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Just lost power for 2 hrs. Got my new expensive Honda EU2000i generator out from it's nice cosy warm spot in the den and struggled with it for at least an hour. Had it going a half dozen times but it would surge a bit and then die. Checked my manual and I was doing everything right. Fiddled with the choke to no avail. I had it running in January no problem. Back to the Honda dealer as soon as the storm lets up...tomorrow or Thursday.
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True North wrote:
Just lost power for 2 hrs. Got my new expensive Honda EU2000i generator out from it's nice cosy warm spot in the den and struggled with it for at least an hour. Had it going a half dozen times but it would surge a bit and then die. Checked my manual and I was doing everything right. Fiddled with the choke to no avail. I had it running in January no problem. Back to the Honda dealer as soon as the storm lets up...tomorrow or Thursday. I paid the big money for this model to get reliability. "cosy"? The carb is probably fouled. |
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The thing is only two months old and I had only run it once since buying it. |
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On 3/13/18 8:14 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote: Just lost power for 2 hrs. Got my new expensive Honda EU2000i generator out from it's nice cosy warm spot in the den and struggled with it for at least an hour.Â* Had it going a half dozen times but it would surge a bit and then die.Â* Checked my manual and I was doing everything right. Fiddled with the choke to no avail. I had it running in January no problem.Â* Back to the Honda dealer as soon as the storm lets up...tomorrow or Thursday. I paid the big money for this model to get reliability. "cosy"? The carb is probably fouled. You really shouldn't be commenting on the language skills of other posters, Alex, since yours are barely at the junior high school level. "Cosy" is a Briticism of sorts. It is the British way of spelling the word "cozy" as used in the United States. Since Canada uses the Queen's English, spelling "cozy" "cosy" is neither unusual nor incorrect. |
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On 3/13/18 7:37 PM, True North wrote:
Just lost power for 2 hrs. Got my new expensive Honda EU2000i generator out from it's nice cosy warm spot in the den and struggled with it for at least an hour. Had it going a half dozen times but it would surge a bit and then die. Checked my manual and I was doing everything right. Fiddled with the choke to no avail. I had it running in January no problem. Back to the Honda dealer as soon as the storm lets up...tomorrow or Thursday. I paid the big money for this model to get reliability. Could this be the issue? "The manual for the Honda EU2000 clearly states this, but you need to be sure you adjust that little circular knob on the Fuel Cap to the operating position or the generator will certainly quit after a few minutes operation." |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/18 7:37 PM, True North wrote: Just lost power for 2 hrs. Got my new expensive Honda EU2000i generator out from it's nice cosy warm spot in the den and struggled with it for at least an hour. Had it going a half dozen times but it would surge a bit and then die. Checked my manual and I was doing everything right. Fiddled with the choke to no avail. I had it running in January no problem. Back to the Honda dealer as soon as the storm lets up...tomorrow or Thursday. I paid the big money for this model to get reliability. Could this be the issue? "The manual for the Honda EU2000 clearly states this, but you need to be sure you adjust that little circular knob on the Fuel Cap to the operating position or the generator will certainly quit after a few minutes operation." Probably did not turn off the fuel and let generator runout all the fuel in the lines. Lesson learned the hard way. Had to dip and clean the carb. |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/18 8:14 PM, Alex wrote: True North wrote: Just lost power for 2 hrs. Got my new expensive Honda EU2000i generator out from it's nice cosy warm spot in the den and struggled with it for at least an hour.Â* Had it going a half dozen times but it would surge a bit and then die.Â* Checked my manual and I was doing everything right. Fiddled with the choke to no avail. I had it running in January no problem.Â* Back to the Honda dealer as soon as the storm lets up...tomorrow or Thursday. I paid the big money for this model to get reliability. "cosy"? The carb is probably fouled. You really shouldn't be commenting on the language skills of other posters, Alex, since yours are barely at the junior high school level. "Cosy" is a Briticism of sorts. It is the British way of spelling the word "cozy" as used in the United States. Since Canada uses the Queen's English, spelling "cozy" "cosy" is neither unusual nor incorrect. Maybe commenting on having a generator stored in a cosy/ cozy spot in the den. Most store it in the garage or shed. No fuel smells that way. |
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On Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:51:21 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/18 7:37 PM, True North wrote: Just lost power for 2 hrs. Got my new expensive Honda EU2000i generator out from it's nice cosy warm spot in the den and struggled with it for at least an hour. Had it going a half dozen times but it would surge a bit and then die. Checked my manual and I was doing everything right. Fiddled with the choke to no avail. I had it running in January no problem. Back to the Honda dealer as soon as the storm lets up...tomorrow or Thursday. I paid the big money for this model to get reliability. Could this be the issue? "The manual for the Honda EU2000 clearly states this, but you need to be sure you adjust that little circular knob on the Fuel Cap to the operating position or the generator will certainly quit after a few minutes operation." Probably did not turn off the fuel and let generator runout all the fuel in the lines. Lesson learned the hard way. Had to dip and clean the carb. I did exactly as the manual indicated...nothing less and nothing more. Closing the little vent on the fuel cap is supposed to take the place of an actual fuel tap. |
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 16:37:09 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote: Just lost power for 2 hrs. Got my new expensive Honda EU2000i generator out from it's nice cosy warm spot in the den and struggled with it for at least an hour. Had it going a half dozen times but it would surge a bit and then die. Checked my manual and I was doing everything right. Fiddled with the choke to no avail. I had it running in January no problem. Back to the Honda dealer as soon as the storm lets up...tomorrow or Thursday. I paid the big money for this model to get reliability. How old is the fuel? Did you drain it and run it dry in January? |
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:35:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 3/13/18 7:37 PM, True North wrote: Just lost power for 2 hrs. Got my new expensive Honda EU2000i generator out from it's nice cosy warm spot in the den and struggled with it for at least an hour. Had it going a half dozen times but it would surge a bit and then die. Checked my manual and I was doing everything right. Fiddled with the choke to no avail. I had it running in January no problem. Back to the Honda dealer as soon as the storm lets up...tomorrow or Thursday. I paid the big money for this model to get reliability. Could this be the issue? "The manual for the Honda EU2000 clearly states this, but you need to be sure you adjust that little circular knob on the Fuel Cap to the operating position or the generator will certainly quit after a few minutes operation." That may be right. No vent. If in doubt, take the cap off. |
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I bought the generator brand spanking new in early January. The counter guy filled the tank and was supposed to have test run the unit.
