Keyser Soze
On 4/10/18 9:55 AM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Söze
Tim wrote:
Keyser Söze

...than having your office raided by the FBI is having your lawyer’s office
raided by the FBI.


Nope.



The way you sometimes handle your posts, your response doesn't show up
in a normal usenet reader.

..................

Well so far yours haven’t, twice

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 10:34:49 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/18 10:33 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/10/18 9:55 AM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Söze
Tim wrote:
Keyser Söze

...than having your office raided by the FBI is having your lawyer’s
office
raided by the FBI.Â*


Nope.



The way you sometimes handle your posts, your response doesn't show up
in a normal usenet reader.


The dashes you use tell a usenet client to ignore what comes after.

.... and you don't know how to get around that? Is it ignorance or just
laziness ;-)

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 10:42:16 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/18 8:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:

...than having your office raided by the FBI is having your lawyer’s office
raided by the FBI.



From The Washington Post:

We also know that a search warrant, unlike a grand jury subpoena,
requires prosecutors to go before a federal judge to demonstrate
probable cause that a crime has been committed and evidence of that
crime can be found in the premises to be searched. Before approving a
search of a lawyer’s office, a judge would want to be satisfied that
there was some substance behind the prosecutors’ allegations. This is
not just some prosecutorial fishing expedition; it bears the imprimatur
of a federal judge.

This was not just any search warrant; that the raid took place at a
lawyer’s office further highlights the seriousness of the investigation.
Searches of an attorney’s office are extremely rare and are not favored,
due to their potential to impinge on the attorney-client relationship.
Prosecutors must jump through multiple hoops to get such a warrant
approved, both within their own office and at the criminal division of
Main Justice. (Notably, this would likely have included approval by
Trump’s own guy, the new interim U.S. attorney for the Southern
District, Geoffrey S. Berman, who was just appointed by Attorney General
Jeff Sessions this past January.)

Prosecutors are also required to consider less intrusive alternatives to
a search warrant, such as a subpoena, if practical. Approval of a search
warrant suggests prosecutors were able to demonstrate not only the
gravity of the potential case but also the risk that evidence might be
destroyed or otherwise go missing if they pursued a less aggressive option.

Cohen, and perhaps the president, will likely argue that this raid
violates the attorney-client privilege. Indeed, on Monday evening, Trump
said it was “a disgrace what’s going on.� In a search like this,
prosecutors typically set up a privilege team or “taint team� of
investigators not involved in the case to review potentially privileged
documents and shield those from the team actually involved in the
prosecution. There is an exception to the attorney-client privilege if
communications to an attorney are used in furtherance of a crime or
fraud; that could come into play here as well. And documents related to
anything Cohen did on his own — after all, Trump has denied knowing
about the payment to Daniels — are likely not privileged if they do not
contain attorney-client communications. Documents are not automatically
privileged simply because they passed through an attorney’s hands.

That is beautiful rhetoric but the reality is the US attorney knows
which judges will rubber stamp any warrant they seek.
As I said, if this actually bears fruit and it survives in court it
may be seen as OK but if they fall on their ass, it will be seen as
another abuse of the process.

Where are the Russians again?
It certainly looks like a fishing expedition to me.

I understand if Cohen comes out of this with a parking ticket, you
will claim victory. So will Mueller.

On 4/10/18 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 10:34:49 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/18 10:33 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/10/18 9:55 AM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Söze
Tim wrote:
Keyser Söze

...than having your office raided by the FBI is having your lawyer’s
office
raided by the FBI.Â*


Nope.



The way you sometimes handle your posts, your response doesn't show up
in a normal usenet reader.


The dashes you use tell a usenet client to ignore what comes after.

... and you don't know how to get around that? Is it ignorance or just
laziness ;-)



My usenet client ignores those responses from Tim. I don't care enough
to see if there is a solution on my end.

On 4/10/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 10:42:16 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/18 8:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:

...than having your office raided by the FBI is having your lawyer’s office
raided by the FBI.



From The Washington Post:

We also know that a search warrant, unlike a grand jury subpoena,
requires prosecutors to go before a federal judge to demonstrate
probable cause that a crime has been committed and evidence of that
crime can be found in the premises to be searched. Before approving a
search of a lawyer’s office, a judge would want to be satisfied that
there was some substance behind the prosecutors’ allegations. This is
not just some prosecutorial fishing expedition; it bears the imprimatur
of a federal judge.

