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Norway wants US Marines
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 12:18:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/14/2018 12:11 PM, True North wrote: On Thursday, 14 June 2018 12:13:42 UTC-3, wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:59:51 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 6/13/18 10:37 PM, wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:29:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Norway is smart about money and resources...from Wiki: In March 2017, the Government Pension Fund controlled assets were valued at approximately US$913 billion (equal to US$182,000 per capita), which is about 178% of Norway's current GDP. It is the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world. The fund controls about 1.3% of all listed shares in Europe, and more than 1% of all the publicly traded shares in the world. The Norwegian Central Bank operates investment offices in London, New York, and Shanghai. Guidelines implemented in 2007 allow the fund to invest up to 60% of the capital in shares (maximum of 40% prior), while the rest may be placed in bonds and real-estate. As the stock markets tumbled in September 2008, the fund was able to buy more shares at low prices. In this way, the losses incurred by the market turmoil was recuperated by November 2009. Other nations with economies based on natural resources, such as Russia, are trying to learn from Norway by establishing similar funds. The investment choices of the Norwegian fund are directed by ethical guidelines; for example, the fund is not allowed to invest in companies that produce parts for nuclear weapons. Norway's highly transparent investment scheme is lauded by the international community. The future size of the fund is closely linked to the price of oil and to developments in international financial markets. In 2000, the government sold one-third of the state-owned oil company Statoil in an IPO. The next year, the main telecom supplier, Telenor, was listed on Oslo Stock Exchange. The state also owns significant shares of Norway's largest bank, DnB NOR and the airline SAS. Since 2000, economic growth has been rapid, pushing unemployment down to levels not seen since the early 1980s (unemployment in 2007: 1.3%). The international financial crisis has primarily affected the industrial sector, but unemployment has remained low, and was at 3.3% (86,000 people) in August 2011. Norway contains significant mineral resources, and in 2013, its mineral production was valued at US$1.5 billion (Norwegian Geological Survey data). The most valuable minerals are calcium carbonate (limestone), building stone, nepheline syenite, olivine, iron, titanium, and nickel. Norway is also the world's second-largest exporter of fish (in value, after China). Hydroelectric plants generate roughly 98–99% of Norway's electric power, more than any other country in the world. Somehow, I think the Norwegians will figure out how to secure their future. I am sure they will because they "privatized" their old age pension fund and invested it in real things instead of just spending the money and putting IOUs in the box. They are not dipping into the general fund or borrowing money to pay their pensioners. Their "future" is secure as long as we keep them safe and they should doing that themselves, not sponging off of us. And, once again, without our international commitments, there would be more justification for shrinking our outrageous military budgets. So why don't we? I would start with Europe. A lot of your military costs are by your own doing...that is sticking your beak into any and every trouble spot. Viet Nam was a good example. You like to project your power whether it's requested or not. It would be interesting for historians to speculate on what the planet would be like today if the USA (and Canada) had completely followed a "we'll mind are own business" policy since the end of WWII. How about since prior to WWI? |
#93
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Norway wants US Marines
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 09:11:41 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
On Thursday, 14 June 2018 12:13:42 UTC-3, wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:59:51 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 6/13/18 10:37 PM, wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:29:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Norway is smart about money and resources...from Wiki: In March 2017, the Government Pension Fund controlled assets were valued at approximately US$913 billion (equal to US$182,000 per capita), which is about 178% of Norway's current GDP. It is the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world. The fund controls about 1.3% of all listed shares in Europe, and more than 1% of all the publicly traded shares in the world. The Norwegian Central Bank operates investment offices in London, New York, and Shanghai. Guidelines implemented in 2007 allow the fund to invest up to 60% of the capital in shares (maximum of 40% prior), while the rest may be placed in bonds and real-estate. As the stock markets tumbled in September 2008, the fund was able to buy more shares at low prices. In this way, the losses incurred by the market turmoil was recuperated by November 2009. Other nations with economies based on natural resources, such as Russia, are trying to learn from Norway by establishing similar funds. The investment choices of the Norwegian fund are directed by ethical guidelines; for example, the fund is not allowed to invest in companies that produce parts for nuclear weapons. Norway's highly transparent investment scheme is lauded by the international community. The future size of the fund is closely linked to the price of oil and to developments in international financial markets. In 2000, the government sold one-third of the state-owned oil company Statoil in an IPO. The next year, the main telecom supplier, Telenor, was listed on Oslo Stock Exchange. The state also owns significant shares of Norway's largest bank, DnB NOR