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On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 07:59:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

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I bought my Honda in 2000 so it's coming up on 18 years old. Still runs great.


Yeah, my neighbor bought his in 2000 also primarily for camping. 18
years old and it still runs like new.

I've only changed the oil in mine twice in 12 years and it has many,
many hours on it because the contractors used it daily for a summer
to power the stone cutting saw when they were installing the bluestone
for the pool. I figured it was a donation to the pool installation but,
it still runs.

Yesterday I checked the oil level. It's supposed to shut down if the
oil drops too low. Oil was still full on the little dipstick.

I also pulled the spark plug recently figuring that after all the hours
on it the plug probably needed to be replaced. Nope. Electrodes were
still in great shape and even the gap was per spec.

Amazing little generator. The only problem with them is that they
generate 124 vac, single phase only, so you really can't backfeed
a house power panel with them. I ran my furnace yesterday by pulling
out the hot lead for the furnace circuit from the breaker in the
house panel, wirenuted a power cord to it and ran the furnace for a
while off the generator.


This was a good discussion. Made me get off my ass and start mine. Plug looked brand new. Haven't
had near as much use as yours though.
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They say my EU2000i generator was flooded. They drained the carb and supposidly all is well. I'll try it tomorrow when these heavy winds die down.
BTW..didn't realize that the unit pumps more gas in each time you pull the starter cord... no wonder it got flooded. The question is...why did it die after running for 2 or three minutes. Maybe I eased the choke back a bit and turned on the 'Econo' mode before it was fully warmed up.
Mechanic sys to run it each week and counter guy now says to swap out gas for fresh hi test on a monthly basis. D'oh..if I had realized how much trouble these things are for extremely low usage, I might have invested in a few big batteries and a good inverter.


Maybe you just need to get a little more practice. Now that you know
it floods easy stay away from the choke. The way to unflood an engine
is to open the throttle all the way and crank it. In fact that is how
you start a Harley, Flood it, open the throttle and give it a kick.
Nobody uses the choke.
I still recommend a propane kit. Get in touch with US Carburation and
see if they have a kit for your Honda. For extended outages you can
still use gasoline but the propane eliminates the fuel problems, gummy
carbs etc.
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:14:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
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They say my EU2000i generator was flooded. They drained the carb and supposidly all is well. I'll try it tomorrow when these heavy winds die down..
BTW..didn't realize that the unit pumps more gas in each time you pull the starter cord... no wonder it got flooded. The question is...why did it die after running for 2 or three minutes. Maybe I eased the choke back a bit and turned on the 'Econo' mode before it was fully warmed up.
Mechanic sys to run it each week and counter guy now says to swap out gas for fresh hi test on a monthly basis. D'oh..if I had realized how much trouble these things are for extremely low usage, I might have invested in a few big batteries and a good inverter.


Maybe you just need to get a little more practice. Now that you know
it floods easy stay away from the choke. The way to unflood an engine
is to open the throttle all the way and crank it. In fact that is how
you start a Harley, Flood it, open the throttle and give it a kick.
Nobody uses the choke.
I still recommend a propane kit. Get in touch with US Carburation and
see if they have a kit for your Honda. For extended outages you can
still use gasoline but the propane eliminates the fuel problems, gummy
carbs etc.


After paying $1600.00 including taxes, PDI and Delivery, I'm not sinking anything more into it. If it doesn't work today...back to the Honda dealer 10-15 minute drive away. Up until December 31 they were two city blocks away from me...I could have been their worst nightmare. ;-)
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/15/2018 2:01 AM, wrote:

I bought my Honda in 2000 so it's coming up on 18 years old. Still runs great.


Yeah, my neighbor bought his in 2000 also primarily for camping. 18
years old and it still runs like new.

I've only changed the oil in mine twice in 12 years and it has many,
many hours on it because the contractors used it daily for a summer
to power the stone cutting saw when they were installing the bluestone
for the pool. I figured it was a donation to the pool installation but,
it still runs.

Yesterday I checked the oil level. It's supposed to shut down if the
oil drops too low. Oil was still full on the little dipstick.

I also pulled the spark plug recently figuring that after all the hours
on it the plug probably needed to be replaced. Nope. Electrodes were
still in great shape and even the gap was per spec.

