wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 00:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2018 5:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:10:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



I don't read it that way.

He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising
number of deaths in young people is alarming.

"We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner
Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work
harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle."

He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings.

Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think.


Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a
gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in
a bunch of states

Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction
on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We
had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been
dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge
made it mandatory 20 years.


I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a
firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would
qualify. CCW course would qualify.

I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be
more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you
can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety,
how to carry your weapon, how to secure your weapon etc.
The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five
figures for the comprehensive courses.
I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because it in
99% tactical.
I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive. Like most
things government mandated they just tend to be superficial.

It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they
were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones without
hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80
years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but far
from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that.
Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead.



The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an hour on
the range. That's it. Instructors must be NRA certified and that's the
minimum course required for a permit.

My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA before
they moved to SC. I've forgotten how long it was exactly but they went
2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month.


The guys who teach here are usually off duty or former cops. I suppose
that is why it is so heavy on the law.


The one I had was a retired cop. He got his NRA certification and
teaches the course as a part-time retirement job. His course was
sprinkled with many "lawful" suggestions including encounters with
police, what to say and what not to say.




I would like to see a more hunter safety course type training. We had
maybe 8 hours classroom and a 1/2 day at the range.

That may be more than the military gets if you are not in the army or
the marines.


Air Force b@sic we got one day inside with safety and aiming and breaking
down the weapon and a day at the range. If you were going to posted in a
shooting area, they told us we would get lots more training later.

On 2/25/2018 1:00 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 00:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2018 5:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:10:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



I don't read it that way.

He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising
number of deaths in young people is alarming.

"We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner
Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work
harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle."

He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings.

Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think.


Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a
gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in
a bunch of states

Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction
on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We
had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been
dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge
made it mandatory 20 years.


I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a
firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would
qualify. CCW course would qualify.

I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be
more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you
can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety,
how to carry your weapon, how to secure your weapon etc.
The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five
figures for the comprehensive courses.
I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because it in
99% tactical.
I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive. Like most
things government mandated they just tend to be superficial.

It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they
were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones without
hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80
years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but far
from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that.
Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead.



The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an hour on
the range. That's it. Instructors must be NRA certified and that's the
minimum course required for a permit.

My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA before
they moved to SC. I've forgotten how long it was exactly but they went
2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month.


The guys who teach here are usually off duty or former cops. I suppose
that is why it is so heavy on the law.


The one I had was a retired cop. He got his NRA certification and
teaches the course as a part-time retirement job. His course was
sprinkled with many "lawful" suggestions including encounters with
police, what to say and what not to say.




I would like to see a more hunter safety course type training. We had
maybe 8 hours classroom and a 1/2 day at the range.

That may be more than the military gets if you are not in the army or
the marines.


Air Force b@sic we got one day inside with safety and aiming and breaking
down the weapon and a day at the range. If you were going to posted in a
shooting area, they told us we would get lots more training later.



Same with the Navy back in the old days. Those who went on to become
Gunner's Mates received more extensive training later.

The ships I was on often held training and shooting exercises for
everyone on the helicopter deck while at sea. We got to try just about
everything in the small arms locker.

Today's Navy includes more extensive training in firearms even in basic
training.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 06:59:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/25/2018 1:00 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 00:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2018 5:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:10:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



I don't read it that way.

He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising
number of deaths in young people is alarming.

"We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner
Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work
harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle."

He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings.

Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think.


Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a
gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in
a bunch of states

Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction
on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We
had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been
dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge
made it mandatory 20 years.


I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a
firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would
qualify. CCW course would qualify.

I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be
more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you
can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety,
how to carry your weapon, how to secure your weapon etc.
The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five
figures for the comprehensive courses.
I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because it in
99% tactical.
I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive. Like most
things government mandated they just tend to be superficial.

It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they
were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones without
hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80
years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but far
from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that.
Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead.



The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an hour on
the range. That's it. Instructors must be NRA certified and that's the
minimum course required for a permit.

My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA before
they moved to SC. I've forgotten how long it was exactly but they went
2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month.


The guys who teach here are usually off duty or former cops. I suppose
that is why it is so heavy on the law.


The one I had was a retired cop. He got his NRA certification and
teaches the course as a part-time retirement job. His course was
sprinkled with many "lawful" suggestions including encounters with
police, what to say and what not to say.




I would like to see a more hunter safety course type training. We had
maybe 8 hours classroom and a 1/2 day at the range.

