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Just stopped my Honda generator after a full hours run under load.
Appears that all is right with the world. Thanks to everyone who commented and offered suggestions etc. I'm ready now if we get that 4th NorEaster predicated for us. |
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On 3/16/2018 12:51 PM, True North wrote:
Just stopped my Honda generator after a full hours run under load. Appears that all is right with the world. Thanks to everyone who commented and offered suggestions etc. I'm ready now if we get that 4th NorEaster predicated for us. Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples will not draw anywhere near as much gas. If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again. |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 09:51:26 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
Just stopped my Honda generator after a full hours run under load. Appears that all is right with the world. Thanks to everyone who commented and offered suggestions etc. I'm ready now if we get that 4th NorEaster predicated for us. Put on your calendar to crank that thing every few weeks. I have it in Outlook. Every four weeks I get a reminder. |
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- show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour.Â* Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" Â*and with *no*Â* load on the generator.Â* Reason?Â* You've suspected that it was flooding. Â*Running it under aÂ* load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl canÂ* deliver ... so it didn't flood.Â* Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compareÂ* apple to apples Â*will not draw anywhere near as much gas. Â*If theÂ* float or something is screwing up it might flood again."Â* Just came in. I Å•an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. |
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On 3/16/2018 3:59 PM, True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" Â*and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. Â*Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples Â*will not draw anywhere near as much gas. Â*If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I Å•an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Great. Glad to hear it. Sounds like you're in good shape. |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:40:59 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 09:51:26 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Just stopped my Honda generator after a full hours run under load. Appears that all is right with the world. Thanks to everyone who commented and offered suggestions etc. I'm ready now if we get that 4th NorEaster predicated for us. Put on your calendar to crank that thing every few weeks. I have it in Outlook. Every four weeks I get a reminder. I hope that's not true because mine sat 10 years without running before Irma, it started on the 2d pull and I don't plan on starting it again until the next hurricane ... but it is running propane ;-) Actually I do plan to crank it up for a project we are doing at the boat ramp but I will be running on a 20# propane bottle. I also have a few little things I want to do with it too, like extend the oil drain port out far enough so I can drain the oil and not spill it everywhere. I also want to put an hour meter on it. I may go ahead and spin up 180 hours or so on it from wall power to be more correct tho. Once I get everything right, we probably won't have another power failure for another 10 years. I already put the loops in the inlet box so I can quickly check the running amps with my clamp. I also set up a variac to boost the voltage to the fridge in the house. It was a little cranky about the 110 volts it was getting at the end of the line. I still need to swap a couple of breakers around to get that off the same phase as the one in the tiki bar. I guess I have to get to work ;-) |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour.Â* Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" Â*and with *no*Â* load on the generator.Â* Reason?Â* You've suspected that it was flooding. Â*Running it under aÂ* load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl canÂ* deliver ... so it didn't flood.Â* Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compareÂ* apple to apples Â*will not draw anywhere near as much gas. Â*If theÂ* float or something is screwing up it might flood again."Â* Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. |
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True North wrote:
Just stopped my Honda generator after a full hours run under load. Appears that all is right with the world. Thanks to everyone who commented and offered suggestions etc. I'm ready now if we get that 4th NorEaster predicated for us. The question is will it start in 6 hours. |
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On 3/17/2018 7:27 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 16:54:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/16/2018 4:31 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:40:59 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 09:51:26 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Just stopped my Honda generator after a full hours run under load. Appears that all is right with the world. Thanks to everyone who commented and offered suggestions etc. I'm ready now if we get that 4th NorEaster predicated for us. Put on your calendar to crank that thing every few weeks. I have it in Outlook. Every four weeks I get a reminder. I hope that's not true because mine sat 10 years without running before Irma, it started on the 2d pull and I don't plan on starting it again until the next hurricane ... but it is running propane ;-) Actually I do plan to crank it up for a project we are doing at the boat ramp but I will be running on a 20# propane bottle. I also have a few little things I want to do with it too, like extend the oil drain port out far enough so I can drain the oil and not spill it everywhere. I also want to put an hour meter on it. I may go ahead and spin up 180 hours or so on it from wall power to be more correct tho. Once I get everything right, we probably won't have another power failure for another 10 years. I already put the loops in the inlet box so I can quickly check the running amps with my clamp. I also set up a variac to boost the voltage to the fridge in the house. It was a little cranky about the 110 volts it was getting at the end of the line. I still need to swap a couple of breakers around to get that off the same phase as the one in the tiki bar. I guess I have to get to work ;-) I use an older version of this to measure voltage and current on the devices I power with the generator. Also displays watts and kilowatt hrs. BTW .. the Honda puts out 124.5 volts (no load) and 120 volts full load. Not bad. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71KD5T1jaNL._SL1500_.jpg I mentioned that someone just gave me a larger, contractor type generator. Along with it she gave me a five gallon jug of gas that she says is about 2 or 3 months old. Obviously she wouldn't have known to add Sta-bil or anything to it. Don't know what I am going to do with it. I thought about mixing it in with the gas in my truck but I found out it's very difficult to fill it from a jug due to the anti-siphon devices they put in trucks and cars today. It really requires a nozzle to be inserted well into the fill line otherwise it backs up and spills all over the place. Nothing is simple anymore. What make and model is the generator? Still in box but is this one. (even has electric start which is nice): https://tinyurl.com/ydcbn25l |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:42:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/17/2018 7:27 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 16:54:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/16/2018 4:31 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:40:59 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 09:51:26 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Just stopped my Honda generator after a full hours run under load. Appears that all is right with the world. Thanks to everyone who commented and offered suggestions etc. I'm ready now if we get that 4th NorEaster predicated for us. Put on your calendar to crank that thing every few weeks. I have it in Outlook. Every four weeks I get a reminder. I hope that's not true because mine sat 10 years without running before Irma, it started on the 2d pull and I don't plan on starting it again until the next hurricane ... but it is running propane ;-) Actually I do plan to crank it up for a project we are doing at the boat ramp but I will be running on a 20# propane bottle. I also have a few little things I want to do with it too, like extend the oil drain port out far enough so I can drain the oil and not spill it everywhere. I also want to put an hour meter on it. I may go ahead and spin up 180 hours or so on it from wall power to be more correct tho. Once I get everything right, we probably won't have another power failure for another 10 years. I already put the loops in the inlet box so I can quickly check the running amps with my clamp. I also set up a variac to boost the voltage to the fridge in the house. It was a little cranky about the 110 volts it was getting at the end of the line. I still need to swap a couple of breakers around to get that off the same phase as the one in the tiki bar. I guess I have to get to work ;-) I use an older version of this to measure voltage and current on the devices I power with the generator. Also displays watts and kilowatt hrs. BTW .. the Honda puts out 124.5 volts (no load) and 120 volts full load. Not bad. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71KD5T1jaNL._SL1500_.jpg I mentioned that someone just gave me a larger, contractor type generator. Along with it she gave me a five gallon jug of gas that she says is about 2 or 3 months old. Obviously she wouldn't have known to add Sta-bil or anything to it. Don't know what I am going to do with it. I thought about mixing it in with the gas in my truck but I found out it's very difficult to fill it from a jug due to the anti-siphon devices they put in trucks and cars today. It really requires a nozzle to be inserted well into the fill line otherwise it backs up and spills all over the place. Nothing is simple anymore. What make and model is the generator? Still in box but is this one. (even has electric start which is nice): https://tinyurl.com/ydcbn25l The thing gets good reviews. I'd put it on Craigslist for about $250. |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/17/2018 7:25 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:19:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" *and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. *Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples *will not draw anywhere near as much gas. *If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. There is a youtube vid showing a guy who installed a petcock in the gas line of the little Honda. Good idea. I wish Honda had done something like that. I suppose one could pour out the gas and then let it run 'til dry. But starting it once a month or so is not that hard. There *is* a way to drain the gas from the bowl, provided by Honda. Yes, that's easy. But would more gas enter the bowl from the lines once that screw was closed up again? |
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On 3/17/2018 9:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 7:25 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:19:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" Â*and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. Â*Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples Â*will not draw anywhere near as much gas. Â*If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. There is a youtube vid showing a guy who installed a petcock in the gas line of the little Honda. Good idea. I wish Honda had done something like that. I suppose one could pour out the gas and then let it run 'til dry. But starting it once a month or so is not that hard. There *is* a way to drain the gas from the bowl, provided by Honda. Yes, that's easy. But would more gas enter the bowl from the lines once that screw was closed up again? Yes. One guy simply put a clamp on the line from the tank to the bowl. |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 09:41:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/17/2018 9:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 7:25 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:19:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" *and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. *Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples *will not draw anywhere near as much gas. *If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. There is a youtube vid showing a guy who installed a petcock in the gas line of the little Honda. Good idea. I wish Honda had done something like that. I