Amazing little generator. The only problem with them is that they
generate 124 vac, single phase only, so you really can't backfeed
a house power panel with them. I ran my furnace yesterday by pulling
out the hot lead for the furnace circuit from the breaker in the
house panel, wirenuted a power cord to it and ran the furnace for a
while off the generator.


I have a Yamaha for the camper. Other than having to clean the carb last
year, runs well. Do not use it much camping, maybe 6 hours total in 2
years. Have had it 5 years, figure when the big earthquake comes, I will
have power. And boat fuel tank will supply a out of gas.



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On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 14:11:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim
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True North

"Something doesn’t sound right. I’m thinking the carbs needle valve may have stuck flooding the engine, but it running for a while makes no sense. And changing out the gas every time you turn around seem ridiculous too.
Now that you’re home with it have you tried it? I’m wondering if it’s possible to have a defective coil that malfunctions when it’s warm. Whatever it is Don, I don’t think it’s on your end. I think it needs checked out under a load..."


I'll try the Honda tomorrow.....any problems and back it goes.
I re-visited the manual and it gives about 4 options depending on how often the unit will be used. I'll probably do the long term storage option of running the unit until it stops on Seafoam treated high octane gas and then using my hand pump to empty the tank, then using a drain plug on the carb bottom to remove any gas there.

Next I'll remove the spark plug to either spray the cylinder or put a couple teaspoons of oil in, then pulling the starter to distribute and loosely replace the spark plug. Illkeep a couple liters of treated high test on hand in a small jug..swapping that into the Highlander every month or so.

...

Something tells me they got it runn No for s few second and shut it off. That’s no test. If they’re selling generators they should have the equipment to simulate a load for it and put it through the paces.

Don, I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t screw up again...


On a generator like that a space heater or a hair dryer is a pretty
good dummy load. I used my oven to load up my 5.5 KW for the tests
Wayne and others wanted me to try (scope the wave form, compare
propane to gas performance etc)
That really runs it at close to full rated load.
A hair dryer or a space heater will be 1200w to 1440w from my
experience. (Do not believe those labels on hair dryers. They lie).
That should be enough to test a 2kw generator tho.
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 08:41:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
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On 3/15/2018 8:24 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/15/2018 2:01 AM, wrote:

I bought my Honda in 2000 so it's coming up on 18 years old. Still runs great.


Yeah, my neighbor bought his in 2000 also primarily for camping. 18
years old and it still runs like new.

I've only changed the oil in mine twice in 12 years and it has many,
many hours on it because the contractors used it daily for a summer
to power the stone cutting saw when they were installing the bluestone
for the pool. I figured it was a donation to the pool installation but,
it still runs.

Yesterday I checked the oil level. It's supposed to shut down if the
oil drops too low. Oil was still full on the little dipstick.

I also pulled the spark plug recently figuring that after all the hours
on it the plug probably needed to be replaced. Nope. Electrodes were
still in great shape and even the gap was per spec.

Amazing little generator. The only problem with them is that they
generate 124 vac, single phase only, so you really can't backfeed
a house power panel with them. I ran my furnace yesterday by pulling
out the hot lead for the furnace circuit from the breaker in the
house panel, wirenuted a power cord to it and ran the furnace for a
while off the generator.


You can backfeed one leg. You can also move things around on your
power panel to put all the circuts you want to use on that same
leg. You do need to try to keep the panel balanced. It's pretty
amazing that the little generator can do so much.



It has it's limitations, power-wise but I am willing to deal with that
because it's so quiet and can run all night providing power to
essentials. Can't see having a big, whole house generator for the
number of times we lose power. If necessary I can hook it up to the
furnace and run it for a while.

That said, I was just given a brand new, still in the box, 4800 watt
generator that produces 240 volts. Person who bought it never had to
use it and doesn't need auxiliary power anymore. Don't know what I am
going to do with it yet, if anything, but the price was right. Free.

My brother was using a generator I gave to his step-son (Barry) after
Wilma when Barry had a house in Florida. Contractor type and I couldn't
believe how freakin' noisy those things are. He had it running in his
driveway near the house and you had to shout to carry on a conversation.


