On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



I don't read it that way.

He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising
number of deaths in young people is alarming.

"We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner
Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work
harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle."

He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings.

Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think.


Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a
gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in
a bunch of states

Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction
on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We
had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been
dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge
made it mandatory 20 years.

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



I don't read it that way.

He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising
number of deaths in young people is alarming.

"We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner
Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work
harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle."

He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings.

Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think.


Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a
gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in
a bunch of states

Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction
on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We
had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been
dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge
made it mandatory 20 years.


I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a
firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would
qualify. CCW course would qualify.

On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



I don't read it that way.

He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising
number of deaths in young people is alarming.

"We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner
Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work
harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle."

He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings.

Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think.


Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a
gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in
a bunch of states

Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction
on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We
had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been
dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge
made it mandatory 20 years.


I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a
firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would
qualify. CCW course would qualify.

That wouldn't bother me a bit. Twenty-one years old and gun safety course for a mil-style firearm.
And, a voter ID!

On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



I don't read it that way.

He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising
number of deaths in young people is alarming.

"We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner
Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work
harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle."

He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings.

Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think.


Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a
gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in
a bunch of states

Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction
on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We
had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been
dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge
made it mandatory 20 years.


I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a
firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would
qualify. CCW course would qualify.

I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be
more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you
can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety,
how to carry your weapon, how to secure your weapon etc.
The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five
figures for the comprehensive courses.
I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because it in
99% tactical.
I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive. Like most
things government mandated they just tend to be superficial.

It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they
were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones without
hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80
years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but far
from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that.
Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead.

On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



I don't read it that way.

He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising
number of deaths in young people is alarming.

"We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner
Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work
harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle."

He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings.

Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think.


Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a
gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in
a bunch of states

Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction
on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We
had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been
dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge
made it mandatory 20 years.


I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a
firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would
qualify. CCW course would qualify.

I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be
more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you
can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety,
how to carry your weapon, how to secure your weapon etc.
The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five
figures for the comprehensive courses.
I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because it in
99% tactical.
I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive. Like most
things government mandated they just tend to be superficial.

It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they
were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones without
hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80
years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but far
from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that.
Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead.



The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an hour on
the range. That's it. Instructors must be NRA certified and that's the
minimum course required for a permit.

My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA before
they moved to SC. I've forgotten how long it was exactly but they went
2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month.

On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:10:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



I don't read it that way.

He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising
number of deaths in young people is alarming.

"We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner
Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work
harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle."

He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings.

Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think.


Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a
gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in
a bunch of states

Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction
on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We
had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been
dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge
made it mandatory 20 years.


I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a
firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would
qualify. CCW course would qualify.

I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be
more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you
can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety,
how to carry your weapon, how to secure your weapon etc.
The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five
figures for the comprehensive courses.
I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because it in
99% tactical.
I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive. Like most
things government mandated they just tend to be superficial.

It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they
were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones without
hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80
years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but far
from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that.
Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead.



The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an hour on
the range. That's it. Instructors must be NRA certified and that's the
minimum course required for a permit.

My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA before
they moved to SC. I've forgotten how long it was exactly but they went
2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month.

The guys who teach here are usually off duty or former cops. I suppose
that is why it is so heavy on the law.

On 2/24/2018 5:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:10:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



I don't read it that way.

He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising
number of deaths in young people is alarming.

"We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner
Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work
harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle."

He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings.

Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think.


Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a
gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in
a bunch of states

Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction
on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We
had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been
dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge
made it mandatory 20 years.


I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a
firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would
qualify. CCW course would qualify.

I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be
more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you
can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety,
how to carry your weapon, how to secure your weapon etc.
The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five
figures for the comprehensive courses.
I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because it in
99% tactical.
I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive. Like most
things government mandated they just tend to be superficial.

It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they
were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones without
hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80
years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but far
from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that.
Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead.



The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an hour on
the range. That's it. Instructors must be NRA certified and that's the
minimum course required for a permit.

My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA before
they moved to SC. I've forgotten how long it was exactly but they went
2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month.


The guys who teach here are usually off duty or former cops. I suppose
that is why it is so heavy on the law.


The one I had was a retired cop. He got his NRA certification and
teaches the course as a part-time retirement job. His course was
sprinkled with many "lawful" suggestions including encounters with
police, what to say and what not to say.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2018 5:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:10:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/24/2018 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 17:50:25 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 03:22:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



I don't read it that way.

He states that although violent crime is down 7 percent the rising
number of deaths in young people is alarming.

"We're seeing kids younger and younger with handguns," Commissioner
Evans said. "They're shooting at each other, that's why we have to work
harder to keep those kids out of that lifestyle."

He also states that half of the incidents are gang related shootings.

Not too many gang members legally purchase firearms, I don't think.


Maybe you get an extra 3 years if caught with a firearm and do not have a
gun safety certificate. Need a certificate as a minor to drive a boat in
a bunch of states

Most of the time the gun charges get dealt away to get the conviction
on the more serious charge. In Florida that is not always so tho. We
had a woman here charged with aggravated assault that might have been
dealt away with a couple years or even probation but the gun charge
made it mandatory 20 years.


I am saying you need to pass a gun safety course before being able to buy a
firearm. Military service would qualify. Hunter safety course would
qualify. CCW course would qualify.

I am all for training but what training? In Florida it seems to be
more legal than practical. They spend most of the time telling you
can't really shoot anyone and then talk about basic firearm safety,
how to carry your weapon, how to secure your weapon etc.
The other extreme would be going to Gunsite but that is up in five
figures for the comprehensive courses.
I am afraid the lefties would call that "murder school" because it in
99% tactical.
I would certainly agree CCW courses could be more extensive. Like most
things government mandated they just tend to be superficial.

It is like when people tell me drivers are "tested". Yeah when they
were 16 they demonstrated they could drive around some cones without
hitting any and parallel park. From then on for the next 60 to 80
years it is just send in a check. Some states do an eye test but far
from all and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that.
Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead.



The permit course I took was only 4 hours of instruction and an hour on
the range. That's it. Instructors must be NRA certified and that's the
minimum course required for a permit.

My son and his wife took a much more extensive course here in MA before
they moved to SC. I've forgotten how long it was exactly but they went
2 or 3 evenings a week for over a month.


The guys who teach here are usually off duty or former cops. I suppose
that is why it is so heavy on the law.


The one I had was a retired cop. He got his NRA certification and
teaches the course as a part-time retirement job. His course was
sprinkled with many "lawful" suggestions including encounters with
police, what to say and what not to say.




I would like to see a more hunter safety course type training. We had
maybe 8 hours classroom and a 1/2 day at the range.

On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 15:55:49 -0500, wrote:

Some states do an eye test but far
from all, and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that.

Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead.

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Judging from some of the drivers on the road this time of year, I'd
guess that it is not uncommon.

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On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:32:35 -0500,
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 15:55:49 -0500, wrote:

Some states do an eye test but far
from all, and if your eye doctor gives you a note you can duck that.

Florida renewed my mom's license and she was dead.

===

Judging from some of the drivers on the road this time of year, I'd
guess that it is not uncommon.

My FIL is 89, damn near 90 and he is still out there in a new
Cadillac. He did back down from the Northstar but it is still a pretty
peppy boat. I think it is 268 HP Turbo 2 liter.