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Hillary is wasting no time!
On 10/4/2017 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:15:18 -0400, John H wrote: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 20:31:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/3/2017 8:13 PM, wrote: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 17:09:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/3/2017 12:14 PM, wrote: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:34:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I agree but if a universal background check system could stop even *one* of these events from happening, it would be worth it. A background check is really not an inconvenience. It is certainly not a problem for people at a dealer in the city but a rancher in Montana might disagree if he just wants to give his son an old gun. I could accept and understand exceptions for in-family "gifts". How about selling it to your neighbor? Nope. I don't know how it works in other states but here in MA a background check is done when you apply for a permit. Once issued, it is good for six years after which you apply for a renewal and a check is done again. During the time you hold the permit a quick state check (via phone or computer) is done by the FFL dealer whenever you purchase a firearm to ensure the permit is still in good standing and has not been revoked for any reason. Private sales may be made to other MA residents by going on-line, providing both his and your permit numbers, the firearm type and serial number and current addresses. If no issues, you are done and the sale is legal. What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers? That seems to be the loophole in the system. If you wanted to hide the real transfer, you would just enter a few phony transactions. You'd have to be a good guesser. The on-line systems checks for current permit numbers versus names versus addresses. Sale isn't valid if numbers don't match up. When I moved I was required to send (by state law and by certified mail) change of address forms to: 1. The police department in which the permit was issued. 2. The police department in the town I moved to. 3. The State of Massachusetts (some department that I've forgotten). When I renew my permit it will be in the town to which I moved. |
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#3
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Hillary is wasting no time!
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:01:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 10/4/2017 11:36 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:15:18 -0400, John H wrote: What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers? That seems to be the loophole in the system. If you wanted to hide the real transfer, you would just enter a few phony transactions. You'd have to be a good guesser. The on-line systems checks for current permit numbers versus names versus addresses. Sale isn't valid if numbers don't match up. I wonder how "secret" that list is? In a world where just about anything has been leaked to the web, I can't imagine it would be hard for a serious criminal to get some valid names and numbers. The problem is, nobody would know until a gun was recovered and traced. That assumes someone really wants to hide a gun's provenance. Of course if you are a criminal, you just sell the gun and don't tell anyone. It will usually move around in the black market for a while before it pops up again at a crime scene or ends up in Boston Harbor with a body or two on it. |
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Hillary is wasting no time!
On 10/4/2017 1:57 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:01:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/4/2017 11:36 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:15:18 -0400, John H wrote: What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers? That seems to be the loophole in the system. If you wanted to hide the real transfer, you would just enter a few phony transactions. You'd have to be a good guesser. The on-line systems checks for current permit numbers versus names versus addresses. Sale isn't valid if numbers don't match up. I wonder how "secret" that list is? In a world where just about anything has been leaked to the web, I can't imagine it would be hard for a serious criminal to get some valid names and numbers. The problem is, nobody would know until a gun was recovered and traced. That assumes someone really wants to hide a gun's provenance. Of course if you are a criminal, you just sell the gun and don't tell anyone. It will usually move around in the black market for a while before it pops up again at a crime scene or ends up in Boston Harbor with a body or two on it. Heh. I know you love to find faults with just about any government rule or regulation but the private sale system has been in operation here for many years and seems to work well. You don't hear too many gun nut issues originating out of MA. Makes me wonder how you were able to handle being a building inspector. All those codes, rules, regulations, etc. :-) |
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#5
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Hillary is wasting no time!
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 14:59:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 10/4/2017 1:57 PM, wrote: On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:01:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/4/2017 11:36 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:15:18 -0400, John H wrote: What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers? That seems to be the loophole in the system. If you wanted to hide the real transfer, you would just enter a few phony transactions. You'd have to be a good guesser. The on-line systems checks for current permit numbers versus names versus addresses. Sale isn't valid if numbers don't match up. I wonder how "secret" that list is? In a world where just about anything has been leaked to the web, I can't imagine it would be hard for a serious criminal to get some valid names and numbers. The problem is, nobody would know until a gun was recovered and traced. That assumes someone really wants to hide a gun's provenance. Of course if you are a criminal, you just sell the gun and don't tell anyone. It will usually move around in the black market for a while before it pops up again at a crime scene or ends up in Boston Harbor with a body or two on it. Heh. I know you love to find faults with just about any government rule or regulation but the private sale system has been in operation here for many years and seems to work well. You don't hear too many gun nut issues originating out of MA. Makes me wonder how you were able to handle being a building inspector. All those codes, rules, regulations, etc. :-) Bad example They are enforceable rules but only if the person on the other end was licensed and had a permit. If they chose to work without a license or not have a permit, there was little I could do. Actually in my job, the person doing the work was a government employee most of the time so there was really nothing I could do but try to talk them into doing the right thing. They could just say **** you, never call me back for the reinspection and nothing bad happened to them. |
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#6
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Hillary is wasting no time!
