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On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote:
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No power for the last 2 and a half days.

This area on the south shore of MA got hit hard with "Riley". Every
where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses, power
poles snapped in half, transformers scattered. Major damage in some areas.

Just got power back an hour ago. Survived with my little generator and
a space heater in the bedroom. Didn't bother tying it into the furnace
this time. House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and toasty.

I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are right.
Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful
than I remember from past years.

Anyway, it's finally over. Gotta get ready for the next one late next
week. Hopefully it won't be as bad.



Youse guys need a road trip.



Check out the flooding in Quincy:

https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4


Nessie found a new home.
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On 3/4/2018 10:16 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

No power for the last 2 and a half days.

This area on the south shore of MA got hit hard with "Riley". Every
where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses, power
poles snapped in half, transformers scattered. Major damage in some areas.

Just got power back an hour ago. Survived with my little generator and
a space heater in the bedroom. Didn't bother tying it into the furnace
this time. House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and toasty.

I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are right.
Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful
than I remember from past years.

Anyway, it's finally over. Gotta get ready for the next one late next
week. Hopefully it won't be as bad.



Youse guys need a road trip.



Check out the flooding in Quincy:

https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4


Nessie found a new home.



Jokester on Facebook. There's one of those huge, emergency alert poles
with multiple sirens and speakers to warn of issues with the nuke plant
in Plymouth or other dangers located about 2 miles from us ... or it
was. It also came down in the storm and made a huge mess all over the
road. Some gusts were recorded at over 100 mph which isn't unusual in
hurricane prone areas but for areas that are rarely hit with winds that
strong they can do a lot of damage. Nature's way of clearing of old
growth and structures I guess.

Our former house in Duxbury lost a bunch of of roof shingles. Feel bad
for the owner but glad I don't have to pay to repair or re shingle.:

https://tinyurl.com/yccdknlz

On 3/4/2018 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/4/2018 10:16 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

No power for the last 2 and a half days.

This area on the south shore of MAÂ* got hit hard with "Riley".Â* Every
where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses,Â* power
poles snapped in half, transformers scattered.Â* Major damage in
some areas.

Just got power back an hour ago.Â* Survived with my little generator
and
a space heater in the bedroom.Â* Didn't bother tying it into the
furnace
this time.Â* House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and
toasty.

I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are right.
Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful
than I remember from past years.

Anyway, it's finally over.Â* Gotta get ready for the next one late next
week.Â* Hopefully it won't be as bad.



Youse guys need a road trip.



Check out the flooding in Quincy:

https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4


Nessie found a new home.



Jokester on Facebook.Â* There's one of those huge, emergency alert poles
with multiple sirens and speakers to warn of issues with the nuke plant
in Plymouth or other dangers located about 2 miles from us ... or it
was.Â* It also came down in the storm and made a huge mess all over the
road.Â* Some gusts were recorded at over 100 mph which isn't unusual in
hurricane prone areas but for areas that are rarely hit with winds that
strong they can do a lot of damage.Â* Nature's way of clearing of old
growth and structures I guess.

Our former house in Duxbury lost a bunch of of roof shingles.Â* Feel bad
for the owner but glad I don't have to pay to repair or re shingle.:

https://tinyurl.com/yccdknlz
I don't know if it's true but I heard insurance companies in Florida
won't insure a house with a roof over 15 years old.

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 11:27:49 -0500, Justan Ohlphart wrote:

On 3/4/2018 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/4/2018 10:16 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

No power for the last 2 and a half days.

This area on the south shore of MA* got hit hard with "Riley".* Every
where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses,* power
poles snapped in half, transformers scattered.* Major damage in
some areas.

Just got power back an hour ago.* Survived with my little generator
and
a space heater in the bedroom.* Didn't bother tying it into the
furnace
this time.* House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and
toasty.

I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are right.
Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful
than I remember from past years.

Anyway, it's finally over.* Gotta get ready for the next one late next
week.* Hopefully it won't be as bad.



Youse guys need a road trip.



Check out the flooding in Quincy:

https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4


Nessie found a new home.



