AR-15 rifles
 

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 06:04:07 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 12:42:43 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 20:44:53 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

A basic "starter kit" AR is $400-500. You have to assemble it (the lower). A good assembled AR is about $1000.

Building one is easy. Once you've done it, you can build a lower in ~20 minutes. The upper, if you have the couple of tools required, shouldn't take more than that.

Rural King will sell you a S&W M&P for $500 ready to go, no assembly
necessary. I even see them less on sale occasionally.

The M&P Sport model is their least expensive and it retails for $739, with a street price of $600+. Rural King seems to be selling them for less than anyone else I've seen.

https://gunprime.com/product/smith-w...16-30rd-black/

AR-15 rifles
 

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 9:44:30 AM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 06:04:07 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 12:42:43 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 20:44:53 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

A basic "starter kit" AR is $400-500. You have to assemble it (the lower). A good assembled AR is about $1000.

Building one is easy. Once you've done it, you can build a lower in ~20 minutes. The upper, if you have the couple of tools required, shouldn't take more than that.

Rural King will sell you a S&W M&P for $500 ready to go, no assembly
necessary. I even see them less on sale occasionally.

The M&P Sport model is their least expensive and it retails for $739, with a street price of $600+. Rural King seems to be selling them for less than anyone else I've seen.

https://gunprime.com/product/smith-w...16-30rd-black/

Wow. That's a deal.

AR-15 rifles
 

True North wrote:
On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of
mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every
long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so
the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.


How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a
major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh
yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in
the street. It is a breakdown of society.

AR-15 rifles
 

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 06:50:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 10:58 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 17:04:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Ok. How do we "change" society?

Good question.
How do we convince a kid who grew up entitled, told he was special and
then was suddenly faced with the reality that all of his participation
trophies are worthless, his education does not qualify him for a
decent job, the world doesn't owe him anything and his future is
bleak, that there is a good reason why he should not die in a hail of
bullets after showing the world he does have power.


Take him to a Libertarian pep rally.

another off topic brain fart from harry

AR-15 rifles
 

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:01:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.

The problem with the "doing something" mentality is it will never be
enough. Once you start down that road, there will be no end in sight.

When they came for the ARs I said nothing because I did not have an AR
....

AR-15 rifles
 

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:12:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 11:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:07:07 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.

How do you do that? We also have a 5th amendment that says the
government can't just "take" things without just compensation and the
6th amendment says they need to use due process. Even if they could
repeal the second amendment, you still have those nagging problems.



Apparently states can as evidenced by the recent (Feb 1st) ban of bump
stocks and trigger cranks in Massachusetts and the requirement within 90
days to turn over any existing bump stocks/trigger cranks to local or
state police to be destroyed. No compensation and criminal prosecution
including a $10,000 fine and/or subject to incarceration if caught with
either or both after the 90 day period.


You might even see the ACLU join the law suit with NRA for that one.
They need to provide "just compensation" and this is an "ex post
facto" law.

AR-15 rifles
 

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:28:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.



More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an
awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian
recreational use. It could be the beginning of a more rational attitude
about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights". I know this
offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15 style
rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and
the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do
a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three.


I could make the same argument about just about any car except a 4
cylinder family sedan. Would you ban sports cars? They have no
function except being cool to have and they kill many times more
people than AR 15s.
Should people have to justify having a truck or SUV with a specific
need?
I guarantee you there are plenty of environmentalists who would sign
on to that legislation. Hard core greenies would ban cars altogether
to save the planet.
The slope really starts getting slippery when you start banning
things, simply because of perceptions,.

AR-15 rifles
 

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 11:56:22 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:01:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.

The problem with the "doing something" mentality is it will never be
enough. Once you start down that road, there will be no end in sight.

When they came for the ARs I said nothing because I did not have an AR
...

Agreed. The mini-14's will be next on the list.

AR-15 rifles
 

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 06:04:07 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 12:42:43 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 20:44:53 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

A basic "starter kit" AR is $400-500. You have to assemble it (the lower). A good assembled AR is about $1000.

Building one is easy. Once you've done it, you can build a lower in ~20 minutes. The upper, if you have the couple of tools required, shouldn't take more than that.

Rural King will sell you a S&W M&P for $500 ready to go, no assembly
necessary. I even see them less on sale occasionally.

