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New Lincoln Navigator
Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80 away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though. Starts at $76K. $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators. She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. |
New Lincoln Navigator
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:05:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80 away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though. Starts at $76K. $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators. She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Here's what Consumer Reports has to say: The redesigned Navigator differentiates itself from its Ford Expedition sibling by piling on the luxury touches on this almost $90,000 behemoth. This hulking SUV can accommodate up to eight people, although it’s so large it’s probably overkill for most buyers -- unless they need to tow upwards of four tons. While the Navigator pampers occupants with power everything and a rich interior ambience, there are some deficiencies that detract from a great experience. A 3.5-liter V6 turbo makes a healthy 411 horsepower on regular fuel, and it’s mated to a mostly smooth 10-speed automatic transmission. (Lincoln says the engine makes 450 hp when premium fuel is used.) That abundant power scooted our four-wheel-drive Navigator to 60 mph in just 6.2 seconds. Its 16 mpg overall is on par with similar large SUVs, but that's nothing to write home about. The continuously adjustable suspension handles bumps quite well, but the handling feels floaty and disconnected in turns. The SUV’s imposing width means drivers need to take extra care on narrow streets or bridges, lest a side mirror get lopped off. Passengers climbing up into this rig are helped by powered running boards that help immensely in climbing up or descending from the Navigator’s seats, given how tall the vehicle sits. Those running boards greet occupants automatically upon approach (or exit), then retract back into the body. The opulent cabin is full of leather, wood, and chrome. We found the modern-looking front seats uncomfortable. Many testers complained about the short bottom cushion, others said the seat created painful pressure points on long journeys. The optional Perfect Position 30-way seat option adds more adjustments and a massage feature. But at this price, we expect a perfect seat from the get-go. At least the second-row captain’s chairs are large and accommodating, with seat heating and individual USB ports. Even the third row is spacious enough for adults. It has convenient power-folding operation, controlled by buttons in the cargo bay. Beginning any trip in the Navigator requires fiddling with the electronic gear selector, an unintuitive row of chrome buttons on the center dash. It requires the driver to make a long reach, carefully decipher the buttons, and they’ll need the dexterity of a pianist. This unconventional gear selector proved to be a real pain when parking. Most other controls are easy to use, including the vivid and responsive Sync 3 infotainment system. One reason to buy the Navigator is its impressive, four-ton tow rating. The optional heavy-duty towing package includes a feature that simplifies backing up with a trailer, allowing the driver to direct the vehicle with a knob while the SUV uses the automated parking ability and rearview camera to take care of the actual steering. Forward-collision warning and automatic emergency braking are not offered on the base trim, and they are optional on the Reserve and Select. It is odd for these important systems are not standard on a vehicle that starts at more than $72,000). Driving Experience Handling The Navigator is clumsy through corners. It feels floaty and disconnected. Every kink or curve requires deliberate slowing, along with plenty of steering-wheel twirling. It has pronounced body lean, and the steering is light but vague. The Navigator was clearly out its element around CR’s test track, invoking references to a roly-poly toy. Its stability control kicked in aggressively and early to keep the luxury liner on its intended course. It posted a modest 47 mph through our avoidance maneuver, but remained under control. Powertrain The turbo V6 engine and 10-speed automatic do a commendable job of making the Navigator feel effortless and punchy. Even a small push on the gas pedal results in decisive forward thrust. While the engine is rated at 450 hp on premium fuel, the manufacturer doesn’t require its use. Output using regular fuel is 411 hp, which is the grade of fuel we used for testing. Regardless, the power difference is of little consequence in the real world, as those horsepower numbers are measured at a high rpm. Even on regular gas, the Navigator leapt to 60 mph in just 6.2 seconds in our testing -- an impressive number considering its size and weight. Towing When equipped with the heavy-duty towing package the Navigator can tow up to 8,300 pounds. Off-road Despite low-range gearing, the Navigator is not designed for serious off-roading because of its low front valance, 22-inch wheels, and low-profile tires that are prone to damage. Ride comfort The Navigator’s body rocks back and forth noticeably at low speeds, but once past 25 mph or so the Lincoln settles down as its automatically adjustable suspension keeps it composed. Even though it rides on mammoth 22-inch tires, bump absorption is quite good. Noise The vast cabin is very quiet. There’s hardly a trace of any road or wind noise, and the turbo V6 engine sounds sedate and relaxed compared to the brawny V8 growl of the competing Cadillac Escalade. Braking The Navigator turned in a disappointing braking performance, with long stops under both wet and dry conditions. The brake pedal was a bit spongy and had a lot of