Jokester on Facebook.* There's one of those huge, emergency alert poles
with multiple sirens and speakers to warn of issues with the nuke plant
in Plymouth or other dangers located about 2 miles from us ... or it
was.* It also came down in the storm and made a huge mess all over the
road.* Some gusts were recorded at over 100 mph which isn't unusual in
hurricane prone areas but for areas that are rarely hit with winds that
strong they can do a lot of damage.* Nature's way of clearing of old
growth and structures I guess.

Our former house in Duxbury lost a bunch of of roof shingles.* Feel bad
for the owner but glad I don't have to pay to repair or re shingle.:

https://tinyurl.com/yccdknlz
I don't know if it's true but I heard insurance companies in Florida
won't insure a house with a roof over 15 years old.

I had to answer questions about my roof with USAA, and that's in northern VA.

On 3/4/2018 11:27 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 3/4/2018 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/4/2018 10:16 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

No power for the last 2 and a half days.

This area on the south shore of MAÂ* got hit hard with "Riley".Â* Every
where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses,Â* power
poles snapped in half, transformers scattered.Â* Major damage in
some areas.

Just got power back an hour ago.Â* Survived with my little
generator and
a space heater in the bedroom.Â* Didn't bother tying it into the
furnace
this time.Â* House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and
toasty.

I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are
right.
Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful
than I remember from past years.

Anyway, it's finally over.Â* Gotta get ready for the next one late
next
week.Â* Hopefully it won't be as bad.



Youse guys need a road trip.



Check out the flooding in Quincy:

https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4


Nessie found a new home.



Jokester on Facebook.Â* There's one of those huge, emergency alert
poles with multiple sirens and speakers to warn of issues with the
nuke plant in Plymouth or other dangers located about 2 miles from us
... or it was.Â* It also came down in the storm and made a huge mess
all over the road.Â* Some gusts were recorded at over 100 mph which
isn't unusual in hurricane prone areas but for areas that are rarely
hit with winds that strong they can do a lot of damage.Â* Nature's way
of clearing of old growth and structures I guess.

Our former house in Duxbury lost a bunch of of roof shingles.Â* Feel
bad for the owner but glad I don't have to pay to repair or re shingle.:

https://tinyurl.com/yccdknlz
I don't know if it's true but I heard insurance companies in Florida
won't insure a house with a roof over 15 years old.


Wouldn't surprise me. The ones on the Duxbury house are 19 years old
but are 30 year shingles. So much for that.

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:25:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/4/2018 11:27 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 3/4/2018 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/4/2018 10:16 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

No power for the last 2 and a half days.

This area on the south shore of MA* got hit hard with "Riley".* Every
where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses,* power
poles snapped in half, transformers scattered.* Major damage in
some areas.

Just got power back an hour ago.* Survived with my little
generator and
a space heater in the bedroom.* Didn't bother tying it into the
furnace
this time.* House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and
toasty.

I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are
right.
Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful
than I remember from past years.

Anyway, it's finally over.* Gotta get ready for the next one late
next
week.* Hopefully it won't be as bad.



Youse guys need a road trip.



Check out the flooding in Quincy:

https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4


Nessie found a new home.



Jokester on Facebook.* There's one of those huge, emergency alert
poles with multiple sirens and speakers to warn of issues with the
nuke plant in Plymouth or other dangers located about 2 miles from us
... or it was.* It also came down in the storm and made a huge mess
all over the road.* Some gusts were recorded at over 100 mph which
isn't unusual in hurricane prone areas but for areas that are rarely
hit with winds that strong they can do a lot of damage.* Nature's way
of clearing of old growth and structures I guess.

Our former house in Duxbury lost a bunch of of roof shingles.* Feel
bad for the owner but glad I don't have to pay to repair or re shingle.:

https://tinyurl.com/yccdknlz
I don't know if it's true but I heard insurance companies in Florida
won't insure a house with a roof over 15 years old.


Wouldn't surprise me. The ones on the Duxbury house are 19 years old
but are 30 year shingles. So much for that.


Well, the shingles might still be good...if he can find them.