I have one of those, 5.5 Briggs. I figured out if you hang mover's
blankets around it, you knock that noise way down. Just be sure it can
breathe and the exhaust is not pointing at the blanket.
Places like Harbor Fright sell those blankets for $7 or so. They are
handy for other things too.
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 09:01:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
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On 3/15/2018 8:50 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/15/2018 8:24 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/15/2018 2:01 AM, wrote:

I bought my Honda in 2000 so it's coming up on 18 years old. Still runs great.


Yeah, my neighbor bought his in 2000 also primarily for camping. 18
years old and it still runs like new.

I've only changed the oil in mine twice in 12 years and it has many,
many hours on it because the contractors used it daily for a summer
to power the stone cutting saw when they were installing the bluestone
for the pool. I figured it was a donation to the pool installation but,
it still runs.

Yesterday I checked the oil level. It's supposed to shut down if the
oil drops too low. Oil was still full on the little dipstick.

I also pulled the spark plug recently figuring that after all the hours
on it the plug probably needed to be replaced. Nope. Electrodes were
still in great shape and even the gap was per spec.

Amazing little generator. The only problem with them is that they
generate 124 vac, single phase only, so you really can't backfeed
a house power panel with them. I ran my furnace yesterday by pulling
out the hot lead for the furnace circuit from the breaker in the
house panel, wirenuted a power cord to it and ran the furnace for a
while off the generator.


You can backfeed one leg. You can also move things around on your
power panel to put all the circuts you want to use on that same
leg. You do need to try to keep the panel balanced. It's pretty
amazing that the little generator can do so much.



It has it's limitations, power-wise but I am willing to deal with that
because it's so quiet and can run all night providing power to
essentials. Can't see having a big, whole house generator for the
number of times we lose power. If necessary I can hook it up to the
furnace and run it for a while.

That said, I was just given a brand new, still in the box, 4800 watt
generator that produces 240 volts. Person who bought it never had to
use it and doesn't need auxiliary power anymore. Don't know what I am
going to do with it yet, if anything, but the price was right. Free.

My brother was using a generator I gave to his step-son (Barry) after
Wilma when Barry had a house in Florida. Contractor type and I couldn't
believe how freakin' noisy those things are. He had it running in his
driveway near the house and you had to shout to carry on a conversation.






I'll bet you could sell it right now and get a good price. I'll be
selling my 6500w gas generator next time there is an extended
power outage in the area. I've had to clean out the carb 3 times
since I bought it in 2004.



Yeah, I learned about the bigger ones in Florida. I think the one I
bought and backfed the power panel with un Anna's "Ranch House" was
either a 12,500 watt or a 14,500 watt. It worked fine although very
noisy but when I realized how much gas it was going through I shut it
off other than for an hour every day and just used the little Honda to
survive for the week plus we were without power.

You know my brother. He's the type that moths fly out of his wallet
when he opens it. We were trying to talk over the din of the generator
that Barry let him use and I was telling him that he should check out
some of the inverter types ... Honda, Yamaha, etc., and said that
besides being quiet, they sip gas compared to the one he was using.

I mentioned that the Honda will run all night powering a space heater,
TV and refrig. He said the one he is using will almost run all night
also. But he forgot to realize the one Barry let him use has a 5
gallon gas tank. The Honda is about 1 gallon.


You might run a couple days on a 20# propane bottle if that is true.
This may be an interesting conversion for you.
http://www.uscarburetion.com/eu2000i_kits.htm

There are different regulators for running off a portable bottle, a
big tank or a natural gas line but those folks are pretty good about
selling you just what you need.
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 09:01:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
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On 3/15/2018 8:50 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/15/2018 8:24 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/15/2018 2:01 AM,
wrote:

I bought my Honda in 2000 so it's coming up on 18 years old. Still runs great.


Yeah, my neighbor bought his in 2000 also primarily for camping. 18
years old and it still runs like new.

I've only changed the oil in mine twice in 12 years and it has many,
many hours on it because the contractors used it daily for a summer
to power the stone cutting saw when they were installing the bluestone
for the pool. I figured it was a donation to the pool installation but,
it still runs.

Yesterday I checked the oil level. It's supposed to shut down if the
oil drops too low. Oil was still full on the little dipstick.

I also pulled the spark plug recently figuring that after all the hours
on it the plug probably needed to be replaced. Nope. Electrodes were
still in great shape and even the gap was per spec.