The M&P Sport model is their least expensive and it retails for $739, with a street price of $600+. Rural King seems to be selling them for less than anyone else I've seen.

I think Walmart matches their price or is very close. I really have no
interest in ARs so I don't pay that much attention.
In that regard I almost agree with Richard but I also realize it is
none of my business what others want to do. I understand a homicidal
maniac can buy a prettier gun, like a ranch rifle and do exactly the
same damage. (same ammo, same rate of fire, same size magazines)
We keep forgetting, the first "school shooter" most people remember
killed 14 people and wounded 31 with a bolt action Remington 700.
(Charles Whitman)

AR-15 rifles
 

On 2/23/2018 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:01:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

---
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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.

The problem with the "doing something" mentality is it will never be
enough. Once you start down that road, there will be no end in sight.

When they came for the ARs I said nothing because I did not have an AR
...



Ah, the 'ol "slippery slope" argument as to why nothing can be done.

I'll risk the slippery slope if it saves even one little kid's life.

AR-15 rifles
 

On 2/23/2018 12:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:28:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

---
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http://www.avg.com

I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.



More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an
awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian
recreational use. It could be the beginning of a more rational attitude
about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights". I know this
offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15 style
rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and
the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do
a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three.


I could make the same argument about just about any car except a 4
cylinder family sedan. Would you ban sports cars? They have no
function except being cool to have and they kill many times more
people than AR 15s.
Should people have to justify having a truck or SUV with a specific
need?
I guarantee you there are plenty of environmentalists who would sign
on to that legislation. Hard core greenies would ban cars altogether
to save the planet.
The slope really starts getting slippery when you start banning
things, simply because of perceptions,.



Yep, as President Reagan said, "There you go again".

You're comparing a car that's purpose is transportation and/or enjoyment
with a AR-15 that's purpose is to shoot things and, too often, people.
When a fatality in a car occurs it's called an "accident".

Like I said. Let's have a *rational* discussion.

AR-15 rifles
 

wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:28:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it
would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.



More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an
awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian
recreational use. It could be the beginning of a more rational attitude
about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights". I know this
offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15 style
rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and
the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do
a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three.


I could make the same argument about just about any car except a 4
cylinder family sedan. Would you ban sports cars? They have no
function except being cool to have and they kill many times more
people than AR 15s.
Should people have to justify having a truck or SUV with a specific
need?
I guarantee you there are plenty of environmentalists who would sign
on to that legislation. Hard core greenies would ban cars altogether
to save the planet.
The slope really starts getting slippery when you start banning
things, simply because of perceptions,.


There you go again, with your nonsensical comparison of car and gun deaths,
one a transportation device and the other a device whose primary purpose is
to kill. Sheesh.

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AR-15 rifles
 

On 2/23/2018 12:35 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:28:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

---
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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it
would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.



More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an
awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian
recreational use. It could be the beginning of a more rational attitude
about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights". I know this
offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15 style
rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and
the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do
a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three.


I could make the same argument about just about any car except a 4
cylinder family sedan. Would you ban sports cars? They have no
function except being cool to have and they kill many times more
people than AR 15s.
Should people have to justify having a truck or SUV with a specific
need?
I guarantee you there are plenty of environmentalists who would sign
on to that legislation. Hard core greenies would ban cars altogether
to save the planet.
The slope really starts getting slippery when you start banning
things, simply because of perceptions,.


There you go again, with your nonsensical comparison of car and gun deaths,
one a transportation device and the other a device whose primary purpose is
to kill. Sheesh.



HEY! I said it first! :-)

AR-15 rifles
 

On 2/23/2018 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 06:04:07 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 12:42:43 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 20:44:53 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

A basic "starter kit" AR is $400-500. You have to assemble it (the lower). A good assembled AR is about $1000.

Building one is easy. Once you've done it, you can build a lower in ~20 minutes. The upper, if you have the couple of tools required, shouldn't take more than that.

Rural King will sell you a S&W M&P for $500 ready to go, no assembly
necessary. I even see them less on sale occasionally.

The M&P Sport model is their least expensive and it retails for $739, with a street price of $600+. Rural King seems to be selling them for less than anyone else I've seen.