travel, both of which take away some driver confidence in its stopping abilities. Headlights The standard LED headlights are bright and do a very good job of lighting up the road ahead. Automatic on/off high beams are an option on top trims, which can help drivers take advantage of the added high beam light more often since it turns them on and off for you as needed. Inside The Cabin Interior fit and finish The Navigator’s cabin exudes an elegant air, with opulent leather and wood trim; chrome; a beautiful infotainment display; and a big instrument panel in front of the driver. A large panel of wood trim across the dashboard makes the Navigator feel special, along with numerous padded sections. The entire door, for instance, is a combination of soft-touch, wood, chrome, or glossy black trim. The glove box is lined with felt, as are some cubbies and the center armrest bin. The twin center armrests have a bit of a cheap-feeling opening mechanism, though, one of the few weak points inside the vehicle. Controls throughout the Navigator have a nice look and feel, including the window switches, chrome knobs, steering wheel buttons and rocker switches, and even the steering column stalks. The front- and second-row seats are covered with supple, perforated leather, but Lincoln skipped the perforation in the third row. The headliner is nice, but at this price point a more premium material is expected, such as some suede or Alcantara. Driving position There’s plenty of room everywhere in the Navigator, including headroom, elbow room, a good left footrest position, and even lots of right knee room for the driver. If a tall driver finds their knee brushing against the center console, the sides are covered with padded leather. The power-adjustable steering wheel and pedals help drivers of all sizes find the optimum position. The high seating position allows the driver to see far out over the hood. Visibility Considering how enormous the Navigator is, the front and side views are actually pretty good -- even with its thick windshield pillars, large mirrors, and bulky side pillars. Huge side windows help the view a lot. The rear window is wide but not all that tall. The third-row headrests, when dropped, don’t hurt visibility. All Navigators come standard with rear parking sensors -- a welcome feature when trying to maneuver such a big truck into a tight spot. Blind-spot warning also comes standard across the board. A handy 360-degree, bird’s-eye-view camera system comes on the second-tier Select trim and up. Seat comfort and access The Navigator has retracting running boards that come down as the driver approaches the vehicle, responding to the key fob. These running boards help immensely considering the vehicle’s height. The door openings are huge and there is plenty of room to climb in. We found the front seats’ bottom cushion too short to give optimal thigh support and because the front edge can’t be adjusted up or down, it can create uncomfortable pressure points for shorter drivers. These fancy-looking seats appear to be highly adjustable but are not -- the two-way lumbar adjustment on the standard 10-way power seat is disappointing in such an expensive vehicle, given that some cars at half the price have four-way adjustment. Buyers have to opt for the 24-way (standard on Reserve trim) or the 30-way seat options if they want to improve seat comfort. (Or buy the similar, less-expensive Ford Expedition.) Accessing the second row is much like getting in the front -- using the retractable running boards eases the entry. Door openings are large and there is plenty of floor space. The second-row captain’s chairs are firm and very comfortable, slide fore/aft and recline, and there’s lots of room all around. Getting into the third row is also fairly easy -- a one-handed flip of a lever on the second-row seat slides it up and out of the way, creating a decent pathway, even for adults. The seat is flat and hard, but wide enough for two or three adults. Taller passengers will find knee and footroom a little snug once the second row is put back into place, but kids should have more than enough space. Controls and displays The most off-putting part about the Navigator’s controls is the unintuitive gear selector setup; it requires deciphering before deciding which button to push. Even after becoming familiar with how it works, it can be very frustrating, particularly during parking maneuvers that require going back and forth between Reverse and Drive. The start button is also a reach for drivers, and its odd, high-and-away placement often led drivers to mistake the trailer assist knob for the starter button. A confusing layout of controls on the door caused us to occasionally fold the outside mirrors when we were attempting to adjust them. A tablet-like 10-inch touch screen is perched on the dash, serving as the main gateway for audio, phone, navigation, and other features. The large screen benefits from easy-to-read text and a clear task bar for audio, phone, and navigation. The instrument panel cluster can be customized to display trip, fuel economy, trailer information, and phone tasks while using steering wheel shortcuts. The optional head-up display shows speed, temperature, fuel, and adaptive cruise control and lane-keeping information directly in front of the driver. Audio system The base system comes with a large, 10-inch Sync 3 touch screen and a 14-speaker audio system. It supports Android Auto and Apple CarPlay, as well as AppLink capability. Lincoln Connect telematics with WiFi hotspot capability is also standard. A 20-speaker audio system is available for the Reserve and standard on the Black Label. Navigation Lincoln supports the popular Waze app with Apple iOS through AppLink. The standard built-in navigation system works well. It conveniently displays key information on the home screen in addition to the dedicated