and the airline SAS. Since 2000, economic growth has been rapid, pushing unemployment down to levels not seen since the early 1980s (unemployment in 2007: 1.3%). The international financial crisis has primarily affected the industrial sector, but unemployment has remained low, and was at 3.3% (86,000 people) in August 2011. Norway contains significant mineral resources, and in 2013, its mineral production was valued at US$1.5 billion (Norwegian Geological Survey data). The most valuable minerals are calcium carbonate (limestone), building stone, nepheline syenite, olivine, iron, titanium, and nickel. Norway is also the world's second-largest exporter of fish (in value, after China). Hydroelectric plants generate roughly 98–99% of Norway's electric power, more than any other country in the world. Somehow, I think the Norwegians will figure out how to secure their future. I am sure they will because they "privatized" their old age pension fund and invested it in real things instead of just spending the money and putting IOUs in the box. They are not dipping into the general fund or borrowing money to pay their pensioners. Their "future" is secure as long as we keep them safe and they should doing that themselves, not sponging off of us. And, once again, without our international commitments, there would be more justification for shrinking our outrageous military budgets. So why don't we? I would start with Europe. A lot of your military costs are by your own doing...that is sticking your beak into any and every trouble spot. Viet Nam was a good example. You like to project your power whether it's requested or not. Apparently, the 30,000 Canadians who fought in Vietnam felt otherwise. The point is, if Norway is so financially astute, why do they seek the NATO umbrella and not pay their fair share. |
#94
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Norway wants US Marines
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 12:20:37 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 11:22:37 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 11:18:09 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 08:01:49 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 6/13/18 10:52 PM, wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:50:54 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 6/13/18 4:42 PM, Bill wrote: And why are you opposed to social security funds in the stock market? My recollection is that the private wall street banksters were lobbying to "invest" those funds and earn their profit off it. Norges Bank belongs to the people of Norway. Norway invests all over the world in all sorts of things, Those investments return real capital gains. The SS/MC funds are not really invested in anything. There are just IOUs in the box and the government spent the money on things that do not generate any income for the government. They chalk up phony interest payments but some of the money has to be borrowed from someone else when they actually have to pay people the benefits they promise. I suppose I should explain in pidgin English. I am not opposed to investing. I oppose using the banksters in the USA to handle those investments on behalf of our citizenry. You didn't explain anything. Are you really saying you would rather have politicians and bureaucrats handling your money than trained money managers? Well sure, as long as they're *Democrat* politicians and bureaucrats. Yeah that is what I am talking about. FDR is the one who decided to make it OK for the government to spend the SS surplus and put an IOU in the jar, to hide the cost of Lend Lease. LBJ put the whole program "on Budget" so it just became part of the general revenue to hide the cost of his war. Yeah we can always trust the democrats but the republicans are not any better. They are the ones who say we can't raise the FICA tax to cover the SS/MC deficits so it has just become another welfare program, living on borrowed money. If the kids actually understood the real cost of these programs they would throw momma from the train. The question was who would Harry trust. |
#95
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Norway wants US Marines
John H
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 09:11:41 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:Â* On Thursday, 14 June 2018 12:13:42 Â*Â*wrote:Â* On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:59:51 -0400, Keyser Soze Â* wrote:Â* Â* On 6/13/18 10:37 Â*wrote:Â* On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:29:04 -0400, Keyser Soze Â* - show quoted text - "Apparently, the 30,000 Canadians who fought in Vietnam felt otherwise. The point is, if Norway is soÂ* financially astute, why do they seek the NATO umbrella and not pay their fair share."Â* I just wonder how many Americans would be gung ho about military spending if their taxes were raised to fully pay for it? |
#96
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Norway wants US Marines
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 10:17:21 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
John H On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 09:11:41 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:* On Thursday, 14 June 2018 12:13:42 **wrote:* On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:59:51 -0400, Keyser Soze * wrote:* * On 6/13/18 10:37 *wrote:* On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:29:04 -0400, Keyser Soze * - show quoted text - "Apparently, the 30,000 Canadians who fought in Vietnam felt otherwise. The point is, if Norway is so* financially astute, why do they seek the NATO umbrella and not pay their fair share."* I just wonder how many Americans would be gung ho about military spending if their taxes were raised to fully pay for it? Pay for *our* defense, or pay for NATO? Why should we pay more than our fair share foe NATO? Who do you think pays for our military spending? |
#97
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Norway wants US Marines
