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True North wrote:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 11:39:53 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 10:20:36 AM UTC-5, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 08:02:21 UTC-4, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.

Got remote start on that Colorado?


Thankfully, yes. This morning I let it run through two complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out. Temp had actually dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically turns on the
seat heater which is nice. Makes a big difference!
From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't good for the vehicle or the environment. They say it's better to drive away slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in the block heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but haven't installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw the inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs. The Highlander starts easily and warms up much faster.

None of my local auto parts stores sell block heaters or electric
battery blankets. Did you get yours on line?
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Every half decent auto parts or hardware store carries block heaters.
When I bought the RAV4 in 2009, I insisted that they throw in a block heater along with other accessories. My 2013 Highlander already came equipped with one.

Fraid not. In fact, it's difficult to find a snow shovel south of
the Mason/Dixon line.
I'll never forget when I first travelled up north in the winter years ago on business. I walked into a home improvement type store one evening to pick up some supplies, and there was a big display up front of snow shovels. I'd never even seen one in person until then. I'm not sure I could find one locally if I tried. No need. Same for block heaters or battery blankets.

They sell snow shovels in larger drug and grocery stores up here. They always have a display at the front.

Wow! That's amazing!

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True North wrote:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 13:33:29 UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 02:35:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/29/2017 9:06 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.

Got remote start on that Colorado?


Thankfully, yes. This morning I let it run through two complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out. Temp had actually dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically turns on the
seat heater which is nice. Makes a big difference!

From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't good for the vehicle or the environment. They say it's better to drive away slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in the block heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but haven't installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw the inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs. The Highlander starts easily and warms up much faster.

Car manufacturers used to warn about idling a car for long periods
because it was bad for the catalytic converter. Don't know if that's
true anymore as remote starters in cold climates have become very
popular. I don't have a garage and when you use the remote start it
also turns on the windshield and rear window defroster full blast.
Without that benefit, I'd be sitting in the driveway for a while anyway
waiting to see where I was going.

In any event I only use it on these very cold mornings. My total drive
to and from the local Dunkin's is only 10 minutes and I like doing it
without freezing my ass off.
I can see why the rest of the world is ****ed at Americans. You ran
your car for a half hour to take a 10 minute drive for a cup of coffee
and a doughnut. Maybe Uber should deliver doughnuts ;-)
Bingo!
Up here money is a little harder to come by...is worth less and we're taxed higher on it. Items also cost more...from the original vehicle purchase to gasoline. It's very prudent and thrifty to think twice about wasting it.
"Waste not...want not!"

There's your "free" healthcare!

A little nippy ...
 

On 12/30/2017 8:53 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 11:33:19 UTC-4, Mr. LudditeÂ* wrote:
On 12/30/2017 10:10 AM, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 08:29:43 UTC-4, Mr. LudditeÂ* wrote:
On 12/30/2017 7:05 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 12/29/2017 9:06 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. LudditeÂ* wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.

Got remote start on that Colorado?


Thankfully, yes.Â* This morning I let it run through two
complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out.Â* Temp had
actually dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically
turns on the
seat heater which is nice.Â* Makes a big difference!

Â*Â*Â* From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't
good for the vehicle or the environment.Â* They say it's better
to drive away slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in
the block heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but
haven't installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw
the inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs.Â* The
Highlander starts easily and warms up much faster.

Car manufacturers used to warn about idling a car for long periods
because it was bad for the catalytic converter.Â* Don't know if
that's
true anymore as remote starters in cold climates have become very
popular.Â* I don't have a garage and when you use the remote
start it
also turns on the windshield and rear window defroster full blast.
Without that benefit, I'd be sitting in the driveway for a while
anyway
waiting to see where I was going.

In any event I only use it on these very cold mornings.Â* My
total drive
to and from the local Dunkin's is only 10 minutes and I like
doing it
without freezing my ass off.


I wish I could remember to use my remote start when my car has
Â*Â*Â* been baking under the hot Florida sun.


I became curious again after reading Don's comments about remote
starters and read several reviews and query's regarding if their
use to
warm up the engine for a bit before driving in extreme cold
weather is
bad for the car.Â*Â* Turns out, it's a myth, based on older engine
technology.

In reality, warming the engine up a bit before driving is actually
better for the engine than just starting it and driving slowly.
If you
do the latter, the engine is actually working harder than normal
under
load, is using more gas and is less efficient emission control
wise than
if you let it warm up a bit at idle under little load.

I wouldn't bother with block heaters unless I had a diesel.
My purpose is to lessen engine wear due to cold starting and the
problem with thicker oil trying to coat and apply lubrication to
frozen internal parts. I believe the block heater helps with this.
I'm more interested in the long engine life of my vehicles than my
own comfort.
On the other hand I do try to dress properly when going out in
temperatures lower than -8 C.Â* That is..undershirt, flannel shirt,
fleece layer and winter coat. Even wear mitts if walking the dog.

