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Justan, John, tim, Greg, Richard...
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Justan, John, tim, Greg, Richard...
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:20:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2018 12:59 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 07:13:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2018 12:47 AM, Tim wrote: 11:36 PMBill Tim wrote: I absently left Wayne and Bill out of the headers list of DD214 recipients. My apologies gentlemen... I did not get a DD214. I was Air Force and they use a different number. Was looking for the DD214 when I went to social Security Administration office. .... Didn’t know that, Bill. I thought all branches were under DoD with Dd214 sign out. Except Greg would have been under the Dept if the Treasury. Don’t know about coast guard... *All* discharged members of the Air Force, Navy, Marines, USCG and Army who served on active duty since 1950 receive an original form DD-214. It is the official record of your military service. Before 1950 each service had their own, unique separation forms. The DD-214 is issued in two forms ... the "long" form and a "short" form. The long form contains more detailed information but the short form is used for most requests for verification of service. DD Form 256 (Honorable Discharge Certificate) or DD Form 257 (General Discharge Certificate) are issued for those who serve in the reserves and are not called up for active duty. Reservists who are not federally deployed do not receive a DD-214 and are not eligible for veteran's benefits unless they were injured during scheduled training exercises and file a claim with the VA. There is a form called the DD-215 which is used to correct any errors on the original DD-214. The DD-214 contains the following info as a minimum: Date and place of entry into active duty Home address at time of entry Date and place of release from active duty Home address after separation Last duty assignment and rank Military job specialty Military education Decorations, medals, badges, citations, and campaign awards Total creditable service Foreign service credited Separation information (type of separation, character of service, authority and reason for separation, separation and reenlistment eligibility codes) When you are discharged, here's how the originals are disbursed: A DD Form 214/215 is prepared in eight copies and distributed as follows: Copy 1 – Service Member Copy 2 – Service Personnel File Copy 3 – United States Department of Veterans Affairs Copy 4 – Member (if initialed in Block 30) Copy 5 – United States Department of Labor Copy 6 – State Director of Veteran Affairs Copy 7 & 8 – Distributed in accordance with Military Service Department directions (shredded and retain) In my case, I have *two* DD-214's and one DD-256. The first DD-214 was for my original enlistment of four years which was shortened to 2 and a half years when I was accepted into a program to change my rating from Radioman to Electronics Technician. I was discharged (on a ship at sea) and then immediately sworn back in. The second DD-214 was issued in 1977 when I completed the second active duty contract plus a two month extension "for the convenience" of the government. :-) Then, unsure of what the future held, I signed up for 2 years in the Naval Reserves and was issued the DD-256 when the contract was complete. Bottom line is ... unless Bill and Greg are a lot older than they admit to or joined the Air Force and Coast Guard when they were barely out of diapers, somewhere they have a DD-214. :-) I am one of those "cusp" reservists. I had more than a year of active duty so I got my DD214 and I get some VA benefits but I still have not explored how much it is. I am pretty sure I don't get the whole nut. I also have a DD-256. I am not sure the 6 month reservists get a DD-214, they may just get the 256 when they complete their contract. I am just guessing from the language in that VA card application. I ended up going to another place when the one you linked did not work. (after a 1 hour 15 minute phone call to the VA, an hour on hold). The rules for various benefits vary. Some only require one day of service. Many require a minimum of two years of continuous active duty or six years of reserve duty. It really depends on which benefit you apply for. For example, the GI Bill for educational benefits requires a minimum of two years active duty but there are other educational benefits that require less. Then, to make it even more confusing the extent of benefits that you qualify for depends (in many cases) on your total length of active duty service, where you served and what type of discharge you received. It's complex and each situation is different. That is pretty much what I found out. With 1 year, 2, I had enough education credits to get the Heathkit TV deal or a few semesters in college but not the full nut. There was some confusion about whether I could get a GI bill house but I ended up getting a better deal commercially because I had the 30% down. I never pursued it. I am pretty sure there is no medical for me. Back in the 70s, there was not a lot of veteran support and what you could get was fairly ambiguous with more rumor and innuendo than facts. I never pursued any of it. I thought those dollars were better spent for the guys who really needed it. I was doing OK. I had 9 months and some days. Would have been close to the year active duty as the school was originally 45 weeks. I phased ahead and knocked 10 weeks off, |
Justan, John, tim, Greg, Richard...
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Justan, John, tim, Greg, Richard...
