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On 3/17/18 12:10 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 22:38:06 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/16/18 10:03 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/16/18 2:02 PM,
wrote:
On 16 Mar 2018 15:34:02 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 08:12:04 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:24:29 -0400,
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

show quoted text -

"The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization
of the fuel. it breaks down quickly".



Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last
refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some
American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on.

The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the
full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that
does not mean all high test is E-0

I've no idea why the dealer told Donnie to use high test. The book is
very clear about using regular
gas with ethanol no greater than 10%.

Latest issue of American Motorcyclist Magazine has an article:

"The ethanol industry is pushing federal regulators and lawmakers to
approve the use of E30 fuel in
non-flex fuel vehicles.

E30 contains 30 percent ethanol and 70 percent gasoline, by volume.

Most of the fuel sold in the United States contains 10 percent ethanol
(E10). E15 fuel is approved
for use in 2001 and newer passenger cars, but not in any motorcycles.
Blends with higher ethanol
content are restricted to flex-fuel vehicles—that is, vehicles
specifically designed to operate on
fuel with high-ethanol content.

The sale of E30 for use in non-flex-fuel vehicles would require a waiver
from the U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency.

Emily Skor, CEO of the ethanol group Growth Energy, said she wants
cities like Chicago, Dallas and
Atlanta to follow the lead of South Dakota and permit the widespread
availability of E30 fuel.

The AMA opposes the spread of fuel blends containing more than 10
percent ethanol because confusing
labels and lackluster enforcement can lead to misfueling, which can
cause engine damage and void
warranties.

Studies show that most drivers and riders shop first for price. Because
ethanol blends are usually
cheaper at the pump, motorcyclists could inadvertently fill their bikes’
tanks with illegal fuel
that could damage their engines and fuel systems and also void manufacturer warranties."

Boat people are having the same problem. There are no outboards right
now that say they will burn E15. This is just a huge boondoggle to
benefit Cargil and ADM. Unfortunately the phony "environmentalists"
who really just hate oil are on board in spite of the fact that
ethanol is worse for the environment than petrol.
My prediction that we will run out of water long before we run out of
oil is starting to be more apparent. I know it is popular to blame
earthquakes on fracking but nobody mentions the fact that they have
also pumped the Ogalalla down to the point that they are having the
equivalent of underground sink holes around the midwest as the earth
is moving to consolidate because the water that was holding things up
was pumped out onto corn fields from Oklahoma to Minnesota.


Gosh...geology, too. How are you on planetary mechanics?

This is not my theory, I am just relating things more qualified people
than both of us say. If you actually paid attention to anything but
MSNBC or Russia Russia Russia, you would have heard something about
the draining of the Ogalalla and it's effect on the geology.
I bet you even think your water supply is safe.
I also understand how these things impacts my state.
It appears you went to college back during the Johnson administration
and then said you knew everything so you did not have to study
anything after that.


I have a relative who is a licensed and board certified environmental
engineer. She knows quite a bit about natural water supplies. If I have
questions about such, I'll ask her.

There have been many predictions that we will "run out of water," and
science news programs about the Ogallala Aquifer and its various
impacts. I've watched some of them. Usually, I don't watch pop science
programs and then regurgitate a bit of them here for the hoi polloi.

So now the depletion of the Ogalalla aquifer is just pop science and
the world is not having problems with water supplies in general.
Maybe you should talk to your relative more often.

I guess you think that as long as your well is still pumping, things
are fine everywhere. Has the static level been checked lately and
where was it 20 years ago?


No, I think the "science" you present is pop science that is readily
available on TV.


I see a lot of talk about global warming on TV too. Does that mean it
is just pop science?

Simply because there are some fairly serious reporters talking about
water shortages on TV does not mean it is not true. I suppose you
heard about the situation in the western US? The big lakes are down
hundreds of feet but I guess that is just pop science. The South
Africans are pretty much out of water. Again, just pop science and one
of the biggest disputes between Jordan and Israel is over water. But
that is pop too I guess.
It is a documented fact that in my lifetime the static water level in
the Ogalalla is down over 300 feet. You can deny it or even try to
minimize the effect but it is still true.



