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Gould 0738 November 2nd 03 06:09 AM

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The wound must come from an instrument of war in the hands of the enemy.
Simply being wounded in action is not enough to be awarded the Purple Heart.


Not according to the official rules.

You can get a Purple Heart for death or wound by friendly fire, if there is a
good indication that the friendly fire was intended for the enemy.

You can get a Purple Heart for injuries suffered in a parachute landing,
provided that the parachuting was required as a result of hostile
fire.

Also, for traffic accidents that result from hostile fire. You are walking down
the sidewalk in Baghdad. A terrorist sniper takes out the driver of a personel
carrier and that carrier then proceeds to run up onto the sidewalk and breaks
your legs. According to the rules you might be elegible for the award after
being hit by a US truck, since the traffic accident was caused by hostile fire.

*******

(6) It is not intended that such a strict interpretation of the requirement for
the wound or injury to be caused by direct result of hostile action be taken
that it would preclude the award being made to deserving personnel. Commanders
must also take into consideration, the circumstances surrounding an injury,
even if it appears to meet the criteria. Note the following examples:

(a) In case such as an individual injured while making a parachute landing from
an aircraft that had been brought down enemy fire; or, an individual injured as
a result of a vehicle accident caused by enemy fire, the decision will be made
in favor of the individual and the award will be made.

(b) Individuals wounded or killed as a result of "friendly fire" in the "heat
of battle" will be awarded the Purple Heart as long as the "friendly"
projectile or agent was released with the full intent of inflicting damage or
destroying enemy troops or equipment.

(c) Individuals injured as a result of their own negligence; for example,
driving or walking through an unauthorized area known to have been mined or
placed off limits or searching for or picking up unexploded munitions as war
souvenirs, will not be awarded the Purple Heart as they clearly were not
injured as a result of enemy action, but rather by their own negligence.

http://www.purpleheart.org/Awd_of_PH.htm



Joe Parsons November 2nd 03 04:18 PM

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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 04:21:47 GMT, "Joe" wrote:

A Purple Heart is based on only one thing: being wounded in action while

serving
as a member of the U.S. Armed Services.


The wound must come from an instrument of war in the hands of the enemy.
Simply being wounded in action is not enough to be awarded the Purple Heart.


Here are the specific criteria:

(4) Examples of enemy-related injuries which clearly justify award of the Purple
Heart are as follows:

(a) Injury caused by enemy bullet, shrapnel, or other projectile created by
enemy action.
(b) Injury caused by enemy placed mine or trap.
(c) Injury caused by enemy released chemical, biological, or nuclear agent.
(d) Injury caused by vehicle or aircraft accident resulting from enemy
fire.
(e) Concussion injuries caused as a result of enemy generated explosions.

(5) Examples of injuries or wounds which clearly do not qualify for award of the
Purple Heart are as follows:

(a) Frostbite or trench foot injuries.
(b) Heat stroke.
(c) Food poisoning not caused by enemy agents.
(d) Chemical, biological, or nuclear agents not released by the enemy.
(e) Battle fatigue.
(f) Disease not directly caused by enemy agents.
(g) Accidents, to include explosive, aircraft, vehicular, and other
accidental wounding not related to or caused by enemy action.
(h) Self-inflicted wounds, except when in the heat of battle, and not
involving gross negligence.
(i) Post traumatic stressdisorders.
(j) Jump injuries not caused by enemy action.

"Friendly fire" (the ultimate oxymoron) is explicitly included in the criteria.

A pilot whose plane is shot down by enemy fire and who is injured during the
parachute landing will receive the award.

Joe Parsons


Rick November 2nd 03 07:37 PM

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Joe Parsons wrote:

"Friendly fire" (the ultimate oxymoron) is explicitly
included in the criteria.


Where? Certainly not explicit in your post.

The only thing you posted that I read that may cover "friendly fire" is
an exclusion:

(g) Accidents, to include explosive, aircraft, vehicular, and other
accidental wounding not related to or caused by enemy action.



Rick





Gould 0738 November 2nd 03 08:16 PM

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A pilot whose plane is shot down by enemy fire and who is injured during the
parachute landing will receive the award.

Joe Parsons


Likewise, any serviceperson injured or killed by friendly fire can receive the
award if it can be demonstrated the friendly fire was intended to kill or
damage the enemy.

http://www.purpleheart.org/

NOYB November 2nd 03 09:39 PM

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Today's democratic party loyalists.


"Spam Me Please" wrote in message
news:yw_ob.80960$Fm2.62824@attbi_s04...
I also wonder who he considers to be a "fringe candidate".


"NOYB" wrote in message
. com...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:bo19f0$1737k2$1@ID-
Frankly, aside from one or two "announced" Dems who are nothing more
than "fringe" candidates


Who are the "fringe" Democratic candidates? The non-white ones?


Anybody that would align themselves with today's misguided and

out-of-touch
Democratic party is a "fringe" candidate, IMO.










Joe Parsons November 3rd 03 05:48 AM

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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:37:34 GMT, Rick wrote:

Joe Parsons wrote:

"Friendly fire" (the ultimate oxymoron) is explicitly
included in the criteria.


Where? Certainly not explicit in your post.


It's in the published regulations governing the award.

I've always found it a good practice to try to find source information when I'm
involved in any sort of adversarial discussion. Happily, it's trivially easy to
find the information about the Order of the Purple Heart.

Joe Parsons

The only thing you posted that I read that may cover "friendly fire" is
an exclusion:


I did not post all the text concerning the award. Since it's so readily
available, it seemed redundant.

Guess not.

Joe Parsons

(g) Accidents, to include explosive, aircraft, vehicular, and other
accidental wounding not related to or caused by enemy action.



Rick





Rick November 3rd 03 06:07 AM

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Joe Parsons wrote:

I did not post all the text concerning the award. Since it's so readily
available, it seemed redundant.

Guess not.


In this case you provided a list which you described as the "specific
criteria" and concluded with the statement that "Friendly fire ... is
explicitly included in the criteria" when it was singularly absent.

Just a nit really but "explicit" does mean something more than just
being one of those clever little words that set a tone. It means: fully
revealed or expressed without vagueness, implication, or ambiguity.

Rick




Joe Parsons November 3rd 03 03:31 PM

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On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:07:55 GMT, Rick wrote:

Joe Parsons wrote:

I did not post all the text concerning the award. Since it's so readily
available, it seemed redundant.

Guess not.


In this case you provided a list which you described as the "specific
criteria" and concluded with the statement that "Friendly fire ... is
explicitly included in the criteria" when it was singularly absent.

Just a nit really but "explicit" does mean something more than just
being one of those clever little words that set a tone. It means: fully
revealed or expressed without vagueness, implication, or ambiguity.


Point taken.

Joe Parsons


Doug Kanter November 3rd 03 05:16 PM

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"WaIIy" wrote in message
...


Look at the hatred in your heart that your brain disguises as socialist
dogma.


Socialism: A system which encompasses 100% of individuals who believe a
certain matter of foreign policy was not handled correctly.

Is that your definition? You keep using the word. Please give us YOUR
definition.



Doug Kanter November 3rd 03 05:21 PM

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"jps" wrote in message
...

For the wasted billions that this same "no child left
behind" administration would gladly commit to lining the pockets of the

rich
rather than rebuild our failing school systems.


Speaking of "no child left behind", look for a new thread I'm posting
shortly:
OT: No Child Left Alive




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