Victory at Sea
 

I'm up to the eighth episode of about 26. Have to admit the Netflix "World War II in Color" is much
better. "Victory at Sea" seems to have been produced to build morale, not be a documentary of the
war. Much time spent on ships going across the water and main guns firing. Actually just a lot of
wasted time where the narrator says nothing.

That's not to say it isn't enjoyable. It is. But I found the Netflix version much more so.

Victory at Sea
 

John H. wrote:
I'm up to the eighth episode of about 26. Have to admit the Netflix
"World War II in Color" is much
better. "Victory at Sea" seems to have been produced to build morale, not
be a documentary of the
war. Much time spent on ships going across the water and main guns
firing. Actually just a lot of
wasted time where the narrator says nothing.

That's not to say it isn't enjoyable. It is. But I found the Netflix version much more so.


Victory at sea was done to honor the veterans. Was done by the network
after the war, I think, and he each segment was shown with no breaks or
ads.

Victory at Sea
 

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 07:03:03 -0400, John H.
wrote:

I'm up to the eighth episode of about 26. Have to admit the Netflix "World War II in Color" is much
better. "Victory at Sea" seems to have been produced to build morale, not be a documentary of the
war. Much time spent on ships going across the water and main guns firing. Actually just a lot of
wasted time where the narrator says nothing.

That's not to say it isn't enjoyable. It is. But I found the Netflix version much more so.

Victory at Sea is mostly a showcase for Richard Rodgers' music. At the
time it was seen as a real masterpiece tho. My dad had access to it on
16MM film, borrowed from the navy and we sat around a neighbor's house
and watched the whole thing, one reel a night. (all he could bring
home at one time). That was before TV was a thing and it was really
cool for 7-10 year old boys. We usually watched each reel several
times. They were probably only 15 minutes long but it seemed like it
was a lot.
It is interesting how much of that video footage shows up as B roll in
other productions tho. That shot of the destroyer vectoring across a
periscope shot has shown up in everything from 50s and 60s sub movies
to McHale's Navy.
The same is true of most of that old WWII footage.
They really love that shot of the German soldier walking down the road
carrying the STG44 and they use it a lot, even in scenes depicting
time before the gun was designed.

Victory at Sea
 

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:30:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
I'm up to the eighth episode of about 26. Have to admit the Netflix
"World War II in Color" is much
better. "Victory at Sea" seems to have been produced to build morale, not
be a documentary of the
war. Much time spent on ships going across the water and main guns
firing. Actually just a lot of
wasted time where the narrator says nothing.

That's not to say it isn't enjoyable. It is. But I found the Netflix version much more so.


Victory at sea was done to honor the veterans. Was done by the network
after the war, I think, and he each segment was shown with no breaks or
ads.

1952. It is definitely done in a way to promote patriotism. I'm enjoying it, but a lot of the
patriotism rendering and time filling with ships riding the seas could be spent telling the history.

Victory at Sea
 

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:07:29 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:30:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
I'm up to the eighth episode of about 26. Have to admit the Netflix
"World War II in Color" is much
better. "Victory at Sea" seems to have been produced to build morale, not
be a documentary of the
war. Much time spent on ships going across the water and main guns
firing. Actually just a lot of
wasted time where the narrator says nothing.

That's not to say it isn't enjoyable. It is. But I found the Netflix version much more so.


Victory at sea was done to honor the veterans. Was done by the network
after the war, I think, and he each segment was shown with no breaks or
ads.

1952. It is definitely done in a way to promote patriotism. I'm enjoying it, but a lot of the
patriotism rendering and time filling with ships riding the seas could be spent telling the history.

In 1952 I am not sure Truman really wanted us to know that much about
the history. He wanted the party line to be "evil rose it's ugly head
and we saved the world". "Now feel good about yourself and try to
forget I got you into another war we are not going to win."

Victory at Sea
 

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:17:43 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:30:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
I'm up to the eighth episode of about 26. Have to admit the Netflix
"World War II in Color" is much
better. "Victory at Sea" seems to have been produced to build morale, not
be a documentary of the
war. Much time spent on ships going across the water and main guns
firing. Actually just a lot of
wasted time where the narrator says nothing.

That's not to say it isn't enjoyable. It is. But I found the Netflix
version much more so.


Victory at sea was done to honor the veterans. Was done by the network
after the war, I think, and he each segment was shown with no breaks or
ads.

1952. It is definitely done in a way to promote patriotism. I'm enjoying
it, but a lot of the
patriotism rendering and time filling with ships riding the seas could be
spent telling the history.


I think it shows what the sailors went through. Lots of nasty seas, hours
of boring time and minutes of terror.

That's fine, but don't spend half of every episode doing so!


I loved that show when I was kid. I actually have DVD of the show. Bought
them years ago for like $10 the set.

