Teachers and guns
 

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed. It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed. Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.


Rediculous. Do you think those teachers would go into a classroom
armed and without training? What training beyond video games does
the average mass murderer have?
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On 2/26/2018 11:33 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:19:23 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:55:20 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed.Â* It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed.Â* Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

You think *you* would be able to shoot a home invader. Why do you think you're so much better than everyone else?

Excellent point.

I suppose he thinks the home invader would be unarmed and as fat as he is to make an easy target.



Have you seen this? Just happened the other day. Mother and daughter
are damn lucky neither were shot. Perp was arrested, taken to hospital
in critical condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiSl_zuSd4

Teachers and guns
 

Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 10:57 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 10:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
True North wrote:
How long will it be before the first teacher accidently shoots a
student.
It will happen considering how gun crazy people are south of the
border.


Bet on it. Dumbest idea ever.



You have (or had) a concealed carry permit.
I have a concealed carry permit.
Many people have a concealed carry permit.

What's the purpose of a concealed carry permit?

Last resort self-defense for yourself and/or others.Â* Correct?

What's so different about a teacher who wants a concealed carry permit
(or already has one) ?

The difference is the teacher unions.Â* Special authorization would be
required to be armed on public school property.



1. It is difficult if not impossible for a skilled, motivated shooter
with a handgun to face down a ****ed-off shooter with a high-powered
semi-auto rifle. Most school shooters are using AR-type rifles. A
teacher with a handgun likely will not have a lot of experience
shooting and is likely going to be cut down in short order.

2. When the police enter a building in which there is an active
shooter, they tend to identify the shooter as the person holding and
perhaps shooting the firearm. More dead teachers.

3. Where is the teacher supposed to keep the firearm? Will it be
stolen? Or will a kid, especially a little kid, grab the firearm to
play with it and accidentally shoot himself or a buddy or the teacher?

4. Lawsuits. Lots of lawsuits. You can imagine the variety.


The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who
enters, have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to
cut down on the number and sorts of firearms available to the general
public, provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the
age limit for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and
treat the NRA for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly
to promote the sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and
more firearms.


I guess your logic and arguments support the Florida cop's decision
not to engage Cruz because he had an AR-15.Â*Â*Â* Oh, well.Â* 17 dead.

(That whole issue, the numerous prior contacts and tips police had
about Cruz and the FBI's failure to followup on tips really needs to
be thoroughly investigated).

The proposal for teachers having guns includes having them in a
secure, locked safe. No reason for kids or anyone to know they exist.
May take a little time to retrieve a firearm but would probably beat
the time required for police to arrive.

I understand the confusion that could occur regarding police showing up
and facing an armed teacher.Â* That problem needs to be resolved however
if law enforcement already knows that good guys may be armed,
precautions can be taken. Good guy/bad guy training is part of some
police training courses.Â* Maybe an instant alarm signal to the police?

Again, nobody is talking about arming teachers against their will. It
is an idea only for those who feel compelled to volunteer.



I can only imagine the lawsuits that will result from armed teachers.
Oh, teachers aren't always in the same classrooms...or maybe they are in
the cafeteria...or coaching...or the lock on the mini gun safe won't open.

Arming teachers is not the answer.


Guess you're right. Nothing can be done. We'll just have to live with it.

And please don't give me the "lock up the school like a safe" BS. Many
or maybe even most schools do that now-a-days yet these nut-cases still
find a way to get in. Or, maybe they'll have to revert to sitting
outside waiting for the kiddies to exit to the school buses before he
mows them down.

No plan is absolute. It just seems to me that a response that is faster
than the police arriving may save some lives.




Are we going to put a wall around the school also? Around 2001 guy drove
up to a grammer school in Stockton and sprayed the school ground with an
ak47. Did not enter the school. Killed 5 and then killed himself. So
just locking up a school is not a cure.



Assistant principal Caught a school shooter. Lever action 30-30 used.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/1...iel-greenfield

We had a shooting in Tehama county last year. Guy could not enter school
but still shot people.

Teachers and guns
 

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/26/2018 10:55 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed. It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded
to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to
teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard
now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in
favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html



NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders





And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More
bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed. Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

Can you possibly consider that if two or three people in the immediate
vicinity of Cruz happened to get a lucky shot off that the total dead
might be lower? Or are you adopting the philosophy you accuse Greg of
having that, "Nothing can be done".




Fat Harry's solution is always throw legislation and money at the
problem. That usually benefits lawyers the most.
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:22:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/26/18 9:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
True North wrote:
How long will it be before the first teacher accidently shoots a
student.
It will happen considering how gun crazy people are south of the border.


Bet on it. Dumbest idea ever.



You have (or had) a concealed carry permit.
I have a concealed carry permit.
Many people have a concealed carry permit.

What's the purpose of a concealed carry permit?

Last resort self-defense for yourself and/or others.Â* Correct?

What's so different about a teacher who wants a concealed carry permit
(or already has one) ?

The difference is the teacher unions.Â* Special authorization would be
required to be armed on public school property.



1. It is difficult if not impossible for a skilled, motivated shooter
with a handgun to face down a ****ed-off shooter with a high-powered
semi-auto rifle. Most school shooters are using AR-type rifles. A
teacher with a handgun likely will not have a lot of experience shooting
and is likely going to be cut down in short order.