suppose one could pour out the gas and then let it run 'til dry. But starting it once a month or so is not that hard. There *is* a way to drain the gas from the bowl, provided by Honda. Yes, that's easy. But would more gas enter the bowl from the lines once that screw was closed up again? Yes. One guy simply put a clamp on the line from the tank to the bowl. A baby vice grips might be worth throwing in the bottom. |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:01:36 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 09:41:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 9:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 7:25 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:19:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" Â*and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. Â*Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples Â*will not draw anywhere near as much gas. Â*If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. There is a youtube vid showing a guy who installed a petcock in the gas line of the little Honda. Good idea. I wish Honda had done something like that. I suppose one could pour out the gas and then let it run 'til dry. But starting it once a month or so is not that hard. There *is* a way to drain the gas from the bowl, provided by Honda. Yes, that's easy. But would more gas enter the bowl from the lines once that screw was closed up again? Yes. One guy simply put a clamp on the line from the tank to the bowl. A baby vice grips might be worth throwing in the bottom. They make a purpose built clamp just for doing this. I will look around and see if I have a few. IBM gave us 2 in a kit for replacing the radiators in water cooled machines. I used to have a bunch but I am not sure where I would start to look ;-) The problem with vice grips is the teeth on the jaws is tough on the hose. This thing was round with a thumb screw to tighten it up. I think the perfect solution would be a 3 way valve with a stub of hose that you could poke into a jug to drain the tank. If I was going to install a valve, that is what I would look for. |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:01:36 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 09:41:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 9:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 7:25 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:19:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples will not draw anywhere near as much gas. If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. There is a youtube vid showing a guy who installed a petcock in the gas line of the little Honda. Good idea. I wish Honda had done something like that. I suppose one could pour out the gas and then let it run 'til dry. But starting it once a month or so is not that hard. There *is* a way to drain the gas from the bowl, provided by Honda. Yes, that's easy. But would more gas enter the bowl from the lines once that screw was closed up again? Yes. One guy simply put a clamp on the line from the tank to the bowl. A baby vice grips might be worth throwing in the bottom. They make a purpose built clamp just for doing this. I will look around and see if I have a few. IBM gave us 2 in a kit for replacing the radiators in water cooled machines. I used to have a bunch but I am not sure where I would start to look ;-) The problem with vice grips is the teeth on the jaws is tough on the hose. This thing was round with a thumb screw to tighten it up. I think the perfect solution would be a 3 way valve with a stub of hose that you could poke into a jug to drain the tank. If I was going to install a valve, that is what I would look for. Yup. No need to over think things. I did it on mine. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/17/2018 9:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 7:25 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:19:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" Â*and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. Â*Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples Â*will not draw anywhere near as much gas. Â*If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. There is a youtube vid showing a guy who installed a petcock in the gas line of the little Honda. Good idea. I wish Honda had done something like that. I suppose one could pour out the gas and then let it run 'til dry. But starting it once a month or so is not that hard. There *is* a way to drain the gas from the bowl, provided by Honda. Yes, that's easy. But would more gas enter the bowl from the lines once that screw was closed up again? Yes. One guy simply put a clamp on the line from the tank to the bowl. My Yamaha has a gas shutoff on the front of the unit. |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:04:33 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:01:36 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 09:41:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 9:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 7:25 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:19:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" *and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. *Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples *will not draw anywhere near as much gas. *If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. There is a youtube vid showing a guy who installed a petcock in the gas line of the little Honda. Good idea. I wish Honda had done something like that. I suppose one could pour out the gas and then let it run 'til dry. But starting it once a month or so is not that hard. There *is* a way to drain the gas from the bowl, provided by Honda. Yes, that's easy. But would more gas enter the bowl from the lines once that screw was closed up again? Yes. One guy simply put a clamp on the line from the tank to the bowl. A baby vice grips might be worth throwing in the bottom. They make a purpose built clamp just for doing this. I will look around and see if I have a few. IBM gave us 2 in a kit for replacing the radiators in water cooled machines. I used to have a bunch but I am not sure where I would start to look ;-) The problem with vice grips is the teeth on the jaws is tough on the hose. This thing was round with a thumb screw to tighten it up. I think the perfect solution would be a 3 way valve with a stub of hose that you could poke into a jug to drain the tank. If I was going to install a valve, that is what I would look for. This shows the petcock the owner installed in the Honda. Pretty good idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ5O7Phf7n0 |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 13:24:50 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