Machines are meant to serve man, not vice versa.


If I went to all that trouble to run down to Dunkin's to get coffee, I
may as well ride one of Mrs.E's horses.

I like being warm.
Short trips in cold weather used to be hard on a vehicles exhaust
system. Not sure with the better quality stainless materials used
today. I'd stay home and make my own coffee

The exhaust system?Â* Where did you read that?


That is true, at least for some of the exhaust components like the
muffler. I had a crappy, 1980 T-Bird years ago that the muffler rusted
out prematurely because I only drove it about 3 miles to my office and
the same back every day. Never got hot enough to evaporate the moisture
that collected in it due to condensation. It failed so soon that Ford
hadn't started supplying OEM replacements yet and they had to jury-rig a
replacement on it. Car looked like this one:

https://cdn04.carsforsale.com/3/279685/11061594/899781880.jpg

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John H wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 11:16:39 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 14:59:21 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 10:29:28 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 13:33:29 UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 02:35:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/29/2017 9:06 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.

Got remote start on that Colorado?


Thankfully, yes. This morning I let it run through two complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out. Temp had actually dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically turns on the
seat heater which is nice. Makes a big difference!

From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't good for the vehicle or the environment. They say it's better to drive away slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in the block heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but haven't installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw the inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs. The Highlander starts easily and warms up much faster.

Car manufacturers used to warn about idling a car for long periods
because it was bad for the catalytic converter. Don't know if that's
true anymore as remote starters in cold climates have become very
popular. I don't have a garage and when you use the remote start it
also turns on the windshield and rear window defroster full blast.
Without that benefit, I'd be sitting in the driveway for a while anyway
waiting to see where I was going.

In any event I only use it on these very cold mornings. My total drive
to and from the local Dunkin's is only 10 minutes and I like doing it
without freezing my ass off.
I can see why the rest of the world is ****ed at Americans. You ran
your car for a half hour to take a 10 minute drive for a cup of coffee
and a doughnut. Maybe Uber should deliver doughnuts ;-)
Bingo!
Up here money is a little harder to come by...is worth less and we're taxed higher on it. Items also cost more...from the original vehicle purchase to gasoline. It's very prudent and thrifty to think twice about wasting it.
"Waste not...want not!"
Don, why are you ragging him about getting coffee? I'll bet you burn much more fuel just getting
your Bayliner up on plane! Do you consider that a 'waste'?
Not "ragging him" on getting coffee, I'm simply pointing out the benefits of a block heater over an automatic starter.
Actually, one of my brother-in-laws is very similar to Richard. He had a successful company, retired but can't sleep so he's out the door in the wee hours. Even travels 100 miles each way to supervise his son's projects in various small communities around the province at no pay. He gets medical coverage instead. He's the guy who bought a Kubota tractor to work on the piece of property he bought his son on a nearby large lake.
And yes...he was given a remote starter this Christmas for his Toyota Tacoma truck.

Oh. When I read this, "Up here money is a little harder to come by...is worth less and we're taxed
higher on it. Items also cost more...from the original vehicle purchase to gasoline. It's very
prudent and thrifty to think twice about wasting it.
"Waste not...want not!", it seemed as though you were talking about wasting gas, not the benefits of
a block heater.

In any case, do you consider getting your Bayliner on plane a 'waste'?

My money says it sees very little use.

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On 12/30/17 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 15:12:35 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On 30 Dec 2017 15:41:38 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:


Fraid not. In fact, it's difficult to find a snow shovel south of
the Mason/Dixon line.

More of your ignorance. Look up Masons and Dixons Line and get back to us
when you figure out its boundaries.

It is a common mistake. Most people do not know Md and DC are below
the Mason Dixon. In fact it really had little to do with the civil war
at all. It was to settle a property dispute 100 years earlier.
James Taylor and Mark Knopfler have a great song about it.
Beautiful guitar work
"Sailing to Philadelphia"


Actually , I remember crossing that line on I 81 in Md. Tracing
the line doesn't concern me. Southern Md. Is to me, as backward
as Appalachia.

Actually you passed it on the Pennsylvania state line with Maryland.

Southern Md is rapidly losing that rural character you remember as
they keep pushing the acceptable commute from DC farther out.
I am old enough to remember when they thought near in PG near where
the beltway is now was about as far as a DC commuter wanted to drive.
(or take a bus). The WM&A (Maryland) bus service stopped just the
other side of Oxon Hill road in Southlawn. DC Transit stopped at the
DC line and you were walking from there.
If you went any farther than that it was on a Greyhound.



There still are a lot of farms down here and on the other side of the
Pax River past Solomons.

