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John H wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 15:23:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/4/2018 2:53 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 13:16:34 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/4/2018 1:07 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 12:42:29 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/4/2018 12:20 PM, wrote: On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 08:54:03 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 17:19:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/3/2018 2:28 PM, Its Me wrote: Light flurries now, the predictions range from a dusting to 1-2 inches. Worse the closer to the coast you get. My BIL at James Island (Charleston) sent a picture earlier of maybe 1/4 inch and still falling. Very unusual for them. It's out of here in a few hours and headed up the coast. Good luck! Damn. I was hoping it would dump a foot in Mt. Pleasant, just to shut my son up. Last I heard it is supposed to "explode" as it comes up the coast, becoming essentially a winter hurricane. "Bombogenesis" is the technical term, and the popular "bomb cyclone" is a shortened version of it, according to our weather folks. They do seem to just make up names for things these days. I think the classic was "Super Storm Sandy" to talk about something that was not even a hurricane, it was just "super" for people who were not used to tropical weather. It is far from unprecedented tho. There was a real Cat 3 there in the 30s. I have certainly seen that weather pattern in DC tho and this is not even the worst case. The snow would actually be more of a problem if the "eye" of that low was farther west so your wind was drawing wet gulf stream air up into the cold front north of you. That is what gives DC over a foot of snow a day and if it stalls, you "Knickerbocker" snow. Up here a Cat 1 hurricane in the summer might be preferable over what is going on right now. When you look at this storm on radar it is developing a very defined rotation as it is winding up and getting bigger. Snowfall rate here is 2-3 inches/hr and the temp is dropping like a rock since this morning. Pretty much a white-out out there. Major flooding in Justin's former town with 4 disabled cars with people trapped inside, one a woman with 2 kids. Water is over the wheel wells. Fire and National Guard are responding. My old stomping grounds in Scituate is really getting clobbered ... worst in over 30 years despite improvements in sea walls, etc. A TV reporter nut was standing on the porch of a house about 30 feet from the seawall and he was getting soaked with spray, along with dodging sea ice that is being thrown up onto the roofs of houses. So far we haven't had any power glitches here but I fully expect we'll lose it in the next hour or so. Wind where I am is gusting 55-60 mph. Best of luck in all that. I think I'd be getting out the extension cords and prioritizing my electricity requirements! Did that yesterday ... that's why I was firing up the Honda to test. I have a new plan. If power goes out I am going to shut off the main breaker and then backfeed the generator output through a 15 amp outlet that's in the shed. It's on the same branch of the split 240v house supply as the furnace and a couple of rooms. All my lighting is LED, so that's a tiny load. The generator will run those plus the furnace system with no problem and I don't need to have extension cords running anywhere. Well, you know more about electricity than I do. That's something I'd never try. Came across this while looking for info. Don't know if it'll help or you already have it down. http://www.tcscooters.com/backfeed.htm I like steps 1-3: If you are going to backfeed your home, you must be very carefully and follow the directions below. If you fail to follow them you can kill a line worker, kill yourself or blow up your generator. Again I'll say, get a licensed electrician. Step One, the most important step of all is to turn off the main breakers. Step two, turn off the main breakers. Step three, turn off the main breakers. Do you get the idea? Step four, remember to plug the generator end in last. If the generator is running and you are using two male ends the house end plug is live! I definitely agree that not everyone should do this. The best way is to have an automatic transfer box installed to code by a licensed electrician. That said, I've done this several times, including the house we had in Florida after Wilma. I have sufficient knowledge of what I am doing but even so, I stop, check and re-check before firing up the generator and throwing the breaker that it backfeeds through. It's illegal, but safe if you pay attention and know something about house wiring. Here's a little test that I've even tried on licensed electricians to see how knowledgeable they a Your house service is usually 240vac, split phase. Split phase means two "hot" leads, a neutral (used with both hot legs) and a ground (which really is tied to the neutral leg. Across the two "hot" leads you have 240 volts which is used for stoves, large AC units, etc. Between either hot lead and neutral you have 120 volts which is used for your outlets, lighting, refrig and small appliances. Your panel box is supposed to be wired to balance the loads as best as possible. So, here's the question. Let's say: Leg "A" of the 120 volt supply is drawing 40 amps. Leg "B" of