I think Walmart matches their price or is very close. I really have no
interest in ARs so I don't pay that much attention.
In that regard I almost agree with Richard but I also realize it is
none of my business what others want to do. I understand a homicidal
maniac can buy a prettier gun, like a ranch rifle and do exactly the
same damage. (same ammo, same rate of fire, same size magazines)
We keep forgetting, the first "school shooter" most people remember
killed 14 people and wounded 31 with a bolt action Remington 700.
(Charles Whitman)



For some reason the ability to run down to WalMart to buy an AR-15 type
rifle blows my mind.

AR-15 rifles
 

On 2/23/18 12:58 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 12:35 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:28:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid
problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy
access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of
the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our
wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy
availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state
background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have
to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to
another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the
Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target
shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive
out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and
their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100
yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have
happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do
just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical
style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up
weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of
this
country without any background check or waiting period. I
didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the
left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ
Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The
Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing".Â* The military should have
the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for
these mass
shootings more often than not.Â*Â* I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people
but they
do.Â* Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and
available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

---
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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it
would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.



More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an
awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian
recreational use.Â* It could be the beginning of a more rational
attitude
about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights".Â* I know this
offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15
style
rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and
the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do
a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three.


I could make the same argument about just about any car except a 4
cylinder family sedan. Would you ban sports cars? They have no
function except being cool to have and they kill many times more
people than AR 15s.
Should people have to justify having a truck or SUV with a specific
need?
I guarantee you there are plenty of environmentalists who would sign
on to that legislation. Hard core greenies would ban cars altogether
to save the planet.
The slope really starts getting slippery when you start banning
things, simply because of perceptions,.


There you go again, with your nonsensical comparison of car and gun
deaths,
one a transportation device and the other a device whose primary
purpose is
to kill. Sheesh.



HEY!Â* I said it first!Â*Â* :-)



My apologies for having the same thought. :)

AR-15 rifles
 

On 2/23/18 12:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 12:13 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 06:04:07 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 12:42:43 AM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 20:44:53 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

A basic "starter kit" AR is $400-500.Â* You have to assemble it (the
lower).Â* A good assembled AR is about $1000.

Building one is easy.Â* Once you've done it, you can build a lower
in ~20 minutes.Â* The upper, if you have the couple of tools
required, shouldn't take more than that.

Rural King will sell you a S&W M&P for $500 ready to go, no assembly
necessary. I even see them less on sale occasionally.

The M&P Sport model is their least expensive and it retails for $739,
with a street price of $600+.Â* Rural King seems to be selling them
for less than anyone else I've seen.

I think Walmart matches their price or is very close. I really have no
interest in ARs so I don't pay that much attention.
In that regard I almost agree with Richard but I also realize it is
none of my business what others want to do. I understand a homicidal
maniac can buy a prettier gun, like a ranch rifle and do exactly the
same damage. (same ammo, same rate of fire, same size magazines)
We keep forgetting, the first "school shooter" most people remember
killed 14 people and wounded 31 with a bolt action Remington 700.
(Charles Whitman)



For some reason the ability to run down to WalMart to buy an AR-15 type
rifleÂ* blows my mind.



It's perfect. You can get your Duck Dynasty tee-shirt there, I am sure,
plus a raffle ticket with a chance to marry Bristol Palin.

AR-15 rifles
 

On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of
mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every
long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so
the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.


How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a
major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh
yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in
the street. It is a breakdown of society.

I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to kill things. Get it?

AR-15 rifles
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it
would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.



More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an
awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian
recreational use. It could be the beginning of a more rational attitude
about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights". I know this
offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15 style
rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and
the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do
a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three.






The 2nd amendment was not for hunting.

AR-15 rifles
 

True North wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of
mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every
long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so
the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.


How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a
major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh
yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in
the street. It is a breakdown of society.

I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a
rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to
kill things. Get it?


The main purpose of the 2nd amendment is to keep government in check.

AR-15 rifles
 

Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of
mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every
long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so
the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.


How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a
major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh
yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in
the street. It is a breakdown of society.

I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a
rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to
kill things. Get it?


The main purpose of the 2nd amendment is to keep government in check.



That’s a laugh.

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AR-15 rifles
 

On 2/23/2018 2:11 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

---
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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it
would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.



