On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 16:23:22 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:


Loading the big trailers properly was an art form. The loads were not
strapped in place, so you had to learn how to stack the big cardboard
crates properly. If the trailers weren't loaded up properly, the load
would shift and tumble and the drivers would really get ****ed. Some of
the products were loaded on the trailers on pallets. I got to drive the
towmotor from the factory floor onto the loading dock and into the
trailer. Pretty heady for an 18-year-old. What were you doing at 18?
Counting your pubic hairs?

The beer trucks were easier to load.

Almost forgot...the fringe benefits...we got a 20-minute shave break
daily at the razor blade factory...so we were asked to show up unshaven.
Cool. At the brewery, somehow a keg of cold beer and paper cups would
appear during the shift. I'm sure that no longer happens.


At 12 years old I drove a forklift. No big whoops. When I worked in a
pallet mill when 16-17 we all,drove forklifts. Did not require a forklift
license then.

I have never even heard of a "fork lift" license. Is that a California
thing? Driving unregistered vehicles on private property has not been
regulated anywhere I have been. Anyone with a credit card can rent
just about any kind of equipment here.
I also did not understand that loading the truck was where the skill
was required. When I delivered meat and chickens (at 17) the trucks
were loaded by barely above minimum wage "helpers" or "warehousemen"
in Teamster's lingo. Since this was dropped in small lots, the trucks
were not palletized but the load for the truck came to the dock on a
pallet at Swift. At the chicken company they were hand loaded the
whole way with the owner supervising the load on every truck. This was
checking items off of a clipboard. The driver got a copy of that
manifest and had to sign for it.

On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 12:34:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 11:10 AM, wrote:

Harree, you have acquired an impressive knowledge of post-disaster
logistics in an amazingly short period of time. You should take some
of those new found skills on to the next available flight to Puerto
Rico and put them to work where they are needed. Since Trump can't do
it all by himself, you and he could work together to fix this mess.


It wouldn't be appreciated by us though. We don't understand the
concept of a fluid situation, remember?

Got a big chuckle out of that one.


Part of the problem is FEMA and the feds are looking at this as a big
problem instead of understanding it is just a bunch of little problems
that need to be fixed one at a time. This is where they really need
more help from the local government and that seems to be totally
disfunctional. The San Juan mayor is a big part of the problem. She is
on TV more than she is working on the problems. It was widely reported
that she was not even showing up at the meetings with FEMA and the
other recovery agencies but she certainly has plenty to say about how
bad they are.

The first thing you saw in Texas and Florida was that the local people
and local first responders were in there helping their neighbors, long
before the feds showed up. We are still waiting for FEMA here. They
will just be throwing money at for the most part anyway. The counties
and cities are doing the contracting for debris removal, paying the
contractors and waiting for the feds to reimburse them.
The other issue we have here is housing. FEMA is supposed to show up
with trailers for the people who are still out of their homes but so
far they have not even decided where the trailers will go. We really
do not want another trailer slum like we had after Charley. The
problem was the temporarily displaced folks moved out fairly fast but
we had a hard core group of people who may have been virtually
homeless before the storm anyway and they turned the FEMA trailer park
into a combat zone where a big chunk of the crime in Charlotte County
was occurring. (rapes, murders, thefts etc). It took years to get them
out.

On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:11:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 12:23 PM, Bill wrote:

At 12 years old I drove a forklift. No big whoops. When I worked in a
pallet mill when 16-17 we all,drove forklifts. Did not require a forklift
license then.



Heh. I used to drive the two forklifts my business had sometimes. The
shop crew used to get a kick out of me buzzing around on them. Then,
one day, we had a site inspection by our insurance company. I was asked
if all the forklift operators were certified. That was the end of my
forklift driving career.

Interesting. I have never heard of that. Most of the operators I know
around here are Latino and barely speak english. They seem to be very
good with the machines tho. I did have an Anglo guy digging my septic
field but he was a school teacher who moonlighted as an operator using
rented equipment. I am sure none of them was certified by anyone.
When I rent machines, nobody asks me anything but how I will pay and
when I want it picked up.

12:45
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:11:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 12:23 PM, Bill wrote:

At 12 years old I drove a forklift. No big whoops. When I worked in a
pallet mill when 16-17 we all,drove forklifts. Did not require a forklift
license then.



Heh. I used to drive the two forklifts my business had sometimes. The
shop crew used to get a kick out of me buzzing around on them. Then,
one day, we had a site inspection by our insurance company. I was asked
if all the forklift operators were certified. That was the end of my
forklift driving career.