the 120 volt supply is drawing 30 amps. How much current is flowing through the common neutral leg that is used for both legs? The answer is 10 amps. Many people assume it is the sum of both current draws or 70 amps in this example and it's amazing how many "electricians" don't know that. They don't realize that the two "hot" legs are 180 degrees out of phase, so the current in the neutral adds algebraically. That's why the neutral feed from the street to your power panel is the same size wire as the two hot leads. It will never carry more than what one hot leg is rated to draw. I would have guessed 35. But, that's just proof of how little I know about electricity, off the top of my head. Harry would have got it right. Maybe not. It's probably not an easy Google search and his union buddies wouldn't know the answer. |
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On 1/4/2018 7:52 PM, Alex wrote:
John H wrote: On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 15:23:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/4/2018 2:53 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 13:16:34 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/4/2018 1:07 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 12:42:29 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/4/2018 12:20 PM, wrote: On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 08:54:03 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 17:19:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/3/2018 2:28 PM, Its Me wrote: Light flurries now, the predictions range from a dusting to 1-2 inches.* Worse the closer to the coast you get.* My BIL at James Island (Charleston) sent a picture earlier of maybe 1/4 inch and still falling.* Very unusual for them. It's out of here in a few hours and headed up the coast. Good luck! Damn.* I was hoping it would dump a foot in Mt. Pleasant, just to shut my son up. Last I heard it is supposed to "explode" as it comes up the coast, becoming essentially a winter hurricane. "Bombogenesis" is the technical term, and the popular "bomb cyclone" is a shortened version of it, according to our weather folks. They do seem to just make up names for things these days. I think the classic was "Super Storm Sandy" to talk about something that was not even a hurricane, it was just "super" for people who were not used to tropical weather. It is far from unprecedented tho. There was a real Cat 3 there in the 30s. I have certainly seen that weather pattern in DC tho and this is not even the worst case. The snow would actually be more of a problem if the "eye" of that low was farther west so your wind was drawing wet gulf stream air up into the cold front north of you. That is what gives DC over a foot of snow a day and if it stalls, you "Knickerbocker" snow. Up here a Cat 1 hurricane in the summer might be preferable over what is going on right now. When you look at this storm on radar it is developing a very defined rotation as it is winding up and getting bigger.* Snowfall rate here is 2-3 inches/hr and the temp is dropping like a rock since this morning.* Pretty much a white-out out there. Major flooding in Justin's former town with 4 disabled cars with people trapped inside, one a woman with 2 kids.* Water is over the wheel wells. *** Fire and National Guard are responding. My old stomping grounds in Scituate is really getting clobbered ... worst in over 30 years despite improvements in sea walls, etc.* A TV reporter nut was standing on the porch of a house about 30 feet from the seawall and he was getting soaked with spray, along with dodging sea ice that is being thrown up onto the roofs of houses. So far we haven't had any power glitches here but I fully expect we'll lose it in the next hour or so. Wind where I am is gusting* 55-60 mph. Best of luck in all that. I think I'd be getting out the extension cords and prioritizing my electricity requirements! Did that yesterday ... that's why I was firing up the Honda to test. I have a new plan.* If power goes out I am going to shut off the main breaker and then backfeed the generator output through a 15 amp outlet that's in the shed.* It's on the same branch of the split 240v house supply as the furnace and a couple of rooms.* All my lighting is LED, so that's a tiny load.* The generator will run those plus the furnace system with no problem and I don't need to have extension cords running anywhere. Well, you know more about electricity than I do. That's something I'd never try. Came across this while looking for info. Don't know if it'll help or you already have it down. http://www.tcscooters.com/backfeed.htm I like steps 1-3: If you are going to backfeed your home, you must be very carefully and follow the directions below. If you fail to follow them you can kill a line worker, kill yourself or blow up your generator. Again I'll say, get a licensed electrician. Step One, the most important step of all is to turn off the main breakers. Step two, turn off the main breakers. Step three, turn off the main breakers. Do you get the idea? Step four, remember to plug the generator end in last. If the generator is running and you are using two male ends the house end plug is live! I definitely agree that not everyone should do this.* The best way is to have an automatic transfer box installed to code by a licensed electrician. That said, I've done this several times, including the house we had in Florida after Wilma.