I brought it home and a few weeks later started it up and ran it for between 5 and 10 minutes. As suggested by the salesman, I planned to remove the 2 month old gas this month and put fresh hi test in and run the unit for a bit. The guy recommended I do this every two months. |
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Come to think of it...I didn't see him open the sealed box, remove the motor and put the gas in....as I had paid $50 For the pre delivery inspection.
Did he give me bad gas....Maybe a returned unit that someone had and decided to upgrade? Even a cynical person like me can get crazy dreaming up all the potential causes. Maybe it's simply a defective part...gas cap, plug, choke etc. |
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 19:12:54 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote: I bought the generator brand spanking new in early January. The counter guy filled the tank and was supposed to have test run the unit. I brought it home and a few weeks later started it up and ran it for between 5 and 10 minutes. As suggested by the salesman, I planned to remove the 2 month old gas this month and put fresh hi test in and run the unit for a bit. The guy recommended I do this every two months. I try not to store anything with fuel in it, particularly if it is E10. I suppose you can use a stabilizer but I think dry is better. I am also not sure there is any advantage of high test in a low compression engine. I am actually pretty happy with the propane conversion. No gasoline at all. On a little genny like that a 20# bottle would not be unreasonable and if you got a bigger one it would run a real long time. On my 5.5KW I figure the propane burn is about 1.6x that of gasoline gallon for gallon. |
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I try to only run regular gasoline through my Honda. If I can't find rec fuel and have to use E-10 I run it dry and don't leave any in the tank.
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On 3/13/2018 8:35 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/18 7:37 PM, True North wrote: Just lost power for 2 hrs. Got my new expensive Honda EU2000i generator out from it's nice cosy warm spot in the den and struggled with it for at least an hour.Â* Had it going a half dozen times but it would surge a bit and then die.Â* Checked my manual and I was doing everything right. Fiddled with the choke to no avail. I had it running in January no problem.Â* Back to the Honda dealer as soon as the storm lets up...tomorrow or Thursday. I paid the big money for this model to get reliability. Could this be the issue? "The manual for the Honda EU2000 clearly states this, but you need to be sure you adjust that little circular knob on the Fuel Cap to the operating position or the generator will certainly quit after a few minutes operation." That's a good point. Forgot about that once and yup, it dies due to fuel starvation. |
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On 3/14/2018 5:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/13/2018 11:37 PM, wrote: I try to only run regular gasoline through my Honda. If I can't find rec fuel and have to use E-10 I run it dry and don't leave any in the tank. Same here.Â* 87 octane regular.Â* Only thing I do is try to remember to put some Sabil in the gas jug, sorta per the directions before I fill up the generator.Â* You never know how long it may not be used. I've mentioned this before but the little Honda I have started up and ran fine with 5 year old fuel in it.Â* Probably not recommended, but it fired up and burned through almost a gallon of the old fuel with no problems. Try "Sta-bil" instead of "Sabil". Tying too fast because I am all excited to have power. Funny ... power was out but cable still worked. |
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 18:13:23 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:35:22 UTC-3, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/18 7:37 PM, True North wrote: Just lost power for 2 hrs. Got my new expensive Honda EU2000i generator out from it's nice cosy warm spot in the den and struggled with it for at least an hour. Had it going a half dozen times but it would surge a bit and then die. Checked my manual and I was doing everything right. Fiddled with the choke to no avail. I had it running in January no problem. Back to the Honda dealer as soon as the storm lets up...tomorrow or Thursday. I paid the big money for this model to get reliability. Could this be the issue? "The manual for the Honda EU2000 clearly states this, but you need to be sure you adjust that little circular knob on the Fuel Cap to the operating position or the generator will certainly quit after a few minutes operation." Yes, I knew about that gas cap lever. I even loosened the gas cap in case that 'vent' was clogged. I opened and closed it several times..same as turning the off and on control...moving the choke to the starting position and trying to move it around thinking that it was stored in a reasonably warm spot and might not need full choke. Oh yeah, I also did as they suggested with the Econo mode rocker switch. (Off position while starting) Hope the repair guys arn't too busy. Turn the run knob to off, crank a few times, then back to on. Try it then. |
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 19:12:54 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
I bought the generator brand spanking new in early January. The counter guy filled the tank and was supposed to have test run the unit. I brought it home and a few weeks later started it up and ran it for between 5 and 10 minutes. As suggested by the salesman, I planned to remove the 2 month old gas this month and put fresh hi test in and run the unit for a bit. The guy recommended I do this every two months. 'Hi test'? Honda engines are designed and certified to run on regular unleaded gasoline. I'm beginning to wonder about your sales people up there. |
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On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 5:08:33 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:37:55 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I try to only run regular gasoline through my Honda. If I can't find rec fuel and have to use E-10 I run it dry and don't leave any in the tank. "Honda engines are designed and certified to run on regular unleaded gasoline." Right off their web site. The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly. |