On 6/14/2018 1:05 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 12:18:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/14/2018 12:11 PM, True North wrote: On Thursday, 14 June 2018 12:13:42 UTC-3, wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:59:51 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 6/13/18 10:37 PM, wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:29:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Norway is smart about money and resources...from Wiki: In March 2017, the Government Pension Fund controlled assets were valued at approximately US$913 billion (equal to US$182,000 per capita), which is about 178% of Norway's current GDP. It is the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world. The fund controls about 1.3% of all listed shares in Europe, and more than 1% of all the publicly traded shares in the world. The Norwegian Central Bank operates investment offices in London, New York, and Shanghai. Guidelines implemented in 2007 allow the fund to invest up to 60% of the capital in shares (maximum of 40% prior), while the rest may be placed in bonds and real-estate. As the stock markets tumbled in September 2008, the fund was able to buy more shares at low prices. In this way, the losses incurred by the market turmoil was recuperated by November 2009. Other nations with economies based on natural resources, such as Russia, are trying to learn from Norway by establishing similar funds. The investment choices of the Norwegian fund are directed by ethical guidelines; for example, the fund is not allowed to invest in companies that produce parts for nuclear weapons. Norway's highly transparent investment scheme is lauded by the international community. The future size of the fund is closely linked to the price of oil and to developments in international financial markets. In 2000, the government sold one-third of the state-owned oil company Statoil in an IPO. The next year, the main telecom supplier, Telenor, was listed on Oslo Stock Exchange. The state also owns significant shares of Norway's largest bank, DnB NOR and the airline SAS. Since 2000, economic growth has been rapid, pushing unemployment down to levels not seen since the early 1980s (unemployment in 2007: 1.3%). The international financial crisis has primarily affected the industrial sector, but unemployment has remained low, and was at 3.3% (86,000 people) in August 2011. Norway contains significant mineral resources, and in 2013, its mineral production was valued at US$1.5 billion (Norwegian Geological Survey data). The most valuable minerals are calcium carbonate (limestone), building stone, nepheline syenite, olivine, iron, titanium, and nickel. Norway is also the world's second-largest exporter of fish (in value, after China). Hydroelectric plants generate roughly 98–99% of Norway's electric power, more than any other country in the world. Somehow, I think the Norwegians will figure out how to secure their future. I am sure they will because they "privatized" their old age pension fund and invested it in real things instead of just spending the money and putting IOUs in the box. They are not dipping into the general fund or borrowing money to pay their pensioners. Their "future" is secure as long as we keep them safe and they should doing that themselves, not sponging off of us. And, once again, without our international commitments, there would be more justification for shrinking our outrageous military budgets. So why don't we? I would start with Europe. A lot of your military costs are by your own doing...that is sticking your beak into any and every trouble spot. Viet Nam was a good example. You like to project your power whether it's requested or not. It would be interesting for historians to speculate on what the planet would be like today if the USA (and Canada) had completely followed a "we'll mind are own business" policy since the end of WWII. How about since prior to WWI? True but the USA really didn't emerge as a "Superpower" until after WWII. The USA did a lot to help beat the Germans and save Europe but sometimes I think we tend to minimize the contributions and sacrifices made by Russia. |
#98
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Norway wants US Marines
On 6/14/18 1:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2018 1:05 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 12:18:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/14/2018 12:11 PM, True North wrote: On Thursday, 14 June 2018 12:13:42 UTC-3, Â* wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:59:51 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 6/13/18 10:37 PM, wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:29:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Norway is smart about money and resources...from Wiki: In March 2017, the Government Pension Fund controlled assets were valued at approximately US$913 billion (equal to US$182,000 per capita), which is about 178% of Norway's current GDP. It is the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world. The fund controls about 1.3% of all listed shares in Europe, and more than 1% of all the publicly traded shares in the world. The Norwegian Central Bank operates investment offices in London, New York, and Shanghai. Guidelines implemented in 2007 allow the fund to invest up to 60% of the capital in shares (maximum of 40% prior), while the rest may be placed in bonds and real-estate. As the stock markets tumbled in September 2008, the fund was able to buy more shares at low prices. In this way, the losses incurred by the market turmoil was recuperated by November 2009. Other nations with economies based on natural resources, such as Russia, are trying to learn from Norway by establishing similar funds. The investment choices of the Norwegian fund are directed by ethical guidelines; for example, the fund is not allowed to invest in companies that produce parts for nuclear weapons. Norway's highly transparent investment scheme is lauded by the international community. The future size of the fund is closely linked to the price of oil and to developments in international financial markets. In 2000, the government sold one-third of the state-owned oil company Statoil in an IPO. The