More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an
awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian
recreational use. It could be the beginning of a more rational attitude
about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights". I know this
offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15 style
rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and
the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do
a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three.






The 2nd amendment was not for hunting.


Oh yeah. It was for a well regulated militia. If you think that refers
to national defense, I guess we can save a lot of money and do away with
the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard.

If you interpret that as being a state's right to protect against an
army raised and supported by a tyrannical national government as most
2nd Amendment orientalists (and gun nuts) believe to mean, it really
doesn't matter. If the US Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard
were ever taken over by a tyrannical national government and turned
against the states and the "well regulated militia" I don't think the
fight would last long.

AR-15 rifles
 

On 2/23/2018 2:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of
mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every
long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so
the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.


How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a
major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh
yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in
the street. It is a breakdown of society.

I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a
rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to
kill things. Get it?


The main purpose of the 2nd amendment is to keep government in check.



That’s a laugh.


It meant it then according to the SCOTUS .... or at least they *think*
that's what it meant. Obviously the meaning has been debated for years.

Certainly doesn't apply in today's age but why ruin 38 percent of the
population's wet dreams?

AR-15 rifles
 

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/22/2018 11:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:07:07 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.

How do you do that? We also have a 5th amendment that says the
government can't just "take" things without just compensation and the
6th amendment says they need to use due process. Even if they could
repeal the second amendment, you still have those nagging problems.



Apparently states can as evidenced by the recent (Feb 1st) ban of bump
stocks and trigger cranks in Massachusetts and the requirement within 90
days to turn over any existing bump stocks/trigger cranks to local or
state police to be destroyed. No compensation and criminal prosecution
including a $10,000 fine and/or subject to incarceration if caught with
either or both after the 90 day period.




Send me your guns. I'll watch over them until you can escape from
nannyland.
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On 2/23/2018 2:58 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/22/2018 11:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:07:07 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.

How do you do that? We also have a 5th amendment that says the
government can't just "take" things without just compensation and the
6th amendment says they need to use due process. Even if they could
repeal the second amendment, you still have those nagging problems.



Apparently states can as evidenced by the recent (Feb 1st) ban of bump
stocks and trigger cranks in Massachusetts and the requirement within 90
days to turn over any existing bump stocks/trigger cranks to local or
state police to be destroyed. No compensation and criminal prosecution
including a $10,000 fine and/or subject to incarceration if caught with
either or both after the 90 day period.




Send me your guns. I'll watch over them until you can escape from
nannyland.



:-)

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Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:28:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.


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I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it
would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.



More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an
awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian
recreational use. It could be the beginning of a more rational attitude
about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights". I know this
offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15 style
rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and
the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do
a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three.


I could make the same argument about just about any car except a 4
cylinder family sedan. Would you ban sports cars? They have no
function except being cool to have and they kill many times more
people than AR 15s.
Should people have to justify having a truck or SUV with a specific
need?
I guarantee you there are plenty of environmentalists who would sign
on to that legislation. Hard core greenies would ban cars altogether
to save the planet.
The slope really starts getting slippery when you start banning
things, simply because of perceptions,.


There you go again, with your nonsensical comparison of car and gun deaths,
one a transportation device and the other a device whose primary purpose is
to kill. Sheesh.

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:38:18 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of
mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every
long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so
the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.


How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a
major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh
yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in
the street. It is a breakdown of society.

I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to kill things. Get it?

We would expect you to parrot Harry. That's why you get paid. You'd be much better off parroting
Ludite more often. You wouldn't be such an ass.

And you're wrong. The main purpose of my guns is not to kill things. 'Purpose' resides with the
owner, not the implement.

Get it?

BTW, what page of your bowrider manual says not to ride in the bow?

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:11:54 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 11:56:22 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:01:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.

The problem with the "doing something" mentality is it will never be
enough. Once you start down that road, there will be no end in sight.

When they came for the ARs I said nothing because I did not have an AR
...

Agreed. The mini-14's will be next on the list.

It is not even a question of "next" it is already here. Have Harry,
Richard, Bill or anyone from New York/Jersey list the guns they can't
have now.

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:58:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/23/2018 2:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of
mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every
long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so
the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.


How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a
major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh
yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in
the street. It is a breakdown of society.

I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a
rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to
kill things. Get it?