map screen. Satellite traffic service is free for five years, providing live traffic updates and rerouting options based on current traffic conditions. Phone Paired phones can be controlled using steering wheel controls, with the corresponding action displayed in the instrument cluster, momentarily minimizing other gauges to help minimize distraction. Connectivity A CD player is optional. Two USB ports and a wireless charging pad come standard up front, along with two charge-only ports for the second and third rows. Lincoln Connect telematics provides emergency crash notification, remote lock/unlock/start via a smartphone app, and tracking of the vehicle’s location and status. Kid-friendly features The optional second-row entertainment system consists of two 10-inch touch screens. Each can be connected to a smartphone wirelessly or play media through an SD card, HDMI port, or a USB port. Those who own a Slingbox can watch their TV channels on the go. Climate features As is the case with most premium-priced SUVs, the Navigator (particularly with the second-tier Select trim and above) comes packed to the gills with standard climate features, such as a dual-zone automatic system up front, heated steering wheel and front seats, and a full-featured rear climate-control system with heated rear seats. Interestingly, the premium-level Ford Expedition Max Limited costs about $11,000 less than our Navigator but came with cooled/vented front seats, which our Lincoln lacks. Cabin storage Just below the center console is a series of large open trays that can handle tablets, phones, and purses. There’s also a deep covered storage bin under the padded armrest between the seats. Cup holders Front passengers get two cup holders in the center console. Second-row seaters can use two cup holders that pop out of the bottom of the center console. Those back in the third row have cup holders built into the outboard elbow rests. All four doors have built-in bottle holders. Cargo area There’s an abundance of cargo- and people-hauling versatility on hand. A powered hands-free liftgate is standard. If drivers (or passengers) have the key fob on them, a kicking motion under the center of the rear bumper powers open the liftgate -- a big help when hands are full. Even when all the seats are occupied there is still enough room behind the third row for a few duffle bags, and there is a small storage area under the cargo floor. Buttons in the cargo area power the second- and third-row seats down flat, making the Navigator a great large-item hauler. The cargo floor is pretty high, though. The power liftgate can be adjusted to accommodate different garage heights. The glass section of the liftgate can open alone, which may help with hauling long items. Spare tire A full-size temporary spare tire is standard across all trims. The spare tire size is dissimilar to the vehicle’s tire size, though, and therefore is only meant to be used for a short time. Safety & Driver Assist Systems Crash-test results Neither NHTSA nor the IIHS have crashed tested the Navigator. Crash-avoidance systems Blind-spot warning with rear cross-traffic warning is standard across all trims. An optional package is required to get forward-collision warning, automatic emergency braking, and lane-keeping assist. Forward-collision warning and automatic emergency braking with pedestrian detection -- These systems help reduce the likelihood and severity of frontal crashes and are active above 3 mph, with the ability to detect pedestrians up to 50 mph. The system has three levels At the first sign of a collision it alerts the driver with visual and audible warnings. Next, it pre-charges the brakes. If no action is taken by the driver, the final step is automatic emergency braking. Blind-spot warning -- This system alerts the driver to vehicles in an adjacent lane that may be difficult to see. A yellow dot in the outside mirror lights up if a car is detected alongside. The dot will start flashing if attempting to merge into an adjacent lane and a vehicle is detected. Rear-cross traffic warning -- When in Reverse, it will sound an audible alert along with a message in front of the driver indicating whether the vehicle is approaching from the right or left of the rear of the vehicle. Lane-keeping assist -- The system works above 40 mph and can be set up as an alert, a lane-keeping aid, or both. The alert comes as a steering vibration as the vehicle leaves its lane. The aid setting will apply slight steering correction to keep the vehicle in its current lane. Child safety Wide belt anchor spacing makes some car seat installations extremely challenging to get a secure fit. Lower LATCH anchors in the second-row captain’s chairs are hidden behind stiff cushions, making them more difficult to access than in the third row, where the anchors are more exposed. Rear-facing infant seats can fit in the third row if the second row is locked in its forward or mid-track positions. Rear head restraints in the second row may need to be removed for boosters to sit flush against the seatback. Warranty All cars come with basic warranty coverage, also known as a bumper-to-bumper warranty. This protects consumers against unexpected problems with non-wear items. Powertrain warranty protects against engine and transmission troubles. Rust through, or corrosion warranty, covers rust to non-damaged components. Roadside aid provides on-location assistance in case of a breakdown and may include limited towing services. Extended warranties provide peace of mind. Owners of models known to have worse-than-average predicted reliability can mitigate risks with an extended warranty. Generally, we recommend buying a model with better-than-average reliability and skipping this expensive add on. If you do buy an extended warranty, it is key to read the small print to understand what is covered and where you can bring the car for repairs. Basic (years/miles) 4/50,000 Powertrain (years/miles) 6/70,000 Rust through (years/miles) 5/unlimited Roadside aid (years/miles) 6/70,000 |
