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The FBI says proper protocol was not followed in following up on a tip about Nikolas Cruz, the suspect in the mass shooting at a South Florida high school on Wednesday that left 17 people dead. A law enforcement source told ABC News that investigators believe approximately 150 shots were fired in the incident. A person close to Cruz called an FBI tip line on Jan. 5 with information about Cruz's desire to kill people, erratic behavior, disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting, according to an FBI statement. “We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami field office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time,” the FBI said in a statement Friday. |
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On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:41:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: The FBI says proper protocol was not followed in following up on a tip about Nikolas Cruz, the suspect in the mass shooting at a South Florida high school on Wednesday that left 17 people dead. A law enforcement source told ABC News that investigators believe approximately 150 shots were fired in the incident. A person close to Cruz called an FBI tip line on Jan. 5 with information about Cruz's desire to kill people, erratic behavior, disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting, according to an FBI statement. We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami field office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time, the FBI said in a statement Friday. === Something seems to be seriously wrong at the FBI. J. Edgar must be rolling over in his grave. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On 2/17/2018 3:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:45:33 -0500, Alex wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/16/2018 6:09 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:41:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The FBI says proper protocol was not followed in following up on a tip about Nikolas Cruz, the suspect in the mass shooting at a South Florida high school on Wednesday that left 17 people dead. A law enforcement source told ABC News that investigators believe approximately 150 shots were fired in the incident. A person close to Cruz called an FBI tip line on Jan. 5 with information about Cruz's desire to kill people, erratic behavior, disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting, according to an FBI statement. “We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami field office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time,” the FBI said in a statement Friday. === Something seems to be seriously wrong at the FBI. J. Edgar must be rolling over in his grave. The tip of Jan 5th was very specific and detailed compared to the one by the YouTube blogger last September. Had they followed up per protocol it's very likely the shootings on Wednesday would have been prevented. Sad. The lawsuits will follow - and they should. It is really hard to sue the FBI but if that guy who called in the You Tube post also hit the notify button on that post for Google, they might get sued by the victim's family for not turning over everything they had to the FBI. If they did turn over the information on Cruz, it is just one more nail in the coffin of another FBI director and one more lie from the keystone cops. Rick Scott is already calling for his resignation. Don't confuse the tip by the YouTube blogger last September with the more recent tip on January 5th by someone who knows Cruz, is aware of his gun collection and threats to kill people including a school shooting. Not following up on this tip likely resulted in the killings on Wednesday. Heads should roll in the FBI. |
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- show quoted text - Prayers and thoughts are empty gestures against gun violence. Even your jesus was not able to pray himself out of the violence being killed, if you happen to believe that tale. —— really limp defense Harry. And you’ve said you’ve read the Bible? Maybe just to glean what you call hate from it. But that’s ok.i know this is way to simple for an intellect like you, but crucifixition was in His destiny. Luke 22:42, John 12:27-36, 1 Timothy 2:6, Galatians 1:4. And more |
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Ridicule us all you want harry. It only makes you look even smaller than life, but here goes... an excerpt from a close Facebook friend of mine:
Thoughts and Prayers... I’ve said this to my friends and family during times of hardship and requested it during my own struggles, and now as in other times of national tragedy I see the post rejecting Thoughts and Prayers, so let me define what that means to me and what I hope it means to other people of faith. Thoughts- reflection, I think about the person in need, the victims, the effect on the people left to try and make sense of something that doesn’t make sense. I think of my place in it all, am I part of the problem?, am I a hero or a villain?, what can I do better? Prayers- I pray to the creator as Father who cry’s with us, to comfort and heal. I pray to a Powerful God to intervene, to move in me and convict my heart and push me into action. I pray for wisdom in what to say, and how to act in a way that is real and sometimes scary, past the worn out comfortable speak of tired talking points and into the realm of change and creation and love. Finally I pray that Not just myself but others are called into action, because love is not stagnant, love takes action, love MOVES! So If I say thoughts and prayers, PLEASE, Please please understand what I am saying. |
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On 2/17/18 6:44 PM, Tim wrote:
Ridicule us all you want harry. It only makes you look even smaller than life, but here goes... an excerpt from a close Facebook friend of mine: Thoughts and Prayers... I’ve said this to my friends and family during times of hardship and requested it during my own struggles, and now as in other times of national tragedy I see the post rejecting Thoughts and Prayers, so let me define what that means to me and what I hope it means to other people of faith. Thoughts- reflection, I think about the person in need, the victims, the effect on the people left to try and make sense of something that doesn’t make sense. I think of my place in it all, am I part of the problem?, am I a hero or a villain?, what can I do better? Prayers- I pray to the creator as Father who cry’s with us, to comfort and heal. I pray to a Powerful God to intervene, to move in me and convict my heart and push me into action. I pray for wisdom in what to say, and how to act in a way that is real and sometimes scary, past the worn out comfortable speak of tired talking points and into the realm of change and creation and love. Finally I pray that Not just myself but others are called into action, because love is not stagnant, love takes action, love MOVES! So If I say thoughts and prayers, PLEASE, Please please understand what I am saying. That's wonderful, but it does nothing for the dead and nothing for the kids getting shot at school. As for god, well, so long as little kids are dying of dtead diseases, bullets, and beatings, I'll wonder why anyone believes. |
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- show quoted text - That's wonderful, but it does nothing for the dead and nothing for the kids getting shot at school. As for god, well, so long as little kids are dying of dtead diseases, bullets, and beatings, I'll wonder why anyone believes. ...... It’s a personal act to bolster strength guidance peace and hope for those who practice it. I don’t expect you to understand. |
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On 2/17/18 7:59 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze - show quoted text - That's wonderful, but it does nothing for the dead and nothing for the kids getting shot at school. As for god, well, so long as little kids are dying of dtead diseases, bullets, and beatings, I'll wonder why anyone believes. ..... It’s a personal act to bolster strength guidance peace and hope for those who practice it. I don’t expect you to understand. Oh, I understand a lot more about religion than you would expect. |
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:41:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 2/17/18 6:44 PM, Tim wrote: Ridicule us all you want harry. It only makes you look even smaller than life, but here goes... an excerpt from a close Facebook friend of mine: Thoughts and Prayers... I’ve said this to my friends and family during times of hardship and requested it during my own struggles, and now as in other times of national tragedy I see the post rejecting Thoughts and Prayers, so let me define what that means to me and what I hope it means to other people of faith. Thoughts- reflection, I think about the person in need, the victims, the effect on the people left to try and make sense of something that doesn’t make sense. I think of my place in it all, am I part of the problem?, am I a hero or a villain?, what can I do better? Prayers- I pray to the creator as Father who cry’s with us, to comfort and heal. I pray to a Powerful God to intervene, to move in me and convict my heart and push me into action. I pray for wisdom in what to say, and how to act in a way that is real and sometimes scary, past the worn out comfortable speak of tired talking points and into the realm of change and creation and love. Finally I pray that Not just myself but others are called into action, because love is not stagnant, love takes action, love MOVES! So If I say thoughts and prayers, PLEASE, Please please understand what I am saying. That's wonderful, but it does nothing for the dead and nothing for the kids getting shot at school. As for god, well, so long as little kids are dying of dtead diseases, bullets, and beatings, I'll wonder why anyone believes. Sending Al Gore money to buy carbon credits is about as effective at stopping global warming as sending Jim and Tammy money to buy shares of Heritage USA to save your soul but the faithful still believed. The difference is Jim and Tammy went to jail and Fat Albert is sitting in an energy gobbling mansion in Tennessee cashing those energy credit checks. People still believe him. |
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On 2/18/2018 9:36 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
I don't have "religion" in my heritage. My father had absolutely no use for religion or the religious, and my mother, though she was a republican until Reagan was elected, never mentioned religion or attended a religious service other than a funeral, and those tended to be of every denomination. In fact, as my decrepitude takes over, I find myself attending a few funeral services every year. I can tolerate the religious aspects of those ceremonies. How very kind of you. |
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On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:21:11 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 2/17/18 10:04 PM, wrote: Thoughts and prayers do nothing for the dead and they'll do nothing to protect kids in schools. Unlike you, though, I think we can take steps to begin to mitigate the number of gun-related mass murder in our schools, theaters, churches, malls, office buildings. I guess I'll never be a do-nothing-about-anything libertarian. You still have not said what it would be that does this magic thing. Sandy Hook happened in a state with fairly strict gun control and the kid who murdered his whole family happened in a state that has about the strictest laws in the country (NJ). The states with the loosest laws tend to have the least number of gun crimes and that is really true if they are really white. That is not racist, it is just statistics. The outlier are these school and work place shootings but they are also a