That may be more than the military gets if you are not in the army or
the marines.


Air Force b@sic we got one day inside with safety and aiming and breaking
down the weapon and a day at the range. If you were going to posted in a
shooting area, they told us we would get lots more training later.



Same with the Navy back in the old days. Those who went on to become
Gunner's Mates received more extensive training later.

The ships I was on often held training and shooting exercises for
everyone on the helicopter deck while at sea. We got to try just about
everything in the small arms locker.

Today's Navy includes more extensive training in firearms even in basic
training.

We spent a lot of time in the classroom and a lot of time on the range. The range was a several mile
walk from the barracks, so we did get our exercise. This was at Fort Leonard Wood, MO.

On 2/25/18 6:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/25/2018 1:00 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 00:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2018 5:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:10:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



I don't read it that way.

He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the
rising
number of deaths in young people is alarming.

"We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns,"
Commissioner
Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we
have to work
harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle."

He also states that half of the incidents are gang related
shootings.

Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't
think.


Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and
do not have a
gun safety certificate.Â*Â* Need a certificate as a minor to
drive a boat in
a bunch of states

Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the
conviction
on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so
tho. We
had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might
have been
dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun
charge
made it mandatory 20 years.


I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being
able to buy a
firearm.Â*Â* Military service would qualify.Â*Â* Hunter safety
course would
qualify.Â*Â* CCW course would qualify.

I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be
more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you
can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety,
how to carry your weapon,Â* how to secure your weapon etc.
The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five
figures for the comprehensive courses.
I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because
it in
99% tactical.
I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive.
Like most
things government mandated they just tend to be superficial.

It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they
were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones
without
hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80
years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but
far
from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that.
Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead.



The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an
hour on
the range.Â* That's it.Â* Instructors must be NRA certified and
that's the
minimum course required for a permit.

My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA
before
they moved to SC.Â* I've forgotten how long it was exactly but
they went
2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month.


The guys who teach here are usually off duty or former cops. I
suppose
that is why it is so heavy on the law.


The one I had was a retired cop.Â* He got his NRA certification and
teaches the course as a part-time retirement job.Â* His course was
sprinkled with many "lawful" suggestions including encounters with
police, what to say and what not to say.




I would like to see a more hunter safety course type training.Â*Â* We had
maybe 8 hours classroom and a 1/2 day at the range.

That may be more than the military gets if you are not in the army or
the marines.


Air Force b@sic we got one day inside with safety and aiming and breaking
down the weapon and a day at the range.Â* If you were going to posted in a
shooting area, they told us we would get lots more training later.



Same with the Navy back in the old days. Those who went on to become
Gunner's Mates received more extensive training later.

The ships I was on often held training and shooting exercises for
everyone on the helicopter deck while at sea.Â* We got to try just about
everything in the small arms locker.

Today's Navy includes more extensive training in firearms evenÂ* in basic
training.


How extensive?

On 2/25/2018 10:58 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/18 6:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/25/2018 1:00 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 00:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2018 5:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:10:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



I don't read it that way.

He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the
rising
number of deaths in young people is alarming.

"We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns,"
Commissioner
Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we
have to work
harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle."

He also states that half of the incidents are gang related
shootings.

Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I
don't think.


Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and
do not have a
gun safety certificate.Â*Â* Need a certificate as a minor to
drive a boat in
a bunch of states

Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the
conviction
on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so
tho. We
had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might
have been
dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun
charge
made it mandatory 20 years.


I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being
able to buy a
firearm.Â*Â* Military service would qualify.Â*Â* Hunter safety
course would
qualify.Â*Â* CCW course would qualify.

I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be
more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you
can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm
safety,
how to carry your weapon,Â* how to secure your weapon etc.
The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five
figures for the comprehensive courses.
I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because
it in
99% tactical.
I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive.
Like most
things government mandated they just tend to be superficial.

It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when
they
were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones
without
hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80
years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test
but far
from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck
that.
Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead.



The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an
hour on
the range.Â* That's it.Â* Instructors must be NRA certified and
that's the
minimum course required for a permit.

My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA
before
they moved to SC.Â* I've forgotten how long it was exactly but
they went
2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month.


The guys who teach here are usually off duty or former cops. I
suppose
that is why it is so heavy on the law.


The one I had was a retired cop.Â* He got his NRA certification and
teaches the course as a part-time retirement job.Â* His course was
sprinkled with many "lawful" suggestions including encounters with
police, what to say and what not to say.