I'm not questioning the science, be it "pop" or otherwise. See if you
can figure it out, eh?
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:17:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/17/18 12:10 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 22:38:06 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/16/18 10:03 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/16/18 2:02 PM,
wrote:
On 16 Mar 2018 15:34:02 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 08:12:04 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:24:29 -0400,
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

show quoted text -

"The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization
of the fuel. it breaks down quickly".



Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last
refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some
American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on.

The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the
full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that
does not mean all high test is E-0

I've no idea why the dealer told Donnie to use high test. The book is
very clear about using regular
gas with ethanol no greater than 10%.

Latest issue of American Motorcyclist Magazine has an article:

"The ethanol industry is pushing federal regulators and lawmakers to
approve the use of E30 fuel in
non-flex fuel vehicles.

E30 contains 30 percent ethanol and 70 percent gasoline, by volume.

Most of the fuel sold in the United States contains 10 percent ethanol
(E10). E15 fuel is approved
for use in 2001 and newer passenger cars, but not in any motorcycles.
Blends with higher ethanol
content are restricted to flex-fuel vehicles—that is, vehicles
specifically designed to operate on
fuel with high-ethanol content.

The sale of E30 for use in non-flex-fuel vehicles would require a waiver
from the U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency.

Emily Skor, CEO of the ethanol group Growth Energy, said she wants
cities like Chicago, Dallas and
Atlanta to follow the lead of South Dakota and permit the widespread
availability of E30 fuel.

The AMA opposes the spread of fuel blends containing more than 10
percent ethanol because confusing
labels and lackluster enforcement can lead to misfueling, which can
cause engine damage and void
warranties.

Studies show that most drivers and riders shop first for price. Because
ethanol blends are usually
cheaper at the pump, motorcyclists could inadvertently fill their bikes’
tanks with illegal fuel
that could damage their engines and fuel systems and also void manufacturer warranties."

Boat people are having the same problem. There are no outboards right
now that say they will burn E15. This is just a huge boondoggle to
benefit Cargil and ADM. Unfortunately the phony "environmentalists"
who really just hate oil are on board in spite of the fact that
ethanol is worse for the environment than petrol.
My prediction that we will run out of water long before we run out of
oil is starting to be more apparent. I know it is popular to blame
earthquakes on fracking but nobody mentions the fact that they have
also pumped the Ogalalla down to the point that they are having the
equivalent of underground sink holes around the midwest as the earth
is moving to consolidate because the water that was holding things up
was pumped out onto corn fields from Oklahoma to Minnesota.


Gosh...geology, too. How are you on planetary mechanics?

This is not my theory, I am just relating things more qualified people
than both of us say. If you actually paid attention to anything but
MSNBC or Russia Russia Russia, you would have heard something about
the draining of the Ogalalla and it's effect on the geology.
I bet you even think your water supply is safe.
I also understand how these things impacts my state.
It appears you went to college back during the Johnson administration
and then said you knew everything so you did not have to study
anything after that.


I have a relative who is a licensed and board certified environmental
engineer. She knows quite a bit about natural water supplies. If I have
questions about such, I'll ask her.

There have been many predictions that we will "run out of water," and
science news programs about the Ogallala Aquifer and its various
impacts. I've watched some of them. Usually, I don't watch pop science
programs and then regurgitate a bit of them here for the hoi polloi.

So now the depletion of the Ogalalla aquifer is just pop science and
the world is not having problems with water supplies in general.
Maybe you should talk to your relative more often.

I guess you think that as long as your well is still pumping, things
are fine everywhere. Has the static level been checked lately and
where was it 20 years ago?


No, I think the "science" you present is pop science that is readily
available on TV.


I see a lot of talk about global warming on TV too. Does that mean it
is just pop science?

Simply because there are some fairly serious reporters talking about
water shortages on TV does not mean it is not true. I suppose you
heard about the situation in the western US? The big lakes are down
hundreds of feet but I guess that is just pop science. The South
Africans are pretty much out of water. Again, just pop science and one
of the biggest disputes between Jordan and Israel is over water. But
that is pop too I guess.
It is a documented fact that in my lifetime the static water level in
the Ogalalla is down over 300 feet. You can deny it or even try to
minimize the effect but it is still true.



I'm not questioning the science, be it "pop" or otherwise. See if you
can figure it out, eh?


Some times it is hard to figure out just exactly what you are getting
at.
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