"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/15/2018 8:24 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/15/2018 2:01 AM, wrote:

I bought my Honda in 2000 so it's coming up on 18 years old. Still runs great.


Yeah, my neighbor bought his in 2000 also primarily for camping. 18
years old and it still runs like new.

I've only changed the oil in mine twice in 12 years and it has many,
many hours on it because the contractors used it daily for a summer
to power the stone cutting saw when they were installing the bluestone
for the pool. I figured it was a donation to the pool installation but,
it still runs.

Yesterday I checked the oil level. It's supposed to shut down if the
oil drops too low. Oil was still full on the little dipstick.

I also pulled the spark plug recently figuring that after all the hours
on it the plug probably needed to be replaced. Nope. Electrodes were
still in great shape and even the gap was per spec.

Amazing little generator. The only problem with them is that they
generate 124 vac, single phase only, so you really can't backfeed
a house power panel with them. I ran my furnace yesterday by pulling
out the hot lead for the furnace circuit from the breaker in the
house panel, wirenuted a power cord to it and ran the furnace for a
while off the generator.


You can backfeed one leg. You can also move things around on your
power panel to put all the circuts you want to use on that same
leg. You do need to try to keep the panel balanced. It's pretty
amazing that the little generator can do so much.



It has it's limitations, power-wise but I am willing to deal with that
because it's so quiet and can run all night providing power to
essentials. Can't see having a big, whole house generator for the
number of times we lose power. If necessary I can hook it up to the
furnace and run it for a while.

That said, I was just given a brand new, still in the box, 4800 watt
generator that produces 240 volts. Person who bought it never had to
use it and doesn't need auxiliary power anymore. Don't know what I am
going to do with it yet, if anything, but the price was right. Free.

My brother was using a generator I gave to his step-son (Barry) after
Wilma when Barry had a house in Florida. Contractor type and I couldn't
believe how freakin' noisy those things are. He had it running in his
driveway near the house and you had to shout to carry on a conversation.






I'll bet you could sell it right now and get a good price. I'll be
selling my 6500w gas generator next time there is an extended
power outage in the area. I've had to clean out the carb 3 times
since I bought it in 2004.
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On 3/15/2018 8:50 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/15/2018 8:24 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/15/2018 2:01 AM, wrote:

I bought my Honda in 2000 so it's coming up on 18 years old. Still runs great.


Yeah, my neighbor bought his in 2000 also primarily for camping. 18
years old and it still runs like new.

I've only changed the oil in mine twice in 12 years and it has many,
many hours on it because the contractors used it daily for a summer
to power the stone cutting saw when they were installing the bluestone
for the pool. I figured it was a donation to the pool installation but,
it still runs.

Yesterday I checked the oil level. It's supposed to shut down if the
oil drops too low. Oil was still full on the little dipstick.

I also pulled the spark plug recently figuring that after all the hours
on it the plug probably needed to be replaced. Nope. Electrodes were
still in great shape and even the gap was per spec.

Amazing little generator. The only problem with them is that they
generate 124 vac, single phase only, so you really can't backfeed
a house power panel with them. I ran my furnace yesterday by pulling
out the hot lead for the furnace circuit from the breaker in the
house panel, wirenuted a power cord to it and ran the furnace for a
while off the generator.


You can backfeed one leg. You can also move things around on your
power panel to put all the circuts you want to use on that same
leg. You do need to try to keep the panel balanced. It's pretty
amazing that the little generator can do so much.



It has it's limitations, power-wise but I am willing to deal with that
because it's so quiet and can run all night providing power to
essentials. Can't see having a big, whole house generator for the
number of times we lose power. If necessary I can hook it up to the
furnace and run it for a while.

That said, I was just given a brand new, still in the box, 4800 watt
generator that produces 240 volts. Person who bought it never had to
use it and doesn't need auxiliary power anymore. Don't know what I am
going to do with it yet, if anything, but the price was right. Free.

My brother was using a generator I gave to his step-son (Barry) after
Wilma when Barry had a house in Florida. Contractor type and I couldn't
believe how freakin' noisy those things are. He had it running in his
driveway near the house and you had to shout to carry on a conversation.






I'll bet you could sell it right now and get a good price. I'll be
selling my 6500w gas generator next time there is an extended
power outage in the area. I've had to clean out the carb 3 times
since I bought it in 2004.



Yeah, I learned about the bigger ones in Florida. I think the one I
bought and backfed the power panel with un Anna's "Ranch House" was
either a 12,500 watt or a 14,500 watt. It worked fine although very
noisy but when I realized how much gas it was going through I shut it
off other than for an hour every day and just used the little Honda to
survive for the week plus we were without power.

You know my brother. He's the type that moths fly out of his wallet
when he opens it. We were trying to talk over the din of the generator
that Barry let him use and I was telling him that he should check out
some of the inverter types ... Honda, Yamaha, etc., and said that
besides being quiet, they sip gas compared to the one he was using.