The main purpose of the 2nd amendment is to keep government in check.



That’s a laugh.


It meant it then according to the SCOTUS .... or at least they *think*
that's what it meant. Obviously the meaning has been debated for years.

Certainly doesn't apply in today's age but why ruin 38 percent of the
population's wet dreams?

In today's age we have deviants who will go into schools and kill kids.

The main purpose of the 2d Amendment, in my opinion, is to ensure the right of the people to bear
arms is not infringed. Amen.

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:16:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/23/2018 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:01:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.

The problem with the "doing something" mentality is it will never be
enough. Once you start down that road, there will be no end in sight.

When they came for the ARs I said nothing because I did not have an AR
...



Ah, the 'ol "slippery slope" argument as to why nothing can be done.

I'll risk the slippery slope if it saves even one little kid's life.


Then you better get to work on cars. That is the deadliest thing for
kids in the US. Why not start at the top?
I was actually surprised that even in Bulletmore Murderland with 342
murders last year only 9 were 18 and under and were shot

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On 2/23/2018 3:48 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:58:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/23/2018 2:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of
mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every
long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so
the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.


How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a
major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh
yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in
the street. It is a breakdown of society.

I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a
rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to
kill things. Get it?


The main purpose of the 2nd amendment is to keep government in check.



That’s a laugh.


It meant it then according to the SCOTUS .... or at least they *think*
that's what it meant. Obviously the meaning has been debated for years.

Certainly doesn't apply in today's age but why ruin 38 percent of the
population's wet dreams?

In today's age we have deviants who will go into schools and kill kids.

The main purpose of the 2d Amendment, in my opinion, is to ensure the right of the people to bear
arms is not infringed. Amen.



Well, that opens up the age old debate, but your opinion is as good as
anyone else's. Only issue I have with your opinion is you have left out
the reason *why* the founding father's deemed it a right.

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On 2/23/18 2:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 2:11 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid
problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy
access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the
DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our
wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability
of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state
background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have
to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to
another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the
Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target
shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive
out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and
their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards
or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have
happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just
fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up
weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of
this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't
mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ
Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing".Â* The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for
these mass
shootings more often than not.Â*Â* I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people
but they
do.Â* Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and
available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it
would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.



More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an
awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian
recreational use.Â* It could be the beginning of a more rational attitude
about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights".Â* I know this
offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15 style
rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and
the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do
a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three.






The 2nd amendment was not for hunting.


Oh yeah.Â* It was for a well regulated militia.Â* If you think that refers
to national defense, I guess we can save a lot of money and do away with
the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard.

If you interpret that as being a state's right to protect against an
army raised and supported by a tyrannical national government as most
2nd Amendment orientalists (and gun nuts) believe to mean, it really
doesn't matter. If the US Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard
were ever taken over by a tyrannical national government and turned
against the states and the "well regulated militia"Â* I don't think the
fight would last long.




What part of "well-regulated" applies to today's rabble of NRA nutsies
who are not in the armed forces, national guard or police or similar
governmental entities? Even if one accepts the concept of "militia"
loosely, that is, just a body of citizenry, there is no real regulation
of that militia. Even the kids in the Red Dawn movie "regulated"
themselves by training together.

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:23:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/23/2018 3:48 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:58:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/23/2018 2:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of
mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every
long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so
the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.


How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a
major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh
yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in
the street. It is a breakdown of society.

I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a
rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to
kill things. Get it?


The main purpose of the 2nd amendment is to keep government in check.



That’s a laugh.


It meant it then according to the SCOTUS .... or at least they *think*
that's what it meant. Obviously the meaning has been debated for years.

Certainly doesn't apply in today's age but why ruin 38 percent of the
population's wet dreams?

In today's age we have deviants who will go into schools and kill kids.

The main purpose of the 2d Amendment, in my opinion, is to ensure the right of the people to bear
arms is not infringed. Amen.



Well, that opens up the age old debate, but your opinion is as good as
anyone else's. Only issue I have with your opinion is you have left out
the reason *why* the founding father's deemed it a right.

I think they just picked a reason that sounded good. They could have said 'for hunting' or 'for
personal protection'. The reason could be done away with. How many of the other amendments have a
'justification' clause.