Wrote in message: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:01:36 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 09:41:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 9:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 7:25 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:19:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples will not draw anywhere near as much gas. If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. There is a youtube vid showing a guy who installed a petcock in the gas line of the little Honda. Good idea. I wish Honda had done something like that. I suppose one could pour out the gas and then let it run 'til dry. But starting it once a month or so is not that hard. There *is* a way to drain the gas from the bowl, provided by Honda. Yes, that's easy. But would more gas enter the bowl from the lines once that screw was closed up again? Yes. One guy simply put a clamp on the line from the tank to the bowl. A baby vice grips might be worth throwing in the bottom. They make a purpose built clamp just for doing this. I will look around and see if I have a few. IBM gave us 2 in a kit for replacing the radiators in water cooled machines. I used to have a bunch but I am not sure where I would start to look ;-) The problem with vice grips is the teeth on the jaws is tough on the hose. This thing was round with a thumb screw to tighten it up. I think the perfect solution would be a 3 way valve with a stub of hose that you could poke into a jug to drain the tank. If I was going to install a valve, that is what I would look for. Yup. No need to over think things. I did it on mine. I think this might do the trick, if it will fit. https://smile.amazon.com/Motion-Pro-...tomerReview s |
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True North Wrote in message:
Just stopped my Honda generator after a full hours run under load. Appears that all is right with the world. Thanks to everyone who commented and offered suggestions etc. I'm ready now if we get that 4th NorEaster predicated for us. I had confidence thet you would figure it out eventually. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 17:32:18 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message: Just stopped my Honda generator after a full hours run under load. Appears that all is right with the world. Thanks to everyone who commented and offered suggestions etc. I'm ready now if we get that 4th NorEaster predicated for us. I had confidence thet you would figure it out eventually. 'Predicated' nor'easters can be a bitch. |
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On Saturday, 17 March 2018 16:25:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:04:33 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:01:36 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 09:41:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 9:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 7:25 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:19:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" Â*and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. Â*Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples Â*will not draw anywhere near as much gas. Â*If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. There is a youtube vid showing a guy who installed a petcock in the gas line of the little Honda. Good idea. I wish Honda had done something like that. I suppose one could pour out the gas and then let it run 'til dry. But starting it once a month or so is not that hard. There *is* a way to drain the gas from the bowl, provided by Honda. Yes, that's easy. But would more gas enter the bowl from the lines once that screw was closed up again? Yes. One guy simply put a clamp on the line from the tank to the bowl.. A baby vice grips might be worth throwing in the bottom. They make a purpose built clamp just for doing this. I will look around and see if I have a few. IBM gave us 2 in a kit for replacing the radiators in water cooled machines. I used to have a bunch but I am not sure where I would start to look ;-) The problem with vice grips is the teeth on the jaws is tough on the hose. This thing was round with a thumb screw to tighten it up. I think the perfect solution would be a 3 way valve with a stub of hose that you could poke into a jug to drain the tank. If I was going to install a valve, that is what I would look for. This shows the petcock the owner installed in the Honda. Pretty good idea.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ5O7Phf7n0 My unit is a bit different. Directly under the carb and to the left of the air filter the hoses are wrapped in gray foam. Not sure if I can get at that lower bowl drain plug without removing the foam 'insulation' first. Must be part of the 'Cold Weather Technology'. |
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On 3/17/2018 6:14 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 17 March 2018 16:25:06 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:04:33 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:01:36 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 09:41:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 9:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 7:25 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:19:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" Â*and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. Â*Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples Â*will not draw anywhere near as much gas. Â*If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. There is a youtube vid showing a guy who installed a petcock in the gas line of the little Honda. Good idea. I wish Honda had done something like that. I suppose one could pour out the gas and then let it run 'til dry. But starting it once a month or so is not that hard. There *is* a way to drain the gas from the bowl, provided by Honda. Yes, that's easy. But would more gas enter the bowl from the lines once that screw was closed up again? Yes. One guy simply put a clamp on the line from the tank to the bowl. A baby vice grips might be worth throwing in the bottom. They make a purpose built clamp just for doing this. I will look around and see if I have a few. IBM gave us 2 in a kit for replacing the radiators in water cooled machines. I used to have a bunch but I am not sure where I would start to