2. When the police enter a building in which there is an active shooter,
they tend to identify the shooter as the person holding and perhaps
shooting the firearm. More dead teachers.

3. Where is the teacher supposed to keep the firearm? Will it be stolen?
Or will a kid, especially a little kid, grab the firearm to play with it
and accidentally shoot himself or a buddy or the teacher?

4. Lawsuits. Lots of lawsuits. You can imagine the variety.


The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I agree most teachers are not going to be good candidates
The janitor might be a better candidate for carrying the gun.

I do think the school systems with these "diversion" programs where
they fail to report criminal students are partially responsible. If
Parkland HS had reported the crimes Cruz committed in school, he would
have a record that would have prevented him from buying the gun.
The Sheriff also failed to act on credible reports of felonies.

Teachers and guns
 

On 2/26/2018 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:16:31 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.

I doubt most teachers these days are capable of using a gun in that
kind of situation.
I have not really been a fan of this idea as any wide spread policy.
Certainly there will be some who are willing to take the proper
training but a gun in a school is a far more serious thing than your
average CCW situation. They should have tactical training and a ****
load of range time practicing practical shooting, not just slow fire
target practice.



What makes a properly trained teacher any different than anyone else who
has been trained and has a concealed carry permit for self defense?

Are you discriminating against teachers?

Teachers and guns
 

On Monday, 26 February 2018 12:56:09 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 11:33 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:19:23 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:55:20 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed.Â* It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed.Â* Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

You think *you* would be able to shoot a home invader. Why do you think you're so much better than everyone else?

Excellent point.

I suppose he thinks the home invader would be unarmed and as fat as he is to make an easy target.



Have you seen this? Just happened the other day. Mother and daughter
are damn lucky neither were shot. Perp was arrested, taken to hospital
in critical condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiSl_zuSd4

Wow! I guess they were lucky...notice that robber wrestled the gun from the mother...good thing she held him off for as long as she did.

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:56:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:33 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:19:23 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:55:20 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed.* It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed.* Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

You think *you* would be able to shoot a home invader. Why do you think you're so much better than everyone else?

Excellent point.

I suppose he thinks the home invader would be unarmed and as fat as he is to make an easy target.



Have you seen this? Just happened the other day. Mother and daughter
are damn lucky neither were shot. Perp was arrested, taken to hospital
in critical condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiSl_zuSd4


Hadn't seen it. Agree that they were damn lucky. They both should have taken some lessons in
shooting also! It seemed like they hit the guy several times, I wonder what they were shooting.
Maybe .25 caliber?

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:52:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:50:28 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

a smart, level headed properly trained teacher.

That is the rub.

It's being done. Look at the links Luddite's provided.

Not all teachers are untrainable, stupid, space cadets.

Teachers and guns
 

On 2/26/2018 12:14 PM, True North wrote:
On Monday, 26 February 2018 12:56:09 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 11:33 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:19:23 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:55:20 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed.Â* It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed.Â* Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

You think *you* would be able to shoot a home invader. Why do you think you're so much better than everyone else?

Excellent point.

I suppose he thinks the home invader would be unarmed and as fat as he is to make an easy target.



Have you seen this? Just happened the other day. Mother and daughter
are damn lucky neither were shot. Perp was arrested, taken to hospital
in critical condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiSl_zuSd4


Wow! I guess they were lucky...notice that robber wrestled the gun from the mother...good thing she held him off for as long as she did.


I think they both needed a bigger gun. The one the mother had looked
like a .38 revolver. The daughter had some kind of small pistol. The
hits took a while but eventually you can see the perp starting to
stumble around.

Teachers and guns
 

On 2/26/2018 12:15 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:56:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:33 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:19:23 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:55:20 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed.Â* It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed.Â* Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

You think *you* would be able to shoot a home invader. Why do you think you're so much better than everyone else?

Excellent point.

I suppose he thinks the home invader would be unarmed and as fat as he is to make an easy target.



Have you seen this? Just happened the other day. Mother and daughter
are damn lucky neither were shot. Perp was arrested, taken to hospital
in critical condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiSl_zuSd4


Hadn't seen it. Agree that they were damn lucky. They both should have taken some lessons in
shooting also! It seemed like they hit the guy several times, I wonder what they were shooting.
Maybe .25 caliber?


I don't know. I think I recognized the mother's gun as being a .38
revolver but could be wrong. Don't know what the daughter had.
I mentioned in a reply to Don that it took a while but eventually you
can see the robber starting to stumble due to being shot several times.

Teachers and guns
 

On 2/26/2018 12:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:22:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/26/18 9:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
True North wrote:
How long will it be before the first teacher accidently shoots a
student.
It will happen considering how gun crazy people are south of the border.


Bet on it. Dumbest idea ever.



You have (or had) a concealed carry permit.
I have a concealed carry permit.
Many people have a concealed carry permit.

What's the purpose of a concealed carry permit?

Last resort self-defense for yourself and/or others.Â* Correct?

What's so different about a teacher who wants a concealed carry permit
(or already has one) ?

The difference is the teacher unions.Â* Special authorization would be
required to be armed on public school property.



1. It is difficult if not impossible for a skilled, motivated shooter
with a handgun to face down a ****ed-off shooter with a high-powered
semi-auto rifle. Most school shooters are using AR-type rifles. A
teacher with a handgun likely will not have a lot of experience shooting
and is likely going to be cut down in short order.