Interesting. I have never heard of that. Most of the operators I know
around here are Latino and barely speak english. They seem to be very
good with the machines tho. I did have an Anglo guy digging my septic
field but he was a school teacher who moonlighted as an operator using
rented equipment. I am sure none of them was certified by anyone.
When I rent machines, nobody asks me anything but how I will pay and
when I want it picked up.

.....

You were renting them personally. When I worked in a factory 35 years ago, I had to be certified to drive the forklifts. No big deal. Watch a funny little movie and take a written test. All company time and payed for too

Tim wrote:
12:45
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:11:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 12:23 PM, Bill wrote:

At 12 years old I drove a forklift. No big whoops. When I worked in a
pallet mill when 16-17 we all,drove forklifts. Did not require a forklift
license then.



Heh. I used to drive the two forklifts my business had sometimes. The
shop crew used to get a kick out of me buzzing around on them. Then,
one day, we had a site inspection by our insurance company. I was asked
if all the forklift operators were certified. That was the end of my
forklift driving career.

Interesting. I have never heard of that. Most of the operators I know
around here are Latino and barely speak english. They seem to be very
good with the machines tho. I did have an Anglo guy digging my septic
field but he was a school teacher who moonlighted as an operator using
rented equipment. I am sure none of them was certified by anyone.
When I rent machines, nobody asks me anything but how I will pay and
when I want it picked up.

....

You were renting them personally. When I worked in a factory 35 years
ago, I had to be certified to drive the forklifts. No big deal. Watch a
funny little movie and take a written test. All company time and payed for too


OSHA required.
https://www.jjkeller.com/learn/osha-...-training-faqs

On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 11:04:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

12:45
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:11:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 12:23 PM, Bill wrote:

At 12 years old I drove a forklift. No big whoops. When I worked in a
pallet mill when 16-17 we all,drove forklifts. Did not require a forklift
license then.



Heh. I used to drive the two forklifts my business had sometimes. The
shop crew used to get a kick out of me buzzing around on them. Then,
one day, we had a site inspection by our insurance company. I was asked
if all the forklift operators were certified. That was the end of my
forklift driving career.

Interesting. I have never heard of that. Most of the operators I know
around here are Latino and barely speak english. They seem to be very
good with the machines tho. I did have an Anglo guy digging my septic
field but he was a school teacher who moonlighted as an operator using
rented equipment. I am sure none of them was certified by anyone.
When I rent machines, nobody asks me anything but how I will pay and
when I want it picked up.

....

You were renting them personally. When I worked in a factory 35 years ago, I had to be certified to drive the forklifts. No big deal. Watch a funny little movie and take a written test. All company time and payed for too

I guess I am just old and from a time when lawyers did not run the
world. In Illinois, I am surprised you did not need an Operating
Engineer's card. ;-)

On 10/4/2017 1:45 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:11:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 12:23 PM, Bill wrote:

At 12 years old I drove a forklift. No big whoops. When I worked in a
pallet mill when 16-17 we all,drove forklifts. Did not require a forklift
license then.



Heh. I used to drive the two forklifts my business had sometimes. The
shop crew used to get a kick out of me buzzing around on them. Then,
one day, we had a site inspection by our insurance company. I was asked
if all the forklift operators were certified. That was the end of my
forklift driving career.

Interesting. I have never heard of that. Most of the operators I know
around here are Latino and barely speak english. They seem to be very
good with the machines tho. I did have an Anglo guy digging my septic
field but he was a school teacher who moonlighted as an operator using
rented equipment. I am sure none of them was certified by anyone.
When I rent machines, nobody asks me anything but how I will pay and
when I want it picked up.




There are a few reasons that forklift (and other hoisting equipment)
operators must be certified if you have an incorporated business in MA.

First: MA General Laws require it if your facility has visitors as mine
did. If no visitors are allowed, you can apply for a partial wavier on
some equipment.

Second: Insurance companies that underwrite your policies and employee
disability contributions require it.

Doesn't mean non-certified people don't sometimes operate a forklift but
if something should happen and there is an accident, you can probably
count on a visit from OSHA.

On 10/4/2017 2:47 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 11:04:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

12:45
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:11:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 12:23 PM, Bill wrote:

At 12 years old I drove a forklift. No big whoops. When I worked in a
pallet mill when 16-17 we all,drove forklifts. Did not require a forklift
license then.



Heh. I used to drive the two forklifts my business had sometimes. The
shop crew used to get a kick out of me buzzing around on them. Then,
one day, we had a site inspection by our insurance company. I was asked
if all the forklift operators were certified. That was the end of my
forklift driving career.