look ;-) The problem with vice grips is the teeth on the jaws is tough on the hose. This thing was round with a thumb screw to tighten it up. I think the perfect solution would be a 3 way valve with a stub of hose that you could poke into a jug to drain the tank. If I was going to install a valve, that is what I would look for. This shows the petcock the owner installed in the Honda. Pretty good idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ5O7Phf7n0 My unit is a bit different. Directly under the carb and to the left of the air filter the hoses are wrapped in gray foam. Not sure if I can get at that lower bowl drain plug without removing the foam 'insulation' first. Must be part of the 'Cold Weather Technology'. Don ... off that subject but I thought I'd pass on this experience again that I had with the Honda. Back in January following almost 2 weeks of unusually cold weather when nighttime temps dropped below zero (F) and daytime temps never got above about 12 degrees F, I decided to fire up the Honda to make sure it was working because a snowstorm was heading our way. It wouldn't start no matter what I did. I must have pulled on that cord a hundred times and it didn't even burp. I took out the plug ... it looked fine. Made sure it had gas, full choke and and vent lever on the gas cap was "on". Still would not start. Don't know what made me think of this but I got a hairdryer, took off the side cover of the Honda and blew hot air all around the carb area, being careful not to get the hairdryer too close. Only did it for a couple of minutes, pulled the starter cord and it fired up right away. Later that day, my next door neighbor couldn't start his identical Honda either. Acted just like mine had. I told him what I did and he tried it also. After warming up the carb area briefly his also fired right up. I suspect that whatever water was in the fuel (there's always a tiny amount) froze in the needle area preventing fuel from flowing. Warming it slightly must have melted it and both mine and his have run fine since. |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 15:14:28 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
On Saturday, 17 March 2018 16:25:06 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:04:33 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:01:36 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 09:41:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 9:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 7:25 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:19:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" *and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. *Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples *will not draw anywhere near as much gas. *If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. There is a youtube vid showing a guy who installed a petcock in the gas line of the little Honda. Good idea. I wish Honda had done something like that. I suppose one could pour out the gas and then let it run 'til dry. But starting it once a month or so is not that hard. There *is* a way to drain the gas from the bowl, provided by Honda. Yes, that's easy. But would more gas enter the bowl from the lines once that screw was closed up again? Yes. One guy simply put a clamp on the line from the tank to the bowl. A baby vice grips might be worth throwing in the bottom. They make a purpose built clamp just for doing this. I will look around and see if I have a few. IBM gave us 2 in a kit for replacing the radiators in water cooled machines. I used to have a bunch but I am not sure where I would start to look ;-) The problem with vice grips is the teeth on the jaws is tough on the hose. This thing was round with a thumb screw to tighten it up. I think the perfect solution would be a 3 way valve with a stub of hose that you could poke into a jug to drain the tank. If I was going to install a valve, that is what I would look for. This shows the petcock the owner installed in the Honda. Pretty good idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ5O7Phf7n0 My unit is a bit different. Directly under the carb and to the left of the air filter the hoses are wrapped in gray foam. Not sure if I can get at that lower bowl drain plug without removing the foam 'insulation' first. Must be part of the 'Cold Weather Technology'. Must be. But you should be able to remove and replace the foam without too much trouble. Mine doesn't have foam outside the air filter. |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 18:31:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/17/2018 6:14 PM, True North wrote: On Saturday, 17 March 2018 16:25:06 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:04:33 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:01:36 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 09:41:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 9:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 7:25 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:19:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" *and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. *Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples *will not draw anywhere near as much gas. *If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. There is a youtube vid showing a guy who installed a petcock in the gas line of the little Honda. Good idea. I wish Honda had done something like that. I suppose one could pour out the gas and then let it run 'til dry. But starting it once a month or so is not that hard. There *is* a way to drain the gas from the bowl, provided by Honda. Yes, that's easy. But would more gas enter the bowl from the lines once that screw was closed up again? Yes. One guy simply put a clamp on the line from the tank to the bowl. A baby vice grips might be worth throwing in the bottom. They make a purpose built clamp just for doing this. I will look around and see if I have a few. IBM gave us 2 in a kit for replacing the radiators in water cooled machines. I used to have a bunch but I am not sure where I would start to look ;-) The problem with vice grips is the teeth on the jaws is tough on the hose. This thing was round with a thumb screw to tighten it up. I think the perfect solution would be a 3 way valve with a stub of hose that you could poke into a jug to drain the tank. If I was going to install a valve, that is what I would look for. This shows the petcock the owner installed in the Honda. Pretty good idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ5O7Phf7n0 My unit is a bit different. Directly