On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 12:46:25 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 09:58:33 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

What could possibly go wrong, right?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/...e-these-rocks/

Well, like the anti-gun crowd says, "What happens the first time a student kills another student
with a rock to the head?"

And, I can just imagine a gun going off and 30 kids running for the 5-gallon bucket of rocks. Ain't
gonna happen. I'd much rather the teacher reach for a pistol.

If the teacher is not well trained, they have as good a chance of
hitting a student.
If I was doing it there would be a half dozen rocks under each desk
but I agree that would require discipline in the schools and we have
very little of that.


So train the teacher. I'll bet a whole lot would show up three days early to be shown how to safely
handle a handgun.

I sure as hell wouldn't want 180 rocks laying on the floor of the classroom as I tried to walk
around helping kids solve a math problem. Would the janitors be required to pick them all up every
day before sweeping the floors?

On 24 Mar 2018 16:57:29 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 09:58:33 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

What could possibly go wrong, right?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/...e-these-rocks/

Well, like the anti-gun crowd says, "What happens the first time a
student kills another student
with a rock to the head?"

And, I can just imagine a gun going off and 30 kids running for the
5-gallon bucket of rocks. Ain't
gonna happen. I'd much rather the teacher reach for a pistol.

If the teacher is not well trained, they have as good a chance of
hitting a student.
If I was doing it there would be a half dozen rocks under each desk
but I agree that would require discipline in the schools and we have
very little of that.




Don’t forget that movie theatre ushers, pastors, priests, rabbis, shopping
center guards, city buses, supermarkets, everything...needs armed guards
everywhere...that’s what the NRA wants, right?

Another stupid anti-NRA comment. Almost as stupid as most of your anti-Trump comments.

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 13:46:33 UTC-3, wrote:
snip...
If the teacher is not well trained, they have as good a chance of
hitting a student.
snip...


Bingo!
can you imagine our own 'Mr Magoo' (The John) spraying bullets all over a classroom or hallway?

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:04:30 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 13:46:33 UTC-3, wrote:
snip...
If the teacher is not well trained, they have as good a chance of
hitting a student.
snip...


Bingo!
can you imagine our own 'Mr Magoo' (The John) spraying bullets all over a classroom or hallway?

No. I've had some training, donnee. Have you?

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:07:02 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 12:42:53 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 09:06:55 -0400, The Last Boater on USENET
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 01:31:49 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

What could possibly go wrong, right?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/...e-these-rocks/

It is not the worst idea in the world. If 30 people were throwing
baseball sized rocks at the shooter, it would certainly disrupt his
concentration and if 4 or 5 of them charged him in the confusion and
started bashing his head in with the rocks it would spoil his day.
This is certainly the last ditch effort to save yourself but it is a
credible effort if the victims had the violence of action to actually
do it. Combine that with a decent defensive action plan and the bad
guy is going to lose that fight.
My problem with "ALICE" is "Counter" should be the last choice but is
screws up the acronym.
In that TV spot they did on the school that really has a defensive
plan, the easiest and perhaps most effective part is every classroom
has a defensive zone marked in the floor where you can't be seen or
hit from the hall. If your prime defenders were along that wall near
the door. the shooter doesn't see them until they see him and they
have surprise on their side. Better be wearing heavy gloves if you are
trying a "disarm" tho. That barrel will be smoking.
Of course it is best if the door is locked and the shooter is out in
the hall (another part of that school's plan).

Throwing rocks.

No different than "bringing a knife to a gun fight" and up until now
that has been used to illustrate a really bad idea. Now, we embrace
it!

If nothing else, when they should be seeking cover, they will be
foolishly emboldened to stand their ground, making themselves better
targets.

Gotta go with Tim....
-Gene

If you get to pick the fight and the weapons, I agree but we are
talking about a situation where you have what is available. In a fair
fight, a handgun is no match for an AK or an AR either but even the
most radical element does not suggest we arm teachers with an AR.
The object here is to use the tactics that allow you to survive an
unfair fight.
Throwing rocks and attacking is far better than just standing there
waiting for your turn to be shot.

Hiding in your 'no see' zones with the teacher holding a handgun is a better idea. The mad scramble
for the rocks may cause the shooter to laugh himself to death.

You better be sure all of the kids are in a zone behind that teacher.

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:09:35 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 12:46:25 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 09:58:33 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

What could possibly go wrong, right?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/...e-these-rocks/

Well, like the anti-gun crowd says, "What happens the first time a student kills another student
with a rock to the head?"

And, I can just imagine a gun going off and 30 kids running for the 5-gallon bucket of rocks. Ain't
gonna happen. I'd much rather the teacher reach for a pistol.

If the teacher is not well trained, they have as good a chance of
hitting a student.
If I was doing it there would be a half dozen rocks under each desk
but I agree that would require discipline in the schools and we have
very little of that.


So train the teacher. I'll bet a whole lot would show up three days early to be shown how to safely
handle a handgun.

I sure as hell wouldn't want 180 rocks laying on the floor of the classroom as I tried to walk
around helping kids solve a math problem. Would the janitors be required to pick them all up every
day before sweeping the floors?

