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Fight bullets with rocks?
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Fight bullets with rocks?
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: What could possibly go wrong, right? https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/...e-these-rocks/ It is not the worst idea in the world. If 30 people were throwing baseball sized rocks at the shooter, it would certainly disrupt his concentration and if 4 or 5 of them charged him in the confusion and started bashing his head in with the rocks it would spoil his day. This is certainly the last ditch effort to save yourself but it is a credible effort if the victims had the violence of action to actually do it. Combine that with a decent defensive action plan and the bad guy is going to lose that fight. My problem with "ALICE" is "Counter" should be the last choice but is screws up the acronym. In that TV spot they did on the school that really has a defensive plan, the easiest and perhaps most effective part is every classroom has a defensive zone marked in the floor where you can't be seen or hit from the hall. If your prime defenders were along that wall near the door. the shooter doesn't see them until they see him and they have surprise on their side. Better be wearing heavy gloves if you are trying a "disarm" tho. That barrel will be smoking. Of course it is best if the door is locked and the shooter is out in the hall (another part of that school's plan). |
Fight bullets with rocks?
On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 8:06:49 AM UTC-5, The Last Boater on USENET wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 01:31:49 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: What could possibly go wrong, right? https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/...e-these-rocks/ It is not the worst idea in the world. If 30 people were throwing baseball sized rocks at the shooter, it would certainly disrupt his concentration and if 4 or 5 of them charged him in the confusion and started bashing his head in with the rocks it would spoil his day. This is certainly the last ditch effort to save yourself but it is a credible effort if the victims had the violence of action to actually do it. Combine that with a decent defensive action plan and the bad guy is going to lose that fight. My problem with "ALICE" is "Counter" should be the last choice but is screws up the acronym. In that TV spot they did on the school that really has a defensive plan, the easiest and perhaps most effective part is every classroom has a defensive zone marked in the floor where you can't be seen or hit from the hall. If your prime defenders were along that wall near the door. the shooter doesn't see them until they see him and they have surprise on their side. Better be wearing heavy gloves if you are trying a "disarm" tho. That barrel will be smoking. Of course it is best if the door is locked and the shooter is out in the hall (another part of that school's plan). Throwing rocks. No different than "bringing a knife to a gun fight" and up until now that has been used to illustrate a really bad idea. Now, we embrace it! If nothing else, when they should be seeking cover, they will be foolishly emboldened to stand their ground, making themselves better targets. Gotta go with Tim.... -Gene Twenty years from now you will be more disppointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain 1987 23' Grady-White Gulfstream 2004 17' G3 CC 1756 Out of Shallotte, NC Hello, buddy! |
Fight bullets with rocks?
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 06:13:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 8:06:49 AM UTC-5, The Last Boater on USENET wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 01:31:49 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: What could possibly go wrong, right? https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/...e-these-rocks/ It is not the worst idea in the world. If 30 people were throwing baseball sized rocks at the shooter, it would certainly disrupt his concentration and if 4 or 5 of them charged him in the confusion and started bashing his head in with the rocks it would spoil his day. This is certainly the last ditch effort to save yourself but it is a credible effort if the victims had the violence of action to actually do it. Combine that with a decent defensive action plan and the bad guy is going to lose that fight. My problem with "ALICE" is "Counter" should be the last choice but is screws up the acronym. In that TV spot they did on the school that really has a defensive plan, the easiest and perhaps most effective part is every classroom has a defensive zone marked in the floor where you can't be seen or hit from the hall. If your prime defenders were along that wall near the door. the shooter doesn't see them until they see him and they have surprise on their side. Better be wearing heavy gloves if you are trying a "disarm" tho. That barrel will be smoking. Of course it is best if the door is locked and the shooter is out in the hall (another part of that school's plan). Throwing rocks. No different than "bringing a knife to a gun fight" and up until now that has been used to illustrate a really bad idea. Now, we embrace it! If nothing else, when they should be seeking cover, they will be foolishly emboldened to stand their ground, making themselves better targets. Gotta go with Tim.... -Gene Twenty years from now you will be more disppointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain 1987 23' Grady-White Gulfstream 2004 17' G3 CC 1756 Out of Shallotte, NC Hello, buddy! How's it going! Been years since I looked around in here. Looks like everybody left except for, well, you know.... -Gene Twenty years from now you will be more disppointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain 1987 23' Grady-White Gulfstream 2004 17' G3 CC 1756 Out of Shallotte, NC |
Fight bullets with rocks?