under the carb and to the left of the air filter the hoses are wrapped in gray foam. Not sure if I can get at that lower bowl drain plug without removing the foam 'insulation' first. Must be part of the 'Cold Weather Technology'. Don ... off that subject but I thought I'd pass on this experience again that I had with the Honda. Back in January following almost 2 weeks of unusually cold weather when nighttime temps dropped below zero (F) and daytime temps never got above about 12 degrees F, I decided to fire up the Honda to make sure it was working because a snowstorm was heading our way. It wouldn't start no matter what I did. I must have pulled on that cord a hundred times and it didn't even burp. I took out the plug ... it looked fine. Made sure it had gas, full choke and and vent lever on the gas cap was "on". Still would not start. Don't know what made me think of this but I got a hairdryer, took off the side cover of the Honda and blew hot air all around the carb area, being careful not to get the hairdryer too close. Only did it for a couple of minutes, pulled the starter cord and it fired up right away. Later that day, my next door neighbor couldn't start his identical Honda either. Acted just like mine had. I told him what I did and he tried it also. After warming up the carb area briefly his also fired right up. I suspect that whatever water was in the fuel (there's always a tiny amount) froze in the needle area preventing fuel from flowing. Warming it slightly must have melted it and both mine and his have run fine since. How much you want for that hair dryer? :) |
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"Don't know what made me think of this but I got a hairdryer, took offÂ* the side cover of the Honda and blew hot air all around the carb area,Â* being careful not to get the hairdryer too close. Â*Only did it for aÂ* couple of minutes, pulled the starter cord and it fired up right away.Â* Later that day, my next door neighbor couldn't start his identical HondaÂ* either. Â*Acted just like mine had. Â*I told him what I did and he triedÂ* it also. Â*After warming up the carb area briefly his also fired rightÂ* up. Â*I suspect that whatever water was in the fuel (there's always aÂ* tiny amount) froze in the needle area preventing fuel from flowing.Â* Warming it slightly must have melted it and both mine and his have runÂ* fine since." In an emergency that could be tricky. That is...no power to operate the hair dryer. Maybe I should get an inverter anyway...and make my boat battery earn it's keep. |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 18:31:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/17/2018 6:14 PM, True North wrote: On Saturday, 17 March 2018 16:25:06 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:04:33 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:01:36 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 09:41:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 9:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 7:25 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:19:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" Â*and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. Â*Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples Â*will not draw anywhere near as much gas. Â*If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. There is a youtube vid showing a guy who installed a petcock in the gas line of the little Honda. Good idea. I wish Honda had done something like that. I suppose one could pour out the gas and then let it run 'til dry. But starting it once a month or so is not that hard. There *is* a way to drain the gas from the bowl, provided by Honda. Yes, that's easy. But would more gas enter the bowl from the lines once that screw was closed up again? Yes. One guy simply put a clamp on the line from the tank to the bowl. A baby vice grips might be worth throwing in the bottom. They make a purpose built clamp just for doing this. I will look around and see if I have a few. IBM gave us 2 in a kit for replacing the radiators in water cooled machines. I used to have a bunch but I am not sure where I would start to look ;-) The problem with vice grips is the teeth on the jaws is tough on the hose. This thing was round with a thumb screw to tighten it up. I think the perfect solution would be a 3 way valve with a stub of hose that you could poke into a jug to drain the tank. If I was going to install a valve, that is what I would look for. This shows the petcock the owner installed in the Honda. Pretty good idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ5O7Phf7n0 My unit is a bit different. Directly under the carb and to the left of the air filter the hoses are wrapped in gray foam. Not sure if I can get at that lower bowl drain plug without removing the foam 'insulation' first. Must be part of the 'Cold Weather Technology'. Don ... off that subject but I thought I'd pass on this experience again that I had with the Honda. Back in January following almost 2 weeks of unusually cold weather when nighttime temps dropped below zero (F) and daytime temps never got above about 12 degrees F, I decided to fire up the Honda to make sure it was working because a snowstorm was heading our way. It wouldn't start no matter what I did. I must have pulled on that cord a hundred times and it didn't even burp. I took out the plug ... it looked fine. Made sure it had gas, full choke and and vent lever on the gas cap was "on". Still would not start. Don't know what made me think of this but I got a hairdryer, took off the side cover of the Honda and blew hot air all around the carb area, being careful not to get the hairdryer too close. Only did it for a couple of minutes, pulled the starter cord and it fired up right away. Later that day, my next door neighbor couldn't start his identical Honda either. Acted just like mine had. I told him what I did and he tried it also. After warming up the carb area briefly his also fired right up. I suspect that whatever water was in the fuel (there's always a tiny amount) froze in the needle area preventing fuel from flowing. Warming it slightly must have melted it and both mine and his have run fine since. It might have just been so cold the gasoline didn't vaporize properly. If there any chance this was "summer blend" left over from your lawn equipment? They do blend it differently for cold weather. If you are running E-10, water should be a non-issue unless you get so much it phase separates. |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 18:44:43 -0400, John H.
