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Far OT for my creative friends.
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 22:06:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 1/15/2018 9:19 PM, wrote: On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:45:21 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 1/15/18 8:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:24:22 -0500, wrote: It has been pointed out to me that you can just get a "visualization" file for a MP3 player that does this exact thing on a big screen TV. === Yes, but it wouldn't synchronize with your music. Why not if it was the MP3 player generating the visualization? That is what visualizations are. Usually they are so complex the linkage to the music is not immediately apparent. Don't forget the water fountains that are synchronized to the Muzak, er, music, that you enjoy. That is another strange thing that fascinates me. I have thought about trying to make something like that for the pool since I have a pump going anyway. The trick is finding valves that open and close fast enough. The diaphragm valves in washing machines, sprinkler systems and ice makers won't cut it. I don't know if Wayne noticed it but I am roughed in for a fountain or waterfall sort of thing in a corner of the pool already. There us an additional 2" and 3/4" pipe going there, in addition to a return from the pool pump that is on a valve now. (pipe is cheap and easy to put in when the ground is open. Later not so much) I did make a water cannon (Bellagio style) that would shoot a quart sized slug of water across the river once for my neighbor. He wanted to wet down people speeding in the no wake. He never actually had the chance to use it tho. The diaphragm style 1" sprinkler valve was fine for that but I was unloading a tank of air, not the water itself. The water was sitting in a pipe in the river. A couple of cubic feet of 100 PSI air gave it quite a ride. Thanks to "Modern Marvels" I found out that is how Bellagio does it. The fountain systems I am aware of are controlled by a MIDI program where you can synchronize the valve operations to the music as MIDI "events". You can adjust when they occur time-wise relative to the music to adjust for any delays or for desired timing. For example, an event to turn on a water valve could occur prior to the time you want the fountain flow to peak relative to the music. Most of (if not all) of the elaborate Christmas displays on homes and landscaping that are synchronized to music is done using a MIDI program and controller. Yup. I had an IBM buddy who was on the leading edge of this MIDI thing, putting together light shows for bands on old IBM DOS PCs. Compared to WAV or even MP3, a MIDI is a tiny file. He got started using it to build a piano tuner program that he ran on a "luggable" 5162 (basically a full sized PC/AT with a handle on it). Once he got started he saw the possibilities. This guy took one of the original early outs and I lost track of him. |
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Far OT for my creative friends.
On 1/15/2018 11:26 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 22:06:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/15/2018 9:19 PM, wrote: On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:45:21 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 1/15/18 8:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:24:22 -0500, wrote: It has been pointed out to me that you can just get a "visualization" file for a MP3 player that does this exact thing on a big screen TV. === Yes, but it wouldn't synchronize with your music. Why not if it was the MP3 player generating the visualization? That is what visualizations are. Usually they are so complex the linkage to the music is not immediately apparent. Don't forget the water fountains that are synchronized to the Muzak, er, music, that you enjoy. That is another strange thing that fascinates me. I have thought about trying to make something like that for the pool since I have a pump going anyway. The trick is finding valves that open and close fast enough. The diaphragm valves in washing machines, sprinkler systems and ice makers won't cut it. I don't know if Wayne noticed it but I am roughed in for a fountain or waterfall sort of thing in a corner of the pool already. There us an additional 2" and 3/4" pipe going there, in addition to a return from the pool pump that is on a valve now. (pipe is cheap and easy to put in when the ground is open. Later not so much) I did make a water cannon (Bellagio style) that would shoot a quart sized slug of water across the river once for my neighbor. He wanted to wet down people speeding in the no wake. He never actually had the chance to use it tho. The diaphragm style 1" sprinkler valve was fine for that but I was unloading a tank of air, not the water itself. The water was sitting in a pipe in the river. A couple of cubic feet of 100 PSI air gave it quite a ride. Thanks to "Modern Marvels" I found out that is how Bellagio does it. The fountain systems I am aware of are controlled by a MIDI program where you can synchronize the valve operations to the music as MIDI "events". You can adjust when they occur time-wise relative to the music to adjust for any delays or for desired timing. For example, an event to turn on a water valve could occur prior to the time you want the fountain flow to peak relative to the music. Most of (if not all) of the elaborate Christmas displays on homes and landscaping that are synchronized to music is done using a MIDI program and controller. Yup. I had an IBM buddy who was on the leading edge of this MIDI thing, putting together light shows for bands on old IBM DOS PCs. Compared to WAV or even MP3, a MIDI is a tiny file. He got started using it to build a piano tuner program that he ran on a "luggable" 5162 (basically a full sized PC/AT with a handle on