Every school desk I ever sat at had a compartment in it somewhere. Put
one of these there.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Active%20sh...onse%20kit.jpg

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:04:30 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 13:46:33 UTC-3, wrote:
snip...
If the teacher is not well trained, they have as good a chance of
hitting a student.
snip...


Bingo!
can you imagine our own 'Mr Magoo' (The John) spraying bullets all over a classroom or hallway?


===

I think John would be taking well aimed shots just like most of us.
The guys that I shoot with regularly beat FBI teams and local SWAT
teams in statewide competition.

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On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 16:35:58 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:09:35 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 12:46:25 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 09:58:33 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

What could possibly go wrong, right?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/...e-these-rocks/

Well, like the anti-gun crowd says, "What happens the first time a student kills another student
with a rock to the head?"

And, I can just imagine a gun going off and 30 kids running for the 5-gallon bucket of rocks. Ain't
gonna happen. I'd much rather the teacher reach for a pistol.

If the teacher is not well trained, they have as good a chance of
hitting a student.
If I was doing it there would be a half dozen rocks under each desk
but I agree that would require discipline in the schools and we have
very little of that.


So train the teacher. I'll bet a whole lot would show up three days early to be shown how to safely
handle a handgun.

I sure as hell wouldn't want 180 rocks laying on the floor of the classroom as I tried to walk
around helping kids solve a math problem. Would the janitors be required to pick them all up every
day before sweeping the floors?

Every school desk I ever sat at had a compartment in it somewhere. Put
one of these there.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Active%20sh...onse%20kit.jpg

New ones don't, at least in middle and high schools. Kids travel from one room to next and take
backpacks.

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:07:02 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 12:42:53 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 09:06:55 -0400, The Last Boater on USENET
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 01:31:49 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

What could possibly go wrong, right?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/...e-these-rocks/

It is not the worst idea in the world. If 30 people were throwing
baseball sized rocks at the shooter, it would certainly disrupt his
concentration and if 4 or 5 of them charged him in the confusion and
started bashing his head in with the rocks it would spoil his day.
This is certainly the last ditch effort to save yourself but it is a
credible effort if the victims had the violence of action to actually
do it. Combine that with a decent defensive action plan and the bad
guy is going to lose that fight.
My problem with "ALICE" is "Counter" should be the last choice but is
screws up the acronym.
In that TV spot they did on the school that really has a defensive
plan, the easiest and perhaps most effective part is every classroom
has a defensive zone marked in the floor where you can't be seen or
hit from the hall. If your prime defenders were along that wall near
the door. the shooter doesn't see them until they see him and they
have surprise on their side. Better be wearing heavy gloves if you are
trying a "disarm" tho. That barrel will be smoking.
Of course it is best if the door is locked and the shooter is out in
the hall (another part of that school's plan).

Throwing rocks.

No different than "bringing a knife to a gun fight" and up until now
that has been used to illustrate a really bad idea. Now, we embrace
it!

If nothing else, when they should be seeking cover, they will be
foolishly emboldened to stand their ground, making themselves better
targets.

Gotta go with Tim....
-Gene

If you get to pick the fight and the weapons, I agree but we are
talking about a situation where you have what is available. In a fair
fight, a handgun is no match for an AK or an AR either but even the
most radical element does not suggest we arm teachers with an AR.
The object here is to use the tactics that allow you to survive an
unfair fight.
Throwing rocks and attacking is far better than just standing there
waiting for your turn to be shot.

Hiding in your 'no see' zones with the teacher holding a handgun is a better idea. The mad scramble
for the rocks may cause the shooter to laugh himself to death.

And.... hardening the schools is a step in the right direction, too.

FWIW, this is a global problem and isn't (or shouldn't be)
specifically about "guns." It is about soft targets and angry/crazy
people. Globally, school children have been attacked with everything
from axes to zhanmadaos, because they are a soft target with an
advertised lack of defenses.

If we aren't going to get serious about mental health, let's get
serious about protection.
-Gene


Twenty years from now you will be more disppointed
by the things that you didn't do than by the ones
you did do.

So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor.
Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.
- Mark Twain


1987 23' Grady-White Gulfstream
2004 17' G3 CC 1756

Out of Shallotte, NC

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 12:46:25 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 09:58:33 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

What could possibly go wrong, right?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/...e-these-rocks/

Well, like the anti-gun crowd says, "What happens the first time a student kills another student
with a rock to the head?"

And, I can just imagine a gun going off and 30 kids running for the 5-gallon bucket of rocks. Ain't
gonna happen. I'd much rather the teacher reach for a pistol.

If the teacher is not well trained, they have as good a chance of
hitting a student.
If I was doing it there would be a half dozen rocks under each desk
but I agree that would require discipline in the schools and we have
very little of that.


Do you advocate training in rock throwing, as well? Rocks can kill.
Ask Goliath. What? Wait. Nevermind, you can't......
-Gene


Twenty years from now you will be more disppointed
by the things that you didn't do than by the ones
you did do.

So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor.
Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.
- Mark Twain


1987 23' Grady-White Gulfstream
2004 17' G3 CC 1756

Out of Shallotte, NC