2. When the police enter a building in which there is an active shooter,
they tend to identify the shooter as the person holding and perhaps
shooting the firearm. More dead teachers.

3. Where is the teacher supposed to keep the firearm? Will it be stolen?
Or will a kid, especially a little kid, grab the firearm to play with it
and accidentally shoot himself or a buddy or the teacher?

4. Lawsuits. Lots of lawsuits. You can imagine the variety.


The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I agree most teachers are not going to be good candidates
The janitor might be a better candidate for carrying the gun.

I do think the school systems with these "diversion" programs where
they fail to report criminal students are partially responsible. If
Parkland HS had reported the crimes Cruz committed in school, he would
have a record that would have prevented him from buying the gun.
The Sheriff also failed to act on credible reports of felonies.



Heh. I have to chuckle. You *are* discriminating against teachers.
What makes them any different than the janitor if they both have the
same level of training in the use of firearms?

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:22:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:15 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:56:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:33 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:19:23 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:55:20 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed.* It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed.* Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

You think *you* would be able to shoot a home invader. Why do you think you're so much better than everyone else?

Excellent point.

I suppose he thinks the home invader would be unarmed and as fat as he is to make an easy target.



Have you seen this? Just happened the other day. Mother and daughter
are damn lucky neither were shot. Perp was arrested, taken to hospital
in critical condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiSl_zuSd4


Hadn't seen it. Agree that they were damn lucky. They both should have taken some lessons in
shooting also! It seemed like they hit the guy several times, I wonder what they were shooting.
Maybe .25 caliber?


I don't know. I think I recognized the mother's gun as being a .38
revolver but could be wrong. Don't know what the daughter had.
I mentioned in a reply to Don that it took a while but eventually you
can see the robber starting to stumble due to being shot several times.

Yeah, the mother's looked like a .38 Chief's Special, which my wife loves to shoot by the way.

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:56:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:33 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:19:23 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:55:20 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed.* It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed.* Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

You think *you* would be able to shoot a home invader. Why do you think you're so much better than everyone else?

Excellent point.

I suppose he thinks the home invader would be unarmed and as fat as he is to make an easy target.



Have you seen this? Just happened the other day. Mother and daughter
are damn lucky neither were shot. Perp was arrested, taken to hospital
in critical condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiSl_zuSd4


===

It's too bad they weren't more accurate.

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Teachers and guns
 

On 2/26/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:22:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:15 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:56:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:33 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:19:23 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:55:20 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed.Â* It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed.Â* Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

You think *you* would be able to shoot a home invader. Why do you think you're so much better than everyone else?

Excellent point.

I suppose he thinks the home invader would be unarmed and as fat as he is to make an easy target.



Have you seen this? Just happened the other day. Mother and daughter
are damn lucky neither were shot. Perp was arrested, taken to hospital
in critical condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiSl_zuSd4


Hadn't seen it. Agree that they were damn lucky. They both should have taken some lessons in
shooting also! It seemed like they hit the guy several times, I wonder what they were shooting.
Maybe .25 caliber?


I don't know. I think I recognized the mother's gun as being a .38
revolver but could be wrong. Don't know what the daughter had.
I mentioned in a reply to Don that it took a while but eventually you
can see the robber starting to stumble due to being shot several times.


Yeah, the mother's looked like a .38 Chief's Special, which my wife loves to shoot by the way.


I have one also. My only revolver. But after watching that video I am
thinking maybe a .357 revolver would be more appropriate.

Then again, it's not clear how many times the mother actually hit the
perp. He was out of the camera range when she was firing the most
shots. She hit him once in the arm looks like. The daughter clearly hit
him a couple of times as well.

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:44:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:22:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:15 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:56:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:33 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:19:23 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:55:20 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed.* It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed.* Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

You think *you* would be able to shoot a home invader. Why do you think you're so much better than everyone else?

Excellent point.

I suppose he thinks the home invader would be unarmed and as fat as he is to make an easy target.



Have you seen this? Just happened the other day. Mother and daughter
are damn lucky neither were shot. Perp was arrested, taken to hospital
in critical condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiSl_zuSd4


Hadn't seen it. Agree that they were damn lucky. They both should have taken some lessons in
shooting also! It seemed like they hit the guy several times, I wonder what they were shooting.
Maybe .25 caliber?


I don't know. I think I recognized the mother's gun as being a .38
revolver but could be wrong. Don't know what the daughter had.
I mentioned in a reply to Don that it took a while but eventually you
can see the robber starting to stumble due to being shot several times.


Yeah, the mother's looked like a .38 Chief's Special, which my wife loves to shoot by the way.


I have one also. My only revolver. But after watching that video I am
thinking maybe a .357 revolver would be more appropriate.

Then again, it's not clear how many times the mother actually hit the
perp. He was out of the camera range when she was firing the most
shots. She hit him once in the arm looks like. The daughter clearly hit
him a couple of times as well.


The gun the daughter was shooting looked like a .25 caliber Spanish made pistol my brother had.
Could have been bigger, but it didn't look like her hits were having much of an effect.

Teachers and guns
 

On 2/26/2018 12:40 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:56:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:33 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:19:23 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:55:20 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed.Â* It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed.Â* Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

You think *you* would be able to shoot a home invader. Why do you think you're so much better than everyone else?

Excellent point.