8:29 AMThe Last Boater on USENET On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 06:13:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 8:06:49 AM UTC-5, The Last Boater on USENET wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 01:31:49 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim - show quoted text - How's it going! Been years since I looked around in here. Looks like everybody left except for, well, you know.... - show quoted text - ..... Uh huh. I saw your recent FB post where this place was mentioned and I’d say you were dead in in your assessment. Amazing what one person can do over time when you let them |
Fight bullets with rocks?
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
What could possibly go wrong, right? https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/...e-these-rocks/ Well, like the anti-gun crowd says, "What happens the first time a student kills another student with a rock to the head?" And, I can just imagine a gun going off and 30 kids running for the 5-gallon bucket of rocks. Ain't gonna happen. I'd much rather the teacher reach for a pistol. |
Fight bullets with rocks?
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 09:06:55 -0400, The Last Boater on USENET
wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 01:31:49 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: What could possibly go wrong, right? https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/...e-these-rocks/ It is not the worst idea in the world. If 30 people were throwing baseball sized rocks at the shooter, it would certainly disrupt his concentration and if 4 or 5 of them charged him in the confusion and started bashing his head in with the rocks it would spoil his day. This is certainly the last ditch effort to save yourself but it is a credible effort if the victims had the violence of action to actually do it. Combine that with a decent defensive action plan and the bad guy is going to lose that fight. My problem with "ALICE" is "Counter" should be the last choice but is screws up the acronym. In that TV spot they did on the school that really has a defensive plan, the easiest and perhaps most effective part is every classroom has a defensive zone marked in the floor where you can't be seen or hit from the hall. If your prime defenders were along that wall near the door. the shooter doesn't see them until they see him and they have surprise on their side. Better be wearing heavy gloves if you are trying a "disarm" tho. That barrel will be smoking. Of course it is best if the door is locked and the shooter is out in the hall (another part of that school's plan). Throwing rocks. No different than "bringing a knife to a gun fight" and up until now that has been used to illustrate a really bad idea. Now, we embrace it! If nothing else, when they should be seeking cover, they will be foolishly emboldened to stand their ground, making themselves better targets. Gotta go with Tim.... -Gene If you get to pick the fight and the weapons, I agree but we are talking about a situation where you have what is available. In a fair fight, a handgun is no match for an AK or an AR either but even the most radical element does not suggest we arm teachers with an AR. The object here is to use the tactics that allow you to survive an unfair fight. Throwing rocks and attacking is far better than just standing there waiting for your turn to be shot. |
Fight bullets with rocks?
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 09:58:33 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: What could possibly go wrong, right? https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/...e-these-rocks/ Well, like the anti-gun crowd says, "What happens the first time a student kills another student with a rock to the head?" And, I can just imagine a gun going off and 30 kids running for the 5-gallon bucket of rocks. Ain't gonna happen. I'd much rather the teacher reach for a pistol. If the teacher is not well trained, they have as good a chance of hitting a student. If I was doing it there would be a half dozen rocks under each desk but I agree that would require discipline in the schools and we have very little of that. |
Fight bullets with rocks?
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 12:42:53 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 09:06:55 -0400, The Last Boater on USENET wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 01:31:49 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: What could possibly go wrong, right? https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/...e-these-rocks/ It is not the worst idea in the world. If 30 people were throwing baseball sized rocks at the shooter, it would certainly disrupt his concentration and if 4 or 5 of them charged him in the confusion and started bashing his head in with the rocks it would spoil his day. This is certainly the last ditch effort to save yourself but it is a credible effort if the victims had the violence of action to actually do it. Combine that with a decent defensive action plan and the bad guy is going to lose that fight. My problem with "ALICE" is "Counter" should be the last choice but is screws up the acronym. In that TV spot they did on the school that really has a defensive plan, the easiest and perhaps most effective part is every classroom has a defensive zone marked in the floor where you can't be seen or hit from the hall. If your prime defenders were along that wall near the door. the shooter doesn't see them until they see him and they have surprise on their side. Better be wearing heavy gloves if you are trying a "disarm" tho. That barrel will be smoking. Of course it is best if the door is locked and the shooter is out in the hall (another part of that school's plan). Throwing rocks. No different than "bringing a knife to a gun fight" and up until now that has been used to illustrate a really bad idea. Now, we embrace it! If nothing else, when they should be seeking cover, they will be foolishly emboldened to stand their ground, making themselves better targets. Gotta go with Tim.... -Gene If you get to pick the fight and the weapons, I agree but we are talking about a situation where you have what is available. In a fair fight, a handgun is no match for an AK or an AR either but even the most radical element does not suggest we arm teachers with an AR. The object here is to use the tactics that allow you to survive an unfair fight. Throwing rocks and attacking is far better than just standing there waiting for your turn to be shot. Hiding in your 'no see' zones with the teacher holding a handgun is a better idea. The mad scramble for the rocks may cause the shooter to laugh himself to death. |
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