very small fraction of the overall murders. They just get the most attention because most of the victims are white. That may be racist. Nobody seems to care about dead black kids, including and perhaps especially you. If you did you would not be jerking yourself off over how effective Maryland's gun laws are. 347 last year in Baltimore alone. I don't recall ever claiming that Maryland's gun laws were effective. Is this another of your fantasies about what you think I think? Maryland's gun laws are a minor inconvenience to legitimate purchasers. So you admit they are only an inconvenience to legitimate purchasers and are not effective in preventing gun murders. Now we are getting somewhere. I would rather be ruled by "do-nothing-about-anything libertarians" than by "do anything even if it is ineffective and inconvenient for legitimate purchasers" democrats. I also disagree that being banned arbitrarily from buying some guns is a minor inconvenience. Especially when the logic behind banned and not banned guns make no sense. It also makes no sense that I can't buy some accessories in Maryland but it is perfectly legal to drive across the bridge, buy all I want and legally bring them home. That is more than a minor inconvenience too. |
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On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 15:27:26 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: You do seem to give Jews and Muslims a pass but Christians bring out the vitriol in you. In this country, I don't see much from jews, muslims, buddhists, sikhs, et cetera, aimed at people with different or no religious beliefs. Nothing from the Muslims? Did you miss the WTC thing, twice? Boston Marathon? Ft Hood? Pulse Night Club? The Palestinians would disagree about the Jews too. |
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On 2/18/18 8:47 PM, wrote: On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 15:27:26 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: You do seem to give Jews and Muslims a pass but Christians bring out the vitriol in you. In this country, I don't see much from jews, muslims, buddhists, sikhs, et cetera, aimed at people with different or no religious beliefs. Nothing from the Muslims? Did you miss the WTC thing, twice? Boston Marathon? Ft Hood? Pulse Night Club? The Palestinians would disagree about the Jews too. I was referring to attempts to influence lawmakers at national, state, or local levels. If I wanted to isolate out perpetrators of violent incidents, I would have mentioned christian white males. The Muslims have tried for sharia law in some local jurisdictions. |
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On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:05:07 PM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/18/18 8:47 PM, wrote: On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 15:27:26 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: You do seem to give Jews and Muslims a pass but Christians bring out the vitriol in you. In this country, I don't see much from jews, muslims, buddhists, sikhs, et cetera, aimed at people with different or no religious beliefs. Nothing from the Muslims? Did you miss the WTC thing, twice? Boston Marathon? Ft Hood? Pulse Night Club? The Palestinians would disagree about the Jews too. I was referring to attempts to influence lawmakers at national, state, or local levels. If I wanted to isolate out perpetrators of violent incidents, I would have mentioned christian white males. Of course you would but Muslims do influence governments with violence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_M...train_bombings |
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On 2/19/18 1:00 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:05:07 PM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/18/18 8:47 PM, wrote: On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 15:27:26 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: You do seem to give Jews and Muslims a pass but Christians bring out the vitriol in you. In this country, I don't see much from jews, muslims, buddhists, sikhs, et cetera, aimed at people with different or no religious beliefs. Nothing from the Muslims? Did you miss the WTC thing, twice? Boston Marathon? Ft Hood? Pulse Night Club? The Palestinians would disagree about the Jews too. I was referring to attempts to influence lawmakers at national, state, or local levels. If I wanted to isolate out perpetrators of violent incidents, I would have mentioned christian white males. Of course you would but Muslims do influence governments with violence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_M...train_bombings I suppose I'll have to work harder to write at an even lower grade level so you righties aren't confused. "In this country," (meaning the United States) "...referring to attempts to influence lawmakers at national, state, or local levels." That excludes Madrid, Timmy. |
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On 2/19/18 12:24 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/18/18 8:47 PM, wrote: On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 15:27:26 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: You do seem to give Jews and Muslims a pass but Christians bring out the vitriol in you. In this country, I don't see much from jews, muslims, buddhists, sikhs, et cetera, aimed at people with different or no religious beliefs. Nothing from the Muslims? Did you miss the WTC thing, twice? Boston Marathon? Ft Hood? Pulse Night Club? The Palestinians would disagree about the Jews too. I was referring to attempts to influence lawmakers at national, state, or local levels. If I wanted to isolate out perpetrators of violent incidents, I would have mentioned christian white males. The Muslims have tried for sharia law in some local jurisdictions. We have a moslem library and mosque across the street from our community hospital, and a sizeable number of moslem