* I have sufficient knowledge of what I am doing but even so, I stop, check and re-check before firing up the generator and throwing the breaker that it backfeeds through. It's illegal, but safe if you pay attention and know something about house wiring. Here's a little test that I've even tried on licensed electricians to see how knowledgeable they a Your house service is usually 240vac, split phase.* Split phase means two "hot" leads, a neutral (used with both hot legs) and a ground (which really is tied to the neutral leg.* Across the two "hot" leads you have 240 volts which is used for stoves, large AC units, etc.* Between either hot lead and neutral you have 120 volts which is used for your outlets, lighting, refrig and small appliances.* Your panel box is supposed to be wired to balance the loads as best as possible.* So, here's the question.* Let's say: Leg "A" of the 120 volt supply is drawing* 40 amps. Leg "B" of the 120 volt supply is drawing* 30 amps. How much current is flowing through the common neutral leg that is used for both legs? The answer is 10 amps. Many people assume it is the sum of both current draws or 70 amps in this example and it's amazing how many "electricians" don't know that. They don't realize that the two "hot" legs are 180 degrees out of phase, so the current in the neutral adds algebraically. That's why the neutral feed from the street to your power panel is the same size wire as the two hot leads.* It will never carry more than what one hot leg is rated to draw. I would have guessed 35. But, that's just proof of how little I know about electricity, off the top of my head. Harry would have got it right. Maybe not.* It's probably not an easy Google search and his union buddies wouldn't know the answer. Harry's playing outside, four wheeling in his driveway in 4 inches of snow. |
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On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 22:50:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: Harry's playing outside, four wheeling in his driveway in 4 inches of snow. Ny niece posted a picture on Facebook of a measured 6" a few miles south of Harry. He may have more than 4" of snow. |
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On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 00:04:40 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 22:50:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Harry's playing outside, four wheeling in his driveway in 4 inches of snow. Ny niece posted a picture on Facebook of a measured 6" a few miles south of Harry. He may have more than 4" of snow. I think Harry said he got 6", but the official record puts him between 2-4". http://www.weatherstreet.com/city_sn...snow-depth.htm We got about an inch. |
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On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 08:11:57 -0500, John H
wrote: On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 00:04:40 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 22:50:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Harry's playing outside, four wheeling in his driveway in 4 inches of snow. Ny niece posted a picture on Facebook of a measured 6" a few miles south of Harry. He may have more than 4" of snow. I think Harry said he got 6", but the official record puts him between 2-4". http://www.weatherstreet.com/city_sn...snow-depth.htm We got about an inch. Just going on the picture my niece posted from her marina in Ridge. (Ruler stuck in the snow) |
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On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 22:50:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Harry's playing outside, four wheeling in his driveway in 4 inches of snow. Ny niece posted a picture on Facebook of a measured 6" a few miles south of Harry. He may have more than 4" of snow. I measured 4”+ on two deck tables that aren’t subject to snow drifts. Main streets were plowed by the time I ventured out. Subdivision streets snowy and icey. Some empty shelves at supermarket, as is usual when a storm hits. Power hasn’t fluttered yet...propane tank was filled last week by supplier. -- Posted with my iPhone 8+. |
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On 1/4/18 10:50 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/4/2018 7:52 PM, Alex wrote: John H wrote: On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 15:23:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/4/2018 2:53 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 13:16:34 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/4/2018 1:07 PM, John H wrote: On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 12:42:29 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/4/2018 12:20 PM, wrote: On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 08:54:03 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 17:19:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/3/2018 2:28 PM, Its Me wrote: Light flurries now, the predictions range from a dusting to 1-2 inches.* Worse the closer to the coast you get.* My BIL at James Island (Charleston) sent a picture earlier of maybe 1/4 inch and still falling.* Very unusual for them. It's out of here in a few hours and headed up the coast. Good luck! Damn.