AR-15 rifles
 

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:40:15 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/23/18 2:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 2:11 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid
problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy
access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the
DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our
wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability
of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state
background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have
to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to
another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the
Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target
shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive
out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and
their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards
or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have
happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just
fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up
weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of
this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't
mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ
Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing".* The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for
these mass
shootings more often than not.** I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people
but they
do.* Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and
available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it
would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.



More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an
awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian
recreational use.* It could be the beginning of a more rational attitude
about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights".* I know this
offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15 style
rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and
the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do
a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three.






The 2nd amendment was not for hunting.


Oh yeah.* It was for a well regulated militia.* If you think that refers
to national defense, I guess we can save a lot of money and do away with
the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard.

If you interpret that as being a state's right to protect against an
army raised and supported by a tyrannical national government as most
2nd Amendment orientalists (and gun nuts) believe to mean, it really
doesn't matter. If the US Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard
were ever taken over by a tyrannical national government and turned
against the states and the "well regulated militia"* I don't think the
fight would last long.




What part of "well-regulated" applies to today's rabble of NRA nutsies
who are not in the armed forces, national guard or police or similar
governmental entities? Even if one accepts the concept of "militia"
loosely, that is, just a body of citizenry, there is no real regulation
of that militia. Even the kids in the Red Dawn movie "regulated"
themselves by training together.

Each state has its National Guard, which is pretty damn regulated. Volunteers could be called upon
by the governor, if the need arose, and trained in short manner by the Guard forces.

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On 2/23/2018 4:49 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:23:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/23/2018 3:48 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:58:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/23/2018 2:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of
mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every
long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so
the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.


How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a
major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh
yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in
the street. It is a breakdown of society.

I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a
rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to
kill things. Get it?


The main purpose of the 2nd amendment is to keep government in check.



That’s a laugh.


It meant it then according to the SCOTUS .... or at least they *think*
that's what it meant. Obviously the meaning has been debated for years.

Certainly doesn't apply in today's age but why ruin 38 percent of the
population's wet dreams?

In today's age we have deviants who will go into schools and kill kids.

The main purpose of the 2d Amendment, in my opinion, is to ensure the right of the people to bear
arms is not infringed. Amen.



Well, that opens up the age old debate, but your opinion is as good as
anyone else's. Only issue I have with your opinion is you have left out
the reason *why* the founding father's deemed it a right.

I think they just picked a reason that sounded good. They could have said 'for hunting' or 'for
personal protection'. The reason could be done away with. How many of the other amendments have a
'justification' clause.


Ah, but there was much debate about including the 2nd Amendment from the
Bill of Rights. Some argued against it. Some argued for it. For a
clearer understanding of what was on their wig covered minds, read the
two Militia Acts of 1792. The first gives the president the authority
to call up the state militias in the event of an attack or invasion by a
foreign adversary or Indian tribe. The second Act establishes
conscription and, to some, defines what a "well regulated militia" was
in their minds. It defines ages, (white men only originally), the
requirement supply and maintain your own musket, powder, ball, knapsack,
etc, all of which were not at government expense.

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On 2/23/2018 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/23/18 2:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 2:11 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid
problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy
access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of
the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our
wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy
availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state
background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have
to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to
another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the
Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target
shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive
out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and
their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100
yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have
happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do
just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical
style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up
weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of
this
country without any background check or waiting period. I
didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the
left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ
Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The
Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing".Â* The military should have
the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for
these mass
shootings more often than not.Â*Â* I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people
but they
do.Â* Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and
available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it
would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.



More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an
awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian
recreational use.Â* It could be the beginning of a more rational
attitude
about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights".Â* I know this
offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15
style
rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and
the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do
a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three.






The 2nd amendment was not for hunting.


Oh yeah.Â* It was for a well regulated militia.Â* If you think that
refers to national defense, I guess we can save a lot of money and do
away with
the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard.

If you interpret that as being a state's right to protect against an
army raised and supported by a tyrannical national government as most
2nd Amendment orientalists (and gun nuts) believe to mean, it really
doesn't matter. If the US Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast
Guard were ever taken over by a tyrannical national government and
turned against the states and the "well regulated militia"Â* I don't
think the fight would last long.




