On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:54:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2018 2:11 PM, wrote:

You might run a couple days on a 20# propane bottle if that is true.
This may be an interesting conversion for you.
http://www.uscarburetion.com/eu2000i_kits.htm

There are different regulators for running off a portable bottle, a
big tank or a natural gas line but those folks are pretty good about
selling you just what you need.



That's an interesting idea. I have one reservation though. The eu2000i
is only rated for 1600 watts (continuous) and 2000 watts "surge". Those
are ratings for gasoline. I suspect that running on propane would lower
those ratings. True?

I certainly could not see that on my 5.5kw Briggs. I handled 5.3kw (my
oven) on both gasoline and propane with virtually no difference.

http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Ongasoline.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Onpropane.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Waveform.jpg

The energy penalty comes in fuel burn, not performance from what I
see. I burn about 1.6x the amount of propane, compared to gasoline so
the laws of thermodynamics are satisfied.

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 6:21:42 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:54:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2018 2:11 PM, wrote:

You might run a couple days on a 20# propane bottle if that is true.
This may be an interesting conversion for you.
http://www.uscarburetion.com/eu2000i_kits.htm

There are different regulators for running off a portable bottle, a
big tank or a natural gas line but those folks are pretty good about
selling you just what you need.



That's an interesting idea. I have one reservation though. The eu2000i
is only rated for 1600 watts (continuous) and 2000 watts "surge". Those
are ratings for gasoline. I suspect that running on propane would lower
those ratings. True?

I certainly could not see that on my 5.5kw Briggs. I handled 5.3kw (my
oven) on both gasoline and propane with virtually no difference.

http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Ongasoline.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Onpropane.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Waveform.jpg

Ah, a Fluke 8060A multimeter. My favorite... I have one in my desk drawer. Accurate, and measures dB directly (on a 600 ohm balanced pair) which was good for me. Interesting that IBM had Fluke private label for them.

True North wrote:
On Thursday, 15 March 2018 12:34:54 UTC-3, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:14:04 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

They say my EU2000i generator was flooded. They drained the carb and supposidly all is well. I'll try it tomorrow when these heavy winds die down.
BTW..didn't realize that the unit pumps more gas in each time you pull the starter cord... no wonder it got flooded. The question is...why did it die after running for 2 or three minutes. Maybe I eased the choke back a bit and turned on the 'Econo' mode before it was fully warmed up.
Mechanic sys to run it each week and counter guy now says to swap out gas for fresh hi test on a monthly basis. D'oh..if I had realized how much trouble these things are for extremely low usage, I might have invested in a few big batteries and a good inverter.
Maybe you just need to get a little more practice. Now that you know
it floods easy stay away from the choke. The way to unflood an engine
is to open the throttle all the way and crank it. In fact that is how
you start a Harley, Flood it, open the throttle and give it a kick.
Nobody uses the choke.
I still recommend a propane kit. Get in touch with US Carburation and
see if they have a kit for your Honda. For extended outages you can
still use gasoline but the propane eliminates the fuel problems, gummy
carbs etc.
After paying $1600.00 including taxes, PDI and Delivery, I'm not sinking anything more into it. If it doesn't work today...back to the Honda dealer 10-15 minute drive away. Up until December 31 they were two city blocks away from me...I could have been their worst nightmare. ;-)

You paid to have it delivered?

Like a car dealer, that charge covers shipping charges from manufacturer to dealer.

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:38:53 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 6:21:42 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:54:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2018 2:11 PM, wrote:

You might run a couple days on a 20# propane bottle if that is true.
This may be an interesting conversion for you.
http://www.uscarburetion.com/eu2000i_kits.htm

There are different regulators for running off a portable bottle, a
big tank or a natural gas line but those folks are pretty good about
selling you just what you need.



That's an interesting idea. I have one reservation though. The eu2000i
is only rated for 1600 watts (continuous) and 2000 watts "surge". Those
are ratings for gasoline. I suspect that running on propane would lower
those ratings. True?

I certainly could not see that on my 5.5kw Briggs. I handled 5.3kw (my
oven) on both gasoline and propane with virtually no difference.

http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Ongasoline.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Onpropane.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Waveform.jpg

Ah, a Fluke 8060A multimeter. My favorite... I have one in my desk drawer. Accurate, and measures dB directly (on a 600 ohm balanced pair) which was good for me. Interesting that IBM had Fluke private label for them.