I suppose he thinks the home invader would be unarmed and as fat as he is to make an easy target.



Have you seen this? Just happened the other day. Mother and daughter
are damn lucky neither were shot. Perp was arrested, taken to hospital
in critical condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiSl_zuSd4


===

It's too bad they weren't more accurate.


It appears the mother got him in the arm once but it only slowed him
down temporarily. The daughter's shots seemed to have more affect on him.

Teachers and guns
 

On 2/26/18 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:50:28 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

a smart, level headed properly trained teacher.

That is the rub.


Fortunately, Justan couldn't qualify on any of those counts. :)

Teachers and guns
 

On 2/26/18 11:54 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed. It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed. Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.


Rediculous. Do you think those teachers would go into a classroom
armed and without training? What training beyond video games does
the average mass murderer have?


A lot more firepower than a classroom teacher carrying a side arm, and
not caring whether he lives or dies.

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:53:23 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/26/18 11:54 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed. It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed. Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.


Rediculous. Do you think those teachers would go into a classroom
armed and without training? What training beyond video games does
the average mass murderer have?


A lot more firepower than a classroom teacher carrying a side arm, and
not caring whether he lives or dies.

Another stupid comment. You and your butt buddy are batting a thousand today.

Teachers and guns
 

On 2/26/18 12:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:22:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:15 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:56:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:33 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:19:23 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:55:20 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze
wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions
when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted
who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that
teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence -
protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of
carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed.Â* It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have
responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free
to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I
heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers
are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the
equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word
for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html



NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders





And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a
restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply
stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as
opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote.
More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their
editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not
universal.
Some *want* to be armed.Â* Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the
slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

You think *you* would be able to shoot a home invader.Â* Why do
you think you're so much better than everyone else?

Excellent point.

I suppose he thinks the home invader would be unarmed and as fat
as he is to make an easy target.



Have you seen this?Â* Just happened the other day. Mother and daughter
are damn lucky neither were shot.Â* Perp was arrested, taken to
hospital
in critical condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiSl_zuSd4


Hadn't seen it. Agree that they were damn lucky. They both should
have taken some lessons in
shooting also! It seemed like they hit the guy several times, I
wonder what they were shooting.
Maybe .25 caliber?


I don't know. I think I recognized the mother's gun as being a .38
revolver but could be wrong.Â* Don't know what the daughter had.
I mentioned in a reply to Don that it took a while but eventually you
can see the robber starting to stumble due to being shot several times.


Yeah, the mother's looked like a .38 Chief's Special, which my wife
loves to shoot by the way.


I have one also.Â* My only revolver.Â* But after watching that video I am
thinking maybe a .357 revolver would be more appropriate.

Then again, it's not clear how many times the mother actually hit the
perp.Â* He was out of the camera range when she was firing the most
shots. She hit him once in the arm looks like. The daughter clearly hit
him a couple of times as well.






At any distance within this house, meaning in any room, hallway or
adjacent rooms, I can fling a .357 Mag Hornady Critical Defense round
into the chest of a home invader, if he is facing me, or into the side
of his upper body if he is standing at an angle. I've practiced those
shots hundreds and hundreds of times, from distances of 3' to 25' on
paper targets, blocks of ballistic gel, and two liter sodapop bottles
and empty sodapop and beer cans. Double action or single action, strong
or weak handed. This is no great accomplishment. You can do that the
same way you get to Carnegie Hall: practice, practice, practice.

It is unlikely the home invader will continue what he came to do after
being hit by a .357 Mag round.

I'm sure a well-placed 9mm round will do almost as well, but with a .357
Mag you have room for error.

As Greg pointed out the other day, the noise is horrendous. :)

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:08:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/26/18 12:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:22:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:15 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:56:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:33 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:19:23 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:55:20 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze
wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions
when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted
who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that
teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence -
protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of
carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed.* It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have
responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free
to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I
heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers
are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the
equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word
for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html



NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders





And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a
restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply
stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as
opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote.
More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their
editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not
universal.
Some *want* to be armed.* Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the
slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

You think *you* would be able to shoot a home invader.* Why do
you think you're so much better than everyone else?

Excellent point.

I suppose he thinks the home invader would be unarmed and as fat
as he is to make an easy target.



Have you seen this?* Just happened the other day. Mother and daughter
are damn lucky neither were shot.* Perp was arrested, taken to
hospital
in critical condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiSl_zuSd4


Hadn't seen it. Agree that they were damn lucky. They both should
have taken some lessons in
shooting also! It seemed like they hit the guy several times, I
wonder what they were shooting.
Maybe .25 caliber?


I don't know. I think I recognized the mother's gun as being a .38
revolver but could be wrong.* Don't know what the daughter had.
I mentioned in a reply to Don that it took a while but eventually you
can see the robber starting to stumble due to being shot several times.


Yeah, the mother's looked like a .38 Chief's Special, which my wife
loves to shoot by the way.


I have one also.* My only revolver.* But after watching that video I am
thinking maybe a .357 revolver would be more appropriate.

Then again, it's not clear how many times the mother actually hit the
perp.* He was out of the camera range when she was firing the most
shots. She hit him once in the arm looks like. The daughter clearly hit
him a couple of times as well.