New Lincoln Navigator
Wow John. Look at the length of that cut n paste? You trying to out do Harry? Lol!!
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New Lincoln Navigator
On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, Â*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. |
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On 3/31/18 9:47 AM, Tim wrote:
Wow John. Look at the length of that cut n paste? You trying to out do Harry? Lol!! It's the "lol" guy...d'uh. |
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8:50 AMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. ,,, It's the "d’uh" guy...lol. |
New Lincoln Navigator
On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 9:50:38 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, Â*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. Oh, look... it's the jingle writer that thinks he's a mechanical engineer. |
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 06:47:13 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
Wow John. Look at the length of that cut n paste? You trying to out do Harry? Lol!! I just hope I didn't offend anyone with all the political horse**** therein! |
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"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80 away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though. Starts at $76K. $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators. She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Until she can see out the back of one. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 3/31/18 9:47 AM, Tim wrote: Wow John. Look at the length of that cut n paste? You trying to out do Harry? Lol!! It's the "lol" guy...d'uh. It's the d'uh guy... snerk -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 3/31/2018 11:20 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 9:50:38 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, Â*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. Oh, look... it's the jingle writer that thinks he's a mechanical engineer. There's a bit of a difference between Harry's Tacoma 3.5L V6 and the Navigator's 3.5L V6. The most important is torque. Harry has about 260 lb ft. The Navigator has over 500. That's as much and in some cases *more* torque than many of the six cylinder diesels used in some pickups. |
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On 3/31/2018 12:04 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80 away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though. Starts at $76K. $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators. She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Until she can see out the back of one. She only worries about what's in front of her and often doesn't take that too seriously. |
New Lincoln Navigator
On 3/31/18 12:04 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80 away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though. Starts at $76K. $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators. She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Until she can see out the back of one. Base curb weight, 5,926 pounds. I guessed three tons. Damned close. The "L" model is more than three tons. Crikey. It weighs more than a new Rolls-Royce, which has a Twin Turbo Premium Unleaded V-12 engine with twice the displacement. The Rolls puts out 624 bhp. |
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80 away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though. Starts at $76K. $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators. She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. Why would someone who can't afford one be concerned about the weight and engine longevity. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 3/31/18 12:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/31/2018 11:20 AM, Its Me wrote: On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 9:50:38 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, Â* Â*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. Oh, look... it's the jingle writer that thinks he's a mechanical engineer. There's a bit of a difference between Harry's Tacoma 3.5L V6 and the Navigator's 3.5L V6.Â* The most important is torque.Â* Harry has about 260 lb ft.Â* The Navigator has over 500.Â* That's as much and in some cases *more* torque than many of the six cylinder diesels used in some pickups. Coming out of a small displacement engine for a vehicle that weighs three tons. I'm surprised Lincoln didn't go with four turbos. :) |
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Keyser Soze
- show quoted text - Base curb weight, 5,926 pounds. I guessed three tons. Damned close. The "L" model is more than three tons. Crikey. It weighs more than a new Rolls-Royce, which has a Twin Turbo Premium Unleaded V-12 engine with twice the displacement. The Rolls puts out 624 bhp. .... Put things in perspective Harry. The best Lincoln costs less than a 3rd of the cheapest Of today’s Rolls offerings. https://www.caranddriver.com/rolls-royce |
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On 3/31/2018 12:19 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/31/18 12:04 PM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, Â*Â* 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Until she can see out the back of one. Base curb weight, 5,926 pounds. I guessed three tons. Damned close. The "L" model is more than three tons. Crikey. It weighs more than a new Rolls-Royce, which has a Twin Turbo Premium Unleaded V-12 engine with twice the displacement. The Rolls puts out 624 bhp. Only found one model with that hp rating ... the Rolls-Royce Wraith. Pricing *starts* at $312K. |