On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 12:36:20 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:25:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/4/2018 11:27 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 3/4/2018 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/4/2018 10:16 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

No power for the last 2 and a half days.

This area on the south shore of MAÂ* got hit hard with "Riley".Â* Every
where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses,Â* power
poles snapped in half, transformers scattered.Â* Major damage in
some areas.

Just got power back an hour ago.Â* Survived with my little
generator and
a space heater in the bedroom.Â* Didn't bother tying it into the
furnace
this time.Â* House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and
toasty.

I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are
right.
Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful
than I remember from past years.

Anyway, it's finally over.Â* Gotta get ready for the next one late
next
week.Â* Hopefully it won't be as bad.



Youse guys need a road trip.



Check out the flooding in Quincy:

https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4


Nessie found a new home.



Jokester on Facebook.Â* There's one of those huge, emergency alert
poles with multiple sirens and speakers to warn of issues with the
nuke plant in Plymouth or other dangers located about 2 miles from us
... or it was.Â* It also came down in the storm and made a huge mess
all over the road.Â* Some gusts were recorded at over 100 mph which
isn't unusual in hurricane prone areas but for areas that are rarely
hit with winds that strong they can do a lot of damage.Â* Nature's way
of clearing of old growth and structures I guess.

Our former house in Duxbury lost a bunch of of roof shingles.Â* Feel
bad for the owner but glad I don't have to pay to repair or re shingle.:

https://tinyurl.com/yccdknlz
I don't know if it's true but I heard insurance companies in Florida
won't insure a house with a roof over 15 years old.


Wouldn't surprise me. The ones on the Duxbury house are 19 years old
but are 30 year shingles. So much for that.


Well, the shingles might still be good...if he can find them.

Those shingle warranties are pretty much a joke anyway. It is pro
rated, parts only. Basically if your 30 year shingles fail in 20 years
and they can't demonstrate some kind of uncovered damage, installation
error or other issue, you might get up to 33% of the wholesale price
of the shingle off of buying new ones at full retail. Since the
shingle itself is a small fraction of the cost of a new roof, I doubt
anyone bothers. They do not make the claim easy to make and some only
cover the original home owner. I have never talked to a roofer who
thought the warranty was worth anything. It might be an indication of
relative quality tho.

On 3/4/2018 1:41 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 12:36:20 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:25:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/4/2018 11:27 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 3/4/2018 10:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/4/2018 10:16 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

No power for the last 2 and a half days.

This area on the south shore of MAÂ* got hit hard with "Riley".Â* Every
where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses,Â* power
poles snapped in half, transformers scattered.Â* Major damage in
some areas.

Just got power back an hour ago.Â* Survived with my little
generator and
a space heater in the bedroom.Â* Didn't bother tying it into the
furnace
this time.Â* House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and
toasty.

I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are
right.
Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful
than I remember from past years.

Anyway, it's finally over.Â* Gotta get ready for the next one late
next
week.Â* Hopefully it won't be as bad.



Youse guys need a road trip.



Check out the flooding in Quincy:

https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4


Nessie found a new home.



Jokester on Facebook.Â* There's one of those huge, emergency alert
poles with multiple sirens and speakers to warn of issues with the
nuke plant in Plymouth or other dangers located about 2 miles from us
... or it was.Â* It also came down in the storm and made a huge mess
all over the road.Â* Some gusts were recorded at over 100 mph which
isn't unusual in hurricane prone areas but for areas that are rarely
hit with winds that strong they can do a lot of damage.Â* Nature's way
of clearing of old growth and structures I guess.

Our former house in Duxbury lost a bunch of of roof shingles.Â* Feel
bad for the owner but glad I don't have to pay to repair or re shingle.:

https://tinyurl.com/yccdknlz
I don't know if it's true but I heard insurance companies in Florida
won't insure a house with a roof over 15 years old.


Wouldn't surprise me. The ones on the Duxbury house are 19 years old
but are 30 year shingles. So much for that.


Well, the shingles might still be good...if he can find them.