At any distance within this house, meaning in any room, hallway or
adjacent rooms, I can fling a .357 Mag Hornady Critical Defense round
into the chest of a home invader, if he is facing me, or into the side
of his upper body if he is standing at an angle. I've practiced those
shots hundreds and hundreds of times, from distances of 3' to 25' on
paper targets, blocks of ballistic gel, and two liter sodapop bottles
and empty sodapop and beer cans. Double action or single action, strong
or weak handed. This is no great accomplishment. You can do that the
same way you get to Carnegie Hall: practice, practice, practice.

It is unlikely the home invader will continue what he came to do after
being hit by a .357 Mag round.

I'm sure a well-placed 9mm round will do almost as well, but with a .357
Mag you have room for error.

As Greg pointed out the other day, the noise is horrendous. :)

Assuming the invader is not shooting back and is as fat as you are.

Teachers and guns
 

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/26/18 12:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:22:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:15 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:56:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:33 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:19:23 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:55:20 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze
wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions
when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted
who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that
teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence -
protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of
carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed. It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have
responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free
to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I
heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers
are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the
equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word
for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html



NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders





And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a
restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply
stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as
opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote.
More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their
editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not
universal.
Some *want* to be armed. Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the
slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

You think *you* would be able to shoot a home invader. Why do
you think you're so much better than everyone else?

Excellent point.

I suppose he thinks the home invader would be unarmed and as fat
as he is to make an easy target.



Have you seen this? Just happened the other day. Mother and daughter
are damn lucky neither were shot. Perp was arrested, taken to
hospital
in critical condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiSl_zuSd4


Hadn't seen it. Agree that they were damn lucky. They both should
have taken some lessons in
shooting also! It seemed like they hit the guy several times, I
wonder what they were shooting.
Maybe .25 caliber?


I don't know. I think I recognized the mother's gun as being a .38
revolver but could be wrong. Don't know what the daughter had.
I mentioned in a reply to Don that it took a while but eventually you
can see the robber starting to stumble due to being shot several times.


Yeah, the mother's looked like a .38 Chief's Special, which my wife
loves to shoot by the way.


I have one also. My only revolver. But after watching that video I am
thinking maybe a .357 revolver would be more appropriate.

Then again, it's not clear how many times the mother actually hit the
perp. He was out of the camera range when she was firing the most
shots. She hit him once in the arm looks like. The daughter clearly hit
him a couple of times as well.






At any distance within this house, meaning in any room, hallway or
adjacent rooms, I can fling a .357 Mag Hornady Critical Defense round
into the chest of a home invader, if he is facing me, or into the side
of his upper body if he is standing at an angle. I've practiced those
shots hundreds and hundreds of times, from distances of 3' to 25' on
paper targets, blocks of ballistic gel, and two liter sodapop bottles
and empty sodapop and beer cans. Double action or single action, strong
or weak handed. This is no great accomplishment. You can do that the
same way you get to Carnegie Hall: practice, practice, practice.

It is unlikely the home invader will continue what he came to do after
being hit by a .357 Mag round.

I'm sure a well-placed 9mm round will do almost as well, but with a .357
Mag you have room for error.

As Greg pointed out the other day, the noise is horrendous. :)


If you weren't such an asshole that extensive self defense
training that you do would probably never be put to use. But, you
being you, you should keep on training. I must really suck to be
you.
--
x


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http://usenet.sinaapp.com/

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On Monday, 26 February 2018 14:52:39 UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:50:28 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

a smart, level headed properly trained teacher.

That is the rub.


Fortunately, Justan couldn't qualify on any of those counts. :)

Neither did The John ...good thing they weren't arming teachers when he was doing his part to drop the average level of education in the US.

Teachers and guns
 

On Monday, 26 February 2018 14:57:47 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:53:23 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/26/18 11:54 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed. It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed. Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.


Rediculous. Do you think those teachers would go into a classroom
armed and without training? What training beyond video games does
the average mass murderer have?


A lot more firepower than a classroom teacher carrying a side arm, and
not caring whether he lives or dies.

Another stupid comment. You and your butt buddy are batting a thousand today.



Does calling other posters names make y'all feel better about yourself, Johnny?

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:52:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I guess your logic and arguments support the Florida cop's decision not
to engage Cruz because he had an AR-15. Oh, well. 17 dead.

(That whole issue, the numerous prior contacts and tips police had about
Cruz and the FBI's failure to followup on tips really needs to be
thoroughly investigated).

The proposal for teachers having guns includes having them in a secure,
locked safe. No reason for kids or anyone to know they exist. May take
a little time to retrieve a firearm but would probably beat the time
required for police to arrive.

I understand the confusion that could occur regarding police showing up
and facing an armed teacher. That problem needs to be resolved however
if law enforcement already knows that good guys may be armed,
precautions can be taken. Good guy/bad guy training is part of some
police training courses. Maybe an instant alarm signal to the police?

Again, nobody is talking about arming teachers against their will. It is
an idea only for those who feel compelled to volunteer.

I reject the idea that a trained cop with a handgun in a confined
place like a school is no match for a kid with an AR. Nobody said this
has to be a fair fight. Bushwhack his ass, shoot him in the back if
you can. Get in his path, hole up behind cover and shoot him as soon
as you get a shot. This guy is not expecting anyone to be shooting
back and I did not hear he had body armor. I might even go after him
with a knife if I could have the element of surprise. (But I am old, I
am going to die soon anyway)

Teachers and guns
 

On 2/26/2018 1:57 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:53:23 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/26/18 11:54 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed. It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed. Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.