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On 3/31/2018 12:21 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/31/18 12:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/31/2018 11:20 AM, Its Me wrote: On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 9:50:38 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, Â* Â*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. Oh, look... it's the jingle writer that thinks he's a mechanical engineer. There's a bit of a difference between Harry's Tacoma 3.5L V6 and the Navigator's 3.5L V6.Â* The most important is torque.Â* Harry has about 260 lb ft.Â* The Navigator has over 500.Â* That's as much and in some cases *more* torque than many of the six cylinder diesels used in some pickups. Coming out of a small displacement engine for a vehicle that weighs three tons. I'm surprised Lincoln didn't go with four turbos.Â* :) 10 speed transmission helps a lot. |
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"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/31/2018 12:21 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/31/18 12:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/31/2018 11:20 AM, Its Me wrote: On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 9:50:38 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80 away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though. Starts at $76K. $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators. She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. Oh, look... it's the jingle writer that thinks he's a mechanical engineer. There's a bit of a difference between Harry's Tacoma 3.5L V6 and the Navigator's 3.5L V6. The most important is torque. Harry has about 260 lb ft. The Navigator has over 500. That's as much and in some cases *more* torque than many of the six cylinder diesels used in some pickups. Coming out of a small displacement engine for a vehicle that weighs three tons. I'm surprised Lincoln didn't go with four turbos. :) 10 speed transmission helps a lot. Harry still thinks " if its good enough for Harry it should be good enough for everyone." ?? -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:50:35 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, Â*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. It does 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds. That doesn't seem to be underpowered. I doubt Mrs E will keep it long enough to wear out the engine. |
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 12:17:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/31/2018 11:20 AM, Its Me wrote: On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 9:50:38 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, *6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though.* Starts at $76K.* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.* She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. Oh, look... it's the jingle writer that thinks he's a mechanical engineer. There's a bit of a difference between Harry's Tacoma 3.5L V6 and the Navigator's 3.5L V6. The most important is torque. Harry has about 260 lb ft. The Navigator has over 500. That's as much and in some cases *more* torque than many of the six cylinder diesels used in some pickups. Had you already seen the CR review? |
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On 3/31/2018 1:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 12:17:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/31/2018 11:20 AM, Its Me wrote: On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 9:50:38 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, Â*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. Oh, look... it's the jingle writer that thinks he's a mechanical engineer. There's a bit of a difference between Harry's Tacoma 3.5L V6 and the Navigator's 3.5L V6. The most important is torque. Harry has about 260 lb ft. The Navigator has over 500. That's as much and in some cases *more* torque than many of the six cylinder diesels used in some pickups. Had you already seen the CR review? I read the one you posted. The ones I read were from Car and Driver, Motor Trend, Edmunds, etc. They had very little bad to say about it. In fact, they really think Ford out did themselves on the 2018 model. Got a kick out of the Car and Driver review. They tried to get a 2018 Cadillac Escalade to do a comparison test with the new Navigator. When Cadillac found out what the comparison test would be between they refused to provide an Escalade for the tests. |
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On Saturday, 31 March 2018 14:41:41 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/31/2018 1:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 12:17:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/31/2018 11:20 AM, Its Me wrote: On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 9:50:38 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator.. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, Â*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition.. Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past. |