Those shingle warranties are pretty much a joke anyway. It is pro
rated, parts only. Basically if your 30 year shingles fail in 20 years
and they can't demonstrate some kind of uncovered damage, installation
error or other issue, you might get up to 33% of the wholesale price
of the shingle off of buying new ones at full retail. Since the
shingle itself is a small fraction of the cost of a new roof, I doubt
anyone bothers. They do not make the claim easy to make and some only
cover the original home owner. I have never talked to a roofer who
thought the warranty was worth anything. It might be an indication of
relative quality tho.



The father of the buyer of our house has a construction company and he
came out specifically to check the house over and the roof shingles
specifically mainly because the roof area on that house is huge and the
shingles were approaching 18 years old at the time. He checked them out
and told me and the buyer that they were high quality, 30 year shingles
that are hard to get and they had many more years left in them. I know
when we built the cabana we wanted to match the shingles on the house
and they had to special order them. Took quite a while to get. Anyway,
I think the "year" rating is more about their thickness and wear
resistance. At least that's what he told me. It appears the failure
was not because they were worn out. Just like in Florida, once one or
two lift due to high winds, it's like a zipper and a bunch are liking to
go with them. One of the houses we had in Florida had concrete
"shingles" and the other house had those clay looking shingles. Both
houses lost a bunch in the hurricanes we experienced down there.

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 11:27:49 -0500, Justan Ohlphart
wrote:


I don't know if it's true but I heard insurance companies in Florida
won't insure a house with a roof over 15 years old.

That would not surprise me. You are talking about "windstorm"
insurance tho, not regular homeowners. I know they have pretty
extensive inspections before they issue the policy and your rate
depends on what they find. There is remediation you can do that will
lower the rate considerably like tougher truss strapping etc. The
strange thing is smart builders have been strapping trusses into the
tie beam for 50 years. My house was built in 1963 and I have a poured
bond beam with steel in it and truss straps. They are actually thicker
metal than the current code (1.5" x 1/8" thick).
I don't buy wind storm.

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 10:29:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/4/2018 10:16 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/4/2018 10:09 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

No power for the last 2 and a half days.

This area on the south shore of MA got hit hard with "Riley". Every
where you drive there are trees down on lines, cars, houses, power
poles snapped in half, transformers scattered. Major damage in some areas.

Just got power back an hour ago. Survived with my little generator and
a space heater in the bedroom. Didn't bother tying it into the furnace
this time. House was down to 38 degrees but bedroom was nice and toasty.

I think I am beginning to believe the climate change people are right.
Seems like the nor'easters we get now are stronger and more powerful
than I remember from past years.

Anyway, it's finally over. Gotta get ready for the next one late next
week. Hopefully it won't be as bad.



Youse guys need a road trip.



Check out the flooding in Quincy:

https://tinyurl.com/y89cyky4


Nessie found a new home.



Jokester on Facebook. There's one of those huge, emergency alert poles
with multiple sirens and speakers to warn of issues with the nuke plant
in Plymouth or other dangers located about 2 miles from us ... or it
was. It also came down in the storm and made a huge mess all over the
road. Some gusts were recorded at over 100 mph which isn't unusual in
hurricane prone areas but for areas that are rarely hit with winds that
strong they can do a lot of damage. Nature's way of clearing of old
growth and structures I guess.

Our former house in Duxbury lost a bunch of of roof shingles. Feel bad
for the owner but glad I don't have to pay to repair or re shingle.:

https://tinyurl.com/yccdknlz

I wonder how long it will be until the southern building code becomes
universal. I am sure it is not lost on insurance companies that these
storms are more common that they have admitted ... and then there is
that global warming thing.
You may not end up with the whole thing but building to a 100 MPH code
may make more sense than the current 70-80. This is a log curve so the
first 20-30 MPH is not as expensive as getting to the 160-170 we have
here. It could be little things like more nails in the shingles, no
staples and the secondary membrane under them. Maybe add some kind of
clips on the trusses instead of just toe nailing them into the top
plate. (even the little "twisties" have a lot of uplift protection).
Your framers will need to buy "positive placement" kits for their nail
guns tho.