Maryland ranks second in the nation in the percentage of residents with
grad degrees and third in the percentage of residents with undergrad
degrees.

Florida ranks 29th and 31st.

https://is.gd/eqoU8W

Maryland ranks fifth in median hourly wages. Florida isn't in the top 10.

Florida is more like Appalachia the Maryland.

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wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:42:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/30/2017 5:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 05:16:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.


===

Yes. It's a chilly 68F here in SWFL right now, really too cool to use
the pool comfortably even if the water is warm. The rest of the week
doesn'y look much better but I'm going to try and take the dinghy out
for a spin tomorrow.


You guys really know how to rub it in.


===

Have you tried convincing your wife that the horses would be happier
here? It might really be true.

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The Ocala area is known for their horse farms. Many thoroughbreds are
raised and trained there.

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On 12/30/2017 9:10 PM, Alex wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:42:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/30/2017 5:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 05:16:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.


===

Yes.Â* It's a chilly 68F here in SWFL right now, really too cool to use
the pool comfortably even if the water is warm.Â* The rest of the week
doesn'y look much better but I'm going to try and take the dinghy out
for a spin tomorrow.


You guys really know how to rub it in.


===

Have you tried convincing your wife that the horses would be happier
here?Â* It might really be true.

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The Ocala area is known for their horse farms.Â* Many thoroughbreds are
raised and trained there.


The horses are one of the considerations we have. When we were in
Jupiter for three winters Mrs.E. shipped the horses down there. It
worked out ok other than a short period of them adjusting to different
hay and "keep busy" grass munching.

A little nippy ...
 

True North wrote:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 13:33:29 UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 02:35:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/29/2017 9:06 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.


Got remote start on that Colorado?



Thankfully, yes. This morning I let it run through two complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out. Temp had actually dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically turns on the
seat heater which is nice. Makes a big difference!



From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't good for
the vehicle or the environment. They say it's better to drive away
slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in the block
heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but haven't installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw the
inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs. The Highlander
starts easily and warms up much faster.


Car manufacturers used to warn about idling a car for long periods
because it was bad for the catalytic converter. Don't know if that's
true anymore as remote starters in cold climates have become very
popular. I don't have a garage and when you use the remote start it
also turns on the windshield and rear window defroster full blast.
Without that benefit, I'd be sitting in the driveway for a while anyway
waiting to see where I was going.

In any event I only use it on these very cold mornings. My total drive
to and from the local Dunkin's is only 10 minutes and I like doing it
without freezing my ass off.

I can see why the rest of the world is ****ed at Americans. You ran
your car for a half hour to take a 10 minute drive for a cup of coffee
and a doughnut. Maybe Uber should deliver doughnuts ;-)

Bingo!
Up here money is a little harder to come by...is worth less and we're
taxed higher on it. Items also cost more...from the original vehicle
purchase to gasoline. It's very prudent and thrifty to think twice about wasting it.
"Waste not...want not!"


Earn enough so a little waste is allowed.

A little nippy ...
 

Alex wrote:
justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 12/29/2017 9:06 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.

Got remote start on that Colorado?


Thankfully, yes. This morning I let it run through two complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out. Temp had actually dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically turns on the
seat heater which is nice. Makes a big difference!

From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't good for
the vehicle or the environment. They say it's better to drive away
slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in the block
heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but haven't installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw the
inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs. The Highlander
starts easily and warms up much faster.

Car manufacturers used to warn about idling a car for long periods
because it was bad for the catalytic converter. Don't know if that's
true anymore as remote starters in cold climates have become very
popular. I don't have a garage and when you use the remote start it
also turns on the windshield and rear window defroster full blast.
Without that benefit, I'd be sitting in the driveway for a while anyway
waiting to see where I was going.

In any event I only use it on these very cold mornings. My total drive
to and from the local Dunkin's is only 10 minutes and I like doing it
without freezing my ass off.


I wish I could remember to use my remote start when my car has
been baking under the hot Florida sun.

That what I use mine for. No need for the cold days but I have turned
on the heated seats when I get in. Leather can be cold even in temps
around 50º.



My wife’s Venza had everything but seat heaters. Did not realize that
until a couple weeks later when she wanted heated seats. My truck is nice
in the heated seat until you accidentally turn them on in the summer.

A little nippy ...
 

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:09:50 -0500,
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:42:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/30/2017 5:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 05:16:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.



===

Yes. It's a chilly 68F here in SWFL right now, really too cool to use
the pool comfortably even if the water is warm. The rest of the week
doesn'y look much better but I'm going to try and take the dinghy out
for a spin tomorrow.



You guys really know how to rub it in.



===

Have you tried convincing your wife that the horses would be happier
here? It might really be true.


Richard has the dough to buy a horse farm up river around Alva with a
dock.