doctors and other professionals living and working in our county. The family that developed the 13 lots in our little subdivision is egyptian, and the patriarch is a now-retired egyptian physician who was head of medicine at that hospital. He has a number of fruit trees on his land that attract deer, and he's posted no hunting signs. My kind of guy. So far, not an inkling of sharia law here. Perhaps you can name some locales in the united states where sharia law is on the books. |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/19/18 12:24 AM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/18/18 8:47 PM, wrote: On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 15:27:26 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: You do seem to give Jews and Muslims a pass but Christians bring out the vitriol in you. In this country, I don't see much from jews, muslims, buddhists, sikhs, et cetera, aimed at people with different or no religious beliefs. Nothing from the Muslims? Did you miss the WTC thing, twice? Boston Marathon? Ft Hood? Pulse Night Club? The Palestinians would disagree about the Jews too. I was referring to attempts to influence lawmakers at national, state, or local levels. If I wanted to isolate out perpetrators of violent incidents, I would have mentioned christian white males. The Muslims have tried for sharia law in some local jurisdictions. We have a moslem library and mosque across the street from our community hospital, and a sizeable number of moslem doctors and other professionals living and working in our county. The family that developed the 13 lots in our little subdivision is egyptian, and the patriarch is a now-retired egyptian physician who was head of medicine at that hospital. He has a number of fruit trees on his land that attract deer, and he's posted no hunting signs. My kind of guy. So far, not an inkling of sharia law here. Perhaps you can name some locales in the united states where sharia law is on the books. Not what you stated. You said they did not try to implement such as Sharia law. But there have been attempts right here in Riverside. And the USA. You can google. |
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- show quoted text - We have a moslem library and mosque across the street from our community hospital, and a sizeable number of moslem doctors and other professionals living and working in our county. ..... https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-di...lim-and-Moslim “”Here, there's a difference. Its Muslims,not Moslems ,even if Moslems might not have a meaning,its better to just call them Muslims as its the name specifically picked by a higher deity.” |
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On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 21:05:04 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 2/18/18 8:47 PM, wrote: On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 15:27:26 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: You do seem to give Jews and Muslims a pass but Christians bring out the vitriol in you. In this country, I don't see much from jews, muslims, buddhists, sikhs, et cetera, aimed at people with different or no religious beliefs. Nothing from the Muslims? Did you miss the WTC thing, twice? Boston Marathon? Ft Hood? Pulse Night Club? The Palestinians would disagree about the Jews too. I was referring to attempts to influence lawmakers at national, state, or local levels. If I wanted to isolate out perpetrators of violent incidents, I would have mentioned christian white males. If that is your only criteria then how about the Jews and Christians in this country who drive our middle east policy? Virtually all of the islamic attacks in the US can be traced back to that. |
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On 2/19/18 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 21:05:04 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/18/18 8:47 PM, wrote: On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 15:27:26 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: You do seem to give Jews and Muslims a pass but Christians bring out the vitriol in you. In this country, I don't see much from jews, muslims, buddhists, sikhs, et cetera, aimed at people with different or no religious beliefs. Nothing from the Muslims? Did you miss the WTC thing, twice? Boston Marathon? Ft Hood? Pulse Night Club? The Palestinians would disagree about the Jews too. I was referring to attempts to influence lawmakers at national, state, or local levels. If I wanted to isolate out perpetrators of violent incidents, I would have mentioned christian white males. If that is your only criteria then how about the Jews and Christians in this country who drive our middle east policy? Virtually all of the islamic attacks in the US can be traced back to that. Sorry, I'm not interested in Republican Libertarian politics aimed at isolationism and saving you fellas a couple of bucks. We all know principles ain't involved in Libertarianism. |
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On 2/19/2018 1:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/19/18 11:51 AM, wrote: On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 21:05:04 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/18/18 8:47 PM, wrote: On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 15:27:26 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: You do seem to give Jews and Muslims a pass but Christians bring out the vitriol in you. In this country, I don't see much from jews, muslims, buddhists, sikhs, et cetera, aimed at people with different or no religious beliefs. Nothing from the Muslims? Did you miss the WTC thing, twice? Boston Marathon? Ft Hood? Pulse Night Club? The Palestinians would disagree about the Jews too. I was referring to attempts to influence lawmakers at national, state, or local levels. If I wanted to isolate out perpetrators of violent incidents, I would have mentioned christian white males. If that is your only criteria then how about the Jews and Christians in this country who drive our middle east policy? Virtually all of the islamic attacks in the US can be traced back to that. Sorry, I'm not interested in Republican Libertarian politics aimed at isolationism and saving you fellas a couple of bucks. We all know principles ain't involved in Libertarianism. "We all know" ? |