On 3/24/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:28:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2018 4:44 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 16:41:01 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 12:47 AM, Tim wrote: 11:36 PMBill Tim wrote: I absently left Wayne and Bill out of the headers list of DD214 recipients. My apologies gentlemen... I did not get a DD214. I was Air Force and they use a different number. Was looking for the DD214 when I went to social Security Administration office. .... Didn’t know that, Bill. I thought all branches were under DoD with Dd214 sign out. Except Greg would have been under the Dept if the Treasury. Don’t know about coast guard... *All* discharged members of the Air Force, Navy, Marines, USCG and Army who served on active duty since 1950 receive an original form DD-214. It is the official record of your military service. Before 1950 each service had their own, unique separation forms. The DD-214 is issued in two forms ... the "long" form and a "short" form. The long form contains more detailed information but the short form is used for most requests for verification of service. DD Form 256 (Honorable Discharge Certificate) or DD Form 257 (General Discharge Certificate) are issued for those who serve in the reserves and are not called up for active duty. Reservists who are not federally deployed do not receive a DD-214 and are not eligible for veteran's benefits unless they were injured during scheduled training exercises and file a claim with the VA. There is a form called the DD-215 which is used to correct any errors on the original DD-214. The DD-214 contains the following info as a minimum: Date and place of entry into active duty Home address at time of entry Date and place of release from active duty Home address after separation Last duty assignment and rank Military job specialty Military education Decorations, medals, badges, citations, and campaign awards Total creditable service Foreign service credited Separation information (type of separation, character of service, authority and reason for separation, separation and reenlistment eligibility codes) When you are discharged, here's how the originals are disbursed: A DD Form 214/215 is prepared in eight copies and distributed as follows: Copy 1 – Service Member Copy 2 – Service Personnel File Copy 3 – United States Department of Veterans Affairs Copy 4 – Member (if initialed in Block 30) Copy 5 – United States Department of Labor Copy 6 – State Director of Veteran Affairs Copy 7 & 8 – Distributed in accordance with Military Service Department directions (shredded and retain) In my case, I have *two* DD-214's and one DD-256. The first DD-214 was for my original enlistment of four years which was shortened to 2 and a half years when I was accepted into a program to change my rating from Radioman to Electronics Technician. I was discharged (on a ship at sea) and then immediately sworn back in. The second DD-214 was issued in 1977 when I completed the second active duty contract plus a two month extension "for the convenience" of the government. :-) Then, unsure of what the future held, I signed up for 2 years in the Naval Reserves and was issued the DD-256 when the contract was complete. Bottom line is ... unless Bill and Greg are a lot older than they admit to or joined the Air Force and Coast Guard when they were barely out of diapers, somewhere they have a DD-214. :-) I probably got the 256 certificate. Missed call up by 6 days. Was transferred out of a the 349th MAW on the 17th of January and the general in charge voluntold the unit for active duty on the 23rd the the Pueblo incident. I bet if you go on the VA site and follow the "get records" link, they will find your DD-214. I had to do it by phone and mail in the olden days. (they mailed me a form, I filled it in, sent it back and they sent me the DD-214) If Bill was a reservist and was never activated he would not have the DD-214. He did a 6 month ACDUTRA I bet, maybe that does not count as "active" tho. Like I said I am on the cusp (12 months) and I did get a DD-214. I did see on the VA site they talked about the DD-256 for reservists. I did 2 years in the Navy reserves after 9 years active duty. I've forgotten the details but we had weekend "duty" once a month at a Naval Air Station not far from where I lived and we were supposed to go on a 2 week "training" exercise once a year. This duty was considered "inactive reserve service". I think we were paid a small amount of $$ for each weekend duty we attended but maybe not. Can't remember. I went to the weekend duties for a while but they really didn't have anything for us to do, so most of the time we just sat around shooting the **** or doing courses. I was bored most of the time but when we had the "Blizzard of 1978" I flew as a crew member in a Navy helicopter that was patrolling up and down the coastline searching for people who needed to be rescued. That was the extent of any excitement in the reserves other than driving up and down the runways in a Navy pickup truck clearing the seagulls when the jets were taking off or landing. After a while though I became more busy with a civilian career and stopped going to the monthly weekend duties. I never did the 2 week training thing. In my case I didn't have to because my active duty time satisfied all my military service requirements and any time done in the reserves was purely voluntary. After two years the Navy mailed me the DD-256 and a honorary discharge certificate. I was surprised because I hadn't been to a weekend duty in about a year. I have quite a collection of discharges. :-) |
Justan, John, tim, Greg, Richard...
