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On 10/4/2017 1:57 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:01:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:15:18 -0400, John H
wrote:

What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL
holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers?

That seems to be the loophole in the system. If you wanted to hide the
real transfer, you would just enter a few phony transactions.

You'd have to be a good guesser. The on-line systems checks for current
permit numbers versus names versus addresses. Sale isn't valid if
numbers don't match up.

I wonder how "secret" that list is?
In a world where just about anything has been leaked to the web, I
can't imagine it would be hard for a serious criminal to get some
valid names and numbers.
The problem is, nobody would know until a gun was recovered and
traced. That assumes someone really wants to hide a gun's provenance.
Of course if you are a criminal, you just sell the gun and don't tell
anyone. It will usually move around in the black market for a while
before it pops up again at a crime scene or ends up in Boston Harbor
with a body or two on it.

Heh. I know you love to find faults with just about any government rule
or regulation but the private sale system has been in operation here for
many years and seems to work well. You don't hear too many gun nut
issues originating out of MA.

Makes me wonder how you were able to handle being a building inspector.
All those codes, rules, regulations, etc. :-)

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On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 14:59:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 1:57 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:01:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:15:18 -0400, John H
wrote:

What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL
holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers?

That seems to be the loophole in the system. If you wanted to hide the
real transfer, you would just enter a few phony transactions.

You'd have to be a good guesser. The on-line systems checks for current
permit numbers versus names versus addresses. Sale isn't valid if
numbers don't match up.

I wonder how "secret" that list is?
In a world where just about anything has been leaked to the web, I
can't imagine it would be hard for a serious criminal to get some
valid names and numbers.
The problem is, nobody would know until a gun was recovered and
traced. That assumes someone really wants to hide a gun's provenance.
Of course if you are a criminal, you just sell the gun and don't tell
anyone. It will usually move around in the black market for a while
before it pops up again at a crime scene or ends up in Boston Harbor
with a body or two on it.

Heh. I know you love to find faults with just about any government rule
or regulation but the private sale system has been in operation here for
many years and seems to work well. You don't hear too many gun nut
issues originating out of MA.

Makes me wonder how you were able to handle being a building inspector.
All those codes, rules, regulations, etc. :-)

Bad example
They are enforceable rules but only if the person on the other end was
licensed and had a permit. If they chose to work without a license or
not have a permit, there was little I could do.

Actually in my job, the person doing the work was a government
employee most of the time so there was really nothing I could do but
try to talk them into doing the right thing. They could just say ****
you, never call me back for the reinspection and nothing bad happened
to them.

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