Rediculous. Do you think those teachers would go into a classroom
armed and without training? What training beyond video games does
the average mass murderer have?


A lot more firepower than a classroom teacher carrying a side arm, and
not caring whether he lives or dies.

Another stupid comment. You and your butt buddy are batting a thousand today.



We all forget .... Harry was a teacher at one time.

Teachers and guns
 

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/26/2018 1:57 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:53:23 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/26/18 11:54 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed. It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed. Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.


Rediculous. Do you think those teachers would go into a classroom
armed and without training? What training beyond video games does
the average mass murderer have?


A lot more firepower than a classroom teacher carrying a side arm, and
not caring whether he lives or dies.

Another stupid comment. You and your butt buddy are batting a thousand today.



We all forget .... Harry was a teacher at one time.




Not really. He was a "bonehead English" tutor. Lets not give the
fat man more credit than he deserves.
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Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:55:16 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed.Â* It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed.Â* Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

Why? A teacher who knew enough tactics to be protected by cover and
shoot this prick in the back would have stopped this pretty fast. He
has to enter rooms and he has no idea what to expect or where to look
first. I doubt this kid is standing in the hall, slicing the pie. (a
method of entry for the uneducated) If he is, someone else could come
up behind him and put one in his ear. That is why the cops use teams.
Long guns are scary but that is also a big pecker sticking out in
front of you when you go through a door. A trained person can take it
away from you before you can ever get it pointed at them.

I do agree there are not many teachers who could complete this kind of
training and have the violence of action to actually pull off a disarm
but they could certainly hide out and shoot the ****er in the back.
I still say the janitor might be a better candidate for the gun.
Teachers should just be drilled on defensive tactics. Get the kids out
of the line of fire, lock the door and hunker down. At the bare
minimum they should have lines painted on the floor designating areas
you can't see from the hall. The reality is you are not shooting
through a steel fire door at a low angle anyway so the lines would
represent a very conservative position.
School walls are concrete block anywhere I have ever been. That is
pretty tough too.

Teachers and guns
 

On 2/26/2018 2:08 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 12:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:22:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:15 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:56:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:33 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:19:23 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:55:20 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze
wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers'
unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted
who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that
teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence -
protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of
carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer
to be
trained and
armed.Â* It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have
responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course
free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I
heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many
teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the
equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your
word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too
many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html



NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders





And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a
restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply
stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students,
as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote.
More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their
editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not
universal.
Some *want* to be armed.Â* Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of
schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the
slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

You think *you* would be able to shoot a home invader.Â* Why do
you think you're so much better than everyone else?

Excellent point.

I suppose he thinks the home invader would be unarmed and as fat
as he is to make an easy target.



Have you seen this?Â* Just happened the other day. Mother and daughter
are damn lucky neither were shot.Â* Perp was arrested, taken to
hospital
in critical condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiSl_zuSd4


Hadn't seen it. Agree that they were damn lucky. They both should
have taken some lessons in
shooting also! It seemed like they hit the guy several times, I
wonder what they were shooting.
Maybe .25 caliber?


I don't know. I think I recognized the mother's gun as being a .38
revolver but could be wrong.Â* Don't know what the daughter had.
I mentioned in a reply to Don that it took a while but eventually you
can see the robber starting to stumble due to being shot several times.


Yeah, the mother's looked like a .38 Chief's Special, which my wife
loves to shoot by the way.


I have one also.Â* My only revolver.Â* But after watching that video I
am thinking maybe a .357 revolver would be more appropriate.

Then again, it's not clear how many times the mother actually hit the
perp.Â* He was out of the camera range when she was firing the most
shots. She hit him once in the arm looks like. The daughter clearly
hit him a couple of times as well.






At any distance within this house, meaning in any room, hallway or
adjacent rooms, I can fling a .357 Mag Hornady Critical Defense round
into the chest of a home invader, if he is facing me, or into the side
of his upper body if he is standing at an angle. I've practiced those
shots hundreds and hundreds of times, from distances of 3' to 25' on
paper targets, blocks of ballistic gel, and two liter sodapop bottles
and empty sodapop and beer cans. Double action or single action, strong
or weak handed. This is no great accomplishment. You can do that the
same way you get to Carnegie Hall: practice, practice, practice.

It is unlikely the home invader will continue what he came to do after
being hit by a .357 Mag round.

I'm sure a well-placed 9mm round will do almost as well, but with a .357
Mag you have room for error.

As Greg pointed out the other day, the noise is horrendous. :)


I had a .357 Magnum revolver. It was the S&W 627 Performance Center
model. It was impressive but once I got over the "new-ness" of it, I
sorta lost interest in it. Just made a little larger hole in paper
targets with a lot more noise and greater expense per round. I've posted
the link to a YouTube video here in the past of shooting it at the range.

I am at the point where all I am interested in is something for home
defense in the improbable chance anyone tried to enter our house with
criminal intent and a small concealed carry pistol for the even rarer
times I carry .... which is only when we are going somewhere that could
represent a higher than normal risk. Doesn't happen often.

The little .38 Special and the Sig 226 will serve those purposes. May
not put someone big down but they will catch his attention.
Still debating about getting rid of the Walther though. It's a very
nice, accurate handgun, but a little too big for concealed carry purposes.