it). Once he got started he saw the possibilities. This guy took one of the original early outs and I lost track of him. The synthesized sound generators in early MIDI systems were pretty poor. Instruments really didn't sound authentic at all and they had a very phony sound. But today, using sampled sounds of actual instruments the sound generators are very good. Some of the most highly rated, and used keyboards by professionals and bands today (like the Yamaha MOXF8) can produce sounds that are not distinguishable from the real thing. Here's a video of the Yamaha MOXF8. The concert piano sound starts about 50 seconds into the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7ZgiIbfUNw This is a Yamaha P-115. It uses a lesser version of the sound engine used in the more expensive Yamaha keyboards. I bought one of these for Mrs.E. It's not bad for a relatively inexpensive keyboard for home use: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GamF6mSkgFY Mrs.E. loves listening to piano music but she doesn't really play (nor do I). I download MIDI piano files from the Internet onto a thumbdrive for her to listen to, playing on her P-115. |
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Far OT for my creative friends.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 07:12:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 1/15/2018 11:26 PM, wrote: On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 22:06:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/15/2018 9:19 PM, wrote: On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:45:21 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 1/15/18 8:32 PM, wrote: On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:24:22 -0500, wrote: It has been pointed out to me that you can just get a "visualization" file for a MP3 player that does this exact thing on a big screen TV. === Yes, but it wouldn't synchronize with your music. Why not if it was the MP3 player generating the visualization? That is what visualizations are. Usually they are so complex the linkage to the music is not immediately apparent. Don't forget the water fountains that are synchronized to the Muzak, er, music, that you enjoy. That is another strange thing that fascinates me. I have thought about trying to make something like that for the pool since I have a pump going anyway. The trick is finding valves that open and close fast enough. The diaphragm valves in washing machines, sprinkler systems and ice makers won't cut it. I don't know if Wayne noticed it but I am roughed in for a fountain or waterfall sort of thing in a corner of the pool already. There us an additional 2" and 3/4" pipe going there, in addition to a return from the pool pump that is on a valve now. (pipe is cheap and easy to put in when the ground is open. Later not so much) I did make a water cannon (Bellagio style) that would shoot a quart sized slug of water across the river once for my neighbor. He wanted to wet down people speeding in the no wake. He never actually had the chance to use it tho. The diaphragm style 1" sprinkler valve was fine for that but I was unloading a tank of air, not the water itself. The water was sitting in a pipe in the river. A couple of cubic feet of 100 PSI air gave it quite a ride. Thanks to "Modern Marvels" I found out that is how Bellagio does it. The fountain systems I am aware of are controlled by a MIDI program where you can synchronize the valve operations to the music as MIDI "events". You can adjust when they occur time-wise relative to the music to adjust for any delays or for desired timing. For example, an event to turn on a water valve could occur prior to the time you want the fountain flow to peak relative to the music. Most of (if not all) of the elaborate Christmas displays on homes and landscaping that are synchronized to music is done using a MIDI program and controller. Yup. I had an IBM buddy who was on the leading edge of this MIDI thing, putting together light shows for bands on old IBM DOS PCs. Compared to WAV or even MP3, a MIDI is a tiny file. He got started using it to build a piano tuner program that he ran on a "luggable" 5162 (basically a full sized PC/AT with a handle on it). Once he got started he saw the possibilities. This guy took one of the original early outs and I lost track of him. The synthesized sound generators in early MIDI systems were pretty poor. Instruments really didn't sound authentic at all and they had a very phony sound. But today, using sampled sounds of actual instruments the sound generators are very good. Some of the most highly rated, and used keyboards by professionals and bands today (like the Yamaha MOXF8) can produce sounds that are not distinguishable from the real thing. Here's a video of the Yamaha MOXF8. The concert piano sound starts about 50 seconds into the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7ZgiIbfUNw This is a Yamaha P-115. It uses a lesser version of the sound engine used in the more expensive Yamaha keyboards. I bought one of these for Mrs.E. It's not bad for a relatively inexpensive keyboard for home use: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GamF6mSkgFY Mrs.E. loves listening to piano music but she doesn't really play (nor do I). I download MIDI piano files from the Internet onto a thumbdrive for her to listen to, playing on her P-115. Like everything in the computer biz MIDI has become a whole lot better. My buddy was just amazed at how well he could reproduce and analyse the sound he needed to tune a piano. I don't really know much about the process. I just helped him on the computer hardware side. Electronic instruments are certainly better too. We have come a long way from Max Crook's electronic keyboard on "Runaway" but at the time we thought it was magic. He certainly managed to take a mediocre bubble gum song to the top of the charts with it. |
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