Victory at Sea
 

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 21:58:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:17:43 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:30:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
I'm up to the eighth episode of about 26. Have to admit the Netflix
"World War II in Color" is much
better. "Victory at Sea" seems to have been produced to build morale, not
be a documentary of the
war. Much time spent on ships going across the water and main guns
firing. Actually just a lot of
wasted time where the narrator says nothing.

That's not to say it isn't enjoyable. It is. But I found the Netflix
version much more so.


Victory at sea was done to honor the veterans. Was done by the network
after the war, I think, and he each segment was shown with no breaks or
ads.

1952. It is definitely done in a way to promote patriotism. I'm enjoying
it, but a lot of the
patriotism rendering and time filling with ships riding the seas could be
spent telling the history.


I think it shows what the sailors went through. Lots of nasty seas, hours
of boring time and minutes of terror.

That's fine, but don't spend half of every episode doing so!


I loved that show when I was kid. I actually have DVD of the show. Bought
them years ago for like $10 the set.

Cheaper now. This is what I'm watching. Got it a couple weeks ago after Mike mentioned it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Victory at Sea
 

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 21:58:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:17:43 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:30:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
I'm up to the eighth episode of about 26. Have to admit the Netflix
"World War II in Color" is much
better. "Victory at Sea" seems to have been produced to build morale, not
be a documentary of the
war. Much time spent on ships going across the water and main guns
firing. Actually just a lot of
wasted time where the narrator says nothing.

That's not to say it isn't enjoyable. It is. But I found the Netflix
version much more so.


Victory at sea was done to honor the veterans. Was done by the network
after the war, I think, and he each segment was shown with no breaks or
ads.

1952. It is definitely done in a way to promote patriotism. I'm enjoying
it, but a lot of the
patriotism rendering and time filling with ships riding the seas could be
spent telling the history.


I think it shows what the sailors went through. Lots of nasty seas, hours
of boring time and minutes of terror.

That's fine, but don't spend half of every episode doing so!


I loved that show when I was kid. I actually have DVD of the show. Bought
them years ago for like $10 the set.

Cheaper now. This is what I'm watching. Got it a couple weeks ago after Mike mentioned it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Was years ago, and was in a $10 bin at Walmart.

Victory at Sea
 

On 6/5/2018 7:19 PM, Bill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 21:58:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:17:43 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:30:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
I'm up to the eighth episode of about 26. Have to admit the Netflix
"World War II in Color" is much
better. "Victory at Sea" seems to have been produced to build morale, not
be a documentary of the
war. Much time spent on ships going across the water and main guns
firing. Actually just a lot of
wasted time where the narrator says nothing.

That's not to say it isn't enjoyable. It is. But I found the Netflix
version much more so.


Victory at sea was done to honor the veterans. Was done by the network
after the war, I think, and he each segment was shown with no breaks or
ads.

1952. It is definitely done in a way to promote patriotism. I'm enjoying
it, but a lot of the
patriotism rendering and time filling with ships riding the seas could be
spent telling the history.


I think it shows what the sailors went through. Lots of nasty seas, hours
of boring time and minutes of terror.

That's fine, but don't spend half of every episode doing so!


I loved that show when I was kid. I actually have DVD of the show. Bought
them years ago for like $10 the set.

Cheaper now. This is what I'm watching. Got it a couple weeks ago after Mike mentioned it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Was years ago, and was in a $10 bin at Walmart.



Here's the complete series on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMOJ05TrdIZA7pNQa5YjrHuPIDPdHPIod

Victory at Sea
 

On 6/5/18 7:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/5/2018 7:19 PM, Bill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 21:58:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:17:43 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:30:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
I'm up to the eighth episode of about 26. Have to admit the
Netflix
"World War II in Color" is much
better. "Victory at Sea" seems to have been produced to build
morale, not
be a documentary of the
war. Much time spent on ships going across the water and main guns
firing. Actually just a lot of
wasted time where the narrator says nothing.

That's not to say it isn't enjoyable. It is. But I found the
Netflix
version much more so.


Victory at sea was done to honor the veterans.Â*Â* Was done by the
network
after the war, I think, and he each segment wasÂ* shown with no
breaks or
ads.

1952. It is definitely done in a way to promote patriotism. I'm
enjoying
it, but a lot of the
patriotism rendering and time filling with ships riding the seas
could be
spent telling the history.


I think it shows what the sailors went through.Â* Lots of nasty
seas, hours
of boring time and minutes of terror.

That's fine, but don't spend half of every episode doing so!


I loved that show when I was kid.Â* I actually have DVD of the show.
Bought
them years ago for like $10 the set.

Cheaper now. This is what I'm watching. Got it a couple weeks ago
after Mike mentioned it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1



Was years ago, and was in a $10 bin at Walmart.