Guns don't fascinate me but as we get older we may need a fighting
chance if anything bad happens.

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:08:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



I suggested an approach:

The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I really doubt new laws do anything but change how the bad guy gets
his gun., The country is awash with them.
The bullet proof door is not really necessary if the teacher gets the
kids out of the line if fire but you may want to armor the strike
plate a little better so it is hard to shoot out the lock. Commercial
products are already available for that.
The one you miss is get rid of the diversion programs that keep
violent kids out of jail. That may be exactly where they belong ...
like this ****er. If the school had pursued the charges they had, he
would not have passed the background check. If the Sheriff had
followed up on the complaints, he would have been in prison for 10
years, just on the aggravated assault with a gun.

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:11:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Guess you're right. Nothing can be done. We'll just have to live with it.

And please don't give me the "lock up the school like a safe" BS. Many
or maybe even most schools do that now-a-days yet these nut-cases still
find a way to get in. Or, maybe they'll have to revert to sitting
outside waiting for the kiddies to exit to the school buses before he
mows them down.

No plan is absolute. It just seems to me that a response that is faster
than the police arriving may save some lives.

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:28:02 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:55:16 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

A couple rounds in his general direction may have had him leaving the school. Better that the kids
got killed?

If the shots miss, Harry is probably right. I would not want to be
face to face with a AR and only have a pistol. OTOH if you just come
up behind this guy and put one in the back of his head, you win that
fight. To that end, someone with tactical skills should identify the
best places to wait and have your armed people know where the best one
is based on where the shots are coming from.
Maybe we can scour the 7-11s and find some old Vietcong guys. They
were pretty good at ambushing guys with ARs ;-)

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 15:16:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/26/2018 1:57 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 13:53:23 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/26/18 11:54 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers' unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence - protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer to be
trained and
armed. It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html


NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders




And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students, as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote. More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not universal.
Some *want* to be armed. Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.


Rediculous. Do you think those teachers would go into a classroom
armed and without training? What training beyond video games does
the average mass murderer have?


A lot more firepower than a classroom teacher carrying a side arm, and
not caring whether he lives or dies.

Another stupid comment. You and your butt buddy are batting a thousand today.



We all forget .... Harry was a teacher at one time.


He says.

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 15:37:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/26/2018 2:08 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 12:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:22:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:15 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:56:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 11:33 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:19:23 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:55:20 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze
wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:06:01 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:31:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 8:16 AM, John H. wrote:

I am not surprised at the stance of the teachers'
unions when it
comes to arming teachers. It's an
anti-Trump stance, and I'd expect nothing more.

I am surprised at the number of teachers being quoted
who use 'too
many responsibilities already' as
a reason for not arming teachers. It's true that
teachers have a
load of responsibilities. But, when
the shooting starts only one takes precedence -
protecting kids. I
don't think any unwilling teacher
would be asked to carry a gun. And, the simple act of
carrying a
gun does not add significantly to
the other duties of a teacher.


Trump's proposal calls only for teachers who volunteer
to be
trained and
armed.* It's certainly not mandatory.

Not as well reported is that hundreds of teachers have
responded to a
gun course instructor in Ohio who offered his course
free to teachers.
He initially planned on about 50 respondents but last I
heard now has
over 300 who want to attend.

Even NPR and CNN have quietly reported that many
teachers are in favor
of being trained and armed.



If the 'anti-Trump' politics were taken out of the
equation, I think
we'd see a lot more approval of
the idea. I am surprised that NBC and, I'll take your
word for it,
CNN are reporting anything
positive about it.

The idea that carrying would overload a teacher with too
many
responsibilities already is just
bull****.


CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/24/us/armed-teachers-states-trnd/index.html



NPR:

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/06/25/534230962/colorado-teachers-get-gun-training-as-first-responders





And, oh my gosh, a teacher's gun accidentally fired in a
restroom back
in 2014!

And comments like this from the NPR article, are simply
stupid: ""I
think all teachers would prefer
to be given the tools and resources to help our students,
as opposed
to being forced to shoot
them..."

It's that stupidity that the liberal news tends to quote.
More bull****.



What struck me was that both articles gloss over (in their
editorial
comments) the fact that teachers against being armed is not
universal.
Some *want* to be armed.* Don't they have the same rights?



Most Americans would prefer that firearms be kept out of
schools.


How did that work in parkland?


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the
slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

You think *you* would be able to shoot a home invader.* Why do
you think you're so much better than everyone else?

Excellent point.

I suppose he thinks the home invader would be unarmed and as fat
as he is to make an easy target.



Have you seen this?* Just happened the other day. Mother and daughter
are damn lucky neither were shot.* Perp was arrested, taken to
hospital
in critical condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiSl_zuSd4


Hadn't seen it. Agree that they were damn lucky. They both should
have taken some lessons in
shooting also! It seemed like they hit the guy several times, I
wonder what they were shooting.
Maybe .25 caliber?


I don't know. I think I recognized the mother's gun as being a .38
revolver but could be wrong.* Don't know what the daughter had.
I mentioned in a reply to Don that it took a while but eventually you
can see the robber starting to stumble due to being shot several times.


Yeah, the mother's looked like a .38 Chief's Special, which my wife
loves to shoot by the way.