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On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:24:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/19/2018 1:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/19/18 11:51 AM, wrote: On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 21:05:04 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/18/18 8:47 PM, wrote: On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 15:27:26 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: You do seem to give Jews and Muslims a pass but Christians bring out the vitriol in you. In this country, I don't see much from jews, muslims, buddhists, sikhs, et cetera, aimed at people with different or no religious beliefs. Nothing from the Muslims? Did you miss the WTC thing, twice? Boston Marathon? Ft Hood? Pulse Night Club? The Palestinians would disagree about the Jews too. I was referring to attempts to influence lawmakers at national, state, or local levels. If I wanted to isolate out perpetrators of violent incidents, I would have mentioned christian white males. If that is your only criteria then how about the Jews and Christians in this country who drive our middle east policy? Virtually all of the islamic attacks in the US can be traced back to that. Sorry, I'm not interested in Republican Libertarian politics aimed at isolationism and saving you fellas a couple of bucks. We all know principles ain't involved in Libertarianism. "We all know" ? === 'Airree fancies himself as an editor so it must be an "editorial we". --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:14:58 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/19/18 11:51 AM, wrote: On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 21:05:04 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/18/18 8:47 PM, wrote: On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 15:27:26 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: You do seem to give Jews and Muslims a pass but Christians bring out the vitriol in you. In this country, I don't see much from jews, muslims, buddhists, sikhs, et cetera, aimed at people with different or no religious beliefs. Nothing from the Muslims? Did you miss the WTC thing, twice? Boston Marathon? Ft Hood? Pulse Night Club? The Palestinians would disagree about the Jews too. I was referring to attempts to influence lawmakers at national, state, or local levels. If I wanted to isolate out perpetrators of violent incidents, I would have mentioned christian white males. If that is your only criteria then how about the Jews and Christians in this country who drive our middle east policy? Virtually all of the islamic attacks in the US can be traced back to that. Sorry, I'm not interested in Republican Libertarian politics aimed at isolationism and saving you fellas a couple of bucks. We all know principles ain't involved in Libertarianism. In other words, "That question's too hard." |
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12:15 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Sorry, I'm not interested in Republican Libertarian politics aimed at isolationism and saving you fellas a couple of bucks. We all know principles ain't involved in Libertarianism. ...... “Republican Libertarian politics ??” That’s a new one on me. I thought it was either one way or the other... |
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On 2/19/18 2:22 PM, Tim wrote:
12:15 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Sorry, I'm not interested in Republican Libertarian politics aimed at isolationism and saving you fellas a couple of bucks. We all know principles ain't involved in Libertarianism. ..... “Republican Libertarian politics ??” That’s a new one on me. I thought it was either one way or the other... Right-leaning Libertarians are Republicans with less sense of social responsibility than the more moderate Republicans who ran the party before it went bat**** crazy. Name a right wing Libertarian who held or holds national political elected office who isn't a Republican. Oh, I think the Libertarians are in favor of decriminalizing marijuana. |
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- show quoted text - .. Oh, I think the Libertarians are in favor of decriminalizing marijuana. ...... OK |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/19/18 2:22 PM, Tim wrote: 12:15 PMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Sorry, I'm not interested in Republican Libertarian politics aimed at isolationism and saving you fellas a couple of bucks. We all know principles ain't involved in Libertarianism. ..... “Republican Libertarian politics ??” That’s a new one on me. I thought it was either one way or the other... Right-leaning Libertarians are Republicans with less sense of social responsibility than the more moderate Republicans who ran the party before it went bat**** crazy. Name a right wing Libertarian who held or holds national political elected office who isn't a Republican. Oh, I think the Libertarians are in favor of decriminalizing marijuana. Ok on decriminalize pot and some other drugs. I feel Libertarians are more inclined to require personal responsibility. Why should a lazy person get a free ride? They support helping the handicapped, but it is laziness when a family is on 4-6th generation of welfare. |
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wrote: Oh, I think the Libertarians are in favor of decriminalizing marijuana. But it only seems to be the democrat dominated states doing it so they all must not be republicans. |
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