I would like to see a more hunter safety course type training.Â*Â* We
had
maybe 8 hours classroom and a 1/2 day at the range.

That may be more than the military gets if you are not in the army or
the marines.


Air Force b@sic we got one day inside with safety and aiming and
breaking
down the weapon and a day at the range.Â* If you were going to posted
in a
shooting area, they told us we would get lots more training later.



Same with the Navy back in the old days. Those who went on to become
Gunner's Mates received more extensive training later.

The ships I was on often held training and shooting exercises for
everyone on the helicopter deck while at sea.Â* We got to try just
about everything in the small arms locker.

Today's Navy includes more extensive training in firearms evenÂ* in
basic training.


How extensive?


Certainly not as extensive as the Marines or Army recruits but more than
I experienced back in 1968. Navy recruits today must qualify with a 9mm
(Glock) and a shotgun, although according to my son and son-in-law they
also used a M4.

https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/navy-weapons-qualification-course.html

On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 11:14:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/25/2018 10:58 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:

Today's Navy includes more extensive training in firearms evenÂ* in
basic training.


How extensive?


Certainly not as extensive as the Marines or Army recruits but more than
I experienced back in 1968. Navy recruits today must qualify with a 9mm
(Glock) and a shotgun, although according to my son and son-in-law they
also used a M4.

https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/navy-weapons-qualification-course.html

All of the Coasties I see on the water are carrying a sidearm and you
have to qualify to do that.

On 2/25/2018 1:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 11:14:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/25/2018 10:58 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:

Today's Navy includes more extensive training in firearms evenÂ* in
basic training.


How extensive?


Certainly not as extensive as the Marines or Army recruits but more than
I experienced back in 1968. Navy recruits today must qualify with a 9mm
(Glock) and a shotgun, although according to my son and son-in-law they
also used a M4.

https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/navy-weapons-qualification-course.html

All of the Coasties I see on the water are carrying a sidearm and you
have to qualify to do that.



My grandson recently passed his qualifications for boarding team member.
The qualification process is more than just being issued a Glock with
authorization to carry it. It's more like attending a police academy,
learning all the pertinent laws and rights of those boarded.

He's currently underway on his cutter doing drug intervention patrols.
Just left GTMO and a liberty call in San Juan. Should be back home in
April sometime. Looking forward to hearing of his adventures.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 13:42:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/25/2018 1:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 11:14:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/25/2018 10:58 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:

Today's Navy includes more extensive training in firearms evenÂ* in
basic training.


How extensive?


Certainly not as extensive as the Marines or Army recruits but more than
I experienced back in 1968. Navy recruits today must qualify with a 9mm
(Glock) and a shotgun, although according to my son and son-in-law they
also used a M4.

https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/navy-weapons-qualification-course.html

All of the Coasties I see on the water are carrying a sidearm and you
have to qualify to do that.



My grandson recently passed his qualifications for boarding team member.
The qualification process is more than just being issued a Glock with
authorization to carry it. It's more like attending a police academy,
learning all the pertinent laws and rights of those boarded.

He's currently underway on his cutter doing drug intervention patrols.
Just left GTMO and a liberty call in San Juan. Should be back home in
April sometime. Looking forward to hearing of his adventures.

Yeah those guys doing drug interdiction are hard core. I have dealt
with both. The guys who ride along with the sheriff on holiday patrols
(BUI and life jackets) wear a side arm. The night the guys in the RIB
rolled up on us in the dark they had 1 guy with an M16, a guy with a
shotgun, a guy on the M60 and the coxswain with a sidearm.
They started feeling pretty silly when it was two 60 year old guys, on
the "Butt Ugly" with a little black dog. They tried to say we couldn't
have come from where we said we did but then decided they were done
with us after a wet Dachshund mix had boarded them and was "marking"
all of their stuff. They threw the dog back on my boat and said we
could go. They followed us for a while until we disappeared into that
place we could not have come from.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 06:59:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/25/2018 1:00 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 00:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2018 5:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:10:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



I don't read it that way.

He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising
number of deaths in young people is alarming.

"We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner
Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work
harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle."

He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings.

Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think.


Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a
gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in
a bunch of states

Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction
on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We
had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been
dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge
made it mandatory 20 years.


I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a
firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would
qualify. CCW course would qualify.

I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be
more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you
can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety,
how to carry your weapon, how to secure your weapon etc.
The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five
figures for the comprehensive courses.
I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because it in
99% tactical.
I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive. Like most
things government mandated they just tend to be superficial.