This was not just any search warrant; that the raid took place at a
lawyer’s office further highlights the seriousness of the investigation.
Searches of an attorney’s office are extremely rare and are not favored,
due to their potential to impinge on the attorney-client relationship.
Prosecutors must jump through multiple hoops to get such a warrant
approved, both within their own office and at the criminal division of
Main Justice. (Notably, this would likely have included approval by
Trump’s own guy, the new interim U.S. attorney for the Southern
District, Geoffrey S. Berman, who was just appointed by Attorney General
Jeff Sessions this past January.)

Prosecutors are also required to consider less intrusive alternatives to
a search warrant, such as a subpoena, if practical. Approval of a search
warrant suggests prosecutors were able to demonstrate not only the
gravity of the potential case but also the risk that evidence might be
destroyed or otherwise go missing if they pursued a less aggressive option.

Cohen, and perhaps the president, will likely argue that this raid
violates the attorney-client privilege. Indeed, on Monday evening, Trump
said it was “a disgrace what’s going on.� In a search like this,
prosecutors typically set up a privilege team or “taint team� of
investigators not involved in the case to review potentially privileged
documents and shield those from the team actually involved in the
prosecution. There is an exception to the attorney-client privilege if
communications to an attorney are used in furtherance of a crime or
fraud; that could come into play here as well. And documents related to
anything Cohen did on his own — after all, Trump has denied knowing
about the payment to Daniels — are likely not privileged if they do not
contain attorney-client communications. Documents are not automatically
privileged simply because they passed through an attorney’s hands.

That is beautiful rhetoric but the reality is the US attorney knows
which judges will rubber stamp any warrant they seek.
As I said, if this actually bears fruit and it survives in court it
may be seen as OK but if they fall on their ass, it will be seen as
another abuse of the process.

Where are the Russians again?
It certainly looks like a fishing expedition to me.

I understand if Cohen comes out of this with a parking ticket, you
will claim victory. So will Mueller.



Federal judges do not have a reputation for rubber stamping warrants.
Oh, and the U.S. attorney in question in New York is...a Trump appointee.

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 08:07:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Keyser Soze
On 4/10/18 9:55 AM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Söze
Tim wrote:
Keyser Söze

...than having your office raided by the FBI is having your lawyer’s office
raided by the FBI.


Nope.



The way you sometimes handle your posts, your response doesn't show up
in a normal usenet reader.

.................

Well so far yours haven’t, twice

This is just a Google Groups thing but it seems to baffle Harry.

On 4/10/18 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 08:07:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Keyser Soze
On 4/10/18 9:55 AM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Söze
Tim wrote:
Keyser Söze

...than having your office raided by the FBI is having your lawyer’s office
raided by the FBI.


Nope.



The way you sometimes handle your posts, your response doesn't show up
in a normal usenet reader.

.................

Well so far yours haven’t, twice

This is just a Google Groups thing but it seems to baffle Harry.

I don't use google groups and I have no interest in learning about it.

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 11:45:36 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 10:42:16 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/18 8:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:

...than having your office raided by the FBI is having your lawyer’s office
raided by the FBI.



From The Washington Post:

We also know that a search warrant, unlike a grand jury subpoena,
requires prosecutors to go before a federal judge to demonstrate
probable cause that a crime has been committed and evidence of that
crime can be found in the premises to be searched. Before approving a
search of a lawyer’s office, a judge would want to be satisfied that
there was some substance behind the prosecutors’ allegations. This is
not just some prosecutorial fishing expedition; it bears the imprimatur
of a federal judge.

This was not just any search warrant; that the raid took place at a
lawyer’s office further highlights the seriousness of the investigation.
Searches of an attorney’s office are extremely rare and are not favored,
due to their potential to impinge on the attorney-client relationship.
Prosecutors must jump through multiple hoops to get such a warrant
approved, both within their own office and at the criminal division of
Main Justice. (Notably, this would likely have included approval by
Trump’s own guy, the new interim U.S. attorney for the Southern
District, Geoffrey S. Berman, who was just appointed by Attorney General
Jeff Sessions this past January.)

Prosecutors are also required to consider less intrusive alternatives to
a search warrant, such as a subpoena, if practical. Approval of a search
warrant suggests prosecutors were able to demonstrate not only the
gravity of the potential case but also the risk that evidence might be
destroyed or otherwise go missing if they pursued a less aggressive option.

