices made
by Russia.

It the Germans had not screwed up and attacked Russia we might be
looking at a completely different Europe, one that speaks German.
If the Germans had simply concentrated on invading the UK in the
summer of 41, and not instituting operation Barbarosa, I doubt anyone
would have been able to stop them. The US was still pretending to be
neutral at the time.
If we really had to try to take back all of Europe from Western Africa
with no infrastructure to support an invasion force and the Germans
pretty much controlling the Atlantic from Gibraltar to Iceland along
with choking off the Med and owning it, I don't even know how we would
get there.Â* I am not even sure we would try.



The United States suffered 419,400 fatalities for all WWII related
causes and had 671,801 total injured.

The Soviet Union suffered somewhere between 20,000,000 to 27,000,000
fatalities with 14,685,593 injured.

That was the only point I was trying to make but now Harry calls me a
Putin lover.



Estimates vary, but the number of Russians killed by Stalin range from
about 8 million to 20 million.


What does that have to do with sacrifices made by the USSR in WWII?

Try to pay attention.




Life is considered cheap in Russia and lots of deaths may not be a strong
motivator. Get it?

It's a good thing too. If the Russians had of worried about the
casualties and sued for peace in 1941-42 as Hitler thought they would
and Stalin had pulled back to the territory he could keep, UK would
have been crushed, long before there was anything we could have done
to stop them.