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On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 5:08:33 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:37:55 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I try to only run regular gasoline through my Honda. If I can't find rec fuel and have to use E-10 I run it dry and don't leave any in the tank.

"Honda engines are designed and certified to run on regular unleaded gasoline." Right off their web
site.

The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly.

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On 3/14/2018 6:14 PM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 5:08:33 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:37:55 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I try to only run regular gasoline through my Honda. If I can't find rec fuel and have to use E-10 I run it dry and don't leave any in the tank.

"Honda engines are designed and certified to run on regular unleaded gasoline." Right off their web
site.


The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly.


That might be an issue I've avoided with the little Honda I have. I
mentioned several times here that it ran fine with 5 year old gas in it
treated with Sta-bil. However, I've always paid attention to the load
it has, never trying to exceed 6 or 7 amps, because it can deliver that
at 121-124 volts ac and still maintain 60 hz on the "Eco" setting. It
will run overnight on about a gallon of gas that way.

It could be that if I tried to power stuff up to it's full 13.5 amp
(continuous) capacity, it might exhibit lost power at full speed on the
old gas.

I ran a large, built in microwave yesterday. It pulled more than the
Honda's continuous rating ... about 14.5 amps, but it handled it ok.

IIRC, the eu2000i is rated at 1600 watts continuous and 2000 watts peak.

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"The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly".Â*



Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on.

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John H. wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 19:12:54 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

I bought the generator brand spanking new in early January. The counter guy filled the tank and was supposed to have test run the unit.
I brought it home and a few weeks later started it up and ran it for between 5 and 10 minutes.
As suggested by the salesman, I planned to remove the 2 month old gas this month and put fresh hi test in and run the unit for a bit. The guy recommended I do this every two months.
'Hi test'? Honda engines are designed and certified to run on regular unleaded gasoline.

I'm beginning to wonder about your sales people up there.

Yup. $50 for a "pre-delivery inspection"? That's a scam.

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On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

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"The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly".Â*



Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on.

The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the
full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that
does not mean all high test is E-0

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On 3/15/2018 2:24 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

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"The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly".



Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on.

The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the
full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that
does not mean all high test is E-0



I think the sales guy is giving Don a bull**** story.

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On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:24:29 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

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"The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly".*



Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on.

The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the
full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that
does not mean all high test is E-0

I've no idea why the dealer told Donnie to use high test. The book is very clear about using regular
gas with ethanol no greater than 10%.

Latest issue of American Motorcyclist Magazine has an article:

"The ethanol industry is pushing federal regulators and lawmakers to approve the use of E30 fuel in
non-flex fuel vehicles.

E30 contains 30 percent ethanol and 70 percent gasoline, by volume.

Most of the fuel sold in the United States contains 10 percent ethanol (E10). E15 fuel is approved
for use in 2001 and newer passenger cars, but not in any motorcycles. Blends with higher ethanol
content are restricted to flex-fuel vehicles—that is, vehicles specifically designed to operate on
fuel with high-ethanol content.

The sale of E30 for use in non-flex-fuel vehicles would require a waiver from the U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency.

Emily Skor, CEO of the ethanol group Growth Energy, said she wants cities like Chicago, Dallas and
Atlanta to follow the lead of South Dakota and permit the widespread availability of E30 fuel.

The AMA opposes the spread of fuel blends containing more than 10 percent ethanol because confusing
labels and lackluster enforcement can lead to misfueling, which can cause engine damage and void
warranties.

Studies show that most drivers and riders shop first for price. Because ethanol blends are usually
cheaper at the pump, motorcyclists could inadvertently fill their bikes’ tanks with illegal fuel
that could damage their engines and fuel systems and also void manufacturer warranties."

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On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 08:12:04 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:24:29 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

show quoted text -

"The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly".Â*



Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on.

The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the
full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that
does not mean all high test is E-0

I've no idea why the dealer told Donnie to use high test. The book is very clear about using regular
gas with ethanol no greater than 10%.

Latest issue of American Motorcyclist Magazine has an article:

"The ethanol industry is pushing federal regulators and lawmakers to approve the use of E30 fuel in
non-flex fuel vehicles.

E30 contains 30 percent ethanol and 70 percent gasoline, by volume.