wrote: How much you want for that hair dryer? :) The biggest flaw in that plan is if the power is off and the generator won't start, where do you plug the hair dryer in? |
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On 3/17/2018 6:59 PM, True North wrote:
Snip.... "Don't know what made me think of this but I got a hairdryer, took off the side cover of the Honda and blew hot air all around the carb area, being careful not to get the hairdryer too close. Â*Only did it for a couple of minutes, pulled the starter cord and it fired up right away. Later that day, my next door neighbor couldn't start his identical Honda either. Â*Acted just like mine had. Â*I told him what I did and he tried it also. Â*After warming up the carb area briefly his also fired right up. Â*I suspect that whatever water was in the fuel (there's always a tiny amount) froze in the needle area preventing fuel from flowing. Warming it slightly must have melted it and both mine and his have run fine since." In an emergency that could be tricky. That is...no power to operate the hair dryer. Maybe I should get an inverter anyway...and make my boat battery earn it's keep. The idea is to make sure it runs *before* a storm arrives with it's potential power loss especially if you've had very cold temperatures. |
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On 3/17/2018 7:38 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 18:31:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 6:14 PM, True North wrote: On Saturday, 17 March 2018 16:25:06 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:04:33 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:01:36 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 09:41:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 9:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 7:25 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:19:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" Â*and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. Â*Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples Â*will not draw anywhere near as much gas. Â*If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. There is a youtube vid showing a guy who installed a petcock in the gas line of the little Honda. Good idea. I wish Honda had done something like that. I suppose one could pour out the gas and then let it run 'til dry. But starting it once a month or so is not that hard. There *is* a way to drain the gas from the bowl, provided by Honda. Yes, that's easy. But would more gas enter the bowl from the lines once that screw was closed up again? Yes. One guy simply put a clamp on the line from the tank to the bowl. A baby vice grips might be worth throwing in the bottom. They make a purpose built clamp just for doing this. I will look around and see if I have a few. IBM gave us 2 in a kit for replacing the radiators in water cooled machines. I used to have a bunch but I am not sure where I would start to look ;-) The problem with vice grips is the teeth on the jaws is tough on the hose. This thing was round with a thumb screw to tighten it up. I think the perfect solution would be a 3 way valve with a stub of hose that you could poke into a jug to drain the tank. If I was going to install a valve, that is what I would look for. This shows the petcock the owner installed in the Honda. Pretty good idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ5O7Phf7n0 My unit is a bit different. Directly under the carb and to the left of the air filter the hoses are wrapped in gray foam. Not sure if I can get at that lower bowl drain plug without removing the foam 'insulation' first. Must be part of the 'Cold Weather Technology'. Don ... off that subject but I thought I'd pass on this experience again that I had with the Honda. Back in January following almost 2 weeks of unusually cold weather when nighttime temps dropped below zero (F) and daytime temps never got above about 12 degrees F, I decided to fire up the Honda to make sure it was working because a snowstorm was heading our way. It wouldn't start no matter what I did. I must have pulled on that cord a hundred times and it didn't even burp. I took out the plug ... it looked fine. Made sure it had gas, full choke and and vent lever on the gas cap was "on". Still would not start. Don't know what made me think of this but I got a hairdryer, took off the side cover of the Honda and blew hot air all around the carb area, being careful not to get the hairdryer too close. Only did it for a couple of minutes, pulled the starter cord and it fired up right away. Later that day, my next door neighbor couldn't start his identical Honda either. Acted just like mine had. I told him what I did and he tried it also. After warming up the carb area briefly his also fired right up. I suspect that whatever water was in the fuel (there's always a tiny amount) froze in the needle area preventing fuel from flowing. Warming it slightly must have melted it and both mine and his have run fine since. It might have just been so cold the gasoline didn't vaporize properly. If there any chance this was "summer blend" left over from your lawn equipment? They do blend it differently for cold weather. If you are running E-10, water should be a non-issue unless you get so much it phase separates. Could be. The gas was left over from the summer. |
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True North wrote:
Snip.... "Don't know what made me think of this but I got a hairdryer, took off the side cover of the Honda and blew hot air all around the carb area, being careful not to get the hairdryer too close. Only did it for a couple of minutes, pulled the starter cord and it fired up right away. Later that day, my next door neighbor couldn't start his identical Honda either. Acted just like mine had. I told him what I did and he tried it also. After warming up the carb area briefly his also fired right up. I suspect that whatever water was in the fuel (there's always a tiny amount) froze in the needle area preventing fuel from flowing. Warming it slightly must have melted it and both mine and his have run fine since." In an emergency that could be tricky. That is...no power to operate the hair dryer. Maybe I should get an inverter anyway...and make my boat battery earn it's keep. You would need a huge inverter to power a hair dryer. They are 1500 watts, or so. |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 21:10:56 -0400, Alex wrote:
True North wrote: Snip.... "Don't know what made me think of this but I got a hairdryer, took off the side cover of the Honda and blew hot air all around the carb area, being careful not to get the hairdryer too close. Only did it for a couple of minutes, pulled the starter cord and it fired up right away. Later that day, my next door neighbor couldn't start his identical Honda either. Acted just like mine had. I told him what I did and he tried it also. After warming up the carb area briefly his also fired right up. I suspect that whatever water was in the fuel (there's always a tiny amount) froze in the needle area preventing fuel from flowing. Warming it slightly must have melted it and both mine and his have run fine since." In an emergency that could be tricky. That is...no power to operate the hair dryer. Maybe I should get an inverter anyway...and make my boat battery earn it's keep. You would need a huge inverter to power a hair dryer. They are 1500 watts, or so. A hair dryer is really overkill. You could put a 60w light bulb under the carb and cover it loosely with a towel. In a minute or so the carb would be toasty. They make inverters that plug into a cigarette lighter that will do that. For that matter you could use a 12v headlight bulb and skip the inverter altogether. |