They bought a few thousand, same with the Tektronics scopes. I bet we
had more like 10,000 of those Tektronics 453s.
I do think the 8060A was originally built to spec for us tho, at least
that was what they said when we got the first ones.
We had a use for every scale.

True North wrote:
Like a car dealer, that charge covers shipping charges from manufacturer to dealer.


Like a toaster, they don't charge $50 shipping to smart people.

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 8:03:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:38:53 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 6:21:42 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:54:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2018 2:11 PM, wrote:

You might run a couple days on a 20# propane bottle if that is true..
This may be an interesting conversion for you.
http://www.uscarburetion.com/eu2000i_kits.htm

There are different regulators for running off a portable bottle, a
big tank or a natural gas line but those folks are pretty good about
selling you just what you need.



That's an interesting idea. I have one reservation though. The eu2000i
is only rated for 1600 watts (continuous) and 2000 watts "surge". Those
are ratings for gasoline. I suspect that running on propane would lower
those ratings. True?

I certainly could not see that on my 5.5kw Briggs. I handled 5.3kw (my
oven) on both gasoline and propane with virtually no difference.

http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Ongasoline.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Onpropane.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Waveform.jpg

Ah, a Fluke 8060A multimeter. My favorite... I have one in my desk drawer. Accurate, and measures dB directly (on a 600 ohm balanced pair) which was good for me. Interesting that IBM had Fluke private label for them.

They bought a few thousand, same with the Tektronics scopes. I bet we
had more like 10,000 of those Tektronics 453s.
I do think the 8060A was originally built to spec for us tho, at least
that was what they said when we got the first ones.
We had a use for every scale.

Working on computers and printers, you had a use for RMS voltage, dB and frequency measurements? I could see maybe frequency, but audio levels escapes me. They are extremely useful when setting up communication systems. Setting audio levels, compressors, etc.

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 17:36:48 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 8:03:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:38:53 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 6:21:42 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:54:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2018 2:11 PM, wrote:

You might run a couple days on a 20# propane bottle if that is true.
This may be an interesting conversion for you.
http://www.uscarburetion.com/eu2000i_kits.htm

There are different regulators for running off a portable bottle, a
big tank or a natural gas line but those folks are pretty good about
selling you just what you need.



That's an interesting idea. I have one reservation though. The eu2000i
is only rated for 1600 watts (continuous) and 2000 watts "surge". Those
are ratings for gasoline. I suspect that running on propane would lower
those ratings. True?

I certainly could not see that on my 5.5kw Briggs. I handled 5.3kw (my
oven) on both gasoline and propane with virtually no difference.

http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Ongasoline.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Onpropane.jpg
http://gfretwell.com/Propaneproject/Waveform.jpg

Ah, a Fluke 8060A multimeter. My favorite... I have one in my desk drawer. Accurate, and measures dB directly (on a 600 ohm balanced pair) which was good for me. Interesting that IBM had Fluke private label for them.

They bought a few thousand, same with the Tektronics scopes. I bet we
had more like 10,000 of those Tektronics 453s.
I do think the 8060A was originally built to spec for us tho, at least
that was what they said when we got the first ones.
We had a use for every scale.

Working on computers and printers, you had a use for RMS voltage, dB and frequency measurements? I could see maybe frequency, but audio levels escapes me. They are extremely useful when setting up communication systems. Setting audio levels, compressors, etc.

Frequency was handy when you were not sure if you were on a 60hz bus
or a 400 hz bus and we had plenty of communication equipment, back
when you actually had to fix it. The IBM modem had about a dozen cards
in it. we were always fighting with Ma Bell, in the days when nothing
was ever their fault. I spent 3 weeks in Dallas learning what the data
guys at Ma Bell were supposed to know. We could put their ma bell
modems in loop back from the other end and stuff like that. Actually
getting the dB levels we were giving them and what they were sending
back was helpful.
We also had the tools to trap and analyse the data going in and coming
out. You could also emulate either the central site or the remote site
with our data tool (a pretty big processor in a suitcase with just
about every data protocol you would see.)
The tool I didn't have was the one they use to look at phase
distortion on the pair(s) but by the time I got that far, we usually
had the nails in the coffin. (the problem is between point A and B,
your wires and this is how I know).

The frustrating thing was about the time when we really had the
training and tools to fix TP problems, the phone networks went all
digital/fiber and those problems pretty much went away. Our equipment
ended up being one card so there was not much to fix there either.
We went from maintaining data networks to backing up data networks.
The thing that became the cloud.