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On 3/14/2018 6:14 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 5:08:33 PM UTC-5, John H wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:37:55 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I try to only run regular gasoline through my Honda. If I can't find rec fuel and have to use E-10 I run it dry and don't leave any in the tank. "Honda engines are designed and certified to run on regular unleaded gasoline." Right off their web site. The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly. That might be an issue I've avoided with the little Honda I have. I mentioned several times here that it ran fine with 5 year old gas in it treated with Sta-bil. However, I've always paid attention to the load it has, never trying to exceed 6 or 7 amps, because it can deliver that at 121-124 volts ac and still maintain 60 hz on the "Eco" setting. It will run overnight on about a gallon of gas that way. It could be that if I tried to power stuff up to it's full 13.5 amp (continuous) capacity, it might exhibit lost power at full speed on the old gas. I ran a large, built in microwave yesterday. It pulled more than the Honda's continuous rating ... about 14.5 amps, but it handled it ok. IIRC, the eu2000i is rated at 1600 watts continuous and 2000 watts peak. |
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"The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly".Â* Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on. |
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John H. wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 19:12:54 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: I bought the generator brand spanking new in early January. The counter guy filled the tank and was supposed to have test run the unit. I brought it home and a few weeks later started it up and ran it for between 5 and 10 minutes. As suggested by the salesman, I planned to remove the 2 month old gas this month and put fresh hi test in and run the unit for a bit. The guy recommended I do this every two months. 'Hi test'? Honda engines are designed and certified to run on regular unleaded gasoline. I'm beginning to wonder about your sales people up there. Yup. $50 for a "pre-delivery inspection"? That's a scam. |
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote: show quoted text - "The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly".Â* Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on. The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that does not mean all high test is E-0 |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 11:21:05 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 08:12:04 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:24:29 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: show quoted text - "The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly".* Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on. The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that does not mean all high test is E-0 I've no idea why the dealer told Donnie to use high test. The book is very clear about using regular gas with ethanol no greater than 10%. Latest issue of American Motorcyclist Magazine has an article: "The ethanol industry is pushing federal regulators and lawmakers to approve the use of E30 fuel in non-flex fuel vehicles. E30 contains 30 percent ethanol and 70 percent gasoline, by volume. Most of the fuel sold in the United States contains 10 percent ethanol (E10). E15 fuel is approved for use in 2001 and newer passenger cars, but not in any motorcycles. Blends with higher ethanol content are restricted to flex-fuel vehicles—that is, vehicles specifically designed to operate on fuel with high-ethanol content. The sale of E30 for use in non-flex-fuel vehicles would require a waiver from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Emily Skor, CEO of the ethanol group Growth Energy, said she wants cities like Chicago, Dallas and Atlanta to follow the lead of South Dakota and permit the widespread availability of E30 fuel. The AMA opposes the spread of fuel blends containing more than 10 percent ethanol because confusing labels and lackluster enforcement can lead to misfueling, which can cause engine damage and void warranties. Studies show that most drivers and riders shop first for price. Because ethanol blends are usually cheaper at the pump, motorcyclists could inadvertently fill their bikes’ tanks with illegal fuel that could damage their engines and fuel systems and also void manufacturer warranties." Boat people are having the same problem. There are no outboards right now that say they will burn E15. This is just a huge boondoggle to benefit Cargil and ADM. Unfortunately the phony "environmentalists" who really just hate oil are on board in spite of the fact that ethanol is worse for the environment than petrol. My prediction that we will run out of water long before we run out of oil is starting to be more apparent. I know it is popular to blame earthquakes on fracking but nobody mentions the fact that they have also pumped the Ogalalla down to the point that they are having the equivalent of underground sink holes around the midwest as the earth is moving to consolidate because the water that was holding things up was pumped out onto corn fields from Oklahoma to Minnesota. Honda generator owners will have the problem also! Book is very specific - no more than 10% ethanol. |
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Mar 15Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - I think the sales guy is giving Don a bull**** story. ..... That’s never surprising. I think my cardiologist would make a great used car salesman too. |
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On 16 Mar 2018 15:34:02 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 08:12:04 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:24:29 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: show quoted text - "The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly".* Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on. The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that does not mean all high test is E-0 I've no idea why the dealer told Donnie to use high test. The book is very clear about using regular gas with ethanol no greater than 10%. Latest issue of American Motorcyclist Magazine has an article: "The ethanol industry is pushing federal regulators and lawmakers to approve the use of E30 fuel in non-flex fuel vehicles. E30 contains 30 percent ethanol and 70 percent gasoline, by volume. Most of the fuel sold in the United States contains 10 percent ethanol (E10). E15 fuel is approved for use in 2001 and newer passenger cars, but not in any motorcycles. Blends with higher ethanol content are restricted to flex-fuel vehicles—that is, vehicles specifically designed to operate on fuel with high-ethanol content. The sale of E30 for use in non-flex-fuel vehicles would require a waiver from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Emily Skor, CEO of the ethanol group Growth Energy, said she wants cities like Chicago, Dallas and Atlanta to follow the lead of South Dakota and permit the widespread availability of E30 fuel. The AMA opposes the spread of fuel blends containing more than 10 percent ethanol because confusing labels and lackluster enforcement can lead to misfueling, which can cause engine damage and void warranties. Studies show that most drivers and riders shop first for price. Because ethanol blends are usually cheaper at the pump, motorcyclists could inadvertently fill their bikes’ tanks with illegal fuel that could damage their engines and fuel systems and also void manufacturer warranties." Boat people are having the same problem. There are no outboards right now that say they will burn E15. This is just a huge boondoggle to benefit Cargil and ADM. Unfortunately the phony "environmentalists" who really just hate oil are on board in spite of the fact that ethanol is worse for the environment than petrol. My prediction that we will run out of water long before we run out of oil is starting to be more apparent. I know it is popular to blame earthquakes on fracking but nobody mentions the fact that they have also pumped the Ogalalla down to the point that they are having the equivalent of underground sink holes around the midwest as the earth is moving to consolidate because the water that was holding things up was pumped out onto corn fields from Oklahoma to Minnesota. Gosh...geology, too. How are you on planetary mechanics? I am really surprised that Greg ever condescends to grace you with a decent reply to anything. You are truly an asshole of the highest order. I'm sure Donnie would wholeheartedly agree with this. |
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"I'm sure Donnie would wholeheartedly agree with this." I would wholeheartedly agree that there's very little y'all blather that's agreeable. |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:34:07 -0400, John H.
wrote: On 16 Mar 2018 15:34:02 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 08:12:04 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:24:29 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: show quoted text - "The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly".Â* Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on. The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that does not mean all high test is E-0 I've no idea why the dealer told Donnie to use high test. The book is very clear about using regular gas with ethanol no greater than 10%. Latest issue of American Motorcyclist Magazine has an article: "The ethanol industry is pushing federal regulators and lawmakers to approve the use of E30 fuel in non-flex fuel vehicles. E30 contains 30 percent ethanol and 70 percent gasoline, by volume. Most of the fuel sold in the United States contains 10 percent ethanol (E10). E15 fuel is approved for use in 2001 and newer passenger cars, but not in any motorcycles. Blends with higher ethanol content are restricted to flex-fuel vehicles—that is, vehicles specifically designed to operate on fuel with high-ethanol content. The sale of E30 for use in non-flex-fuel vehicles would require a waiver from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Emily Skor, CEO of the ethanol group Growth Energy, said she wants cities like Chicago, Dallas and Atlanta to follow the lead of South Dakota and permit the widespread availability of E30 fuel. The AMA opposes the spread of fuel blends containing more than 10 percent ethanol because confusing labels and lackluster enforcement can lead to misfueling, which can cause engine damage and void warranties. Studies show that most drivers and riders shop first for price. Because ethanol blends are usually cheaper at the pump, motorcyclists could inadvertently fill their bikes’ tanks with illegal fuel that could damage their engines and fuel systems and also void manufacturer warranties." Boat people are having the same problem. There are no outboards right now that say they will burn E15. This is just a huge boondoggle to benefit Cargil and ADM. Unfortunately the phony "environmentalists" who really just hate oil are on board in spite of the fact that ethanol is worse for the environment than petrol. My prediction that we will run out of water long before we run out of oil is starting to be more apparent. I know it is popular to blame earthquakes on fracking but nobody mentions the fact that they have also pumped the Ogalalla down to the point that they are having the equivalent of underground sink holes around the midwest as the earth is moving to consolidate because the water that was holding things up was pumped out onto corn fields from Oklahoma to Minnesota. Gosh...geology, too. How are you on planetary mechanics? I am really surprised that Greg ever condescends to grace you with a decent reply to anything. He has the least amount of intellectual curiosity of anyone I think I have ever met. He seems shocked that someone could actually seek and find knowledge without paying someone to teach it to them. Perhaps he should google up "autodidact". It is the antithesis of his philosophy of how you learn. |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 16:41:26 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:34:07 -0400, John H. wrote: On 16 Mar 2018 15:34:02 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 08:12:04 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:24:29 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: show quoted text - "The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly".* Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on. The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that does not mean all high test is E-0 I've no idea why the dealer told Donnie to use high test. The book is very clear about using regular gas with ethanol no greater than 10%. Latest issue of American Motorcyclist Magazine has an article: "The ethanol industry is pushing federal regulators and lawmakers to approve the use of E30 fuel in non-flex fuel vehicles. E30 contains 30 percent ethanol and 70 percent gasoline, by volume. Most of the fuel sold in the United States contains 10 percent ethanol (E10). E15 fuel is approved for use in 2001 and newer passenger cars, but not in any motorcycles. Blends with higher ethanol content are restricted to flex-fuel vehicles—that is, vehicles specifically designed to operate on fuel with high-ethanol content. The sale of E30 for use in non-flex-fuel vehicles would require a waiver from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Emily Skor, CEO of the ethanol group Growth Energy, said she wants cities like Chicago, Dallas and Atlanta to follow the lead of South Dakota and permit the widespread availability of E30 fuel. The AMA opposes the spread of fuel blends containing more than 10 percent ethanol because confusing labels and lackluster enforcement can lead to misfueling, which can cause engine damage and void warranties. Studies show that most drivers and riders shop first for price. Because ethanol blends are usually cheaper at the pump, motorcyclists could inadvertently fill their bikes’ tanks with illegal fuel that could damage their engines and fuel systems and also void manufacturer warranties." Boat people are having the same problem. There are no outboards right now that say they will burn E15. This is just a huge boondoggle to benefit Cargil and ADM. Unfortunately the phony "environmentalists" who really just hate oil are on board in spite of the fact that ethanol is worse for the environment than petrol. My prediction that we will run out of water long before we run out of oil is starting to be more apparent. I know it is popular to blame earthquakes on fracking but nobody mentions the fact that they have also pumped the Ogalalla down to the point that they are having the equivalent of underground sink holes around the midwest as the earth is moving to consolidate because the water that was holding things up was pumped out onto corn fields from Oklahoma to Minnesota. Gosh...geology, too. How are you on planetary mechanics? I am really surprised that Greg ever condescends to grace you with a decent reply to anything. He has the least amount of intellectual curiosity of anyone I think I have ever met. He seems shocked that someone could actually seek and find knowledge without paying someone to teach it to them. Perhaps he should google up "autodidact". It is the antithesis of his philosophy of how you learn. When one is omniscient, as he seems to think he is, then intellectual curiosity is needless. However, I can't understand his need to berate someone who *is* intellectually curious and attempts to resolve that curiosity. |
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On 3/16/2018 4:41 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:34:07 -0400, John H. wrote: On 16 Mar 2018 15:34:02 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 08:12:04 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:24:29 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: show quoted text - "The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly". Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on. The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that does not mean all high test is E-0 I've no idea why the dealer told Donnie to use high test. The book is very clear about using regular gas with ethanol no greater than 10%. Latest issue of American Motorcyclist Magazine has an article: "The ethanol industry is pushing federal regulators and lawmakers to approve the use of E30 fuel in non-flex fuel vehicles. E30 contains 30 percent ethanol and 70 percent gasoline, by volume. Most of the fuel sold in the United States contains 10 percent ethanol (E10). E15 fuel is approved for use in 2001 and newer passenger cars, but not in any motorcycles. Blends with higher ethanol content are restricted to flex-fuel vehicles—that is, vehicles specifically designed to operate on fuel with high-ethanol content. The sale of E30 for use in non-flex-fuel vehicles would require a waiver from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Emily Skor, CEO of the ethanol group Growth Energy, said she wants cities like Chicago, Dallas and Atlanta to follow the lead of South Dakota and permit the widespread availability of E30 fuel. The AMA opposes the spread of fuel blends containing more than 10 percent ethanol because confusing labels and lackluster enforcement can lead to misfueling, which can cause engine damage and void warranties. Studies show that most drivers and riders shop first for price. Because ethanol blends are usually cheaper at the pump, motorcyclists could inadvertently fill their bikes’ tanks with illegal fuel that could damage their engines and fuel systems and also void manufacturer warranties." Boat people are having the same problem. There are no outboards right now that say they will burn E15. This is just a huge boondoggle to benefit Cargil and ADM. Unfortunately the phony "environmentalists" who really just hate oil are on board in spite of the fact that ethanol is worse for the environment than petrol. My prediction that we will run out of water long before we run out of oil is starting to be more apparent. I know it is popular to blame earthquakes on fracking but nobody mentions the fact that they have also pumped the Ogalalla down to the point that they are having the equivalent of underground sink holes around the midwest as the earth is moving to consolidate because the water that was holding things up was pumped out onto corn fields from Oklahoma to Minnesota. Gosh...geology, too. How are you on planetary mechanics? I am really surprised that Greg ever condescends to grace you with a decent reply to anything. He has the least amount of intellectual curiosity of anyone I think I have ever met. He seems shocked that someone could actually seek and find knowledge without paying someone to teach it to them. Perhaps he should google up "autodidact". It is the antithesis of his philosophy of how you learn. Very true. He likes to boast of his superior "education" but in reality seems to know very little other than how to spell or recite passages from Shakespeare. |
What the #$%#&*
On 3/16/18 2:02 PM, wrote:
On 16 Mar 2018 15:34:02 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 08:12:04 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:24:29 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: show quoted text - "The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly". Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on. The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that does not mean all high test is E-0 I've no idea why the dealer told Donnie to use high test. The book is very clear about using regular gas with ethanol no greater than 10%. Latest issue of American Motorcyclist Magazine has an article: "The ethanol industry is pushing federal regulators and lawmakers to approve the use of E30 fuel in non-flex fuel vehicles. E30 contains 30 percent ethanol and 70 percent gasoline, by volume. Most of the fuel sold in the United States contains 10 percent ethanol (E10). E15 fuel is approved for use in 2001 and newer passenger cars, but not in any motorcycles. Blends with higher ethanol content are restricted to flex-fuel vehicles—that is, vehicles specifically designed to operate on fuel with high-ethanol content. The sale of E30 for use in non-flex-fuel vehicles would require a waiver from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Emily Skor, CEO of the ethanol group Growth Energy, said she wants cities like Chicago, Dallas and Atlanta to follow the lead of South Dakota and permit the widespread availability of E30 fuel. The AMA opposes the spread of fuel blends containing more than 10 percent ethanol because confusing labels and lackluster enforcement can lead to misfueling, which can cause engine damage and void warranties. Studies show that most drivers and riders shop first for price. Because ethanol blends are usually cheaper at the pump, motorcyclists could inadvertently fill their bikes’ tanks with illegal fuel that could damage their engines and fuel systems and also void manufacturer warranties." Boat people are having the same problem. There are no outboards right now that say they will burn E15. This is just a huge boondoggle to benefit Cargil and ADM. Unfortunately the phony "environmentalists" who really just hate oil are on board in spite of the fact that ethanol is worse for the environment than petrol. My prediction that we will run out of water long before we run out of oil is starting to be more apparent. I know it is popular to blame earthquakes on fracking but nobody mentions the fact that they have also pumped the Ogalalla down to the point that they are having the equivalent of underground sink holes around the midwest as the earth is moving to consolidate because the water that was holding things up was pumped out onto corn fields from Oklahoma to Minnesota. Gosh...geology, too. How are you on planetary mechanics? This is not my theory, I am just relating things more qualified people than both of us say. If you actually paid attention to anything but MSNBC or Russia Russia Russia, you would have heard something about the draining of the Ogalalla and it's effect on the geology. I bet you even think your water supply is safe. I also understand how these things impacts my state. It appears you went to college back during the Johnson administration and then said you knew everything so you did not have to study anything after that. I have a relative who is a licensed and board certified environmental engineer. She knows quite a bit about natural water supplies. If I have questions about such, I'll ask her. There have been many predictions that we will "run out of water," and science news programs about the Ogallala Aquifer and its various impacts. I've watched some of them. Usually, I don't watch pop science programs and then regurgitate a bit of them here for the hoi polloi. |
What the #$%#&*
On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 4:56:57 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/16/2018 4:41 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:34:07 -0400, John H. wrote: On 16 Mar 2018 15:34:02 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 08:12:04 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:24:29 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: show quoted text - "The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly". Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on. The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that does not mean all high test is E-0 I've no idea why the dealer told Donnie to use high test. The book is very clear about using regular gas with ethanol no greater than 10%. Latest issue of American Motorcyclist Magazine has an article: "The ethanol industry is pushing federal regulators and lawmakers to approve the use of E30 fuel in non-flex fuel vehicles. E30 contains 30 percent ethanol and 70 percent gasoline, by volume. Most of the fuel sold in the United States contains 10 percent ethanol (E10). E15 fuel is approved for use in 2001 and newer passenger cars, but not in any motorcycles. Blends with higher ethanol content are restricted to flex-fuel vehicles—that is, vehicles specifically designed to operate on fuel with high-ethanol content. The sale of E30 for use in non-flex-fuel vehicles would require a waiver from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Emily Skor, CEO of the ethanol group Growth Energy, said she wants cities like Chicago, Dallas and Atlanta to follow the lead of South Dakota and permit the widespread availability of E30 fuel. The AMA opposes the spread of fuel blends containing more than 10 percent ethanol because confusing labels and lackluster enforcement can lead to misfueling, which can cause engine damage and void warranties. Studies show that most drivers and riders shop first for price. Because ethanol blends are usually cheaper at the pump, motorcyclists could inadvertently fill their bikes’ tanks with illegal fuel that could damage their engines and fuel systems and also void manufacturer warranties." Boat people are having the same problem. There are no outboards right now that say they will burn E15. This is just a huge boondoggle to benefit Cargil and ADM. Unfortunately the phony "environmentalists" who really just hate oil are on board in spite of the fact that ethanol is worse for the environment than petrol. My prediction that we will run out of water long before we run out of oil is starting to be more apparent. I know it is popular to blame earthquakes on fracking but nobody mentions the fact that they have also pumped the Ogalalla down to the point that they are having the equivalent of underground sink holes around the midwest as the earth is moving to consolidate because the water that was holding things up was pumped out onto corn fields from Oklahoma to Minnesota. Gosh...geology, too. How are you on planetary mechanics? I am really surprised that Greg ever condescends to grace you with a decent reply to anything. He has the least amount of intellectual curiosity of anyone I think I have ever met. He seems shocked that someone could actually seek and find knowledge without paying someone to teach it to them. Perhaps he should google up "autodidact". It is the antithesis of his philosophy of how you learn. Very true. He likes to boast of his superior "education" but in reality seems to know very little other than how to spell or recite passages from Shakespeare. So true. |
What the #$%#&*
