On 4/23/2018 1:56 PM, UseNet wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


11:40 AMUseNet
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The Nazis love Trump and they are socialists.
,,,,,,,

But Harry always considered the nazis to be “concervetive. I guess it comes down to which part is which.

There, again, Populism misses the boat.

Bismarck (Conservative) created the modern welfare state (Liberal?) in
Germany. After the German Revolution, post WW1, the German
Conservatives wished to create a "New World Order" (isn't that
Liberal?) and happily joined forces with the Nazis (closet
Conservatives that hated Capitalism), which then outlawed all of the
other parties.. including the Conservatives (who apparently hated
liberals more than Socialism).

Amazing how history is rewritten....


Actually, they *all* hated Communism.

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:32:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/23/2018 1:56 PM, UseNet wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


11:40 AMUseNet
- show quoted text -
The Nazis love Trump and they are socialists.
,,,,,,,

But Harry always considered the nazis to be “concervetive. I guess it comes down to which part is which.

There, again, Populism misses the boat.

Bismarck (Conservative) created the modern welfare state (Liberal?) in
Germany. After the German Revolution, post WW1, the German
Conservatives wished to create a "New World Order" (isn't that
Liberal?) and happily joined forces with the Nazis (closet
Conservatives that hated Capitalism), which then outlawed all of the
other parties.. including the Conservatives (who apparently hated
liberals more than Socialism).

Amazing how history is rewritten....


Actually, they *all* hated Communism.


I thought your visitor was a socialist.

On 4/24/2018 3:43 AM, UseNet wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:32:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/23/2018 1:56 PM, UseNet wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


11:40 AMUseNet
- show quoted text -
The Nazis love Trump and they are socialists.
,,,,,,,

But Harry always considered the nazis to be “concervetive. I guess it comes down to which part is which.

There, again, Populism misses the boat.

Bismarck (Conservative) created the modern welfare state (Liberal?) in
Germany. After the German Revolution, post WW1, the German
Conservatives wished to create a "New World Order" (isn't that
Liberal?) and happily joined forces with the Nazis (closet
Conservatives that hated Capitalism), which then outlawed all of the
other parties.. including the Conservatives (who apparently hated
liberals more than Socialism).

Amazing how history is rewritten....


Actually, they *all* hated Communism.


I thought your visitor was a socialist.


I was referring to your comments regarding German Conservatives and
Nazis following WWI.

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:32:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/23/2018 1:56 PM, UseNet wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


11:40 AMUseNet
- show quoted text -
The Nazis love Trump and they are socialists.
,,,,,,,

But Harry always considered the nazis to be “concervetive. I guess it comes down to which part is which.

There, again, Populism misses the boat.

Bismarck (Conservative) created the modern welfare state (Liberal?) in
Germany. After the German Revolution, post WW1, the German
Conservatives wished to create a "New World Order" (isn't that
Liberal?) and happily joined forces with the Nazis (closet
Conservatives that hated Capitalism), which then outlawed all of the
other parties.. including the Conservatives (who apparently hated
liberals more than Socialism).

Amazing how history is rewritten....


Actually, they *all* hated Communism.


Really? In East Germany, after WWII, the Communist Party of Germany
(KPD) and the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) merged to
become the Socialist Unity Party of Germany (SED).

Then...... they all actually did hate Nazis.... seems like everybody
needs somebody to hate. Huh?

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 10:22:28 -0400, UseNet wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:32:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/23/2018 1:56 PM, UseNet wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


11:40 AMUseNet
- show quoted text -
The Nazis love Trump and they are socialists.
,,,,,,,

But Harry always considered the nazis to be “concervetive. I guess it comes down to which part is which.

There, again, Populism misses the boat.

Bismarck (Conservative) created the modern welfare state (Liberal?) in
Germany. After the German Revolution, post WW1, the German
Conservatives wished to create a "New World Order" (isn't that
Liberal?) and happily joined forces with the Nazis (closet
Conservatives that hated Capitalism), which then outlawed all of the
other parties.. including the Conservatives (who apparently hated
liberals more than Socialism).

Amazing how history is rewritten....


Actually, they *all* hated Communism.


Really? In East Germany, after WWII, the Communist Party of Germany
(KPD) and the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) merged to
become the Socialist Unity Party of Germany (SED).

Then...... they all actually did hate Nazis.... seems like everybody
needs somebody to hate. Huh?

Sounds like WWII brought about some changes in attitudes, eh?

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 10:46:36 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 10:22:28 -0400, UseNet wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:32:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/23/2018 1:56 PM, UseNet wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


11:40 AMUseNet
- show quoted text -
The Nazis love Trump and they are socialists.
,,,,,,,

But Harry always considered the nazis to be “concervetive. I guess it comes down to which part is which.

There, again, Populism misses the boat.

Bismarck (Conservative) created the modern welfare state (Liberal?) in
Germany. After the German Revolution, post WW1, the German
Conservatives wished to create a "New World Order" (isn't that
Liberal?) and happily joined forces with the Nazis (closet
Conservatives that hated Capitalism), which then outlawed all of the
other parties.. including the Conservatives (who apparently hated
liberals more than Socialism).

Amazing how history is rewritten....


Actually, they *all* hated Communism.


Really? In East Germany, after WWII, the Communist Party of Germany
(KPD) and the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) merged to
become the Socialist Unity Party of Germany (SED).

Then...... they all actually did hate Nazis.... seems like everybody
needs somebody to hate. Huh?

Sounds like WWII brought about some changes in attitudes, eh?

I don't know if it was attitudes, terms, definitions, or what, but I
find the whole social political phenomenon absolutely confusing.