next year, the main telecom supplier, Telenor, was listed on Oslo Stock Exchange. The state also owns significant shares of Norway's largest bank, DnB NOR and the airline SAS. Since 2000, economic growth has been rapid, pushing unemployment down to levels not seen since the early 1980s (unemployment in 2007: 1.3%). The international financial crisis has primarily affected the industrial sector, but unemployment has remained low, and was at 3.3% (86,000 people) in August 2011. Norway contains significant mineral resources, and in 2013, its mineral production was valued at US$1.5 billion (Norwegian Geological Survey data). The most valuable minerals are calcium carbonate (limestone), building stone, nepheline syenite, olivine, iron, titanium, and nickel. Norway is also the world's second-largest exporter of fish (in value, after China). Hydroelectric plants generate roughly 98–99% of Norway's electric power, more than any other country in the world. Somehow, I think the Norwegians will figure out how to secure their future. I am sure they will because they "privatized" their old age pension fund and invested it in real things instead of just spending the money and putting IOUs in the box.Â* They are not dipping into the general fund or borrowing money to pay their pensioners. Their "future" is secure as long as we keep them safe and they should doing that themselves, not sponging off of us. And, once again, without our international commitments, there would be more justification for shrinking our outrageous military budgets. So why don't we? I would start with Europe. A lot of your military costs are by your own doing...that is sticking your beak into any and every trouble spot. Viet Nam was a good example. You like to project your power whether it's requested or not. It would be interesting for historians to speculate on what the planet would be like today if the USA (and Canada) had completely followed a "we'll mind are own business" policy since the end of WWII. How about since prior to WWI? True but the USA really didn't emerge as a "Superpower" until after WWII. The USA did a lot to help beat the Germans and save Europe but sometimes I think we tend to minimize the contributions and sacrifices made by Russia. Wasn't it wonderful for the Soviets to sign a treaty with the Nazis, who then abrogated it and invaded Russia, giving the Soviets the ability to fight back and then overrun a huge percentage of Europe and impose itself over kazillions of people and cause us to waste trillions of dollars on the Cold War? Yep, tremendous contributions. So, have you signed up for the Trump-Putin Fan Club? I know it isn't fashionable for you Trumpsters to remember this, but Russia ain't our good buddy. |
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On 6/14/2018 1:49 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/14/18 1:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/14/2018 1:05 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 12:18:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/14/2018 12:11 PM, True North wrote: On Thursday, 14 June 2018 12:13:42 UTC-3, Â* wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:59:51 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 6/13/18 10:37 PM, wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:29:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Norway is smart about money and resources...from Wiki: In March 2017, the Government Pension Fund controlled assets were valued at approximately US$913 billion (equal to US$182,000 per capita), which is about 178% of Norway's current GDP. It is the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world. The fund controls about 1.3% of all listed shares in Europe, and more than 1% of all the publicly traded shares in the world. The Norwegian Central Bank operates investment offices in London, New York, and Shanghai. Guidelines implemented in 2007 allow the fund to invest up to 60% of the capital in shares (maximum of 40% prior), while the rest may be placed in bonds and real-estate. As the stock markets tumbled in September 2008, the fund was able to buy more shares at low prices. In this way, the losses incurred by the market turmoil was recuperated by November 2009. Other nations with economies based on natural resources, such as Russia, are trying to learn from Norway by establishing similar funds. The investment choices of the Norwegian fund are directed by ethical guidelines; for example, the fund is not allowed to invest in companies that produce parts for nuclear weapons. Norway's highly transparent investment scheme is lauded by the international community. The future size of the fund is closely linked to the price of oil and to developments in international financial markets. In 2000, the government sold one-third of the state-owned oil company Statoil in an IPO. The next year, the main telecom supplier, Telenor, was listed on Oslo Stock Exchange. The state also owns significant shares of Norway's largest bank, DnB NOR and the airline SAS. Since 2000, economic growth has been rapid, pushing unemployment down to levels not seen since the early 1980s (unemployment in 2007: 1.3%). The international financial crisis has primarily affected the industrial sector, but unemployment has remained low, and was at 3.3% (86,000 people) in August 2011. Norway contains significant mineral resources, and in 2013, its mineral production was valued at US$1.5 billion (Norwegian Geological Survey data). The most valuable minerals are calcium carbonate (limestone), building stone, nepheline syenite, olivine, iron, titanium, and nickel. Norway is also the world's second-largest exporter of fish (in value, after China). Hydroelectric plants generate roughly 98–99% of Norway's electric power, more than any other country in the world. Somehow, I think the Norwegians will figure out how to secure their future. I am sure they will because they "privatized" their old age pension fund and invested it in real things instead of just spending the money and putting IOUs in the box.