Interesting. I have never heard of that. Most of the operators I know
around here are Latino and barely speak english. They seem to be very
good with the machines tho. I did have an Anglo guy digging my septic
field but he was a school teacher who moonlighted as an operator using
rented equipment. I am sure none of them was certified by anyone.
When I rent machines, nobody asks me anything but how I will pay and
when I want it picked up.

....

You were renting them personally. When I worked in a factory 35 years ago, I had to be certified to drive the forklifts. No big deal. Watch a funny little movie and take a written test. All company time and payed for too

I guess I am just old and from a time when lawyers did not run the
world. In Illinois, I am surprised you did not need an Operating
Engineer's card. ;-)


Like Tim pointed out, your personal use of rented equipment isn't the
same as being a business that employs people and carries insurance on them.

On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 11:10:09 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:59:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/4/17 9:45 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:07:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 8:58 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/4/17 7:31 AM, justan wrote:

The lack of distribution of medicine and supplies to remote areas
* of Puerto Rico on the shortage of ready, willing, and able union
* drivers, and Donald Trump.
I think Harold needs his head examined.


I think that if there is life after death and you come back somehow, you
ought to consider paying attention in primary and secondary school so
you can learn to read at grade level and not go through another life as
an ignorant ass.

According to the general put in charge of this aspect of the island's
recovery, there are many issues holding back distribution of goods and
services and among these are truck drivers who cannot get to the depots
and because of the lack of phone service, can't even call in.

Had you learned to read, you might know this. Apparently the naveee's
standards were so low, your lack of reading comprehension was not a
deterrent.


Yesterday you were complaining that the problem was lack of supplies and
suggested that Trump lend his 757 to help deliver them.

Now you realize that the supplies are there, but the problem has been
distributing them throughout the island.

Make up your mind, will ya?


===

Harree has no original thoughts of his own until he gets his daily
briefing on progressive liberal talking points.

He also subscribes to Emerson's belief that, "A foolish consistency is
the hobgoblin of little minds."




My belief is that despite your low-level military backgrounds, you
schlumps don't understand the concept of a fluid situation. Earlier on,
the problem was a lack of supplies. We still don't know if all the kinds
of supplies needed are now on the island. At the moment, the problem is
distribution. Tomorrow, it might be a totally different problem. D'uh.


===

Harree, you have acquired an impressive knowledge of post-disaster
logistics in an amazingly short period of time. You should take some
of those new found skills on to the next available flight to Puerto
Rico and put them to work where they are needed. Since Trump can't do
it all by himself, you and he could work together to fix this mess.

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OK, so now we've each had one slip!

On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 1:11:55 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/4/2017 12:23 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/4/17 10:02 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/4/17 9:20 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 10/4/2017 8:58 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/4/17 7:31 AM, justan wrote:

The lack of distribution of medicine and supplies to remote areas
of Puerto Rico on the shortage of ready, willing, and able union
drivers, and Donald Trump.
I think Harold needs his head examined.


I think that if there is life after death and you come back somehow, you
ought to consider paying attention in primary and secondary school so
you can learn to read at grade level and not go through another life as
an ignorant ass.

According to the general put in charge of this aspect of the island's
recovery, there are many issues holding back distribution of goods and
services and among these are truck drivers who cannot get to the depots
and because of the lack of phone service, can't even call in.

Had you learned to read, you might know this. Apparently the naveee's
standards were so low, your lack of reading comprehension was not a
deterrent.


Yesterday you were complaining that the problem was lack of supplies and
suggested that Trump lend his 757 to help deliver them.

Now you realize that the supplies are there, but the problem has been
distributing them throughout the island.

Make up your mind, will ya?


Harry thinks we should import union drivers from the mainland to
distribute the goods. Where that logic comes from, I don't
know.


Two of my summer jobs just before starting college and after my freshman
year were Teamster Union jobs. The first required me to load 40'
semi-truck trailers with crates and pallets of razor blades, shaving
cream, and other such products, and the second had me loading barrels of
beer and boxes of beer in bottles and cans onto delivery trucks. I doubt
you would have had the brains and brawn to handle either job.


You're right. I am not suited to doing grunt work.


Loading the big trailers properly was an art form. The loads were not
strapped in place, so you had to learn how to stack the big cardboard
crates properly. If the trailers weren't loaded up properly, the load
would shift and tumble and the drivers would really get ****ed. Some of
the products were loaded on the trailers on pallets. I got to drive the
towmotor from the factory floor onto the loading dock and into the
trailer. Pretty heady for an 18-year-old. What were you doing at 18?
Counting your pubic hairs?

The beer trucks were easier to load.

Almost forgot...the fringe benefits...we got a 20-minute shave break
daily at the razor blade factory...so we were asked to show up unshaven.