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On Saturday, 17 March 2018 19:14:30 UTC-3, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 17 March 2018 16:25:06 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:04:33 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:01:36 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 09:41:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 9:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 7:25 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:19:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour.. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" Â*and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. Â*Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples Â*will not draw anywhere near as much gas. Â*If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. There is a youtube vid showing a guy who installed a petcock in the gas line of the little Honda. Good idea. I wish Honda had done something like that. I suppose one could pour out the gas and then let it run 'til dry. But starting it once a month or so is not that hard. There *is* a way to drain the gas from the bowl, provided by Honda. Yes, that's easy. But would more gas enter the bowl from the lines once that screw was closed up again? Yes. One guy simply put a clamp on the line from the tank to the bowl. A baby vice grips might be worth throwing in the bottom. They make a purpose built clamp just for doing this. I will look around and see if I have a few. IBM gave us 2 in a kit for replacing the radiators in water cooled machines. I used to have a bunch but I am not sure where I would start to look ;-) The problem with vice grips is the teeth on the jaws is tough on the hose. This thing was round with a thumb screw to tighten it up. I think the perfect solution would be a 3 way valve with a stub of hose that you could poke into a jug to drain the tank. If I was going to install a valve, that is what I would look for. This shows the petcock the owner installed in the Honda. Pretty good idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ5O7Phf7n0 My unit is a bit different. Directly under the carb and to the left of the air filter the hoses are wrapped in gray foam. Not sure if I can get at that lower bowl drain plug without removing the foam 'insulation' first. Must be part of the 'Cold Weather Technology'. I see on the Honda generator website they refer to Cold Climate Technology as some kind of breather heater. You can buy it as an accessory for about $80.00 Seems there was a problem with the breather hose freezing up so they came up with this 'fix'. |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 20:15:40 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
On Saturday, 17 March 2018 19:14:30 UTC-3, True North wrote: On Saturday, 17 March 2018 16:25:06 UTC-3, John H wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:04:33 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:01:36 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 09:41:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 9:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/17/2018 7:25 AM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:19:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - "Don ... suggest you do another test for at least half an hour. Start it up and let it run with the Eco mode "on" *and with *no* load on the generator. Reason? You've suspected that it was flooding. *Running it under a load may cause it to use all the gas the float and bowl can deliver ... so it didn't flood. Running it for at least a half hour ... maybe an hour to compare apple to apples *will not draw anywhere near as much gas. *If the float or something is screwing up it might flood again." Just came in. I ?an the Honda for an hour on Econo Mode with no load. When I first switched over to Econo Mode it almost stumbled for a second but then ran flawlessly. Hopefully I'm good to go. Thanks for the help. Yup, lets just say there was something that needed "breaking in" ;-) Since this thing is so cheap to run, you might as well run it a few more times over the next couple of months to increase your confidence factor. I still think running it dry and storing it that way is best but if not, be sure you stabilize your gas. One of the things I like about my old briggs is the gas tank comes right off with a quick disconnect fuel line connector that shuts off the gas and 4 thumb screws. When I am done, I can shut off the gas, run it dry and empty the tank in my boat. There is a youtube vid showing a guy who installed a petcock in the gas line of the little Honda. Good idea. I wish Honda had done something like that. I suppose one could pour out the gas and then let it run 'til dry. But starting it once a month or so is not that hard. There *is* a way to drain the gas from the bowl, provided by Honda. Yes, that's easy. But would more gas enter the bowl from the lines once that screw was closed up again? Yes. One guy simply put a clamp on the line from the tank to the bowl. A baby vice grips might be worth throwing in the bottom. They make a purpose built clamp just for doing this. I will look around and see if I have a few. IBM gave us 2 in a kit for replacing the radiators in water cooled machines. I used to have a bunch but I am not sure where I would start to look ;-) The problem with vice grips is the teeth on the jaws is tough on the hose. This thing was round with a thumb screw to tighten it up. I think the perfect solution would be a 3 way valve with a stub of hose that you could poke into a jug to drain the tank. If I was going to install a valve, that is what I would look for. This shows the petcock the owner installed in the Honda. Pretty good idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ5O7Phf7n0 My unit is a bit different. Directly under the carb and to the left of the air filter the hoses are wrapped in gray foam. Not sure if I can get at that lower bowl drain plug without removing the foam 'insulation' first. Must be part of the 'Cold Weather Technology'. I see on the Honda generator website they refer to Cold Climate Technology as some kind of breather heater. You can buy it as an accessory for about $80.00 Seems there was a problem with the breather hose freezing up so they came up with this 'fix'. Are you talking about one of these: https://www.babbittshondageneratorho...d-weather-kits In order for it to work, the engine must be running. |
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