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 3/16/18 2:02 PM, wrote: On 16 Mar 2018 15:34:02 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 08:12:04 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:24:29 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: show quoted text - "The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly". Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on. The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that does not mean all high test is E-0 I've no idea why the dealer told Donnie to use high test. The book is very clear about using regular gas with ethanol no greater than 10%. Latest issue of American Motorcyclist Magazine has an article: "The ethanol industry is pushing federal regulators and lawmakers to approve the use of E30 fuel in non-flex fuel vehicles. E30 contains 30 percent ethanol and 70 percent gasoline, by volume. Most of the fuel sold in the United States contains 10 percent ethanol (E10). E15 fuel is approved for use in 2001 and newer passenger cars, but not in any motorcycles. Blends with higher ethanol content are restricted to flex-fuel vehicles—that is, vehicles specifically designed to operate on fuel with high-ethanol content. The sale of E30 for use in non-flex-fuel vehicles would require a waiver from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Emily Skor, CEO of the ethanol group Growth Energy, said she wants cities like Chicago, Dallas and Atlanta to follow the lead of South Dakota and permit the widespread availability of E30 fuel. The AMA opposes the spread of fuel blends containing more than 10 percent ethanol because confusing labels and lackluster enforcement can lead to misfueling, which can cause engine damage and void warranties. Studies show that most drivers and riders shop first for price. Because ethanol blends are usually cheaper at the pump, motorcyclists could inadvertently fill their bikes’ tanks with illegal fuel that could damage their engines and fuel systems and also void manufacturer warranties." Boat people are having the same problem. There are no outboards right now that say they will burn E15. This is just a huge boondoggle to benefit Cargil and ADM. Unfortunately the phony "environmentalists" who really just hate oil are on board in spite of the fact that ethanol is worse for the environment than petrol. My prediction that we will run out of water long before we run out of oil is starting to be more apparent. I know it is popular to blame earthquakes on fracking but nobody mentions the fact that they have also pumped the Ogalalla down to the point that they are having the equivalent of underground sink holes around the midwest as the earth is moving to consolidate because the water that was holding things up was pumped out onto corn fields from Oklahoma to Minnesota. Gosh...geology, too. How are you on planetary mechanics? This is not my theory, I am just relating things more qualified people than both of us say. If you actually paid attention to anything but MSNBC or Russia Russia Russia, you would have heard something about the draining of the Ogalalla and it's effect on the geology. I bet you even think your water supply is safe. I also understand how these things impacts my state. It appears you went to college back during the Johnson administration and then said you knew everything so you did not have to study anything after that. I have a relative who is a licensed and board certified environmental engineer. She knows quite a bit about natural water supplies. If I have questions about such, I'll ask her. There have been many predictions that we will "run out of water," and science news programs about the Ogallala Aquifer and its various impacts. I've watched some of them. Usually, I don't watch pop science programs and then regurgitate a bit of them here for the hoi polloi. So now the depletion of the Ogalalla aquifer is just pop science and the world is not having problems with water supplies in general. Maybe you should talk to your relative more often. I guess you think that as long as your well is still pumping, things are fine everywhere. Has the static level been checked lately and where was it 20 years ago? |
What the #$%#&*
On 3/16/18 10:03 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/16/18 2:02 PM, wrote: On 16 Mar 2018 15:34:02 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 08:12:04 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:24:29 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: show quoted text - "The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly". Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on. The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that does not mean all high test is E-0 I've no idea why the dealer told Donnie to use high test. The book is very clear about using regular gas with ethanol no greater than 10%. Latest issue of American Motorcyclist Magazine has an article: "The ethanol industry is pushing federal regulators and lawmakers to approve the use of E30 fuel in non-flex fuel vehicles. E30 contains 30 percent ethanol and 70 percent gasoline, by volume. Most of the fuel sold in the United States contains 10 percent ethanol (E10). E15 fuel is approved for use in 2001 and newer passenger cars, but not in any motorcycles. Blends with higher ethanol content are restricted to flex-fuel vehicles—that is, vehicles specifically designed to operate on fuel with high-ethanol content. The sale of E30 for use in non-flex-fuel vehicles would require a waiver from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Emily Skor, CEO of the ethanol group Growth Energy, said she wants cities like Chicago, Dallas and Atlanta to follow the lead of South Dakota and permit the widespread availability of E30 fuel. The AMA opposes the spread of fuel blends containing more than 10 percent ethanol because confusing labels and lackluster enforcement can lead to misfueling, which can cause engine damage and void warranties. Studies show that most drivers and riders shop first for price. Because ethanol blends are usually cheaper at the pump, motorcyclists could inadvertently fill their bikes’ tanks with illegal fuel that could damage their engines and fuel systems and also void manufacturer warranties." Boat people are having the same problem. There are no outboards right now that say they will burn E15. This is just a huge boondoggle to benefit Cargil and ADM. Unfortunately the phony "environmentalists" who really just hate oil are on board in spite of the fact that ethanol is worse for the environment than petrol. My prediction that we will run out of water long before we run out of oil is starting to be more apparent. I know it is popular to blame earthquakes on fracking but nobody mentions the fact that they have also pumped the Ogalalla down to the point that they are having the equivalent of underground sink holes around the midwest as the earth is moving to consolidate because the water that was holding things