Cohen, and perhaps the president, will likely argue that this raid
violates the attorney-client privilege. Indeed, on Monday evening, Trump
said it was “a disgrace what’s going on.� In a search like this,
prosecutors typically set up a privilege team or “taint team� of
investigators not involved in the case to review potentially privileged
documents and shield those from the team actually involved in the
prosecution. There is an exception to the attorney-client privilege if
communications to an attorney are used in furtherance of a crime or
fraud; that could come into play here as well. And documents related to
anything Cohen did on his own — after all, Trump has denied knowing
about the payment to Daniels — are likely not privileged if they do not
contain attorney-client communications. Documents are not automatically
privileged simply because they passed through an attorney’s hands.

That is beautiful rhetoric but the reality is the US attorney knows
which judges will rubber stamp any warrant they seek.
As I said, if this actually bears fruit and it survives in court it
may be seen as OK but if they fall on their ass, it will be seen as
another abuse of the process.

Where are the Russians again?
It certainly looks like a fishing expedition to me.

I understand if Cohen comes out of this with a parking ticket, you
will claim victory. So will Mueller.



Federal judges do not have a reputation for rubber stamping warrants.

Maybe they should

Oh, and the U.S. attorney in question in New York is...a Trump appointee.

and you said all of his appointments were bad ;-)

wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 11:45:36 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 10:42:16 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/18 8:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:

...than having your office raided by the FBI is having your lawyer’s office
raided by the FBI.



From The Washington Post:

We also know that a search warrant, unlike a grand jury subpoena,
requires prosecutors to go before a federal judge to demonstrate
probable cause that a crime has been committed and evidence of that
crime can be found in the premises to be searched. Before approving a
search of a lawyer’s office, a judge would want to be satisfied that
there was some substance behind the prosecutors’ allegations. This is
not just some prosecutorial fishing expedition; it bears the imprimatur
of a federal judge.

This was not just any search warrant; that the raid took place at a
lawyer’s office further highlights the seriousness of the investigation.
Searches of an attorney’s office are extremely rare and are not favored,
due to their potential to impinge on the attorney-client relationship.
Prosecutors must jump through multiple hoops to get such a warrant
approved, both within their own office and at the criminal division of
Main Justice. (Notably, this would likely have included approval by
Trump’s own guy, the new interim U.S. attorney for the Southern
District, Geoffrey S. Berman, who was just appointed by Attorney General
Jeff Sessions this past January.)

Prosecutors are also required to consider less intrusive alternatives to
a search warrant, such as a subpoena, if practical. Approval of a search
warrant suggests prosecutors were able to demonstrate not only the
gravity of the potential case but also the risk that evidence might be
destroyed or otherwise go missing if they pursued a less aggressive option.

Cohen, and perhaps the president, will likely argue that this raid
violates the attorney-client privilege. Indeed, on Monday evening, Trump
said it was “a disgrace what’s going on.� In a search like this,
prosecutors typically set up a privilege team or “taint team� of
investigators not involved in the case to review potentially privileged
documents and shield those from the team actually involved in the
prosecution. There is an exception to the attorney-client privilege if
communications to an attorney are used in furtherance of a crime or
fraud; that could come into play here as well. And documents related to
anything Cohen did on his own — after all, Trump has denied knowing
about the payment to Daniels — are likely not privileged if they do not
contain attorney-client communications. Documents are not automatically
privileged simply because they passed through an attorney’s hands.

That is beautiful rhetoric but the reality is the US attorney knows
which judges will rubber stamp any warrant they seek.
As I said, if this actually bears fruit and it survives in court it
may be seen as OK but if they fall on their ass, it will be seen as
another abuse of the process.

Where are the Russians again?
It certainly looks like a fishing expedition to me.

I understand if Cohen comes out of this with a parking ticket, you
will claim victory. So will Mueller.



Federal judges do not have a reputation for rubber stamping warrants.

Maybe they should

Oh, and the U.S. attorney in question in New York is...a Trump appointee.

and you said all of his appointments were bad ;-)


Chris Christie, that paragon of virtue, says he is a “boy scout.� I assume
that is a compliment.

--
Posted with my iPhone 8+.

10:59
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 08:07:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
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This is just a Google Groups thing but it seems to baffle Harry.
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Evidently so, Greg.