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 13:41:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/31/2018 1:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 12:17:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/31/2018 11:20 AM, Its Me wrote: On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 9:50:38 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, *6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though.* Starts at $76K.* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.* She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. Oh, look... it's the jingle writer that thinks he's a mechanical engineer. There's a bit of a difference between Harry's Tacoma 3.5L V6 and the Navigator's 3.5L V6. The most important is torque. Harry has about 260 lb ft. The Navigator has over 500. That's as much and in some cases *more* torque than many of the six cylinder diesels used in some pickups. Had you already seen the CR review? I read the one you posted. The ones I read were from Car and Driver, Motor Trend, Edmunds, etc. They had very little bad to say about it. In fact, they really think Ford out did themselves on the 2018 model. Got a kick out of the Car and Driver review. They tried to get a 2018 Cadillac Escalade to do a comparison test with the new Navigator. When Cadillac found out what the comparison test would be between they refused to provide an Escalade for the tests. Cadillacs are not well thought of by CR. |
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On 31 Mar 2018 17:52:42 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:50:35 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, *6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though.* Starts at $76K.* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.* She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. It does 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds. That doesn't seem to be underpowered. I doubt Mrs E will keep it long enough to wear out the engine. I wasn’t questioning the horsepower output, but the wisdom of powering a three ton car with a small engine. Guess what, Krause - you're not qualified to question the wisdom. |
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justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80 away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though. Starts at $76K. $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators. She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. Why would someone who can't afford one be concerned about the weight and engine longevity. Why would I want a whale of a car? -- Posted with my iPad Pro Nobody asked you if you want one. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 3/31/2018 1:52 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80 away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though. Starts at $76K. $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators. She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. Why would someone who can't afford one be concerned about the weight and engine longevity. Why would I want a whale of a car? I don't. Mrs.E. is the one who likes them. |
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On 3/31/18 5:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/31/2018 1:52 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. Why would someone who can't afford one be concerned about the Â* weight and engine longevity. Why would I want a whale of a car? I don't.Â* Mrs.E. is the one who likes them. Even with the visual aids, it must be a bitch to park that aircraft carrier. I watched a video review of it, though...has a really nice interior. It would be a nice car for a long trip on the Interstate...but I really despise those sorts of long drives. Hell, five to five and a half hours to New Haven or nine and a half hours to Hilton Head is the limit of my tolerance for that sort of driving. |
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On 3/31/2018 1:52 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:50:35 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, Â*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. It does 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds. That doesn't seem to be underpowered. I doubt Mrs E will keep it long enough to wear out the engine. I wasn’t questioning the horsepower output, but the wisdom of powering a three ton car with a small engine. I don't know enough about cars to comment intelligently however I don't think today's engines suffer from the "worn out" issues of those of the past. Geared properly (10 speed transmission) I don't think the Navigator V6 is working much harder than the V6 in my Canyon that has an eight speed transmission or the V6 in your Tacoma. The twin turbo makes it more complex for sure but modern turbos have a decent reputation for longevity. Lots of cars and trucks have them. In the old days the main reason an engine "wore out" (except for a catastrophic failure) was due to worn rings, cylinders and valves. Their condition was manifested by burning oil, leaving blue clouds of smoke and running rough with a cylinder or two missing due to lack of compression. You don't see that much anymore due to advances in material sciences and hard coatings on the cylinder walls, rings and valves. Lots of cars and trucks are used daily now-a-days with 150K to 200K miles on them and they don't burn any oil. |
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 17:39:12 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 3/31/18 5:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/31/2018 1:52 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though.* Starts at $76K.* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.* She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. Why would someone who can't afford one be concerned about the * weight and engine longevity. Why would I want a whale of a car? I don't.* Mrs.E. is the one who likes them. Even with the visual aids, it must be a bitch to park that aircraft carrier. I watched a video review of it, though...has a really nice interior. It would be a nice car for a long trip on the Interstate...but I really despise those sorts of long drives. Hell, five to five and a half hours to New Haven or nine and a half hours to Hilton Head is the limit of my tolerance for that sort of driving. === You should be able to make New Haven in 3 or 4 days with that imaginary twin diesel yacht of yours. There's nothing quite like that entrance into New York harbor as you go north on the Jersey coast. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On 3/31/18 5:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/31/2018 1:52 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:50:35 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, Â*Â*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. It does 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds. That doesn't seem to be underpowered. I doubt Mrs E will keep it long enough to wear out the engine. I wasn’t questioning the horsepower output, but the wisdom of powering a three ton car with a small engine. I don't know enough about cars to comment intelligently however I don't think today's engines suffer from the "worn out" issues of those of the past.Â* Geared properly (10 speed transmission)Â* I don't think the Navigator V6 is working much harder than the V6 in my Canyon that has an eight speed transmission or the V6 in your Tacoma.Â* The twin turbo makes it more complex for sure but modern turbos have a decent reputation for longevity. Lots of cars and trucks have them. In the old days the main reason an engine "wore out" (except for a catastrophic failure) was due to worn rings, cylinders and valves. Their condition was manifested by burning oil, leaving blue clouds of smoke and running rough with a cylinder or two missing due to lack of compression.Â* You don't see that much anymore due to advances in material sciences and hard coatings on the cylinder walls, rings and valves.Â* Lots of cars and trucks are used daily now-a-days with 150K to 200K miles on them and they don't burn any oil. You probably are right. Pretty soon we'll be seeing one liter engines zipping "funny cars" down the dragstrip! |
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:05:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80 away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though. Starts at $76K. $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators. She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. === They must be really boosting the heck out of that thing with the turbos to get that kind of power and torque from a 210 cubic inch engine. I wouldn't want to be towing up a lot of hills with it but I suppose most people will not use it that way. It will be interesting to see if head gasket failures start showing up as a weak link in the reliability reports. My wife's E320 has a slightly smaller V6 turbo diesel which is rated at much less horsepower but 400 ft-lbs of torque. It really launches when the turbo kicks in. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 17:50:45 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 17:39:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/31/18 5:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/31/2018 1:52 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80* away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though.* Starts at $76K.* $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators.* She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. Why would someone who can't afford one be concerned about the * weight and engine longevity. Why would I want a whale of a car? I don't.* Mrs.E. is the one who likes them. Even with the visual aids, it must be a bitch to park that aircraft carrier. I watched a video review of it, though...has a really nice interior. It would be a nice car for a long trip on the Interstate...but I really despise those sorts of long drives. Hell, five to five and a half hours to New Haven or nine and a half hours to Hilton Head is the limit of my tolerance for that sort of driving. === You should be able to make New Haven in 3 or 4 days with that imaginary twin diesel yacht of yours. There's nothing quite like that entrance into New York harbor as you go north on the Jersey coast. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com I suppose he's got a boom derrick to hoist his Ducati aboard. |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80 away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though. Starts at $76K. $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators. She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. The auto industry has come a long way. Look at all of the 4cyl 2 liter turbos moving large cars now. Years ago a turbo was an expense waiting to happen. Now they are very common and built well. |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/31/18 12:04 PM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80 away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though. Starts at $76K. $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators. She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Until she can see out the back of one. Base curb weight, 5,926 pounds. I guessed three tons. Damned close. The "L" model is more than three tons. Crikey. It weighs more than a new Rolls-Royce, which has a Twin Turbo Premium Unleaded V-12 engine with twice the displacement. The Rolls puts out 624 bhp. What's your point? |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator. Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including the Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80 away with this one. 3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission, 6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition. Quite a price tag though. Starts at $76K. $96K typical. Mrs.E. loves Navigators. She has had three of them in the past. Gotta keep her away from this one. Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an aircraft carrier. Why would someone who can't afford one be concerned about the weight and engine longevity. Why would I want a whale of a car? Who asked? If you aren't in the market for one, why comment at all? You really have to work on that narcissism, Krause. |
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