Here's the complete series on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMOJ05TrdIZA7pNQa5YjrHuPIDPdHPIod



Many of these WWII series, whatever their overriding topic, use the same
footage over and over, from series to series. I've seen the same footage
of the Germans attacking Russia and Russia running the Germans out of
their homeland 10 times in 10 different series and, of course, most of
the time you can't really tell what precisely is taking place, where or
when.

Victory at Sea
 

On 6/5/2018 7:56 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/5/18 7:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/5/2018 7:19 PM, Bill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 21:58:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:17:43 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:30:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
I'm up to the eighth episode of about 26. Have to admit the
Netflix
"World War II in Color" is much
better. "Victory at Sea" seems to have been produced to build
morale, not
be a documentary of the
war. Much time spent on ships going across the water and main
guns
firing. Actually just a lot of
wasted time where the narrator says nothing.

That's not to say it isn't enjoyable. It is. But I found the
Netflix
version much more so.


Victory at sea was done to honor the veterans.Â*Â* Was done by
the network
after the war, I think, and he each segment wasÂ* shown with no
breaks or
ads.

1952. It is definitely done in a way to promote patriotism. I'm
enjoying
it, but a lot of the
patriotism rendering and time filling with ships riding the seas
could be
spent telling the history.


I think it shows what the sailors went through.Â* Lots of nasty
seas, hours
of boring time and minutes of terror.

That's fine, but don't spend half of every episode doing so!


I loved that show when I was kid.Â* I actually have DVD of the show.
Bought
them years ago for like $10 the set.

Cheaper now. This is what I'm watching. Got it a couple weeks ago
after Mike mentioned it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1



Was years ago, and was in a $10 bin at Walmart.



Here's the complete series on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMOJ05TrdIZA7pNQa5YjrHuPIDPdHPIod




Many of these WWII series, whatever their overriding topic, use the same
footage over and over, from series to series. I've seen the same footage
of the Germans attacking Russia and Russia running the Germans out of
their homeland 10 times in 10 different series and, of course, most of
the time you can't really tell what precisely is taking place, where or
when.


So? It was made in what, 1952? All done with expensive film which is
time consuming to develop, splice, etc. Miles and miles of cellulose
nitrate or cellulose acetate. We are just spoiled because of today's
instant digital videos and movies.

Victory at Sea
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/5/2018 7:56 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/5/18 7:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/5/2018 7:19 PM, Bill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 21:58:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:17:43 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:30:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
I'm up to the eighth episode of about 26. Have to admit the
Netflix
"World War II in Color" is much
better. "Victory at Sea" seems to have been produced to build
morale, not
be a documentary of the
war. Much time spent on ships going across the water and main
guns
firing. Actually just a lot of
wasted time where the narrator says nothing.

That's not to say it isn't enjoyable. It is. But I found the
Netflix
version much more so.


Victory at sea was done to honor the veterans.Â*Â* Was done by
the network
after the war, I think, and he each segment wasÂ* shown with no
breaks or
ads.

1952. It is definitely done in a way to promote patriotism. I'm
enjoying
it, but a lot of the
patriotism rendering and time filling with ships riding the seas
could be
spent telling the history.


I think it shows what the sailors went through.Â* Lots of nasty
seas, hours
of boring time and minutes of terror.

That's fine, but don't spend half of every episode doing so!


I loved that show when I was kid.Â* I actually have DVD of the show.
Bought
them years ago for like $10 the set.

Cheaper now. This is what I'm watching. Got it a couple weeks ago
after Mike mentioned it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1




Was years ago, and was in a $10 bin at Walmart.



Here's the complete series on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMOJ05TrdIZA7pNQa5YjrHuPIDPdHPIod




Many of these WWII series, whatever their overriding topic, use the same
footage over and over, from series to series. I've seen the same footage
of the Germans attacking Russia and Russia running the Germans out of
their homeland 10 times in 10 different series and, of course, most of
the time you can't really tell what precisely is taking place, where or
when.


So? It was made in what, 1952? All done with expensive film which is
time consuming to develop, splice, etc. Miles and miles of cellulose
nitrate or cellulose acetate. We are just spoiled because of today's
instant digital videos and movies.




I suppose if accuracy doesn’t matter, “so� is acceptable.

--
Posted with my iPhone 8+.

Victory at Sea
 

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 20:28:18 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/5/2018 7:56 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:


Many of these WWII series, whatever their overriding topic, use the same
footage over and over, from series to series. I've seen the same footage
of the Germans attacking Russia and Russia running the Germans out of
their homeland 10 times in 10 different series and, of course, most of
the time you can't really tell what precisely is taking place, where or
when.


So? It was made in what, 1952? All done with expensive film which is
time consuming to develop, splice, etc. Miles and miles of cellulose
nitrate or cellulose acetate. We are just spoiled because of today's
instant digital videos and movies.




I suppose if accuracy doesn’t matter, “so� is acceptable.

This has not really improved much, even on the news that you are
supposed to believe. I see them grab a stock B roll shot that I have
seen a dozen times and drop it into a current news story.