Amazing little generator. The only problem with them is that they
generate 124 vac, single phase only, so you really can't backfeed
a house power panel with them. I ran my furnace yesterday by pulling
out the hot lead for the furnace circuit from the breaker in the
house panel, wirenuted a power cord to it and ran the furnace for a
while off the generator.


You can backfeed one leg. You can also move things around on your
power panel to put all the circuts you want to use on that same
leg. You do need to try to keep the panel balanced. It's pretty
amazing that the little generator can do so much.



It has it's limitations, power-wise but I am willing to deal with that
because it's so quiet and can run all night providing power to
essentials. Can't see having a big, whole house generator for the
number of times we lose power. If necessary I can hook it up to the
furnace and run it for a while.

That said, I was just given a brand new, still in the box, 4800 watt
generator that produces 240 volts. Person who bought it never had to
use it and doesn't need auxiliary power anymore. Don't know what I am
going to do with it yet, if anything, but the price was right. Free.

My brother was using a generator I gave to his step-son (Barry) after
Wilma when Barry had a house in Florida. Contractor type and I couldn't
believe how freakin' noisy those things are. He had it running in his
driveway near the house and you had to shout to carry on a conversation.






I'll bet you could sell it right now and get a good price. I'll be
selling my 6500w gas generator next time there is an extended
power outage in the area. I've had to clean out the carb 3 times
since I bought it in 2004.



Yeah, I learned about the bigger ones in Florida. I think the one I
bought and backfed the power panel with un Anna's "Ranch House" was
either a 12,500 watt or a 14,500 watt. It worked fine although very
noisy but when I realized how much gas it was going through I shut it
off other than for an hour every day and just used the little Honda to
survive for the week plus we were without power.

You know my brother. He's the type that moths fly out of his wallet
when he opens it. We were trying to talk over the din of the generator
that Barry let him use and I was telling him that he should check out
some of the inverter types ... Honda, Yamaha, etc., and said that
besides being quiet, they sip gas compared to the one he was using.

I mentioned that the Honda will run all night powering a space heater,
TV and refrig. He said the one he is using will almost run all night
also. But he forgot to realize the one Barry let him use has a 5
gallon gas tank. The Honda is about 1 gallon.


You might run a couple days on a 20# propane bottle if that is true.
This may be an interesting conversion for you.
http://www.uscarburetion.com/eu2000i_kits.htm

There are different regulators for running off a portable bottle, a
big tank or a natural gas line but those folks are pretty good about
selling you just what you need.



That's an interesting idea. I have one reservation though. The eu2000i
is only rated for 1600 watts (continuous) and 2000 watts "surge". Those
are ratings for gasoline. I suspect that running on propane would lower
those ratings. True?
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 14:11:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim
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True North

"Something doesn’t sound right. I’m thinking the carbs needle valve may have stuck flooding the engine, but it running for a while makes no sense. And changing out the gas every time you turn around seem ridiculous too.
Now that you’re home with it have you tried it? I’m wondering if it’s possible to have a defective coil that malfunctions when it’s warm. Whatever it is Don, I don’t think it’s on your end. I think it needs checked out under a load..."


I'll try the Honda tomorrow.....any problems and back it goes.
I re-visited the manual and it gives about 4 options depending on how often the unit will be used. I'll probably do the long term storage option of running the unit until it stops on Seafoam treated high octane gas and then using my hand pump to empty the tank, then using a drain plug on the carb bottom to remove any gas there.

Next I'll remove the spark plug to either spray the cylinder or put a couple teaspoons of oil in, then pulling the starter to distribute and loosely replace the spark plug. Illkeep a couple liters of treated high test on hand in a small jug..swapping that into the Highlander every month or so.

...

Something tells me they got it runn No for s few second and shut it off. That’s no test. If they’re selling generators they should have the equipment to simulate a load for it and put it through the paces.

Don, I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t screw up again...


On a generator like that a space heater or a hair dryer is a pretty
good dummy load. I used my oven to load up my 5.5 KW for the tests
Wayne and others wanted me to try (scope the wave form, compare
propane to gas performance etc)
That really runs it at close to full rated load.
A hair dryer or a space heater will be 1200w to 1440w from my
experience. (Do not believe those labels on hair dryers. They lie).
That should be enough to test a 2kw generator tho.


1500 watt space heater is what I use. Does the job.
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