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 07:47:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/24/2018 9:50 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:28:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2018 4:44 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 16:41:01 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2018 12:47 AM, Tim wrote: 11:36 PMBill Tim wrote: I absently left Wayne and Bill out of the headers list of DD214 recipients. My apologies gentlemen... I did not get a DD214. I was Air Force and they use a different number. Was looking for the DD214 when I went to social Security Administration office. .... Didn’t know that, Bill. I thought all branches were under DoD with Dd214 sign out. Except Greg would have been under the Dept if the Treasury. Don’t know about coast guard... *All* discharged members of the Air Force, Navy, Marines, USCG and Army who served on active duty since 1950 receive an original form DD-214. It is the official record of your military service. Before 1950 each service had their own, unique separation forms. The DD-214 is issued in two forms ... the "long" form and a "short" form. The long form contains more detailed information but the short form is used for most requests for verification of service. DD Form 256 (Honorable Discharge Certificate) or DD Form 257 (General Discharge Certificate) are issued for those who serve in the reserves and are not called up for active duty. Reservists who are not federally deployed do not receive a DD-214 and are not eligible for veteran's benefits unless they were injured during scheduled training exercises and file a claim with the VA. There is a form called the DD-215 which is used to correct any errors on the original DD-214. The DD-214 contains the following info as a minimum: Date and place of entry into active duty Home address at time of entry Date and place of release from active duty Home address after separation Last duty assignment and rank Military job specialty Military education Decorations, medals, badges, citations, and campaign awards Total creditable service Foreign service credited Separation information (type of separation, character of service, authority and reason for separation, separation and reenlistment eligibility codes) When you are discharged, here's how the originals are disbursed: A DD Form 214/215 is prepared in eight copies and distributed as follows: Copy 1 – Service Member Copy 2 – Service Personnel File Copy 3 – United States Department of Veterans Affairs Copy 4 – Member (if initialed in Block 30) Copy 5 – United States Department of Labor Copy 6 – State Director of Veteran Affairs Copy 7 & 8 – Distributed in accordance with Military Service Department directions (shredded and retain) In my case, I have *two* DD-214's and one DD-256. The first DD-214 was for my original enlistment of four years which was shortened to 2 and a half years when I was accepted into a program to change my rating from Radioman to Electronics Technician. I was discharged (on a ship at sea) and then immediately sworn back in. The second DD-214 was issued in 1977 when I completed the second active duty contract plus a two month extension "for the convenience" of the government. :-) Then, unsure of what the future held, I signed up for 2 years in the Naval Reserves and was issued the DD-256 when the contract was complete. Bottom line is ... unless Bill and Greg are a lot older than they admit to or joined the Air Force and Coast Guard when they were barely out of diapers, somewhere they have a DD-214. :-) I probably got the 256 certificate. Missed call up by 6 days. Was transferred out of a the 349th MAW on the 17th of January and the general in charge voluntold the unit for active duty on the 23rd the the Pueblo incident. I bet if you go on the VA site and follow the "get records" link, they will find your DD-214. I had to do it by phone and mail in the olden days. (they mailed me a form, I filled it in, sent it back and they sent me the DD-214) If Bill was a reservist and was never activated he would not have the DD-214. He did a 6 month ACDUTRA I bet, maybe that does not count as "active" tho. Like I said I am on the cusp (12 months) and I did get a DD-214. I did see on the VA site they talked about the DD-256 for reservists. I did 2 years in the Navy reserves after 9 years active duty. I've forgotten the details but we had weekend "duty" once a month at a Naval Air Station not far from where I lived and we were supposed to go on a 2 week "training" exercise once a year. This duty was considered "inactive reserve service". I think we were paid a small amount of $$ for each weekend duty we attended but maybe not. Can't remember. I went to the weekend duties for a while but they really didn't have anything for us to do, so most of the time we just sat around shooting the **** or doing courses. I was bored most of the time but when we had the "Blizzard of 1978" I flew as a crew member in a Navy helicopter that was patrolling up and down the coastline searching for people who needed to be rescued. That was the extent of any excitement in the reserves other than driving up and down the runways in a Navy pickup truck clearing the seagulls when the jets were taking off or landing. After a while though I became more busy with a civilian career and stopped going to the monthly weekend duties. I never did the 2 week training thing. In my case I didn't have to because my active duty time satisfied all my military service requirements and any time done in the reserves was purely voluntary. After two years the Navy mailed me the DD-256 and a honorary discharge certificate. I was surprised because I hadn't been to a weekend duty in about a year. I have quite a collection of discharges. :-) You did not do the ACDUTRA at all. That is the initial training, somewhere between 6 months and a year because you cane from active duty. The weekends or one night a week, along with the 2 weeks a year are called "drill". It is not the same as ACDUTRA. It is starting to look like the only reason I got a DD-214 was because I got extended and my ACDUTRA was over 12 months. They also had a "category H" that I was in immediately after going to my reserve unit that had no weekly or monthly drills. You did one 30 day drill a year. That went away in 1967 tho and they gave me the choice of what unit I wanted to drill with. I went with the one weekend a month ORTAUG unit. (Ship augmentation) That unit managed to acquire a 40' boat and I was on that crew as an honorary EM. I enjoyed that time but they finally caught me and shoved me into the ORTEL (electronics unit) That was more like what you describe, 2 days a month in minimum security prison. We had no mission, nothing to do, we just had to be there. If I could have stayed in the ORTAUG, on the boat, I would have retired there. The problem was, as long as I was not rated, they could let me hide there. I was shoved into the ORTEL so I went ahead and took my FT3 crow. Since so much time had lapsed between the time I left school I needed to submit the courses. I sat on the lesson sheets for years until it was clear they would not budge. Since the money was nothing and we did not really have any pomp on the boat, I was willing to be the world's oldest seaman with 3 different striker's badges. (I had a few EM courses under my belt by then) I really wanted the GM3 crow that I had courses and time in for but no joy there. It is not like the USCG had an abiding need for FTs. It was a useless rate for them that they eventually dropped completely. |
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