Â* They are not dipping into the general fund or borrowing money to pay their pensioners. Their "future" is secure as long as we keep them safe and they should doing that themselves, not sponging off of us. And, once again, without our international commitments, there would be more justification for shrinking our outrageous military budgets. So why don't we? I would start with Europe. A lot of your military costs are by your own doing...that is sticking your beak into any and every trouble spot. Viet Nam was a good example. You like to project your power whether it's requested or not. It would be interesting for historians to speculate on what the planet would be like today if the USA (and Canada) had completely followed a "we'll mind are own business" policy since the end of WWII. How about since prior to WWI? True but the USA really didn't emerge as a "Superpower" until after WWII. The USA did a lot to help beat the Germans and save Europe but sometimes I think we tend to minimize the contributions and sacrifices made by Russia. Wasn't it wonderful for the Soviets to sign a treaty with the Nazis, who then abrogated it and invaded Russia, giving the Soviets the ability to fight back and then overrun a huge percentage of Europe and impose itself over kazillions of people and cause us to waste trillions of dollars on the Cold War? Yep, tremendous contributions. So, have you signed up for the Trump-Putin Fan Club? I know it isn't fashionable for you Trumpsters to remember this, but Russia ain't our good buddy. Holy Crap. Now, because I point out that Russia played a major role in the defeat of Nazi Germany in WWII (which is historically correct) I am now a member of the Putin Fan Club? Something wrong with your head Harry. |
#100
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Norway wants US Marines
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:37:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/14/2018 1:05 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 12:18:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/14/2018 12:11 PM, True North wrote: On Thursday, 14 June 2018 12:13:42 UTC-3, wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:59:51 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 6/13/18 10:37 PM, wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:29:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Norway is smart about money and resources...from Wiki: In March 2017, the Government Pension Fund controlled assets were valued at approximately US$913 billion (equal to US$182,000 per capita), which is about 178% of Norway's current GDP. It is the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world. The fund controls about 1.3% of all listed shares in Europe, and more than 1% of all the publicly traded shares in the world. The Norwegian Central Bank operates investment offices in London, New York, and Shanghai. Guidelines implemented in 2007 allow the fund to invest up to 60% of the capital in shares (maximum of 40% prior), while the rest may be placed in bonds and real-estate. As the stock markets tumbled in September 2008, the fund was able to buy more shares at low prices. In this way, the losses incurred by the market turmoil was recuperated by November 2009. Other nations with economies based on natural resources, such as Russia, are trying to learn from Norway by establishing similar funds. The investment choices of the Norwegian fund are directed by ethical guidelines; for example, the fund is not allowed to invest in companies that produce parts for nuclear weapons. Norway's highly transparent investment scheme is lauded by the international community. The future size of the fund is closely linked to the price of oil and to developments in international financial markets. In 2000, the government sold one-third of the state-owned oil company Statoil in an IPO. The next year, the main telecom supplier, Telenor, was listed on Oslo Stock Exchange. The state also owns significant shares of Norway's largest bank, DnB NOR and the airline SAS. Since 2000, economic growth has been rapid, pushing unemployment down to levels not seen since the early 1980s (unemployment in 2007: 1.3%). The international financial crisis has primarily affected the industrial sector, but unemployment has remained low, and was at 3.3% (86,000 people) in August 2011. Norway contains significant mineral resources, and in 2013, its mineral production was valued at US$1.5 billion (Norwegian Geological Survey data). The most valuable minerals are calcium carbonate (limestone), building stone, nepheline syenite, olivine, iron, titanium, and nickel. Norway is also the world's second-largest exporter of fish (in value, after China). Hydroelectric plants generate roughly 98–99% of Norway's electric power, more than any other country in the world. Somehow, I think the Norwegians will figure out how to secure their future. I am sure they will because they "privatized" their old age pension fund and invested it in real things instead of just spending the money and putting IOUs in the box. They are not dipping into the general fund or borrowing money to pay their pensioners. Their "future" is secure as long as we keep them safe and they should doing that themselves, not sponging off of us. And, once again, without our international commitments, there would be more justification for shrinking our outrageous military budgets. So why don't we? I would start with Europe. A lot of your military costs are by your own doing...that is sticking your beak into any and every trouble spot. Viet Nam was a good example. You like to project your power whether it's requested or not. It would be interesting for historians to speculate on what the planet would be like today if the USA (and Canada) had completely followed a "we'll mind are own business" policy since the end of WWII. How about since prior to WWI? True but the USA really didn't emerge as a "Superpower" until after WWII. The USA did a lot to help beat the Germans and save Europe but sometimes I think we tend to minimize the contributions and sacrifices made by Russia. 'World War II in Color' does a good job of showing the Russian contribution. |
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