* I was hoping it would dump a foot in Mt. Pleasant, just to shut my son up. Last I heard it is supposed to "explode" as it comes up the coast, becoming essentially a winter hurricane. "Bombogenesis" is the technical term, and the popular "bomb cyclone" is a shortened version of it, according to our weather folks. They do seem to just make up names for things these days. I think the classic was "Super Storm Sandy" to talk about something that was not even a hurricane, it was just "super" for people who were not used to tropical weather. It is far from unprecedented tho. There was a real Cat 3 there in the 30s. I have certainly seen that weather pattern in DC tho and this is not even the worst case. The snow would actually be more of a problem if the "eye" of that low was farther west so your wind was drawing wet gulf stream air up into the cold front north of you. That is what gives DC over a foot of snow a day and if it stalls, you "Knickerbocker" snow. Up here a Cat 1 hurricane in the summer might be preferable over what is going on right now. When you look at this storm on radar it is developing a very defined rotation as it is winding up and getting bigger.* Snowfall rate here is 2-3 inches/hr and the temp is dropping like a rock since this morning.* Pretty much a white-out out there. Major flooding in Justin's former town with 4 disabled cars with people trapped inside, one a woman with 2 kids.* Water is over the wheel wells. *** Fire and National Guard are responding. My old stomping grounds in Scituate is really getting clobbered ... worst in over 30 years despite improvements in sea walls, etc. A TV reporter nut was standing on the porch of a house about 30 feet from the seawall and he was getting soaked with spray, along with dodging sea ice that is being thrown up onto the roofs of houses. So far we haven't had any power glitches here but I fully expect we'll lose it in the next hour or so. Wind where I am is gusting 55-60 mph. Best of luck in all that. I think I'd be getting out the extension cords and prioritizing my electricity requirements! Did that yesterday ... that's why I was firing up the Honda to test. I have a new plan.* If power goes out I am going to shut off the main breaker and then backfeed the generator output through a 15 amp outlet that's in the shed.* It's on the same branch of the split 240v house supply as the furnace and a couple of rooms.* All my lighting is LED, so that's a tiny load.* The generator will run those plus the furnace system with no problem and I don't need to have extension cords running anywhere. Well, you know more about electricity than I do. That's something I'd never try. Came across this while looking for info. Don't know if it'll help or you already have it down. http://www.tcscooters.com/backfeed.htm I like steps 1-3: If you are going to backfeed your home, you must be very carefully and follow the directions below. If you fail to follow them you can kill a line worker, kill yourself or blow up your generator. Again I'll say, get a licensed electrician. Step One, the most important step of all is to turn off the main breakers. Step two, turn off the main breakers. Step three, turn off the main breakers. Do you get the idea? Step four, remember to plug the generator end in last. If the generator is running and you are using two male ends the house end plug is live! I definitely agree that not everyone should do this.* The best way is to have an automatic transfer box installed to code by a licensed electrician. That said, I've done this several times, including the house we had in Florida after Wilma.* I have sufficient knowledge of what I am doing but even so, I stop, check and re-check before firing up the generator and throwing the breaker that it backfeeds through. It's illegal, but safe if you pay attention and know something about house wiring. Here's a little test that I've even tried on licensed electricians to see how knowledgeable they a Your house service is usually 240vac, split phase.* Split phase means two "hot" leads, a neutral (used with both hot legs) and a ground (which really is tied to the neutral leg.* Across the two "hot" leads you have 240 volts which is used for stoves, large AC units, etc.* Between either hot lead and neutral you have 120 volts which is used for your outlets, lighting, refrig and small appliances.* Your panel box is supposed to be wired to balance the loads as best as possible.* So, here's the question.* Let's say: Leg "A" of the 120 volt supply is drawing* 40 amps. Leg "B" of the 120 volt supply is drawing* 30 amps. How much current is flowing through the common neutral leg that is used for both legs? The answer is 10 amps. Many people assume it is the sum of both current draws or 70 amps in this example and it's amazing how many "electricians" don't know that. They don't realize that the two "hot" legs are 180 degrees out of phase, so the current in the neutral adds algebraically. That's why the neutral feed from the street to your power panel is the same size wire as the two hot leads.* It will never carry more than what one hot leg is rated to draw. I would have guessed 35. But, that's just proof of how little I know about electricity, off the top of my head. Harry would have got it right. Maybe not.* It's probably not an easy Google search and his union buddies wouldn't know the answer. Harry's playing outside, four wheeling in his driveway in 4 inches of snow. I don't read posts from Herring unless a bit of them is quoted in someone else's post. Whatever the question was, if I had the information Herring needed, I'd go make a sandwich instead. |
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