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:01:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 10/4/2017 11:36 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:15:18 -0400, John H wrote: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 20:31:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/3/2017 8:13 PM, wrote: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 17:09:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/3/2017 12:14 PM, wrote: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:34:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I agree but if a universal background check system could stop even *one* of these events from happening, it would be worth it. A background check is really not an inconvenience. It is certainly not a problem for people at a dealer in the city but a rancher in Montana might disagree if he just wants to give his son an old gun. I could accept and understand exceptions for in-family "gifts". How about selling it to your neighbor? Nope. I don't know how it works in other states but here in MA a background check is done when you apply for a permit. Once issued, it is good for six years after which you apply for a renewal and a check is done again. During the time you hold the permit a quick state check (via phone or computer) is done by the FFL dealer whenever you purchase a firearm to ensure the permit is still in good standing and has not been revoked for any reason. Private sales may be made to other MA residents by going on-line, providing both his and your permit numbers, the firearm type and serial number and current addresses. If no issues, you are done and the sale is legal. What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers? That seems to be the loophole in the system. If you wanted to hide the real transfer, you would just enter a few phony transactions. You'd have to be a good guesser. The on-line systems checks for current permit numbers versus names versus addresses. Sale isn't valid if numbers don't match up. When I moved I was required to send (by state law and by certified mail) change of address forms to: 1. The police department in which the permit was issued. 2. The police department in the town I moved to. 3. The State of Massachusetts (some department that I've forgotten). When I renew my permit it will be in the town to which I moved. This is simply a permit to own a gun? Can anyone get such a permit, or is it restricted to those with a 'special' need? |
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Hillary is wasting no time!
On 10/4/2017 3:34 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:01:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/4/2017 11:36 AM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:15:18 -0400, John H wrote: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 20:31:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/3/2017 8:13 PM, wrote: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 17:09:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/3/2017 12:14 PM, wrote: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:34:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I agree but if a universal background check system could stop even *one* of these events from happening, it would be worth it. A background check is really not an inconvenience. It is certainly not a problem for people at a dealer in the city but a rancher in Montana might disagree if he just wants to give his son an old gun. I could accept and understand exceptions for in-family "gifts". How about selling it to your neighbor? Nope. I don't know how it works in other states but here in MA a background check is done when you apply for a permit. Once issued, it is good for six years after which you apply for a renewal and a check is done again. During the time you hold the permit a quick state check (via phone or computer) is done by the FFL dealer whenever you purchase a firearm to ensure the permit is still in good standing and has not been revoked for any reason. Private sales may be made to other MA residents by going on-line, providing both his and your permit numbers, the firearm type and serial number and current addresses. If no issues, you are done and the sale is legal. What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers? That seems to be the loophole in the system. If you wanted to hide the real transfer, you would just enter a few phony transactions. You'd have to be a good guesser. The on-line systems checks for current permit numbers versus names versus addresses. Sale isn't valid if numbers don't match up. When I moved I was required to send (by state law and by certified mail) change of address forms to: 1. The police department in which the permit was issued. 2. The police department in the town I moved to. 3. The State of Massachusetts (some department that I've forgotten). When I renew my permit it will be in the town to which I moved. This is simply a permit to own a gun? Can anyone get such a permit, or is it restricted to those with a 'special' need? It's not special but it's up to the town or city police chief as to what type of permit you can get. He can also impose restrictions on it if he is so inclined. That's the "may" issue part. For rifles and shotguns MA is a "shall" issue state, assuming no issues with a background check. I have the Class A with no restrictions. I can carry concealed and, as I've mentioned before, am permitted to own just about any firearm made and large capacity magazines. Only exception is a sub-machine gun. However, as previously mentioned, it doesn't mean anything because you can't buy many guns or magazines over 10 round capacity anyway here. For many years it was almost impossible for the average Joe to get a gun permit in most of MA but people started suing towns, citing 2nd Amendment rights and the towns started allowing permits to be issued more freely. Still have to pass an FBI background check though. |
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