Most of the fuel sold in the United States contains 10 percent ethanol (E10). E15 fuel is approved
for use in 2001 and newer passenger cars, but not in any motorcycles. Blends with higher ethanol
content are restricted to flex-fuel vehicles—that is, vehicles specifically designed to operate on
fuel with high-ethanol content.

The sale of E30 for use in non-flex-fuel vehicles would require a waiver from the U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency.

Emily Skor, CEO of the ethanol group Growth Energy, said she wants cities like Chicago, Dallas and
Atlanta to follow the lead of South Dakota and permit the widespread availability of E30 fuel.

The AMA opposes the spread of fuel blends containing more than 10 percent ethanol because confusing
labels and lackluster enforcement can lead to misfueling, which can cause engine damage and void
warranties.

Studies show that most drivers and riders shop first for price. Because ethanol blends are usually
cheaper at the pump, motorcyclists could inadvertently fill their bikes’ tanks with illegal fuel
that could damage their engines and fuel systems and also void manufacturer warranties."

Boat people are having the same problem. There are no outboards right
now that say they will burn E15. This is just a huge boondoggle to
benefit Cargil and ADM. Unfortunately the phony "environmentalists"
who really just hate oil are on board in spite of the fact that
ethanol is worse for the environment than petrol.
My prediction that we will run out of water long before we run out of
oil is starting to be more apparent. I know it is popular to blame
earthquakes on fracking but nobody mentions the fact that they have
also pumped the Ogalalla down to the point that they are having the
equivalent of underground sink holes around the midwest as the earth
is moving to consolidate because the water that was holding things up
was pumped out onto corn fields from Oklahoma to Minnesota.

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On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 11:21:05 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 08:12:04 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:24:29 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:18 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

show quoted text -

"The bad thing about regular crap is the alcohol and hydrogenization of the fuel. it breaks down quickly".*



Bingo! That's what the sales guy was getting at. Now that our last refinery (Nova Scotia) is long gone they bring in boat loads from some American refinery...Probably whatever they can get a deal on.

The ethanol he is referring to will be in high test too, usually the
full 10%. The E-0 (REC90) has a higher octane than regular 87 but that
does not mean all high test is E-0

I've no idea why the dealer told Donnie to use high test. The book is very clear about using regular
gas with ethanol no greater than 10%.

Latest issue of American Motorcyclist Magazine has an article:

"The ethanol industry is pushing federal regulators and lawmakers to approve the use of E30 fuel in
non-flex fuel vehicles.

E30 contains 30 percent ethanol and 70 percent gasoline, by volume.

Most of the fuel sold in the United States contains 10 percent ethanol (E10). E15 fuel is approved
for use in 2001 and newer passenger cars, but not in any motorcycles. Blends with higher ethanol
content are restricted to flex-fuel vehicles—that is, vehicles specifically designed to operate on
fuel with high-ethanol content.

The sale of E30 for use in non-flex-fuel vehicles would require a waiver from the U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency.

Emily Skor, CEO of the ethanol group Growth Energy, said she wants cities like Chicago, Dallas and
Atlanta to follow the lead of South Dakota and permit the widespread availability of E30 fuel.

The AMA opposes the spread of fuel blends containing more than 10 percent ethanol because confusing
labels and lackluster enforcement can lead to misfueling, which can cause engine damage and void
warranties.

Studies show that most drivers and riders shop first for price. Because ethanol blends are usually
cheaper at the pump, motorcyclists could inadvertently fill their bikes’ tanks with illegal fuel
that could damage their engines and fuel systems and also void manufacturer warranties."

Boat people are having the same problem. There are no outboards right
now that say they will burn E15. This is just a huge boondoggle to
benefit Cargil and ADM. Unfortunately the phony "environmentalists"
who really just hate oil are on board in spite of the fact that
ethanol is worse for the environment than petrol.
My prediction that we will run out of water long before we run out of
oil is starting to be more apparent. I know it is popular to blame
earthquakes on fracking but nobody mentions the fact that they have
also pumped the Ogalalla down to the point that they are having the
equivalent of underground sink holes around the midwest as the earth
is moving to consolidate because the water that was holding things up
was pumped out onto corn fields from Oklahoma to Minnesota.

Honda generator owners will have the problem also! Book is very specific - no more than 10% ethanol.

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Mar 15Mr. Luddite
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I think the sales guy is giving Don a bull**** story.

.....

That’s never surprising. I think my cardiologist would make a great used car salesman too.