I have one also.* My only revolver.* But after watching that video I
am thinking maybe a .357 revolver would be more appropriate.

Then again, it's not clear how many times the mother actually hit the
perp.* He was out of the camera range when she was firing the most
shots. She hit him once in the arm looks like. The daughter clearly
hit him a couple of times as well.






At any distance within this house, meaning in any room, hallway or
adjacent rooms, I can fling a .357 Mag Hornady Critical Defense round
into the chest of a home invader, if he is facing me, or into the side
of his upper body if he is standing at an angle. I've practiced those
shots hundreds and hundreds of times, from distances of 3' to 25' on
paper targets, blocks of ballistic gel, and two liter sodapop bottles
and empty sodapop and beer cans. Double action or single action, strong
or weak handed. This is no great accomplishment. You can do that the
same way you get to Carnegie Hall: practice, practice, practice.

It is unlikely the home invader will continue what he came to do after
being hit by a .357 Mag round.

I'm sure a well-placed 9mm round will do almost as well, but with a .357
Mag you have room for error.

As Greg pointed out the other day, the noise is horrendous. :)


I had a .357 Magnum revolver. It was the S&W 627 Performance Center
model. It was impressive but once I got over the "new-ness" of it, I
sorta lost interest in it. Just made a little larger hole in paper
targets with a lot more noise and greater expense per round. I've posted
the link to a YouTube video here in the past of shooting it at the range.

I am at the point where all I am interested in is something for home
defense in the improbable chance anyone tried to enter our house with
criminal intent and a small concealed carry pistol for the even rarer
times I carry .... which is only when we are going somewhere that could
represent a higher than normal risk. Doesn't happen often.

The little .38 Special and the Sig 226 will serve those purposes. May
not put someone big down but they will catch his attention.
Still debating about getting rid of the Walther though. It's a very
nice, accurate handgun, but a little too big for concealed carry purposes.

Guns don't fascinate me but as we get older we may need a fighting
chance if anything bad happens.


I didn't know you had a Sig 226. One of my retired-cop brothers told me it was his favorite weapon.
That was a few years back, but it's what prompted me to my mine. I love it. I can shoot better with
it than any other handgun.

I took some friends from the Navy Band to our local range. One of them had a Glock, and he'd done
quite a bit of shooting. At seven yards he was getting a 6-7" spread. I let him shoot the 226 and
his spread dropped to 3-4". He couldn't believe it.

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:32:34 -0500, John H.
wrote:


All it takes is one side door left unlocked or opened by a kid on the inside.

I suppose they could alarm the doors and that "hardened" school had a
bunch of surveillance, monitored from the office, with a link to the
cops. If the door alarm goes off in the office, they could look at the
monitor and know right away if this was a shooter or just a kid
sneaking out for a smoke.
You could harden a school pretty cheaply (in school board bucks) by
installing a bunch more cameras, a decent alarm/communication system
that indicated where the shooter was (display in each classroom) and
toughen up the classroom doors. If the shooter is trapped in the hall
with no one to shoot and being watched all the time. it would not be
that hard for the cops to hunt him down and kill him.

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:14:11 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I doubt most teachers these days are capable of using a gun in that
kind of situation.
I have not really been a fan of this idea as any wide spread policy.
Certainly there will be some who are willing to take the proper
training but a gun in a school is a far more serious thing than your
average CCW situation. They should have tactical training and a ****
load of range time practicing practical shooting, not just slow fire
target practice.



What makes a properly trained teacher any different than anyone else who
has been trained and has a concealed carry permit for self defense?

Are you discriminating against teachers?

Teachers in general do not seem to have the temperament to actually
shoot someone in the back and that is what it takes. Nobody in their
right mind would have a fair fight with a guy with an AK/AR. You need
to surprise the guy, don't give him a chance at all and take him out.
Otherwise Harry is right, one dead teacher.
I also wonder how many CCW people would actually perform in a serious
social situation.

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 15:54:37 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:28:02 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:55:16 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

A couple rounds in his general direction may have had him leaving the school. Better that the kids
got killed?

If the shots miss, Harry is probably right. I would not want to be
face to face with a AR and only have a pistol. OTOH if you just come
up behind this guy and put one in the back of his head, you win that
fight. To that end, someone with tactical skills should identify the
best places to wait and have your armed people know where the best one
is based on where the shots are coming from.
Maybe we can scour the 7-11s and find some old Vietcong guys. They
were pretty good at ambushing guys with ARs ;-)

No ****!

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:15:49 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:56:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


Have you seen this? Just happened the other day. Mother and daughter
are damn lucky neither were shot. Perp was arrested, taken to hospital
in critical condition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiSl_zuSd4


Hadn't seen it. Agree that they were damn lucky. They both should have taken some lessons in
shooting also! It seemed like they hit the guy several times, I wonder what they were shooting.
Maybe .25 caliber?

Looks like .38s to me and I am not surprised they didn't hit this guy
anywhere serious. They used horrible tactics and their shooting style
was "unique" to say the least. Someone needed to remind them to aim.
Two armed people, in familiar surroundings should have trapped this
guy in a crossfire and fired from cover with a decent rest.

Teachers and guns
 

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:18:12 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:52:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:50:28 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

a smart, level headed properly trained teacher.

That is the rub.

It's being done. Look at the links Luddite's provided.

Not all teachers are untrainable, stupid, space cadets.

Most are also not retired combat vets.