What part of "well-regulated" applies to today's rabble of NRA nutsies
who are not in the armed forces, national guard or police or similar
governmental entities? Even if one accepts the concept of "militia"
loosely, that is, just a body of citizenry, there is no real regulation
of that militia. Even the kids in the Red Dawn movie "regulated"
themselves by training together.


"Regulated" did not have the same meaning then as we understand it to
mean today. That's the root of the controversy.

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:42:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

If the US Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard
were ever taken over by a tyrannical national government and turned
against the states and the "well regulated militia" I don't think the
fight would last long.

===

I believe you're wrong about that. It would end up being a classic
case of asymmetric warfare, and could easily last longer than the war
in Afghanistan, much longer. You can't fight guerilla warfare with
tanks, jets and atomic bonbs. It's also doubtful that the US military
would have much stomach for fighting their brothers, cousins, aunts
and uncles. The big coastal cities where a large percentage of the
population resides are incredibly vulnerable to even minor disruptions
to their infrastructure. All hell would break loose, literally.

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On 2/23/2018 4:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/23/18 2:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 2:11 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid
problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy
access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of
the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our
wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy
availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state
background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have
to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to
another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the
Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target
shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive
out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and
their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100
yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have
happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do
just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical
style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up
weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of
this
country without any background check or waiting period. I
didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the
left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ
Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The
Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing".Â* The military should have
the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for
these mass
shootings more often than not.Â*Â* I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people
but they
do.Â* Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and
available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it
would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.



More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an
awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian
recreational use.Â* It could be the beginning of a more rational
attitude
about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights".Â* I know this
offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15
style
rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and
the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do
a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three.






The 2nd amendment was not for hunting.


Oh yeah.Â* It was for a well regulated militia.Â* If you think that
refers to national defense, I guess we can save a lot of money and do
away with
the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard.

If you interpret that as being a state's right to protect against an
army raised and supported by a tyrannical national government as most
2nd Amendment orientalists (and gun nuts) believe to mean, it really
doesn't matter. If the US Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast
Guard were ever taken over by a tyrannical national government and
turned against the states and the "well regulated militia"Â* I don't
think the fight would last long.




What part of "well-regulated" applies to today's rabble of NRA nutsies
who are not in the armed forces, national guard or police or similar
governmental entities? Even if one accepts the concept of "militia"
loosely, that is, just a body of citizenry, there is no real regulation
of that militia. Even the kids in the Red Dawn movie "regulated"
themselves by training together.


So did Bill Murray and John Candy in "Stripes". :-)

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On 2/23/2018 5:16 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:42:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

If the US Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard
were ever taken over by a tyrannical national government and turned
against the states and the "well regulated militia" I don't think the
fight would last long.

===

I believe you're wrong about that. It would end up being a classic
case of asymmetric warfare, and could easily last longer than the war
in Afghanistan, much longer. You can't fight guerilla warfare with
tanks, jets and atomic bonbs. It's also doubtful that the US military
would have much stomach for fighting their brothers, cousins, aunts
and uncles. The big coastal cities where a large percentage of the
population resides are incredibly vulnerable to even minor disruptions
to their infrastructure. All hell would break loose, literally.


Probably. However, the average gun totting American isn't exactly
experienced guerilla fighters like the seasoned Taliban in Afghanistan.

It's academic anyway. It will never happen. Back when the country was
new and the Constitution was being debated, written and then ratified
there was cause to be concerned mainly due to the British experience.
Not the same today. Hell, today the checks and balances of government
want to impeach a president for having an alleged affair with some bimbo
11 years ago as a private citizen.

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:28:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Hell, today the checks and balances of government
want to impeach a president for having an alleged affair with some bimbo
11 years ago as a private citizen.

===

That's just politics as a blood sport which large numbers of people
seem to enjoy.

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On Friday, 23 February 2018 16:35:11 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:38:18 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of
mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every
long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so
the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.


How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a
major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh
yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in
the street. It is a breakdown of society.

I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to kill things. Get it?

We would expect you to parrot Harry. That's why you get paid. You'd be much better off parroting
Ludite more often. You wouldn't be such an ass.

And you're wrong. The main purpose of my guns is not to kill things. 'Purpose' resides with the
owner, not the implement.

Get it?

BTW, what page of your bowrider manual says not to ride in the bow?

Does it make you feel more important when you call other posters names?