If a person held strong personal beliefs, how did they reconcile all
of the change and confusion..... I can only make sense of it if they
held a strong identity with [something] and believed only what that
[something] espoused.... however that [something] changed.

Makes me dizzy.....

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 10:22:28 -0400, UseNet wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:32:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/23/2018 1:56 PM, UseNet wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


11:40 AMUseNet
- show quoted text -
The Nazis love Trump and they are socialists.
,,,,,,,

But Harry always considered the nazis to be “concervetive. I guess it comes down to which part is which.

There, again, Populism misses the boat.

Bismarck (Conservative) created the modern welfare state (Liberal?) in
Germany. After the German Revolution, post WW1, the German
Conservatives wished to create a "New World Order" (isn't that
Liberal?) and happily joined forces with the Nazis (closet
Conservatives that hated Capitalism), which then outlawed all of the
other parties.. including the Conservatives (who apparently hated
liberals more than Socialism).

Amazing how history is rewritten....


Actually, they *all* hated Communism.


Really? In East Germany, after WWII, the Communist Party of Germany
(KPD) and the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) merged to
become the Socialist Unity Party of Germany (SED).

Then...... they all actually did hate Nazis.... seems like everybody
needs somebody to hate. Huh?

You have to seriously wonder how many hated the nazis or how many were
just more afraid of the Stasi. It is not like dissent in the DDR was
something you could do.

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 10:59:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 10:22:28 -0400, UseNet wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:32:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/23/2018 1:56 PM, UseNet wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


11:40 AMUseNet
- show quoted text -
The Nazis love Trump and they are socialists.
,,,,,,,

But Harry always considered the nazis to be “concervetive. I guess it comes down to which part is which.

There, again, Populism misses the boat.

Bismarck (Conservative) created the modern welfare state (Liberal?) in
Germany. After the German Revolution, post WW1, the German
Conservatives wished to create a "New World Order" (isn't that
Liberal?) and happily joined forces with the Nazis (closet
Conservatives that hated Capitalism), which then outlawed all of the
other parties.. including the Conservatives (who apparently hated
liberals more than Socialism).

Amazing how history is rewritten....


Actually, they *all* hated Communism.


Really? In East Germany, after WWII, the Communist Party of Germany
(KPD) and the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) merged to
become the Socialist Unity Party of Germany (SED).

Then...... they all actually did hate Nazis.... seems like everybody
needs somebody to hate. Huh?

You have to seriously wonder how many hated the nazis or how many were
just more afraid of the Stasi. It is not like dissent in the DDR was
something you could do.

Well, I certainly understand fearing the Stasi, but they actually went
after Nazis, imprisoning some and making many others ineligible to
hold office.

On 4/24/2018 10:22 AM, UseNet wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:32:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/23/2018 1:56 PM, UseNet wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


11:40 AMUseNet
- show quoted text -
The Nazis love Trump and they are socialists.
,,,,,,,

But Harry always considered the nazis to be “concervetive. I guess it comes down to which part is which.

There, again, Populism misses the boat.

Bismarck (Conservative) created the modern welfare state (Liberal?) in
Germany. After the German Revolution, post WW1, the German
Conservatives wished to create a "New World Order" (isn't that
Liberal?) and happily joined forces with the Nazis (closet
Conservatives that hated Capitalism), which then outlawed all of the
other parties.. including the Conservatives (who apparently hated
liberals more than Socialism).

Amazing how history is rewritten....


Actually, they *all* hated Communism.


Really? In East Germany, after WWII, the Communist Party of Germany
(KPD) and the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) merged to
become the Socialist Unity Party of Germany (SED).

Then...... they all actually did hate Nazis.... seems like everybody
needs somebody to hate. Huh?



You referred to "post WWI" not WWII in your comments (above).

During the years after World War One, when Hitler was gaining
power in 30's, he despised Communism as did the Nazi party.

His idol was actually Benito Mussolini of Italy .. a fascist.

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:21:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/24/2018 10:22 AM, UseNet wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:32:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/23/2018 1:56 PM, UseNet wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 10:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


11:40 AMUseNet
- show quoted text -
The Nazis love Trump and they are socialists.
,,,,,,,

But Harry always considered the nazis to be “concervetive. I guess it comes down to which part is which.

There, again, Populism misses the boat.

Bismarck (Conservative) created the modern welfare state (Liberal?) in
Germany. After the German Revolution, post WW1, the German
Conservatives wished to create a "New World Order" (isn't that
Liberal?) and happily joined forces with the Nazis (closet
Conservatives that hated Capitalism), which then outlawed all of the
other parties.. including the Conservatives (who apparently hated
liberals more than Socialism).

Amazing how history is rewritten....


Actually, they *all* hated Communism.


Really? In East Germany, after WWII, the Communist Party of Germany
(KPD) and the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) merged to
become the Socialist Unity Party of Germany (SED).

Then...... they all actually did hate Nazis.... seems like everybody
needs somebody to hate. Huh?



You referred to "post WWI" not WWII in your comments (above).

During the years after World War One, when Hitler was gaining
power in 30's, he despised Communism as did the Nazi party.

His idol was actually Benito Mussolini of Italy .. a fascist.

Hitler and Mussolini had one thing in common. They wanted to restore
their country to it's prior glory. Hitler just wanted to reach back 50
years or so, Il Duce was looking back more like 1900 years.
It is always a popular position to hold tho, if your citizens feel
like they have been in decline. You only have to look at Putin's real
popularity. It is not likely to be the 80-90% he claims but 60-70% is
not unreasonable based on studies from outside Russia. His message is
popular there.