up was pumped out onto corn fields from Oklahoma to Minnesota. Gosh...geology, too. How are you on planetary mechanics? This is not my theory, I am just relating things more qualified people than both of us say. If you actually paid attention to anything but MSNBC or Russia Russia Russia, you would have heard something about the draining of the Ogalalla and it's effect on the geology. I bet you even think your water supply is safe. I also understand how these things impacts my state. It appears you went to college back during the Johnson administration and then said you knew everything so you did not have to study anything after that. I have a relative who is a licensed and board certified environmental engineer. She knows quite a bit about natural water supplies. If I have questions about such, I'll ask her. There have been many predictions that we will "run out of water," and science news programs about the Ogallala Aquifer and its various impacts. I've watched some of them. Usually, I don't watch pop science programs and then regurgitate a bit of them here for the hoi polloi. So now the depletion of the Ogalalla aquifer is just pop science and the world is not having problems with water supplies in general. Maybe you should talk to your relative more often. I guess you think that as long as your well is still pumping, things are fine everywhere. Has the static level been checked lately and where was it 20 years ago? No, I think the "science" you present is pop science that is readily available on TV. |
What the #$%#&*
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 22:38:06 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 3/16/18 10:03 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/16/18 2:02 PM, wrote: On 16 Mar 2018 15:34:02 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 08:12:04 -0400, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:24:29 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: show quoted text - "The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly". Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on. The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that does not mean all high test is E-0 I've no idea why the dealer told Donnie to use high test. The book is very clear about using regular gas with ethanol no greater than 10%. Latest issue of American Motorcyclist Magazine has an article: "The ethanol industry is pushing federal regulators and lawmakers to approve the use of E30 fuel in non-flex fuel vehicles. E30 contains 30 percent ethanol and 70 percent gasoline, by volume. Most of the fuel sold in the United States contains 10 percent ethanol (E10). E15 fuel is approved for use in 2001 and newer passenger cars, but not in any motorcycles. Blends with higher ethanol content are restricted to flex-fuel vehicles—that is, vehicles specifically designed to operate on fuel with high-ethanol content. The sale of E30 for use in non-flex-fuel vehicles would require a waiver from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Emily Skor, CEO of the ethanol group Growth Energy, said she wants cities like Chicago, Dallas and Atlanta to follow the lead of South Dakota and permit the widespread availability of E30 fuel. The AMA opposes the spread of fuel blends containing more than 10 percent ethanol because confusing labels and lackluster enforcement can lead to misfueling, which can cause engine damage and void warranties. Studies show that most drivers and riders shop first for price. Because ethanol blends are usually cheaper at the pump, motorcyclists could inadvertently fill their bikes’ tanks with illegal fuel that could damage their engines and fuel systems and also void manufacturer warranties." Boat people are having the same problem. There are no outboards right now that say they will burn E15. This is just a huge boondoggle to benefit Cargil and ADM. Unfortunately the phony "environmentalists" who really just hate oil are on board in spite of the fact that ethanol is worse for the environment than petrol. My prediction that we will run out of water long before we run out of oil is starting to be more apparent. I know it is popular to blame earthquakes on fracking but nobody mentions the fact that they have also pumped the Ogalalla down to the point that they are having the equivalent of underground sink holes around the midwest as the earth is moving to consolidate because the water that was holding things up was pumped out onto corn fields from Oklahoma to Minnesota. Gosh...geology, too. How are you on planetary mechanics? This is not my theory, I am just relating things more qualified people than both of us say. If you actually paid attention to anything but MSNBC or Russia Russia Russia, you would have heard something about the draining of the Ogalalla and it's effect on the geology. I bet you even think your water supply is safe. I also understand how these things impacts my state. It appears you went to college back during the Johnson administration and then said you knew everything so you did not have to study anything after that. I have a relative who is a licensed and board certified environmental engineer. She knows quite a bit about natural water supplies. If I have questions about such, I'll ask her. There have been many predictions that we will "run out of water," and science news programs about the Ogallala Aquifer and its various impacts. I've watched some of them. Usually, I don't watch pop science programs and then regurgitate a bit of them here for the hoi polloi. So now the depletion of the Ogalalla aquifer is just pop science and the world is not having problems with water supplies in general. Maybe you should talk to your relative more often. I guess you think that as long as your well is still pumping, things are fine everywhere. Has the static level been checked lately and where was it 20 years ago? No, I think the "science" you present is pop science that is readily available on TV. I see a lot of talk about global warming on TV too. Does that mean it is just pop science? Simply because there are some fairly serious reporters talking about water shortages on TV does not mean it is not true. I suppose you heard about the situation in the western US? The big lakes are down hundreds of feet but I guess that is just pop science. The South Africans are pretty much out of water. Again, just pop science and one of the biggest disputes between Jordan and Israel is over water. But that is pop too I guess. It is a documented fact that in my lifetime the static water level in the Ogalalla is down over 300 feet. You can deny it or even try to minimize the effect but it is still true. |
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