It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they
were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones without
hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80
years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but far
from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that.
Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead.



The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an hour on
the range. That's it. Instructors must be NRA certified and that's the
minimum course required for a permit.

My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA before
they moved to SC. I've forgotten how long it was exactly but they went
2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month.


The guys who teach here are usually off duty or former cops. I suppose
that is why it is so heavy on the law.


The one I had was a retired cop. He got his NRA certification and
teaches the course as a part-time retirement job. His course was
sprinkled with many "lawful" suggestions including encounters with
police, what to say and what not to say.




I would like to see a more hunter safety course type training. We had
maybe 8 hours classroom and a 1/2 day at the range.

That may be more than the military gets if you are not in the army or
the marines.


Air Force b@sic we got one day inside with safety and aiming and breaking
down the weapon and a day at the range. If you were going to posted in a
shooting area, they told us we would get lots more training later.



Same with the Navy back in the old days. Those who went on to become
Gunner's Mates received more extensive training later.

The ships I was on often held training and shooting exercises for
everyone on the helicopter deck while at sea. We got to try just about
everything in the small arms locker.

Today's Navy includes more extensive training in firearms even in basic
training.

Yup, the same is true in the CG. In boot camp we had a day or two at
the range but most of it was standing around because they only had
about 8-10 guys with live rifles at a time. We got a quick "this is
the 1911" thing but nobody shot one. It wasn't until I got on a ship
and lived with the gunner's mates that I got any real small arms
training. I spent a lot of time in the armory, learning how to take
them apart and put them back together with the GM3 on board.
He had to know, I just wanted to know. We raced putting the various
weapons together in "cave dark" situations. (close the door and it
really gets dark in an interior compartment). We could both put a M2
together and head space it in the dark in a couple minutes. We had a
1911 down to less than a minute starting with the parts in a box in
field strip condition.

On 2/25/2018 12:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 06:59:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/25/2018 1:00 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 00:40:44 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2018 5:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:10:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



I don't read it that way.

He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising
number of deaths in young people is alarming.

"We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner
Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work
harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle."

He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings.

Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think.


Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a
gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in
a bunch of states

Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction
on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We
had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been
dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge
made it mandatory 20 years.


I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a
firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would
qualify. CCW course would qualify.

I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be
more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you
can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety,
how to carry your weapon, how to secure your weapon etc.
The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five
figures for the comprehensive courses.
I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because it in
99% tactical.
I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive. Like most
things government mandated they just tend to be superficial.

It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they
were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones without
hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80
years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but far
from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that.
Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead.



The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an hour on
the range. That's it. Instructors must be NRA certified and that's the
minimum course required for a permit.

My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA before
they moved to SC. I've forgotten how long it was exactly but they went
2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month.


The guys who teach here are usually off duty or former cops. I suppose
that is why it is so heavy on the law.


The one I had was a retired cop. He got his NRA certification and
teaches the course as a part-time retirement job. His course was
sprinkled with many "lawful" suggestions including encounters with
police, what to say and what not to say.




I would like to see a more hunter safety course type training. We had
maybe 8 hours classroom and a 1/2 day at the range.

That may be more than the military gets if you are not in the army or
the marines.


Air Force b@sic we got one day inside with safety and aiming and breaking
down the weapon and a day at the range. If you were going to posted in a
shooting area, they told us we would get lots more training later.



Same with the Navy back in the old days. Those who went on to become
Gunner's Mates received more extensive training later.

The ships I was on often held training and shooting exercises for
everyone on the helicopter deck while at sea. We got to try just about
everything in the small arms locker.

Today's Navy includes more extensive training in firearms even in basic
training.

Yup, the same is true in the CG. In boot camp we had a day or two at
the range but most of it was standing around because they only had
about 8-10 guys with live rifles at a time. We got a quick "this is
the 1911" thing but nobody shot one. It wasn't until I got on a ship
and lived with the gunner's mates that I got any real small arms
training. I spent a lot of time in the armory, learning how to take
them apart and put them back together with the GM3 on board.
He had to know, I just wanted to know. We raced putting the various
weapons together in "cave dark" situations. (close the door and it
really gets dark in an interior compartment). We could both put a M2
together and head space it in the dark in a couple minutes. We had a
1911 down to less than a minute starting with the parts in a box in
field strip condition.



We did a little more with the 1911s. We actually had to "qualify" by
firing them at the range. Wasn't very difficult. I think it was more
to introduce everyone without any handgun experience to safety issues.