I mentioned that the Honda will run all night powering a space heater,
TV and refrig. He said the one he is using will almost run all night
also. But he forgot to realize the one Barry let him use has a 5
gallon gas tank. The Honda is about 1 gallon.

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 09:01:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2018 8:50 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/15/2018 8:24 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/15/2018 2:01 AM, wrote:

I bought my Honda in 2000 so it's coming up on 18 years old. Still runs great.


Yeah, my neighbor bought his in 2000 also primarily for camping. 18
years old and it still runs like new.

I've only changed the oil in mine twice in 12 years and it has many,
many hours on it because the contractors used it daily for a summer
to power the stone cutting saw when they were installing the bluestone
for the pool. I figured it was a donation to the pool installation but,
it still runs.

Yesterday I checked the oil level. It's supposed to shut down if the
oil drops too low. Oil was still full on the little dipstick.

I also pulled the spark plug recently figuring that after all the hours
on it the plug probably needed to be replaced. Nope. Electrodes were
still in great shape and even the gap was per spec.

Amazing little generator. The only problem with them is that they
generate 124 vac, single phase only, so you really can't backfeed
a house power panel with them. I ran my furnace yesterday by pulling
out the hot lead for the furnace circuit from the breaker in the
house panel, wirenuted a power cord to it and ran the furnace for a
while off the generator.


You can backfeed one leg. You can also move things around on your
power panel to put all the circuts you want to use on that same
leg. You do need to try to keep the panel balanced. It's pretty
amazing that the little generator can do so much.



It has it's limitations, power-wise but I am willing to deal with that
because it's so quiet and can run all night providing power to
essentials. Can't see having a big, whole house generator for the
number of times we lose power. If necessary I can hook it up to the
furnace and run it for a while.

That said, I was just given a brand new, still in the box, 4800 watt
generator that produces 240 volts. Person who bought it never had to
use it and doesn't need auxiliary power anymore. Don't know what I am
going to do with it yet, if anything, but the price was right. Free.

My brother was using a generator I gave to his step-son (Barry) after
Wilma when Barry had a house in Florida. Contractor type and I couldn't
believe how freakin' noisy those things are. He had it running in his
driveway near the house and you had to shout to carry on a conversation.






I'll bet you could sell it right now and get a good price. I'll be
selling my 6500w gas generator next time there is an extended
power outage in the area. I've had to clean out the carb 3 times
since I bought it in 2004.



Yeah, I learned about the bigger ones in Florida. I think the one I
bought and backfed the power panel with un Anna's "Ranch House" was
either a 12,500 watt or a 14,500 watt. It worked fine although very
noisy but when I realized how much gas it was going through I shut it
off other than for an hour every day and just used the little Honda to
survive for the week plus we were without power.

You know my brother. He's the type that moths fly out of his wallet
when he opens it. We were trying to talk over the din of the generator
that Barry let him use and I was telling him that he should check out
some of the inverter types ... Honda, Yamaha, etc., and said that
besides being quiet, they sip gas compared to the one he was using.

I mentioned that the Honda will run all night powering a space heater,
TV and refrig. He said the one he is using will almost run all night
also. But he forgot to realize the one Barry let him use has a 5
gallon gas tank. The Honda is about 1 gallon.


You might run a couple days on a 20# propane bottle if that is true.
This may be an interesting conversion for you.
http://www.uscarburetion.com/eu2000i_kits.htm

There are different regulators for running off a portable bottle, a
big tank or a natural gas line but those folks are pretty good about
selling you just what you need.

On 3/15/2018 2:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 09:01:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2018 8:50 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/15/2018 8:24 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/15/2018 2:01 AM, wrote:

I bought my Honda in 2000 so it's coming up on 18 years old. Still runs great.


Yeah, my neighbor bought his in 2000 also primarily for camping. 18
years old and it still runs like new.

I've only changed the oil in mine twice in 12 years and it has many,
many hours on it because the contractors used it daily for a summer
to power the stone cutting saw when they were installing the bluestone
for the pool. I figured it was a donation to the pool installation but,
it still runs.

Yesterday I checked the oil level. It's supposed to shut down if the
oil drops too low. Oil was still full on the little dipstick.

I also pulled the spark plug recently figuring that after all the hours
on it the plug probably needed to be replaced. Nope. Electrodes were
still in great shape and even the gap was per spec.

Amazing little generator. The only problem with them is that they
generate 124 vac, single phase only, so you really can't backfeed
a house power panel with them. I ran my furnace yesterday by pulling
out the hot lead for the furnace circuit from the breaker in the
house panel, wirenuted a power cord to it and ran the furnace for a
while off the generator.


You can backfeed one leg. You can also move things around on your
power panel to put all the circuts you want to use on that same
leg. You do need to try to keep the panel balanced. It's pretty
amazing that the little generator can do so much.



It has it's limitations, power-wise but I am willing to deal with that
because it's so quiet and can run all night providing power to
essentials. Can't see having a big, whole house generator for the
number of times we lose power. If necessary I can hook it up to the
furnace and run it for a while.

That said, I was just given a brand new, still in the box, 4800 watt
generator that produces 240 volts. Person who bought it never had to
use it and doesn't need auxiliary power anymore. Don't know what I am
going to do with it yet, if anything, but the price was right. Free.

My brother was using a generator I gave to his step-son (Barry) after
Wilma when Barry had a house in Florida. Contractor type and I couldn't
believe how freakin' noisy those things are. He had it running in his
driveway near the house and you had to shout to carry on a conversation.






I'll bet you could sell it right now and get a good price. I'll be
selling my 6500w gas generator next time there is an extended
power outage in the area. I've had to clean out the carb 3 times
since I bought it in 2004.



Yeah, I learned about the bigger ones in Florida. I think the one I
bought and backfed the power panel with un Anna's "Ranch House" was
either a 12,500 watt or a 14,500 watt. It worked fine although very
noisy but when I realized how much gas it was going through I shut it
off other than for an hour every day and just used the little Honda to
survive for the week plus we were without power.

You know my brother. He's the type that moths fly out of his wallet
when he opens it. We were trying to talk over the din of the generator
that Barry let him use and I was telling him that he should check out
some of the inverter types ... Honda, Yamaha, etc., and said that
besides being quiet, they sip gas compared to the one he was using.

I mentioned that the Honda will run all night powering a space heater,
TV and refrig. He said the one he is using will almost run all night
also. But he forgot to realize the one Barry let him use has a 5
gallon gas tank. The Honda is about 1 gallon.


You might run a couple days on a 20# propane bottle if that is true.
This may be an interesting conversion for you.
http://www.uscarburetion.com/eu2000i_kits.htm

There are different regulators for running off a portable bottle, a
big tank or a natural gas line but those folks are pretty good about
selling you just what you need.



That's an interesting idea. I have one reservation though. The eu2000i
is only rated for 1600 watts (continuous) and 2000 watts "surge". Those
are ratings for gasoline. I suspect that running on propane would lower
those ratings. True?

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:54:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2018 2:11 PM, wrote:

You might run a couple days on a 20# propane bottle if that is true.
This may be an interesting conversion for you.
http://www.uscarburetion.com/eu2000i_kits.htm

There are different regulators for running off a portable bottle, a
big tank or a natural gas line but those folks are pretty good about
selling you just what you need.



That's an interesting idea. I have one reservation though. The eu2000i
is only rated for 1600 watts (continuous) and 2000 watts "surge". Those
are ratings for gasoline. I suspect that running on propane would lower
those ratings. True?

I certainly could not see that on my 5.5kw Briggs. I handled 5.3kw (my
oven) on both gasoline and propane with virtually no difference.

http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Ongasoline.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Onpropane.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Waveform.jpg

The energy penalty comes in fuel burn, not performance from what I
see. I burn about 1.6x the amount of propane, compared to gasoline so
the laws of thermodynamics are satisfied.

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 6:21:42 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:54:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2018 2:11 PM, wrote:

You might run a couple days on a 20# propane bottle if that is true.
This may be an interesting conversion for you.
http://www.uscarburetion.com/eu2000i_kits.htm

There are different regulators for running off a portable bottle, a
big tank or a natural gas line but those folks are pretty good about
selling you just what you need.



That's an interesting idea. I have one reservation though. The eu2000i
is only rated for 1600 watts (continuous) and 2000 watts "surge". Those
are ratings for gasoline. I suspect that running on propane would lower
those ratings. True?

I certainly could not see that on my 5.5kw Briggs. I handled 5.3kw (my
oven) on both gasoline and propane with virtually no difference.

http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Ongasoline.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Onpropane.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Waveform.jpg

Ah, a Fluke 8060A multimeter. My favorite... I have one in my desk drawer. Accurate, and measures dB directly (on a 600 ohm balanced pair) which was good for me. Interesting that IBM had Fluke private label for them.

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:38:53 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 6:21:42 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:54:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2018 2:11 PM, wrote:

You might run a couple days on a 20# propane bottle if that is true.
This may be an interesting conversion for you.
http://www.uscarburetion.com/eu2000i_kits.htm

There are different regulators for running off a portable bottle, a
big tank or a natural gas line but those folks are pretty good about
selling you just what you need.



That's an interesting idea. I have one reservation though. The eu2000i
is only rated for 1600 watts (continuous) and 2000 watts "surge". Those
are ratings for gasoline. I suspect that running on propane would lower
those ratings. True?

I certainly could not see that on my 5.5kw Briggs. I handled 5.3kw (my
oven) on both gasoline and propane with virtually no difference.

http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Ongasoline.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Onpropane.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Waveform.jpg

Ah, a Fluke 8060A multimeter. My favorite... I have one in my desk drawer. Accurate, and measures dB directly (on a 600 ohm balanced pair) which was good for me. Interesting that IBM had Fluke private label for them.

They bought a few thousand, same with the Tektronics scopes. I bet we
had more like 10,000 of those Tektronics 453s.
I do think the 8060A was originally built to spec for us tho, at least
that was what they said when we got the first ones.
We had a use for every scale.